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Raised Flooring Obsolete or Not?

mstansberry writes "In part three of a series on the price of power in the data center, experts debate the merits of raised flooring. It's been around for years, but the original raised floors weren't designed to handle the air flow people are trying to get out them today. Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go. Is cooling with raised floors the most efficient option?"

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  1. The future is not in raised flooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but in lowered walling.

  2. Where else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where else am I going to store my beer so it can stay cold and the boss not find it?

    1. Re:Where else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where else am I going to store my beer so it can stay cold and the boss not find it?

      The problem is your boss. At a previous company my boss was the one that insisted we have a "beer fridge" hidden in the back of our server room, out of site of the rest of the company.

    2. Re:Where else? by hamburger+lady · · Score: 5, Funny

      man, i'd much rather have you for an employee than the guy asking where to hide the bodies..

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    3. Re:Where else? by KidFunkyFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      What fun is it when the halon system goes and there isn't a risk of being decapitated by a flying floor tile?

    4. Re:Where else? by craigburton · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can I suggest fitting one of these in your data centre racks?

      http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/resources/catdet ails/2457.pdf

      or maybe even one of these...

      http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/resources/catdet ails/2458.pdf

    5. Re:Where else? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the server was offsite? No wonder he was okay with it.

    6. Re:Where else? by InvalidError · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the new trends is side-to-side flow. Draw cooled air from the raised floor on the left side and exhaust hot air through the suspended ceiling on the right. To reduce interference, route power through the floor and data cables through the ceiling or vice-versa. This way, no system has to take any other's heat.

      Some datacenters have very odd cooling systems... some even distribute cold air from the top and collect hot air at the floor, quite a questionable choice.

    7. Re:Where else? by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funniest story I ever heard involved a 1970's computer-room retrofit into an old commercial chemistry building. The computer room was a big area in the center with a hall completely around it, and small labs all along the outside of the hall. They ran more AC and put in a raised floor, but otherwise just pretty well crammed the mainframe in. One thing they didn't consider was the fire system.

      Sprinklers are as bad for chemical labs as for computers, but what the building had instead wasn't much better. The whole installation was pre-Halon; it used a CO2 dump system, with a big tank outside. (I don't know how much the tank held, but it cost them $10,000 to fill it.) In order to smother files without killing people, the CO2 vented at floor level. That's right—under the raised floor of the computer room.

      Did I mention that the chemical labs around the outside were still in use? Every time a chemist set something on fire and pulled the panic handle, the system flooded CO2 into the entire building. Foom! Up would fly the floor panels, accompanied by huge clouds of dust.

      —Drifting right into the old-fashioned optical smoke detectors. Foom! again. More panels blown loose, more dust flying, panicked chemists fleeing in every direction, babbling in German and Hindustani and Farsi. The system would cycle over and over until the tank was empty.

      The fellow that told me about this place was amazed that, although the system got triggered two or three times while he worked there, completely emptying the tank every time, they never shattered any disk platters or CPU boards by flash-freezing them. But he did tell of coming back into the building to find the keypunch operator's potted plant frozen stiff.

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    8. Re:Where else? by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Funny

      easy, you upgrade to a whiskey habit, which requires no refrigeration and makes no telltale psssst when you open it. Also, indefinite shelf life, sealed or open. when I worked for a dot-com in 2000-2002, we were allowed beer after 5:00pm, and my boss, the CTO, said it was ok if I could keep a bottle of hard stuff in my desk so long as I waited till past 5 before taking a shot.

  3. sub-floor by backdoorman · · Score: 5, Funny

    But then where will we keep the bodies?

    1. Re:sub-floor by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lowered ceilings. To justify the cost, just say you need it for the recessed lighting.

    2. Re:sub-floor by b1t+r0t · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lowered ceilings. To justify the cost, just say you need it for the recessed lighting.

      Downside: needs more reinforcement, especially if you need to hide an overweight PHB. Upside: if the odors go upwards, the bodies will remain undetected longer.

      Or you could just use old enclosed racks as sarcophagi, hiding them in the back of the storage room behind stacks of obsolete boxen.

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    3. Re:sub-floor by Clemensa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes...the bodies of mice. In all seriousness, every so often we get the most awful smell in our server room. That's when we call Rentokil, and they inevitably find the bodies of dead mice in our raised flooring in our server room. Bear in mind it's a couple of floors up....when people said to me "you are never more than 10 foot away from a rat when you are in London" I took it to mean horizontal distance, and not *actual* distance (I didn't imagine that many rats lived on every floor of buildings...)

    4. Re:sub-floor by Sven+The+Space+Monke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amatuer. You keep the beancounter's "backups" on that rack. Your blackmail and porn tapes are kept with your fine liquors in the fireproof vault , which your boss *thinks* he has the combination to (when he, in fact, has the emergency code that when punched in immediately triggers the halon release with the 60-second delay disabled).

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  4. Turns? by mboverload · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as the space under the floor has a negative or positive atmosphere I can't see how somme turns have anything to do with the air flow.

    1. Re:Turns? by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Funny
      Thanks for reassuring me about this.

      After reading this very insightful article summary, I was planning to completely replace all of the ductwork in my house on the assumption that air can't go around corners. You just saved me several thousand dollars.

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    2. Re:Turns? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed. It's been years since I've seen a raised floor. As far as I know, most new datacenters use racks and overhead wire guides instead. The reason for this is obviously not the air flow. The raised floor made sense when you had only a few big machines that ran an ungodly number of cables to various points in the building. (At a whopping 19.2K, I'll have you know!) Using a raised floor allowed you to simply walk *over* the cabling while still allowing you to yank some tiles for easy troubleshooting.

      (Great way to keep your boss at bay, too. "Don't come in here! We've got tiles up and you may fall in a hole! thenthegruewilleastyouandnoonewillnoticebwhahaha")

      With computers being designed as they are now, the raised floor no longer makes sense. For one, all your plugs tend to go to the same place. i.e. Your power cords go to the power mains in one direction, your network cables go to the switch (and ultimately the patch panel) in another, and your KVM console is built into the rack itself. With the number of computers being managed, you'd be spending all day pulling up floor tiling and crawling around in tight spaces trying to find the right cable! With guided cables, you simply unhook the cable and drag it out. (Or for new cables, you simply loop a them through the guides.)

