Maui X-Stream Tries Again With 'Zentu'

oil-can writes "The guys behind CherryOS announced Zentu Encoder today, saying Zentu is the the third generation of their VX30 codec. DrunkenBlog warns about the product with references to their history." Zentu is an encoding platform that boasts the ability to export video in a quick efficient way to either a Flash or Java based system with an interface for both inexperienced and power users.

Comments

let the hunt begin!

[Janek Kozicki]

firs /. reader that finds an OSS project that is doing the same, gets the prize! (remember to check freshmeat, sourceforge, berlios, alioth and tigris).

Re:let the hunt begin!

[gcnaddict]

Google's listing of its Summer of Code winners might also be a good place to look

Re:let the hunt begin!

[Anonymous Coward]

for i in $(seq 500); do ( curl http://www.vx30.com/flash/vault.swf > /dev/null 2>&1 /dev/null ) & echo $i ; done

Everyone please evaluate it!

Re:let the hunt begin!

[captnbmoore]

here you go http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/

Re:let the hunt begin!

[chill]

XVidcap doesn't encode to Flash or Java, but to MPEG-1. The VX30 stuff looks like MPEG-4, and is a lot better quality. Flash is also easier to embed in an e-mail or web page.

Strike one.

  -Charles

Re:let the hunt begin!

[captnbmoore]

you should check the configuration of xvidcap again buddy.

Re:let the hunt begin!

[chill]

I did, and it wasn't there.

It WAS, however, on the FFMPEG website. I just had to dig.

Thanks.

  -Charles

Re:let the hunt begin!

[dan_bethe]

Hi. I'm not claiming that this project has any relation to the organization mentioned in the article, but it is a functionally similar set of free software that is backed by a company. According to the site, it's a "Playerless streaming applet for Ogg formats".

Damn.

[HitByASquirrel]

And I was in Lahaina just a couple months ago, i could have gone and slapped some sense into these nimrods.

Re:Damn.

[Ken Broadfoot]

I am in Lahaina now...

What needs doing?

--ken

Re:Damn.

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF are you doing on /. while in Lahaina? Oh wait, there's nothing to do in Maui... Nevermind.

Re:Damn.

[EvilMonkeySlayer]

What needs doing?

You must find the Jade Monkey before the next full moon...

Re:Damn.

[HitByASquirrel]

The Maui X-Stream jerks are a stone's throw from Front St.: http://www.vx30.com/pages.php?cid=MDE0

They're in need of a good beating.

Re:Damn.

[Anonymous Coward]

lp lp lp d+lk f-qcf+p qcf+p

Oh, sorry, you're not that Ken.

Re:Damn.

[Ken Broadfoot]

Pretty right on....

Why do you live here?

resident: Why would you live ANYWHERE else?

Have you ever been anywhere else?

resident: Uh.... no.

--ken

Re:Damn.

[thc69]

I just came from Maui. I was there for 9 days. I have been elsewhere. I wanna go back!

There's enough non-tourism stuff for me to do there. The only thing missing is italian food -- there's loads of italian joints, but they're all too fancy-schmancy and none have cheese ravioli. Longhi's has huge manicotti which are good, but very expensive, and the sauce leaves something to be desired (namely, it's missing...sauce! It's just damned chunks of tomato.)

Maybe those jerks have an opening for an out-of-practice help desk guy who's got a basic education in java and c++...

Article text

[Anonymous Coward]

Evil is as Zentu probably does
November 02, 2005

Apparently Maui X-Stream is hyping their new product, The Zentu Platform, which is billed as the third generation of their VX30 Codec and a video encoding tool for streaming media. Riiiiight.

They've got a press release and everything.

*bangs head against desk* You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried, and I have a feeling when someone takes the time to deconstruct Ventu they'll find interesting things. For newer readers who don't understand why I'm mixing brandy with the coffee before noon after seeing this, the company behind Ventu has an.. interesting... history when it comes to their video encoders and other products.

The following links should be enough to get you up to speed, especially if you go in reverse chronology.

        * MXS and CherryOS archives, where you'll want to start with The Pits in CherryOS.

And then the ones on VX30, which are more directly applicable to Zentu:

        * MXS and VX30 archives, where you'll want to start with Deconstructing Maui X-Stream.

