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Novell to Release 20% of Their Employees?

sicariusdracus writes to tell us that Ron Hovsepian, the new president and COO of Novell may have his hands full in the near future. Ron has been tasked with getting the troubled business back on track which many have speculated could result in more than 20% of the 5,800 man workforce getting a pink slip (although Hovsepian suggests that may be an over exaggeration). Part of the restructuring will be announced with Novell's fourth-quarter financial results.

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  1. Act I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Smithers: Mr. Hovsepian there's some solicitors at your door to see you.
    Hovsepian: Release the employees.

  2. released by specialkp · · Score: 5, Funny

    I sure hope they're released under the GPL... It's good to see companies like this releasing human resources though. I'm going to download some today! Anyone got a torrent?

  3. 600 people to be laid off by Marcus+Meissner · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pretty old news, it will be around 10% or 600 jobs
    Ciao, Marcus

  4. release... oh good, finally released... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute, are you saying we're FIRED?

    I have such a hard time with this Newspeak.

    1. Re:release... oh good, finally released... by idlake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actuall, we programmers try to think of it as "allocation", "freeing", and "releasing". So, no, they haven't been "fired", they have been "freed".

    2. Re:release... oh good, finally released... by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suppose it beats working at Sun and getting "garbage collected"...

  5. Mono by Tanaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lets just hope this has no effect on Mono. I'm amazed how far thay have come with the project. There are so meny sin-off projects now, it has to be taken seriously.

  6. help me out here... by CDPatten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All joking aside, who uses them anymore? Is their business all legacy support?

    Do any of you guys use them? I guess I ask because I'm surprised they are still in business.

    I hanve't seen a novell system in many years, and never hear about copanies doing a big novell roll-out.

    1. Re:help me out here... by CoolCash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Our company does, we have 23 severs running Netware and GroupWise, in our company. They are great file and print servers with great directory services. We only have three employees managing all the servers and all helpdesk calls for 350 people.

    2. Re:help me out here... by deanoaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      They are still big among enterprises that value reliability and ease of use for large directories. I work in local goverment and it is our central store of identity and authentication for 12,000 users, as well as distributing applications and hosting files. Netware 6.5 provides great resources for Identity Management. Many goverment and educational sites use Netware, maybe because they typically don't have a lot of money for staff and need something that isn't labor intensive or prone to failure.

      We have never had server downtime because of a virus or worm.

      Novell's marketing seems to be the only weakness, the products are great.

      Their hope of the future is migrating all their existing features to run over Linux.

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    3. Re:help me out here... by Searaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you'd be surprised who uses Netware and it's services. I work for IDC, International Data Corporation. We use Netware and Suse in most of the 47 countries we have offices in. I used to work in the corporate headquarters in the US where we have Netware 5.x and 6.x file/print/services servers in all the offices. They mostly run for over a year or more between reboots. Those are usually for service packs and rarely for abends. Netware/eDirectory is very low on the scale of adminstrative burden and it allows us to manage the network and desktops for 750+ users in 7 offices across the States with only 2 full time desktop support staff and 2 admins who also take care of many other systems. Most of our sites with 10 to 50 people don't have a local admin and run quite happily. Novell's ZenWorks is phenomenal for remote application delivery, imaging, remote control and inventory for the desktop. I moved to Australia in May to bring IDC AP over to Novell services, running on the Linux kernel with OES. It's a slow process getting the entire region ready for the change. So far I have our New Zealand office migrated and the Sydney office is very soon to follow and some of our services in Australia are already on Netware. Since I got here I've had to manage two Windows domains and though I started with NT domains many years ago I feel like I've got an arm tied behind my back administering the Windows networks, services and users. Things that are so painless with Netware are either difficult or not possible with NT domains. I've been so spoiled with Netware I can't wait to be rid of the domains! Active Directory is better than NT, but from what I've seen (it's in a few of our offices over here), it's not nearly as fully featured as the far more mature Novell eDirectory product. Our current Netware sites will gradually migrates to Open Enterprise Server runnin on the SLES Linux kernel and many of our core services are running on Linux. If it wasn't for vendors who only roll out applications only for Windows machines - Patchlink, ePo, etc, we wouldn't have any Windows servers. I agree with an earlier post that Novell's marketing efforts have always been their downfall. It's too bad really, because it is such a superior product to choice of the huddled masses.

  7. Released... by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets just say they've been "open sourced". 1160 people liberated, people want to be free.

    But not me, I'm expensive.

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  8. Yesterday... by Otter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the Boston Globe yesterday: "Novell trips over its Linux strategy".

    I'd had a feeling that that story wasn't going to get posted here...

  9. So It Is True! by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Funny
    20% of the 5,800 man workforce getting a pink slip

    So it is true! There really are no women in IT!

    I kid, I kid.

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  10. Re:Stocks? by tonyr60 · · Score: 4, Funny

    SGI's are even cheaper....

  11. Support _only_ KDE and SUSE by billybob2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes $7/share is pretty tempting, but Novel's stock will only go up if they start being profitable. Novel had it coming to them when they bought Ximian, a gnome vendor that made a hodge podge of different products that are now dead (remember RedCarpet?). Novel should stick to SUSE/KDE and re-orient all its developers towards improving _only one_ application for each particular need (ie. YAST for installation/maintenance, KDE for desktop, etc).

    Novel's premier Linux distribution, SUSE, is historically based on KDE yet the individual projects that they're supporting (Beagle, Evolution) are gnome apps. I think in the long run KDE will become the de-facto standard primarily because of the tight integration among its applications and excitement in its developer and user base about KDE 4. If you don't believe me, take a look at how many more posts there are in KDE-Look than in Gnome-Look. In fact, there is KDE-Apps for independent apps built with the KDE/QT framework, while there is no such place to aggregate gnome apps.

    In conclusion, Novel should get their gnome developers to work on KDE so that they have a tightly integrated system with no duplicated functionality.

    1. Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Novel's stock will only go up if they start being profitable.

      To be clear, Novell is profitable.

      EPS (ttm)=0.92 means that their Earnings Per Share for the Trailing Twelve Months was 92 cents a share. On a $7.47 share price (when I looked at the link, above), that's about 12% Earnings return on the share price (or a PE Ratio of 8.08).

      That's really not a horrible return. Not great, but not bad, considering some tech companies LOSE money. It's only as high as it is because the stock price is beaten down so badly. Of course, you need to consider FUTURE earnings, not past, when buying a stock.

      I'm no stock guru, but I do have what most would consider a sizeable portfolio, and I am in Novell at just over $6 (full disclosure here) for a few grand. So, yes, if I could encourage buying without touting the stock, I would. But I can't; that might be illegal.

  12. NetWare 6.5 here, GroupWise 7, ZENworks 6.0. by khasim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Novell's old products are great. But their sales force sucks beyond belief. They are one of the few companies where you have to defeat their sales force to get them to sell you anything.

    And you had better know exactly what you want because they're not going to offer any advice.

    The only time you'll see/hear a Novell rep is when a tech support company goes cruising for clients. The Novell reps love to be driven around to see customers that they wouldn't ever call on their own.

    I could double Novell's sales with nothing more than a two line phone and an email account. Seriously. Microsoft takes executives from potential clients to expensive dinners. Novell won't even waste a phone call on an existing customer. They won't even let you know when new products come out that could fit with the stuff they have on record that they sold you.

  13. They're object oriented by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Funny

    foreach NovellWorker Worker in CurrentlyHired {
            if( Worker.TooOld || Worker.EarnsTooMuch || Worker.HatedByBobInAccounting ) {
                  Worker.Release();
                  Worker.Dispose();
            }
    }