      So in sort, times change and so do the datacenters. :-)

    3. Re:Turns? by convolvatron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you're right in some sense, the pressure underneath the
      plenum will force air through no matter what. there
      are however two problems. the first is that turbulence
      underneath the floor can turn the directed kinetic energy
      of the air into heat...this can be a real drag. in circumstances
      where you need to move alot of air, the channel may not
      even be sufficiently wide.

      more importantly, the air ends up coming out where the
      resistance is less, leading to uneven distribution of
      air. if you're grossly overbudget and just relying on
      the ambient temperature of the machine room, this isn't
      a problem. but when you get close to the edge it can
      totally push you over.

    4. Re:Turns? by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Obviously you realize that as the equipment contents of datacenters change, it doesn't make sense to change the room sturcture all that much? Hence many older datacenters have retained their raised floors. Of course, their air conditioners were also designed for raised floors.

      I don't know where you've worked, but every datacenter I've seen has had a raised floor, and all of them still had at least one mainframe structure still in use ... hence, they still routed cables under the floor for them, by design.

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    5. Re:Turns? by nettdata · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, with the way computers are being designed now, raised flooring and proper cooling is even MORE of an issue than it was.

      With the advent of blades, the heat generated per rack space is now typically MUCH higher than it was a back in the day. If anything, the raised flooring should be redesigned, as it can't cope with the airflow that is needed for higher density server rooms.

      You'll find that a number of racks are being redesigned with built-in plenums for cooling... a cold feed on the bottom, and a hot return at the top, with individual ducts for various levels of the rack.

      There are even liquid-cooled racks available for the BIG jobs.

      I think that it's not so much that we're going to get rid of raised floors, but just redesign the materials and layout of them to be more effective with the needs of today.

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    6. Re:Turns? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I still miss why running cabling under the floor is worse than running it in overhead trays. Either the trays are too high to get at without a ladder (thus making them at least as inconvenient as floor tiles), or they're too low and you bash things into them.

      Overhead tray systems also suffer from a fairly rigid room layout, and I have yet to see a data center being used the way it was originally layed out after a few years. Raised flooring allows for a lot of flexibility for power runs, cabling runs and so on without having to install an overhead tray grid.

      Raised flooring also offers some slight protection against water leaks. We had our last raised floor system installed with all the power and data runs enclosed in liquidtight conduit due to the tenant's unfortunate run-ins with the buildings drain system and plumbing in the past.

      I guess overhead tray makes sense if all you want to do is fill 10,000 sq ft with rack cabinets, but it's not really that flexible or even attractive, IMHO.

    7. Re:Turns? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that the biggest single reason is that cable ladders encourage neat and sane cabling. Raised flooring . . . doesn't.

      -Peter

    8. Re:Turns? by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Aye...

      I worked consolidating serveral data operations from various older centers into a new building. Pulling up a tile and searching down through the archeological strata of cables was amazing. Fiber on top, then a layer of UTP, then coax (getting ever thicker as you got close to the concrete), then--finally that moment of truth when you find the AC plug you were looking for, and the frayed wire next to it that knocked you back. There was no room for airflow in those places.

      Fortunately, the new datacenter had cable trays under the floor, tiles at 30", nicely labled AC outlets that matched the rack and region names. I shudder to think what will be like in 30 years.

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    9. Re:Turns? by Hannes+Eriksson · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Granted, this is 70mph wind stuff we're talking about, so it likely wouldn't apply in a datacenter environment.

      You've obviously not been in our data center. Rasied floor, two rows of racks, air blown up from the floor in front of the racks (every pannel immediately in the front of the racks), hot-air-returns in the ceiling behind the racks (center aisle). There's about 10 degree difference between the front and backside of the racks, and more than one person has complained about the "marlyin monroe" effect on the frontside.


      That "Marilyn Monroe" effect is quite nice on rainy days, drying your trousers after the bicycle ride to work, without the risk of getting ugly looking folding marks on them. No ironing textile care! Oh, and did I mention the nice side effect of letting the moisture help the AC keep the room antistatic? The heated airflow between two rows of racks allow for a quicker drying procedure, but that doesn't keep you away from those pesky users as long, does it?
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  5. Short Article. by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Says that raised floors may be inefficient if it gets block. Then says alternatives are expensive. Direct AC where you need it, the article says.

    Why wouldn't raised floors be bad if you used them properly?

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  6. Oh...so it's for practial reasons... by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the raised flooring was just to make the people working there look taller and more impressive, kinda like how they do with pharmacists.

  7. Turns? by archeopterix · · Score: 3, Funny
    Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go.
    Tell that to the methane in my bowels.
  8. I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete. by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another big reason for raised floors is to handle wiring. I know companies where it was installed only for this reason. Cooling wasn't even on their minds.

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  9. No more zinc whiskers? by dextromulous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we get rid of the raised floors, how am I supposed to impress people with my knowledge of zinc whiskers?

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  10. Army Research Labs solution... by Seltsam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interned at ARL inside of Aberdeen Proving Grounds this past summer and when touring the supercomputer room (more like cluster room these days), the guide said they used one of the computers in the room to simulate the airflow in that room so they could align the systems for better cooling. How geeky is that!

    1. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by bigpat · · Score: 2, Funny

      the guide said they used one of the computers in the room to simulate the airflow in that room so they could align the systems for better cooling.

      I bet that computer simulated the best cooling for itself.

    2. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Funny

      How geeky is that!

      Some call that planning and engineering.

      An engineering firm that was hired to do some upgrades to our 2 room computer facility which included a fan to circulate air between the two rooms. We asked what the CFM of the fans were and how often the air would be exchanged between the rooms. Their answer: Dunno, never thought of that. Good thing we did.

  11. No by temojen · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's in lower power chips, more efficient PSUs, and possibly liquid cooling where the radiator is outside the building (or a heat exchanger to heat pump loop in hot climates).