The stuff Jim Kartes and Arben Kryeziu pull makes my soul hurt, and it's made worse by the fact that I'm not supposed to talk much about them while some legal things still unravel.Thank god for Yano, who is the only IP lawyer I'm aware of running around in a Cow shirt on weekends.
yummy alcohol posted button posted by drunkenbatman at: 12:02 PM

Thanks for the warning

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't make a move until I get an official stance from drunkenblog.

Re:Thanks for the warning

[IAmTheDave]

He already did start banging his head against the desk... but some legal actions in progress are keeping him from delving too deep into this new product and its shady owners.

Too bad, he sure knows how to whip them doods.

Re:Thanks for the warning

[Anonymous Coward]

You do know that your link was already in the summary, and that the gp was being sarcastic, right?

Not This Again

[HatofPig]

Uh oh... this sounds like MXS rehashed, and we all know how much that ripped off tons of GPL code, including VLC, Media Player Classic, and LAME. Why haven't these guys been sued into the ground yet?

Re:Not This Again

[Anonymous Coward]

still working on that.

Re:Not This Again

[HatofPig]

...sounds like MXS rehashed...

Meant to say VX30, and it's the SAME THING. Jeeze... there are half a dozen different GPL projects being ripped off here; I wonder how many companies have bought this software? Has anyone told Geico about this?

Re:Not This Again

[Krach42]

Apparently, if you buy a product that used illegally obtained software you're potentially liable. This is the same reason why all those companies started saying we'll cover you if SCO actually does prove that Linux had code improperly put in there.

I think it would be interesting if the copyright holders of the GPL projects in the VX30 software contacted Geico and let them know about their liabilities...

Re:Not This Again

[cbr2702]

While it would be nice to make the VX30 people play nice, I think the way to do it is by suing them directly. Suing Geico would probably just make people more wary of open source software.

Re:Not This Again

[Krach42]

The intention is to use legal basis to let their customers know that they're using software under the wrong license.

Probably a better idea would be to explain to them how they can do exactly what they got from MXS, but legally and respecting the GPL. Then let them know that they can avoid any legal repercussions by using the software legally, rather than paying a company to steal.

I think most companies if hit with the information that what they were sold is actually free, and the only thing that the people who originally wrote it is just to respect their license, use it legally, and *gasp* free (as in beer) that most companies would opt for that, especially if it had them avoid any legal details.

Basically something like, "Just to let you know, we're suing the Maui X-Stream due to their illegal inclusion of our GPL software without our permission. If we are successful, then this suit may place you in a legally vulnerable position, because you're using software that was not properly licensed, and MXS has been offering no amnesty for their users. If you want to avoid this potentially damaging situation, we can provide you free information about how to provide the exact same service you were getting from MXS, but in compliance with copyrights, and without further cost to you."

What are the choices?

[phpm0nkey]

If we're arguing that MXS didn't write the VX30 codec, but rather lifted it from an open-source project, the first step is figuring out the orgin. How many mature, open-source codecs are out there? XviD is the only one that comes to mind...

Re:What are the choices?

[Krach42]

If we're arguing that MXS didn't write the VX30 codec, but rather lifted it from an open-source project, the first step is figuring out the orgin. How many mature, open-source codecs are out there? XviD is the only one that comes to mind...

Wow, you got it in the first try. Of course, they put a bunch of other projects into it as well, but XviD is the biggest one.

Re:What are the choices?

[LiquidCoooled]

They aren't saying they wrote the codec.

They are saying that their new program uses FFMpeg as the encoder, their software appears to be nothing more than a shell script.

http://www.vx30.com/pages.php?cid=MDEwMTgxMTgyMTk4

Re:What are the choices?

[molnarcs]

"How many mature, open-source codecs are out there? XviD is the only one that comes to mind..."

ffmpeg is as mature as xvid, and is actively developed (xvid is not). Of course ffmpeg is not just mpeg4 like xvid, but its mpeg4 encoding is as good if not better as xvid in quality (and its performance is definitely much better).

Although it's not related, but if you want good quality h.264 codec, you have that area covered as well with an open source implementation: x264. Which is better than most other proprietary implementations, including APPLE's (the only exception is NERO-AVC, which might be ahead of x264, but not by much).

