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Alleged Adware Purveyor Indicted

weeva writes "Wired News reports that federal prosecutors have indicted a 20-year-old California man for installing adware on 400,000 Windows machines he compromised with a variant of RxBot. Jeanson Ancheta allegedly pulled in $60,000 in affiliate fees from porn pop-up company Gammacash, and 180solutions subsidiary ZangoCash. The feds hope to seize his BMW."

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  1. Congratulations!! by Senes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone give those guys a free iPod.

  2. So . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when will Sony be indicted?

    1. Re:So . . . by Beatbyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'll see signs. Aeronautical swine are probably the most visible.

  3. Hurhurhur by HugePedlar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

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    1. Re:Hurhurhur by debilo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

      I'd pay for those!

    2. Re:Hurhurhur by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

      I'd pay for those!


      Okay:

      One day Lil porn popup says to his father: I want to get married.
      Father: Oh yeah, do you have someone in mind?
      Porn popup: Yeah, grandma
      Father: Well, there is a problem, you want to marry my mother.
      Porn popup: so what? you married mine...

      Can I get the cash now?

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  4. Re:Not much by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get in 400.000 machines only to earn $60,000

    You know, he just *might* have automated the process of getting into each machine...

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  5. Stick it to him by siphonophore · · Score: 3, Funny

    By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

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    1. Re:Stick it to him by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

      In other news: a decapitated head found on Internet town square strangely smells of rotten fish...

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  6. So what happens to the Companies by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    180solutions and Gammacash have put up a show claiming to be the good guys here and helping stop these scurrilous cads . So will there even be an investigation into their affairs.

    Perhaps I am a touch cynical , but I very much doubt they had no idea how a lot of their affiliates work . Did they even look into the business they work with , see if they are legitimate . Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

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    1. Re:So what happens to the Companies by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

      They probably did not know, because they did not want to know. Their policy was probably 'ask no questions, get no lies': you don't investigate at all into your affiliates' businesses, and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

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    2. Re:So what happens to the Companies by adtifyj · · Score: 3, Funny

      and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

      It doesnt matter how the shit ended up on your face; it doesnt look good.

    3. Re:So what happens to the Companies by NineNine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, GammaCash has been an affiliate program for a long time. They have a good reputation (if not quite the best payouts). The porn industry pretty much self-regulates. Legitimate porn purveyors don't spam. It's these amateurs that give us a bad name.

    4. Re:So what happens to the Companies by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As much as I hate spammers, I hate much more that feds go around "hoping" to take somebody's property. WTF?

      The word 'hope' is used because they, the Feds, have to prove that the car was purchased with funds from the illegal enterprise. This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.

      In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
  7. Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by putko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The guy ran bots -- he took control of thousands of PCs, and used them for purposes like sending spam.

    Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

    That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware (e.g. if you want to run the P2P, you are also agreeing to run our adware bot).

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    1. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by fmwap · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

      Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
      or
      Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.

      Point being that, sometimes it's *better* to be fucked over by the man in the black hat, instead of a reputable software company that provides contact information and is only legal because of one sentence burried deep in an EULA...at least thats MHO.

    2. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

      Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
      or
      Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.


      Wait! What? I don't understand why you think there's a problem with either of these options.

      Peter

    3. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by gstoddart · · Score: 2
      Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

      That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware

      Jeez, nice way to inject a pointless (and unrelated) ehtnic slur into an otherwise intelligent post.

      Is that even remotely necesary? I'm a friggin' WASP and that's offensive.

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  8. Re:Just 60,000? by Senes · · Score: 3, Informative

    $60,000 over the course of one year. As annoying as spam is, it really does not pay well unless done in large amounts. The big catch here was that very little was invested into making that money because other people's computers were doing all of the grunt work.

  9. Noble Cause by GodOfCode · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why does this always happen to men who work for noble causes?! After all, this chap was just facilitating the distribution of knowledge and information.

  10. evil axes to grind by dankelley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn him, for buying a car not made by US workers.

    1. Re:evil axes to grind by JonathanR · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wot, an X5 or a Z4? They're made in South Carolina.

    2. Re:evil axes to grind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, jobs which should have gone to hard working, deserving Germans rather than being outsourced to some 3rd world flea pit where they will work for peanuts.

    3. Re:evil axes to grind by SB5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not all of South Carolina is a 3rd world flea pit. They do have some nice beaches and other nice places there.

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  11. Re:Not much by Voltageaav · · Score: 3, Insightful

    15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year. With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance. I grant you that he was only 20 and likely didn't have much experiance you could put on a resume, but he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

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  12. Simple by wehup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

    1. Re:Simple by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

      Not so. Plenty of fine-print boilerplate associated with online games or other things will do the same. For example... you offer a free Java-based garden or room design program. Then you make sure that people running web sites for interior decorators or garden clubs know that they can link to it for free. People use it, and agree to the terms without thinking. Presto, you've got permission to drop a litte proxy or tool bar or other naughtiness on their machine. They've asked you to, without thinking about the consequences. People looking to play a free game of poker or do a crossword puzzle are easily seduced that way.