    1. Re:No by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      liquid cooling

      Being, literally, a grey-beard who remembers working on intelligent (3270-series) terminals and water-cooled mainframes and Unix and DOS punks crowing about how "the mainframe is dead"... things like Citrix, LTSP, liquid-cooled racks, and IBM setting new records in "number of mainframe MIPS sold every year" really amuses me.

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    2. Re:No by Keruo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, leave out raised floors and install servers on floor level then.
      But remember, this is what happens when shit hits the fan and servers are on floor level.

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  12. One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Work+Account · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To paraphrase a popular saying: "It's the COMPUTERS, stupid!"

    Inefficient architectures must be discarded to make way for more modern, smaller, COOLER processors.

    Let's address the real problem here -- not the SYMPTOM of hot air.

    We need to address the COMPUTERS.

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    1. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps more importantly, better software solutions can make large hardware systems unnecessary. Instead of running and cooling 10 servers for a certain purpose, write better software to allow you to do the same thing on just one or two servers. If you cut down the amount of servers in the room by enough, you don't even need dedicated cooling.

  13. Why do devices need to be cooled? by WesG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am waiting for the day where someone invents a computer that doesn't need to be cooled or generate excess heat.

    Think about the lightbulb....A standard 60-watt incadescent bulb generate lots of heat. A better design is something like the LED bulbs that generate the same amount of lumens, with much less power, and more importantly little to no heat.

    Good design can allow these devices to not generate excess heat, hence eliminating the need for the raised floor.

    1. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by drmerope · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is essentially impossible. Unless you consider so called "reversible computing". But reversible computing must be adiabatic, and thus very slow. Basically, as you slow a computation down you begin to approach ideal efficiency.

      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing

      Fast computing is made possible by destroying information (that's all computers do really, they destroy information). That destruction process entails an entropy cost that must be paid in heat.

  14. I got a totally impracticable solution right here! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just have the whole data center submerged in an inert solution like the one made by 3M (fluorinert?), and have the workers wear scuba equipment.

    Most. Efficient. Cooling. Evar!

  15. Time to invent standardized air-interconnects by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone needs to create an air interconnect standard that lets server room designers snap-on cold air supplies onto a standard "air-port" on the box or blade. The port standard would include several sizes to accomodate different airflow needs and distribution form large supply ports to a rack of small ports on servers. A Lego-like portfolio of snap-together port connections, tees, joints, ducts, plenums, etc. would let an IT HVAC guy quickly distribute cold air from a floor, wall or ceiling air supply to a rack of servers.

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    1. Re:Time to invent standardized air-interconnects by jhines · · Score: 2

      I would think that if one had multiple racks, the ventilation could be done in between them, for example sucking the return air out of the middle of a pair of racks, and feeding fresh air in the sides. This could be extended as needed.

      My thinking is a good rack system should have the airflow under control.

  16. No Raised Floors? by thebdj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We had an issue where I once worked because we had so many servers the general server room that many different groups used was no longer adequate for our needs, since we were outgrowing our alotted space. Now instead of building us a new server room with the appropriate cooling (which presumably would have included raised flooring) we got a closet in a new building. This is obviously not much fun for the poor people who worked outside the closet, because the servers made a good deal of noise and even with the door closed were quite distracting.

    Now, we had to get building systems to maximize the air flow from the AC vent in the room to ensure maximum cooling and the temperature on the thermostat was set to the minimum (about 65 F I believe). One day, while trying to do some routine upgrades to the server, I noticed things not going so well. So I logged off the remote connection and made my way to the server room.

    What do I find when I get there? The room temperature is approximately 95 F (the outside room was a normal 72) and the servers are burning up. I check the system logs and guess what, it has been like this four nearly 12 hrs (since sometime in the middle of the night). To make this worse our system administrator was at home for vacation around X-Mas, so of course all sorts of hell was busting loose.

    We wound up getting the room down after the people from building systems managed to get us more AC cooling in the room; however, the point is it was never really enough. Even on a good day it was anywhere from 75 F to 80 F in the room and with nearly a full rack and another one to be moved in there is was never going to be enough. This is what happens though when administrations have apathy when it comes to IT and the needs of the computer systems, particularly servers. Maybe we should bolt servers down and stick them in giant wind tunnels or something...

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    1. Re:No Raised Floors? by rebelcan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Okay, screw this post about putting the servers in a giant tank filled with a coolant. Put the servers in a vertical wind tunnel so you can practice your sky diving while swapping a hard disk!

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  17. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If something is airtight, putting air in one end will move air out the other end.

    The problem lies with larger datacenter environments. Imagine a room the size of a football field. Along the walls are rows of air conditioners that blow cold air underneath the raised floor. Put a cabinet in the middle of the room and replace the tiles around it with perforated ones and you get a lot of cooling for that cabinet. Now start adding more rows & rows of cabinets along with perforated tiles in front of each of them. Eventually you get to a point where very little cold air makes it to those servers in the middle of the room because it's flowing up through other vents before it can get there. What's the solution? Removing servers in the middle of hotspots & adding more AC? Adding ducting under the floor to direct more air to those hotspots? Not very cheap & effective approaches...

  18. No problems cooling by zjeah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have been using raised flooring in our data center for decades and never had any cooling issues. Granted we have 4 large air handlers for the room but when running a raised floor one must have the proper system in place. Some hardware is designed to get it's air right from the floor and some is not. Our large server racks don't have floor openings so we have vent tiles in the floor on the front side and the servers in turn suck the cool air through. Raised floor is a great place to route cables/power/phones you name it. Just make sure your your air handlers are top notch (audible alarms/water detection/humidity & Temp control).

  19. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Eryq · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not an expert, but I had some HVAC work done recently in my home.

    The blower moving the air only has a certain amount of power. Hook it up to a duct ten feet long, and output basically equals input. Hook it up to a duct ten *miles* long -- even a perfectly airtight one -- the power you put into one end will be lost by the other end, because the air molecules lose momentum (and gain heat) as they bounce off each other and the walls of the duct.

    Every time a duct turns a right angle, the molecules lose a lot of energy as they largely slam face-on into the duct work. Rounded corners improve the situation, but not perfectly so.

    My HVAC designer said that as a rule of thumb, every right-angle turn in a conventional house duct was the equivalent of adding 10 linear feet, in terms of energy lost to heat.