The most popular encoding algorhytms (mpeg4, h.264, mp3) are ISO standards. They have both proprietary and open source implementations, and the open source implementations win in almost all instances - or at least the most important one: mpeg4. So, one can easily reverse your question: how many mature, proprietary codecs are out there? :)) Nero-AVC, yes (for h.264), but mpeg4? DivX was a joke till 6.x, which was only good because it caught up with its open source competitors (xvid, ffmpeg).

Re:What are the choices?

[Krach42]

... their software appears to be nothing more than a shell script.

This generally describes all of the software that they've released. Only they illegally redistribute binaries of GPL projects also.

Re:What are the choices?

[molnarcs]

They have no idea what they are talking about actually:

"The Flash Video files created by the Zentu encoder use the open source library FFMPEG which is a derivative of MPEG 4." ffmpeg is not a derivative of mpeg4. mpeg4 is an iso standard, with various open source (xvid, ffmpeg) and closed source (divx above 4.x) implementations. Incidentally, ffmpeg also supports sorenson v3 codec, (from the mplayer documentation, from ~ 6 months ago ):

"The most recent codec deserving credit is the Sorenson 3 (SVQ3) codec. This is the first, completely opensource implementation. It's even faster than the original. Be sure to prefer this instead of the binary codec!"

Re:What are the choices?

[Holi]

I thought FFMpeg wasn't a codec but a compilation of programs to encode audio and video.

Re:What are the choices?

[molnarcs]

I thought FFMpeg wasn't a codec but a compilation of programs to encode audio and video.

Indeed. I should have said ffmpeg's mpeg4 codec - because it isn't a compilation in the sense codec-packs are. Every encoding algorithm they support is developed by them (and they support a lot!).

Also, it seems to be that whatever they are doing this time is legit - for a change.

Re:What are the choices?

[kabz]

Yeah, and ffmpeg is pretty much the foundation of many or most multimedia on Linux. Take a look at the source-code sometime, it's pretty damn cool.

ffmpeg is the work of a guy called Fabrice Bellard, and probably many people who've tweaked, helped and tested.

Re:What are the choices?

[molnarcs]

Unfortunately, I can't read source code (yet - I'm learning programming in small steps, php/python as of now, otherwise, I study literature/culture - and incidentally, doing my dissertation on gift economy :))

Sorenson this time, not MPEG4

[inio]

If it supports flash, the new "product" is Sorenson-based (v3 I think, maybe v4) instead MPEG4 like last time.

Re:Sorenson this time, not MPEG4

[stunt_penguin]

Yup Flash video was Sorenson 3, but has recently moved onto H.264 since the development of Flash 8, with support for Alpha channels etc. Seems these boys are a version behind. Too bad...

Re:Sorenson this time, not MPEG4

[RzUpAnmsCwrds]

Wrong wrong wrong:

http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/08/quest-for-new-vi deo-codec-in-flash-8.html

Macromedia chose On2's VP6 codec (On2 is the company that donated VP3 to the OSS community - it's now known as Theora) because of patent and other considerations.

Re:Sorenson this time, not MPEG4

[stunt_penguin]

Uh? oh damn, I definitely read that they are using H.264 somewhere, but that may have near the start of the year :o( Sorry!

Seems to be clear infringement...

[Chromatic Aberration]

Looking deeper into the linked article, there is some really very good evidence elsewhere on the site. http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0534.html is a total dissection of the first few generations of this "Vx30" codec and suite -- which appears to be a direct lift of Xvid, mpg123, lame, and mplayer classic code, as well as code from the JPEG group and others.

Re:Seems to be clear infringement...

[Krach42]

Well, I got fed up with them on the whole CherryOS deal. The only reason I think they dropped that one is that the PearPC community was pushing so hard against them. They decided it were better for them to just drop the project than deal with us.

Now with the software gone, and refunds offered to all who bought it (the whole maybe 2 people) there's almost no argument for any damages that could be received, and there's no active infringement.

Which sucks, because we could have hung these guys outright with CherryOS.

a look at the evidence

[Anonymous Coward]

Read this for a detailed account of the evidence of *ahem* borrowing from open source code projects by the VX30 project:

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0534.html

All I can say is I have a very strong opinion about the company and the people running it, take a look and decide for yourselves, their actions speak louder than words.

Geez, you steal ONE little OSS project

[Guysmiley777]

Ok, or maybe a few. But hey, they were FREE! There was no harm done right?

What a bunch of clowns. I wonder if their mission statement with MXS was "Wait for this to blow over, then rename it and try to cash in."?