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  20. Yes, turns by StevenMaurer · · Score: 2, Informative

    The longer the ductwork, the more turns, and the more severe those turns, the more your fans have to work to achieve the same pressure and airflow. This, because of the increased friction in the pipe.

    Now admittedly, friction isn't as important to gasses as it is to other states of matter, but it can have an effect, especially in high flow cooling.

  21. Thermal Dynamics... by BoraSport · · Score: 2, Informative
    The raised floor has more to do with how heat moves in an environment rather then how you move air through a duct. Most raised floors don't have major ducting under them. In our data centers the raised floor provides a controlled space that we can use to modify temps.

    Heat rises, our original designs back in 2002 for our data center called for overhead cooling using a new gel based radiator system. It would have been a great solution and caused us to go with a lower raised floor, just for cables and bracing. At the time the cost was too extreme to justify the design so we went back to traditional raised floor.

    Tile placement on a raised floor is key, only allowing the cool air to be pushed up in the front of your racks and creating hot rows facing your exhaust ends into the same isle. This way the cool air is pushed up from the floor, pulled in through the rack by the server fans, and exhausted, where it can then rise to a vent.

    To answer the original question, I think that using raised floors for cooling is not the most efficient solution. Top down chillers that address the heat that is rising off the servers would be better. I just don't know that the price of these solutions has reached a balance for the savings. Even with this design you need something to create a cool pad for your racks to sit on. Many times this can just be the concrete slab of the floor.

  22. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 2, Informative

    True, but IMO not the best way to handle wiring, overhead runs are much easier and cleaner. Every raised floor environment I have worked in was a mess under the floor and a nightmare to run new cables through.

    If cooling is not a concern, concrete slab with overhead runs is the best way. If cooling is an issue, use raised floor, for cooling only and overhead runs for cables.

  23. Not obsolete. by blastard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where I've worked it was primarily for running wires, not cooling. I've also worked in places that have the overhead baskets, and quite frankly, although they are convenient, they are 'tugly. They are great for temporary installations and where stuff gets moved alot, but I'd rather have my critical wires away from places where they can get fiddled with by bored individuals.

    So, no, I don't think they will be obselete any time soon. But hey, I'm an old punchcard guy.

  24. Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by mslinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go."

    I wonder how all those ducts throughtout America (with tons of 90 degree turns) carry air that heats and cools houses and office buildings every day?

  25. Yes, It Is The Best Option by Ed+Almos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in a data center right now with two rack mounted clusters and three IBM Z series machines plus a load of other kit. Without the raised flooring AND the ventilation systems things would get pretty toasty here but it has to be done right. The clusters are mounted in back to back Compaq network racks which draw air in the front and push it out the back. We therefore have 'cold' isles where the air is fed in through the raised floor and 'hot' isles where the hot air is taken away to help heat the rest of the building.

    The only other option would be water cooling but that's viewed by my bosses as supercomputer territory.

    Ed Almos

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  26. Obsolete or not... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...make sure you avoid floor zinc plated floor tiles. Few things are as damaging to a computer room as Zinc whiskers or other assorted airborne metal particles.

    Very difficult to track down random machine failures to bad interior decoration choices!

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  27. Re:How about water cooling? by raxx7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    SGI for example has done just that in some configurations.
    Check http://news.com.com/Photos+SGIs+Columbia+supercomp uter/2009-1039_3-5428431-6.html

  28. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by circusboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it can turn on a dime, but also stay on that dime. poor circulation results. trumpets have nice (if tight) curves, and even building ducts can have redirects inside the otherwise rectangular ducts to minimize trapped airflow in corners. for the most part even those corners are curved to help the stream of air.

    most server rooms aren't part of the duct, for example, the one here is large and rectangular, with enormous vents at either end. not very well designed.

    airflow is a very complicated problem, my old employer had at least three AC engineers on full time staff to work out how to keep the tents cold ( I worked for a circus, hence the nick.) the ducting we had to do in many cases was ridiculous.

    why do you think the apple engineering used to use a cray to work out the air passage through the old macs. just dropping air-conditioning into a hot room isn't going to do jack if the airflow isn't properly designed and tuned. air, like many things, doesn't like to turn 90 degrees, it needs to be steered.

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  29. Re:Not Just Cooling by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cooling, IMO, is a secondary use of raised floors.

    The real usefulness is the ability to run cabling from any point A to any point B in the floor space.


    That's good to an extent, as long as the cable runs aren't too long. Go take a look at an enterprise grade colocation hosting facility and you may change your mind. I've spent a lot of time at one of the top-tier MCI facilities. It has a raised floor that's used for cooling and power distribution, but all networking is done via 3 or 4 layers of overhead cable trays. It's much easier to climb on top of a cable ladder that can easily support your weight to run a cable the length of a datacenter than it is to crawl underneath a floor trying to fish a cable past supports, power lines, etc.

  30. Raised floors for cooling=bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We worked very closely with Liebert ( http://www.liebert.com/ ) when we recently rennovated our data center for a major project. The traditional CRAC (Computer Room AC) units supplying air through a raised floor is no longer viable for the modern data center. CRAC units are now used as supplemental cooling, and primarily for humidity control. When you have 1024 1U, dual processor servers producing 320 kW of heat in 1000 sq ft of space, an 18 inch raised floor (with all kinds of crap under it) is not adequate to supply the volume of air needed to cool that much heat in so small a space.

    We had intended to use the raised floor to supply air, but Liebert's design analysis gave us a clear indication of why that wasn't going to work. We needed to generate air velocities in excess of 35 MPH under the floor. There were hotspots in the room where negative pressure was created and the air was actually being sucked into the floor rather than being blown out from it. So, we happened to get lucky as Liebert was literally just rolling off the production line their Extreme Density cooling system. The system uses rack mounted heat exchangers (air to refrigerant), each of which can dissipate 8 - 10 kW of heat, and can be tied to a building's chilled water system, or a compressor that can be mounted outside the building.

    This system is extremely efficient as it puts the cooling at the rack, where it is needed most. It's far more efficient than the floor based system, although we still use the floor units to manage the humidity levels in the room. The Liebert system has been a work horse. Our racks are producing between 8 - 9 kW under load and we consistently have temperatures between 80 - 95 F in the hot aisle, and a nice 68 - 70 F in the cold aisles. No major failures in two years (two software related things early on; one bad valve in a rack mounted unit).

  31. Raised Floor Fun! by bsd4me · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... overhead runs are much easier and cleaner ...

    But it also eliminates the joy of making fun of coworkers who gets lost in a raised floor, or closing them in when they go on a hunt for something...

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    1. Re:Raised Floor Fun! by jwdb · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know a cooling technician who once got lost in a company's ductwork. Crawled around for an hour or two, found a spot where his cell got a bit of reception, and called up someone with a map to guide him out.

      Yikes...

  32. More about bad rack design by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This seems to be more about bad rack design than raised floors. It's a basic principle of ducting design that, as the airflow spreads out from the source through different paths, the total cross section of the paths should stay roughly constant. (Yes, I am simplifying and I as sure someone can explain this better and in more detail. Yes, duct length and pressure drop is important. But the basic concept is true. If I want consistent airflow in my system, and the inlet is one square metre, the total of all the outlets should be around one square metre too.)

    Standard racks tend completely to ignore this. They rely on the internal modules handling their own airflow with fans, which is fine if the inlet area to the modules is much less than the size of the duct entering the cabinet. But if the total area of the inlets to the modules is more than the incoming duct area, the modules furthest from the duct (i.e. the ones at the top) will be starved of air. 1U servers are inevitably going to worsen the problem because they create a large number of competing inlets, stratified up the cabinet. Sucking air out at the top will only work if the air flow is so great it creates a significant pressure drop across the servers, which leads to noise problems, is inefficient, and may adversely affect local cooling inside the server. Blades are potentially much better because, with fewer modules in the cabinet, each with similar requirements, it should be easier to design a cabinet-wide ducting system. However, the most logical solution is to go back to designing the entire cabinet as an integrated system - in which case the entire base of the cabinet can be the inlet duct opening, with appropriate internal structures and blade design to fulfil the objectives of keeping consistent flow to each blade rack and across each blade.

    It's the old engineering issue - ad hoc design leads to suboptimal results, and systems need to be considered as a whole. Blades are, depending on how you look at it, a step in the right direction or a return to the way things used to be designed when real computers were loads of tight packed boards full of ECL and proper cooling design of the cabinet was essential if the thing was to work at all.

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    1. Re:More about bad rack design by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a basic principle of ducting design that, as the airflow spreads out from the source through different paths, the total cross section of the paths should stay roughly constant.

      I used to do commercial HVAC work, and everybody in the business does the opposite from what you describe. The ducts are largest near the air handler, and they are smallest at the end of the line. Typically, the main trunk of the duct gets smaller in diameter after each branch comes off of it and goes to a diffuser.

      One issue with raised floors, especially very large ones, is that the "ducting" or the floor is the same diameter across the whole room, and the machines that are furthest from the air handlers get the least cooling. Also, the floor is not (to my knowledge) insulated in any way, so even the air going through it will raise the temperature of the air all along the path.

      But if the total area of the inlets to the modules is more than the incoming duct area, the modules furthest from the duct (i.e. the ones at the top) will be starved of air.

      True to a point. Its also compounded by the fact that cold air sinks and hot air rises. I work with one completely populated rack of 1U machines. They have good airflow through them, there is no real difference in heat inside of the boxes from top to bottom.

      Sucking air out at the top will only work if the air flow is so great it creates a significant pressure drop across the servers, which leads to noise problems, is inefficient, and may adversely affect local cooling inside the server.

      I specifically ordered new tops for our racks with 2 fans in them when we got some hot computers. I don't remember how much it cooled down the racks, but it was like 5 to 10 degrees. These are solid racks with 3 8" fans in the rear as well. They work pretty good.

  33. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by markana · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oxygenate the fluid, and you can even dispense with the scuba gear...

    Going to have to bugdet for towels, though...

  34. Re:Turns? OR What The Gov't Does by waif69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    One the facilities (gov't) that I have meetings at, has a raised floor covering the entire building. Yes, it is one story and you can place a few football fields in it. They have the ventilation in the overheads and the cabling run under the floor. It works nicely for them, and provides a clean appearance for the entire facility.

  35. Asked in February by The+employee+can+cho · · Score: 2

    http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/19 56217&tid=164&tid=4

    An Ask Slashdot question was posted back in February about the merits of raising a floor on a budget. Not a dupe, but a complimentary article.

  36. Can't push enough air by ka9dgx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem is that power density has gone through the roof. It used to be that a rack of computers was between 2kw and 5kw. Modern blade servers easily push that up to 25kw per rack. You'd have to have 10 feet or more of space below the floor to accomplish cooling with an external source, thus the move to in-rack cooling systems, and the new hot aisle / cold aisle systems.

    Wiring is now usually ABOVE the equipment, and with 10Gigabit copper, you can't just put all of the cables in a bundle any more, you have to be very careful.

    It's a brave new datacenter world. You need some serious engineering these days, guessing just isn't going to do it. Hire the pros, and save your career.

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  37. It's complicated, but basically, yes and no by freeweed · · Score: 4, Informative

    So long as you have positive air pressure under your floor, you'll get *some* effect from your perf tiles. However, as I'm sure some fluid dynamics folks will jump in with, air flow is a HARD problem. Yeah, so you're getting cold air coming up through your perfs. Well, most of them. Some of them are actually pulling air DOWN. Why?

    If you're bored, check out TileFlow. It's an underfloor airflow simulator. You put in your AC units, perf tiles, floor height, baffles, you name it. It will (roughly) work out how many CFM of cold air you're going to see on a given tile. It's near-realtime (takes a second to recalculate when you make changes), so you can quickly add/remove things and see the effect. I spent some time messing with this a couple of years ago, and it's very easy to set up a situation where you have areas in your underfloow with *negative* pressure.

    The article basically summed it up for me:

    McFarlane said raised floors should be at least 18 inches high, and preferably 24 to 30 inches, to hold the necessary cable bundles without impeding the high volumes of air flow. But he also said those levels aren't realistic for buildings that weren't designed with that extra height.