Re:Geez, you steal ONE little OSS project

[Anonymous Coward]

They are free as in freedom.
Go read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-fr eedom.html and learn, kid.

Re:Geez, you steal ONE little OSS project

[Krach42]

It's sarcasm.
Go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm and learn, kid.

Maui's coding checklist:

[davidwr]

1) Did we pick a good product to steal? Check.
2) Did we remember to obscufy the code so nobody can tell we stole it? Better double-check that.
3) Did we change our name so nobody would suspect us? DOH! BUSTED.

Oh well there goes
4) PROFIT!

Re:Just Another EULA

[Krach42]

So, they appear to be following the Microsoft/Sony/RealPlayer business model.

No no no... these companies don't usually steal GPL software, make few changes to it, then release it as their own under a different brand name.

If they do anything, they steal ideas, and write their own, not just rip off Free source code.

why did nobody sue them yet?

[RelliK]

This is ridiculous. They just keep on with blatant copyright infringement like nothing happened. When will someone put a stop to that?

Re:why did nobody sue them yet?

[Krach42]

When will someone put a stop to that?

The PearPC community was well on its way towards accomplishing this, but then when they finally realized that they were going to lose, they ditched everything. With no ongoing and active infringement, it's very very difficult to move forward with anything at all.

Hmm...

[tktk]

Seems like looking for GPL code the new scavenger hunt.

Re:Hmm...

[Krach42]

It's not a scavenger hunt if it's always in the same place.

Saying that you're having a scavenger hunt for GPL software in MXS code is like saying that there's a scavenger hunt for drunks at a bar.

VX sounds scary

[Work Account]

I can't imagine using anything called VX to encode cute videos of my blonde hair blue eyed daughter's 2nd birthday party!

(Joke Hint: 1st search result for VX)

They admit to it!

[inio]

Check this page:

http://www.vx30.com/pages.php?cid=MDEwMTgxMTgyMTk4

Zentu Flash Video Compression

The Flash Video files created by the Zentu encoder use the open source library FFMPEG which is a derivative of MPEG 4 . Use of the FFMPEG is governed by the LGPL who license can be viewed in full here. Our MPEG 4 Patent License is filed with MPEGLA.

Why FFMPEG?

We've found that FFMPEG is one of the most high quality MPEG 4 codecs in the world. The quality of the Flash Video that Zentu creates with FFMPEG is absolutely stellar!! Please visit our Flash Video Showcase to check out the amazing quality of our samples.

How do we use FFMPEG?

As described by the LGPL Zentu is a "work that uses the Library". Which means that Zentu for Flash has accessors that use the FFMPEG "library" but is not itself a derivative of that library. Furthermore the FFMPEG library was not modified in any way to work with Zentu nor is it compiled as part of the Zentu executable.

Re:They admit to it!

[fishybell]

I think you hit the nail on the head

Now that they openly say how they use an opensource product in an, as far as I can tell, legitimate way, what's there to beef about? Do we still need to screem and holler and hoot?

This vaguely reminds me of when linksys was using GPL'ed software on their routers and not releasing the source. Everything just blew over once they started using the GPL correctly.

From what I can tell, Zentu isn't so much about a propriety codec as it is about a transcoding solution for easier deployment. They happen to use FFMPEG for the gruntwork, but if the rest is legitimately their code, no harm no foul.

Re:They admit to it!

[Krach42]

In the LGPL, they have to allow you to update the library to a newer version. This means either you dynamically link into the library, or you provide the object code necessary to rebuild your application if it's statically compiled.

There was already an LGPL library in use in VX30, and they have still yet to comply with the conditions and terms of even the LGPL on that product.

Re:They admit to it!

[LiquidCoooled]

I just found this as well.

Their software appears to be nothing more than a shell script, which doesn't really require a whole lot of code to operate.

The guts and encoding are performed by the FFMpeg library and they get the glory.

On the FFMPEG licensing page the following notes are made:

Q: Bottom line: Should I be worried about legal issues if I use FFmpeg?
A: Are you a private user working with FFmpeg for your own personal purposes? If so, there is remarkably little reason to be concered. Are you using FFmpeg in a commercial software product? Read on to the next question...