    I'd go with 24 inches MINIMUM, myself. Also, proper cable placement (ie: not just willy-nilly) goes a long way towards helping airflow issues. Like they said though, you don't always have the space.

    Of course, with the introduction of a blade chassis or 4, you suddenly need one HELL of a lot more AC :)

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    1. Re:It's complicated, but basically, yes and no by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd go with 24 inches MINIMUM, myself.

      Not bad, at about 1" per year is typical. Might last a career.

      A layer each for:

      • Serial cables (RS232)
      • Mainframe cables (more layers here than I can count)
      • Thick Ethernet
      • Arcnet
      • Token Ring
      • Thin Ethernet
      • 10BaseT
      • SCSI this that and the next
      • FDDI
      • SSA
      • FC-AL
      • 100BaseT
      • 1000BaseT
      • 10000Base fibre

      Oh, and don't forget power, 2 phase and 3 phase, 240v and 120v. And those silly traceiver boxes and modems.

      Floors end up being garbage pits...

  38. HVAC concerns by Elfich47 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) design is based upon how air moves through a given pipe or duct.

    When you are designing for a space (such as a room) you design for the shortest amount of ductwork for the greatest amount of distribution. Look up in the ceiling of an office complex sometime and count the number of supply and return diffusers that work to keep your air in reasonable shape. All of the ducts that supply this air are smooth, straight and designed for a minimal amount of losses.

    All air flow is predicated on two imporant points within a given pipe (splits and branching with in the duct work is not covered here): pressure loss within the pipe and how much power you have to move the air. The higher the pressure losses, the more power you need to move the same amount of air. Every corner, turn, rough pipe, longer pipe all contribute to the amount of power needed to push the air through at the rate you need.

    Where am I going with all of this? Well under floor/raised floor systems do not have alot of space under them and it is assumed that the entire space under it is flexible and can be used (ie no impediments or blockages). Ductwork is immobile and does not appreciate being banged around. Most big servers need immense amounts of cooling. A 10"x10" duct is good for roughly 200 CFM of air. That much air is good for 2-3 people (this is rough, since I do not have my HVAC cookbook in front of me.. yes that is what it is called). Servers need large volumes of air and if that ductwork is put under the floor, pray you don't need any cables in that area of the room. Before you ask: Well why don't we just pump the air into the space under the floor and it will get there? Air is like water, it leaves through the easiest method possible. Place a glass on the table and pour water on the table and see if any of the water ends up in the glass. Good chance it ends up spread out on the floor where it was easiest to leak out. Unless air is specifically ducted to exatcly where you want it, it will go anywhere it can (always to the easiest exit).

    Ductwork is a very space consuming item. Main trunks for 2 and three story buildings can be on the order of four to five feet wide and three to four feet high. A server room by itself can require the same amount of cooling as the rest of the floor it is on. (ignoring wet bulb/dry bulb issues, humidity generation and filtering, we are just talking about number of BTUs generated). A good size server room could easily require a seperate trunk line and return to prevent the spreading of heated air throughout the building (some places do actually duct the warm air into the rest of the building during the winter). Allowing this air to return into the common plenum return will place an additional load on the rest of the buildings AC system. Place the server on a seperate HVAC system to prevent overloading the rest of the building's AC system (which is designed on a per square foot basis assuming for a given number of people/computers/lights per square foot if the floor plan does not include a desk plan layout).

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  39. Call in the aliens by freeweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    That only works until you have a situation where you need to cut the green wire with the yellow stripe, NOT the black wire with the white stripe, in order to shut down your server before it explodes. That oxygenated fluid is pink, making colour detection damn near impossible.

    Now, if you're willing to host an alien spaceship at the bottom of your datacentre, maybe they could lend a hand...

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  40. Raised flooring is useful for several reasons. by slasher999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Raised flooring is useful for several reasons, moving cool air through a data center is only one of them. While requiring air to make severe turns to get out of the floor isn't optimal, most cabinets and the equipment in those cabinets is engineered with this in mind. Air is generally drawn in through the front of the cabinet and device and warm air blows out the back. Fans in the equipment pull the air in - the air doesn't have to "turn" on its own again (not that is really did in the first place). Warm air then rises after leaving the device where it is normally drawn back into the top of the AC unit.

    Raised flooring also provides significant storage for those large eletrical "whips" where 30A (in most US DCs any how) circuits are terminated as well as a place to hide miles of copper and fiber cable (preferably not too close to the electrical whips). Where else would you put this stuff? With high density switches and servers, we certainly aren't seeing less cable needed in the data centers. Cabinets that used to hold five or six servers now hold 40 or more. Each of these needs power (typically redundant) and network connectivity (again, typically redundant), so we actually have more cables to hide than ever before.

    Cabinets are built with raised flooring in mind. Manufactureres expect your cabling will probably feed up through the floor into the bottom of the cabinet. Sure, there is some space in the top of the cabinets, but nothing like the wide open bottom!

    Anyhow, there you have the ideas of someone who is quickly becoming a dinosaur (again) in the industry.

  41. Re:Not Just Cooling by TinyManCan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Without the raised floor, you have to put your rats nest of cabling somewhere else, which almost certainly mean vertical.

    I don't believe that there should be a rats nest of cabling _anywhere_ in a datacenter. I hate raised floors because they allow techs to get sloppy. Vertical wiring trays eliminate that possibility by showing their hackish wiring job to everyone.

    When your datacenter is new, you should pre-wire patch panels in each cabinet for SAN and Ethernet. Each cabinet should have a PDU.

    Run all of the cables from all of the patch panels back to your main SAN and Network patch panels.

    If you do that work ahead of time, all you will ever have to do is plug a server into a patch panel in the same cabinet.

    For larger equipment (Disk arrays, Tape Libraries, etc) you place the equipment and carefully measure the cable runs. Make sure you only have 3 feet of 'slack' and run the cables cleanly.

    Its a lot of work to keep a datacenter in order, but it is worth it in the long run. For one, you'll never have to spend two weeks tracing an ethernet cable around the datacenter to locate a phantom server.

  42. Have you looked at LED efficiency by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Efficiency

    LEDs are certainly better than flashlight bulbs.