Q: Since FFmpeg is licensed under the LGPL, is it perfectly all right to incorporate the whole FFmpeg core into my own commercial product?
A: You might have a problem here. Sure the LGPL allows you to incorporate the code. However, there have been cases where companies have used FFmpeg in their projects, usually for such capabilities as superior MPEG-4 decoding. These companies found out that once you start trying to make money from certain technologies, the alleged owners of the technologies will come after their dues. Most notably, MPEG-LA (licensing authority) is vigilant and diligent about collecting for MPEG-related technologies.

Now, on the vx30 page, they also mention that: Our MPEG 4 Patent License is filed with MPEGLA.

I would say in this case they aren't doing anything wrong (providing they are actually licensed).

Re:They admit to it!

[fishybell]

I can't confirm this, but apparently they dynamically link:

Furthermore the FFMPEG library was not modified in any way to work with Zentu nor is it compiled as part of the Zentu executable

I'm not defending their previous actions in any way, but I find this to be the kind of this that the LGPL was designed for; use it, but don't abuse it. In addition, they claim to have licensed the MPEG 4 patent.

Re:They admit to it!

[Anonymous Coward]

From what I can tell, Zentu isn't so much about a propriety codec as it is about a transcoding solution for easier deployment. They happen to use FFMPEG for the gruntwork, but if the rest is legitimately their code, no harm no foul.

It makes no sense.

1. In the press release they claim it is the third generation of their codec but in the past statements they said to the press they had no OSS code around at all it was a custom developed video codec, proprietary.

2. That is just one part of the functions they say their software does

They will say what they need to do squirm the edges of believability

Re:They admit to it!

[Anonymous Coward]

Do they support AC3 audio? If they do it looks like they might have a problem.
http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/faq.html#TOC9

Re:They admit to it!

[Krach42]

I'd be particularly amazed if they were doing everything properly. But I gotta admit, at least it looks like they're trying to respect the LGPL this time, rather than just running all over our IP rights.

Strange

[WindBourne]

So many are trying to prove OSS as un-innovative, and yet, so many steal so much from it.

Another questionable practice

[Lord Byron II]

Looking at their press release, the first line reads in part "Maui X-Stream (MXS)". Usually, the abbreviation is the company's stocks' ticker symbol. But I did a quick search and found that Maui X-Stream is not publically traded. It looks like they are trying to create the impression of being a real, publically traded corporation, without all the trouble of an SEC filing.

Re:Another questionable practice

[Anonymous Coward]

First, Apple was sued by Eminem for an ad that used one of his songs without permission. Then in May of this year, they settled for an undisclosed sum. Now, Apple's latest Eminem ad has been found to be strikingly similar to an ad that Lugz did for its shoes, resulting in a cease-and-desist order on Friday.

Steal it back

[SoSueMe]

Since they are probably lifting OS code, whay not just start an OSS project on sourceforge that does the same thing and publicize it?
You know, "This software package does everything that "Zentu" can, at no cost!.
Threats of lawsuits don't matter to these guys, but like any parasite if you cut off its life-blood it dies.

Just take any open source code they use and combine it, while respecting the licenses, and release it for free.

Because they're doing the suing

[doublem]

I read a good hunk of the article, and these jokers are throwing around cease and desist orders like beads at mardi gras.

Re:Because they're doing the suing

[Anonymous Coward]

They're doing the suing....

While your wife is doing the mooing.

Re:Because they're doing the suing

[Anonymous Coward]

You ever see a shrink about your obsessive tendencies?

Why the free advertising?

[paraguaey]

We know those guys are crooks, why the hell are we helping getting them known?

This, and the GUBA story earlier, makes me wonder about ./.

How much to run an ad as a "story"?

DAMN IT!!!!!!!

[zentu]

/rant

I have been using this nick name for over 10 years, and NOW some retarted company is using it... I made this entire nickname up while on the john. I was planning on buying zentu.com, but WHENEVER I had the money to buy the domain some marketing group had it, and being a poor college student doesn't allow me to pay $300+ to register it.

I am pissed off now. First this stupid company trys to repackage OSS products to profit, and now they steal my damn nickname.

/end rant

Re:DAMN IT!!!!!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope that was a sarcastic 'retarted'? like saying 'teh ghey'? cos you know it's not spelt like that right?

What the *hell* is with everyone thinking it's spelt 'retarted'? It's never been spelt 'retarted'. Unless you're referring to a woman who was previously a bit of a tart, but reformed her ways, and then relapsed, in which case it would be an appropriate spelling.