    But when a white LED delivers 15-19 lumens per watt, its about the same as a 100W incandescent and five times worse than a fluorescent. LEDs appear bright because they put out a fairly focused beam - not because they put out lots of light.

  43. Re:Hey -- who's the experts anyways?!?! by coleblak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, McCloud, get offa my ewe!

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  44. Bodies ??? what about the booze ? by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'm more concerned about keeping my booze cool than hiding bodies. the bodies can be dissolved in caustic soda and flushed down the toilet

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  45. Re:How about water cooling? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wouldn't use water but something that if a leak occurs nothing bad happens. Anti-freeze is pretty much inert and transfers heat well. IIRC, some of the Cray supercomputers were water cooled. So I guess that technology belongs to SGI (for now) since they bought Cray.

  46. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by cvd6262 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another big reason for raised floors is to handle wiring.

    or pluming. I'm serious. (An a bit OT)

    When I was at IBM's Cottle Rd. facility, now (mostly) part of Hitachi, they had just finished rebuilding their main magnetoresitive head cleanroom (Taurus). They took the idea from the server techs, and dug out eight feet from under the existing cleanroom (without tearing down the building) and put in a false floor.

    All of the chemicals were stored in tanks under the floor. Pipes ran veritcally, and most spills (unless it was something noxious) wouldn't shut down much of the line. It was a big risk but, if what I hear is correct, people still say it's the best idea they had in a while.

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  47. So you don't care - who cares? by avronius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a number of slashdot visitors that do actually care about server room issues. The fact that you don't understand the need does not negate it's importance.

    Large organizations rely on server rooms for their computing environment. Having a cobbled environment where the file server is on the 3rd floor, and the application server is in the janitor's closet, etc. is a recipe for disaster. Troubleshooting connectivity issues (among others) can end up costing more than the apparent simplicity of such a design.

    Understanding ways to better cool the space that our servers occupy is important. And being able to do so in a cost effective manner is also important. The organization that I work in has one in-house server room (containing 60 racks of servers), and one 'co-located' server room (containing 72 racks of servers). Heat and power are the two killers. If we experience a 50% power loss (assume that one power grid is knocked out), do we have enough power to run AND cool the server room? If not, what percentage of my gear do I need to shut down in order to prevent overheating, without impacting critical business systems (like payroll).

    If we can find a cheaper / better / more cost effective method for cooling that utilizes less power, or find a way to use the cooling systems that we have in a more efficient manner, is that not worth an article on slashdot?

    IMHO, This is a valid topic.

    1. Re:So you don't care - who cares? by zyxmaw · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Norway we open the door. Its quite cheap.

  48. Hell no by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Raised floor cooling was designed back when the computer room held mainframe and telephone switch equipment with vertical boards in 5-7 foot tall cabinets. The tile was holed or removed directly under each cabinet, so cool air flowed up, past the boards and out through the top of the cabinet. It then wandered its way across the ceiling to the air conditioners' intakes and the cycle repeated.

    Telecom switching equipment still uses vertically mounted boards for the most part and still expects to intake air from the bottom and exhaust it out the top. Have any AT&T/Lucent/Avaya equipment in your computer room? Go look.

    Now look at your rack mount computer case. Doesn't matter which one. Does it suck air in at the bottom and exhaust it out at the top? No. No, it doesn't. Most suck air in the front and exhaust it out the back. Some suck it in one side and exhaust it out the other. The bottom is a solid slab of metal which obstructs 100% of any airflow directed at it.

    Gee, how's that going to work?

    Well, the answer is: with some hacks. Now the holed tiles are in front of the cabinet instead of under it. But wait, that basically defeats the purpose of using the raised floor to move air in the first place. Worse, that mild draft of cold air competes with the rampaging hot air blown out of the next row of cabinets. So, for the most part your machines get to suck someone elses hot air!

    So what's the solution? A hot aisle / cold aisle approach. Duct cold air overhead to the even-numbered aisles. Have the front of the machines face that cold aisle in the cabinets to either side. Duct the hot air back from the odd-numbered aisles to the air conditioners. Doesn't matter that the hot aisles are 10-15 degrees hotter than the cold aisles because air from the hot aisles doesn't enter the machines.

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  49. Re:How about water cooling? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wouldn't use water but something that if a leak occurs nothing bad happens. Anti-freeze is pretty much inert and transfers heat well.

    Water (non-pure... which it will be as soon as it hits your computer) conducts electricity.
    Antifreeze is not better and conducts electricity.

    The liquid you're looking for is fluorinert, but the price is one the order of hundreds of dollars per gallon.
    When you consider the price, you'll see why many people just use water and high-quality plumbing. Why use $500 of flourinert to protect a $500 computer? If your plumbing fails it's still going to overheat, so the tradeoff is really between the cost of the computer times the likelihood of the pipes failing vs the cost of the flourinert and the likelihood of the pipes not failing.

    Since your pipes are more likely to not fail than fail (unless you just totally suck at life), and the flourinert is going to cost more than your computer, it just doesn't make sense.

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  50. But better yet ... by Martix · · Score: 2, Funny

    A place to hide the bosses body and won't stink up the place :P

  51. It's the physics, stoopid by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that I'm not calling the parent poster stoopid, but rather the design of forcing cold air through the *floor*. As the parent here notes, cold air falls. This is presumably why most home fridges have the freezer on top.

    I was most surprised to read this article. I've never worked in a data center, but I have worked in semiconductor production cleanrooms, and given the photos I've seen of data centers with the grated flooring, I guess I always assumed the ventilation was handled the same way as in a cleanroom -- new air in from the ceiling, old air whisked away through the floor. (This ensures that any particles, which will naturally fall if heavier than air, will be sucked out of the room.) Note that this is obviously *not* a passive system designed to use convection, but rather an active system using lots of fans.

    While a passive convection system with the cold pulled up from below is a nice theory, you can run into the same problems others have pointed out -- what if the bottom units suck in all the cold air? The top units are left too warm.

    Meanwhile, if you drop cold air from above, sure, the top units might suck a lot of that in -- but any cold air that isn't sucked in will naturally continue to drop relative to warmer air, ensuring that the lower units are not cooked. If you want to be especially careful about it, you could route all the cold air outputs towards the perimeter of the room and put the uptakes in the center of the ceiling to ensure a vortical flow.

    Just my ¥2.

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  52. It is not just for air flow by pvera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I spent the first 8 years of my professional life stuck working in NOCs with standard raised flooring, the cooling was just one of the many things it was needed for.

    Examples:

    Wiring: Not everyone likes to use overhead ladders to carry cables around. In the Army we had less than 50% of our wiring overhead, the rest was routed thru channels underneath the raised flooring.

    HVAC Spill protection: Many of our NOCs had huge AC units above the tile level, and these things could leak at any moment. With raised flooring the water will pool at the bottom instead of run over the tiles and cause an accident. We had water sensors installed, so we knew we had a problem as soon as the first drop hit the floor.

    If the natural airflow patterns are not enough for a specific piece of equipment, it does not take a lot to build conducts to guarantee cold air delivery underneath a specific rack unit.

    The one thing I did not like about the raised floors was when some dumbass moron (who did NOT work within a NOC) decided to replace our nice, white, easy to buff tiles, with carpeted tiles. 10 years later and I can't still figure out why the hell would he approve that switch, since our NOC with its white tiles looked fricking gorgeous just by running a buffer and a clean mop thru it. The tiles with carpeting were gray so they darkened our pristine NOC.

    I bet many of the people against raised flooring are land lords that don't want to get stuck with the cost of rebuilding flooring if the new tenant does not need a NOC area. I have been to a NOC in a conventional office suite, they basically crammed all of their racks into what seemed to be a former cubicle island. The air conditioning units were obviously a last-minute addition and it looked like the smallest spill would immediately short the lose power strips on the first row of racks in front of them. Shoddy as hell.

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  53. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Informative

    iirc its very very difficult to breath under even a fairly small depth of liquid unless the air is presurised to match the water pressure

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  54. Re:Raised flooring is an obstacle to progress by ErikFreitag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it is a very good idea to hide your cabling, either power or data. Raised floor just becomes a place to hide things and collect dust, and makes it much harder to make changes. I've seen shallow raised floor which could not be re-seated after it was pulled because of the volume of cable underneath. I've also seen a raised floor environment that became a hazard when the Loma Prieta earthquake popped up every fifth tile or so.

    I believe the idea of hiding cable came from early IBM promotional photos that showed a beautiful sea of white tile with an IBM-logoed monolithic rectangular solid standing there in all of its phallic glory. The purchasers, who were not the operators, came to see this as a natural way to install and manage hardware. In my high school days I saw a Sperry Univac 1107 that was not only mounted on raised floor, but actually had components installed in decorative columns that matched the building deco, kind of like a light switch would be in an office -- the whole room became the computer.

    Cabinets also make little sense. Why make it hard to connect, disconnect, mount or dismount your hardware? The telcos have been using open racks since the beginning of time -- a much more efficient way to handle hardware that changes or must be inspected frequently.

    Power and data should run in separate ladder/tray overhead, where it can be seen and pulled, inspected or added to easily. 20A or 30A power outlets installed in the tray (or overhead duct dropped from the ceiling where electrical codes require) make it easy to attach your cabinet (or better, relay rack) power distribution.

  55. Benchmarking by jay_adelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Furthermore, if you speak to the insiders at most of the modern equipment manufacturers, they will tell you that the benchmarking processes are now done on solid, non-raised floor environments. The assumption is tonage of cooling is provided at the intake, which is not located at the bottom of the larger machines, but at the front or back. The hot aisle/cold aisle methodology is still the only viable means for cooling high power density equipment in a large datacenter environment. The only remaining issue is how to get rid of the hot air, and clearly the simplest initial design criteria should be high ceilings (hard to find in datacenters). Outside of that, high velocity air, specially designed air returns, or compartmentalized racks with dedicated air returns are alternatives. In most flow dynamic studies, you find raised floors are riddled with statification, hot air being delivered back into the intakes of other gear, whereas in non-raised hot-aisle/cold-aisle, this problem magically goes away...

  56. Almost the right idea by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, you're close. You are correct that the answer lies in a "hot aisle/cold aisle" configuration. The difference is, it works better when the cold air is coming up from below the raised floor tiles.

    Why? You must keep in mind, you're not trying to pump "cold" air in, you're trying to take heat out, and as Mother Nature knows, heat rises. So why not harness the natural convection of heat, allow it to flow up to the ceiling, and have some "perf" ceiling tiles and use the space over the ceiling tiles as your return plenum. Thus, you end up with a positive pressure beneath the raised floor, your heat load in the data room, and your negative pressure over the ceiling tiles leading back to your CRAC units.

    I assure you it works fabulously in our 2 year old data center at a major financial company. The other advantage to raised floor is, you don't have to worry about water being overhead. No one wants a condensor water, chilled water, or glycol pipe bursting over a row of server racks. But, put your power whips in liquid-tite conduit, use cable racks for the CAT5 and there's no problem if you have a leak. The leak detection ropes pick it up and you can contain it before it becomes a problem.

  57. It's complicated, but do your fluid dynamics by lcarstensen · · Score: 2, Informative

    TileFlow is excellent for most conventional datacenters and has served us well. Best practice in a conventional datacenter is to use TileFlow to ensure positive pressure and appropriate distribution (don't forget to model all your underfloor blockages), set up cold rows and hot rows, and then use a drop ceiling as a plenum with strategically located grates to pull the hot air back into your CRAC units. The only problem, as others have pointed out, is that it's only a 2D model presently and you really need to start modelling your load in 3D when you get past around 12kW/rack.

    We've speculated that if we were to start all over again we'd skip the raised floor and do a bi-level drop ceiling with one level being cold air distribution to cold rows and the other level being the hot air return. Let cold air fall and warm air rise, and augment it all with XDO's from Liebert.

  58. yes, but... by RMH101 · · Score: 2

    that'd apply if you're forcing air into a pipe and watching it come out of the other end. the issue is that if you're forcing air into, say, an underfloor system that's full of different shapes, air passages, etc that the airflow will tend to the path of least resistance, and you'll get less airflow in pockets, which might cause problems.