Re:DAMN IT!!!!!!!

[ZenII]

I am pissed off now. First this stupid company trys to repackage OSS products to profit, and now they steal my damn nickname. Be a little more creative and a little less whiney - Zen2, ZenTwo, ZenToo are still available.

Re:DAMN IT!!!!!!!

[ta ma de]

That sucks. I keep hoping someone steals my slash-dot nickname -- ta ma de. I doubt anyone will cause it sounds stupid. However it would be funny to see some company go to market with "ta ma de" not knowing that it is slang in Taiwan for "Oh, Shit"

mpegla m4v licensees

[ubercow]

look at #133 http://www.mpegla.com/m4v/m4v-licensees.cfm

I have to ask...

[Ndkchk]

Do they really say that they're the guys behind CherryOS? Hay guyz we maybe did took something from that OrangePC project... and guess what, now we're starting something else. Remember, from the guys behind CherryOS means it's really good stuff we're doing. You can trust us. Really.

Re:I have to ask...

[krazykit]

OrangePC? Do you mean PearPC, perhaps?

Re:I have to ask...

[psyon1]

WHOOOOSH!

I believe he meant that as a quote from a not so bright person at MXS.

OT: Cheap Italian Food, Kihei

[cmholm]

For cheese ravioli at a normal price, you shoulda/woulda/coulda hit Aroma d' Italia, on S. Kihei Rd next to Foodland... in Kihei, in case that wasn't obvious.

they ripped off guliverkli project for a start...

[fitteschleiker]

http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1 272272&forum_id=462894

media player classic et al....

pot, kettle

[sangdrax]

And libraries like FFmpeg infringe on a zillion patents themselves, making it illegal to use them in the first place (yes, even for personal use). But now that Maui possibly tries to use FFmpeg illegally.. that is somehow different and more unfair?

I'm no fan of Maui, but this does smell like a pot/kettle type of situation.

Re:pot, kettle

[molnarcs]

As of now, illegal patents here in Europe (ffmpeg is hosted on mplayer's servers btw).

Patents (concerning abstract ideas, algorythms, etc.) are unfair. Stealing other people's is also unfair. So this is not a pot/kettle situation.

Mod Parent Up

[Anonymous Coward]

+1 Informative

Re:Just Another EULA

[queenb**ch]

(start sarcasm) None of the companies mentioned have a history of ripping anyone off and then not paying them.(end sarcasm)

Microsoft ripped of Lotus Notes to become Excel.

Sony has long been known for cheating musicians.

RealPlayer has been sued repeatedly and successfully by consumer groups for dubious business practices.

I stand by my original comment.

2 cents,

Queen B

MauiX 30

[thinasair]

MauiX will most likely never make anything that is there own software. Here are some links this one is the pakistani offshoring company that produced Cherryos, VX30 and ZENTU for MAUIX http://www.elance.com/c/fp/main/viewportfolio.pl?a ction=listportfolio&view_person=comsdev&catid=1021 6 Here is that companies website COMSDEV http://www.comsdev.com.pk/portfolio.html This is someone that worked for COMSDEV http://216.92.122.128/projects/10909.html BilalNiaz Scroll down that site to find his name and credits. 7. Zentu ( Video Messenger Application ) 10. www.vx30.com 1. Poingo PDF Writer/Printer Although the poingo one after going around in a circle finally released that as open source. Poingo did not have a clue what was inside of their app. So thumbs up for poingo but thumbs down for COMSDEV As far as mauix The zentu is just a modified VX30 a different interface unless you choose EXPERT MODE then you see the VX30 dialogs. Which Zentu has almost all of the same things inside as vx30 because it is vx30 in disguise. Things like this \Work\Projects\Zentu Encoder 1.0\Vx30 2.x\src\Flash\libavformat\avformat_utils.c ffmpeg: LAME compiled with buggy version of gcc using advanced optimizations LAME3.96 Even dialogs have same mispellings as vx30s. The same stuff different name.

Re:MauiX 30 Other things

[thinasair]

More stuff to wonder about.
Unknown Theora config packet: %d
ffmpeg: cyuv: got a buffer with %d bytes when %d were expected
VN:libavcodec
cool a new vlc code ,contact the ffmpeg developers and upload the file

There is more in the Executable. If ffmeg is not part of the EXE
why is this in there? Not to mention VN:libavcodec and others