      Of course, that all takes some work, and most sleazy affiliates are way too lazy to do it the "honest" way. And the ones that do it fine-print-loophole way are still facing lawsuits because the tactics, while literally OK, are still clearly attempting to fool people.

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  13. 60,000 for installations only by nietsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So this guy had the installation hacked up so he didn't need any users permission to install the spyware. Why on earth didn't he also hack the display of the popups so they were shown to /dev/null (or whatever the windows variant is) instead of to the user. The most succesfull virusses are the ones that affect their host the least. Or if it was really only the installations, why not fake the installation?

    Worms/bots/virusses usually try to patch the vulnr they entered with. If they extended this behavior to keep windows fully patched then they could even be beneficial to their victims/hosts. That would increase the chances of survival of the malware even more.

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  14. Overheard at FBI... by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fed1: Let's see, we can go after any one of these 3 guys.
    Fed2: What cool stuff do they have?
    Fed1: Well, this one guy has a bike and a couple of laptops.The other one has a BMW and a couple of ipods and the other guy a Toyota and a house.
    Fed2: Hmm. That's a difficult one. I'd say,lets go after guy number 2 with the BMW and we keep quiet about the ipods and pocket them. In a month it will blow over and my wife can drive the BMW.
    Fed1: But I want a bike!
    Fed2: Focus pinky!

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  15. Seizing by MECC · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The feds hope to seize his BMW."

    Hopefully they'll seize other things of his that start with the letter 'B'

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    1. Re:Seizing by zootm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bentley?

  16. wow, what a kingpin by EllynGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

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    1. Re:wow, what a kingpin by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

      Weeks? I want to know where you are getting your cheap gas.

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  17. Kids, try this at home by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Funny
    20-year-old California man... The feds hope to seize his BMW.

    Moral of the story, do this when you are 17! Then you get to keep your BMW.

    1. Re:Kids, try this at home by plover · · Score: 2, Funny
      Actually, I was kind of wondering "which" feds wanted to seize his Beemer, cuz I want to be a part of that crowd:

      "Sweet ride, John, where'd you get that Viper?"
      "Some kid wrote a spambot last week. I'm hoping to bring down this other worm author next week, I hear he's got a mint-condition '62 Vette."
      "Nice. I got a Mercedes yesterday, but there's this Porsche, I mean virus author who has a Porsche, that I'm working on for tomorrow."

      Yeah, I could do that.

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      John
  18. Ah, the delicious irony by NetCow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Funnily enough, in Romanian "ancheta" means "investigation".
    Gotta love this...

  19. I hope... by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope this is the SOB that's been sending me those goddamned "online pharmacy" ads. They're just about the only ones that are getting through my filters, but I'm seeing 5-10 of them every day.

    -jcr

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  20. Re:Not much by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 3, Insightful
    15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year......he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

    It is hardly as if he was working 9-5 on this 5 days a week. $60,000 for running automated tools to compromise other peoples machines sounds well worth the short amount of time it would take to set up.

    In fact there is nothing in the article to indicate that he wasn't working a day job and doing the rest in his spare time.

  21. Re:Not much by LordFnord · · Score: 2, Insightful
    With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance

    Maybe so, but there's an important difference between "spending 10+ hours a day commuting/working with a real job" and "spending an hour a week reading reports from your bots".

    he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

    It may also be worth considering how much he could have grown his botnet by the time he was 30, or what other (potentially less risky and more lucrative) illegal activities he could have funded with the profits.

    A criminal lifestyle operates on a totally different risk:reward ratio to a legitimate one. This guy felt the risk was worth the reward, but it didn't work out for him.

  22. If this were a drug-related case by thedbp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They would have already seized all his property, and even if he was found not guilty, he wouldn't get any of it back.

    This guy may very well turn out to be a scumbag, but until a court of law determines him to be a scumbag, I don't think we should be so smug as to cheer for the fed's inalienable right to take whatever it wants from whomever it wants.

  23. 180 Solutions by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is still free and according to TFA even helping the authorities catch their own pushers. So WTF?

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  24. The real problem? by geobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you use our advertising software, you absolutely shall not under any circumstances anyway ever make use of hackbots like the ones at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/code to install our software on any computer you do not own without the express consent of the user. The instructions at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/howto will tell you exactly what you are absolutely not allowed to do under any circumstances anyway ever, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*."

    Forget the small-timers and go after the real problem.

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  25. Obligatory Simpsons quote by vex24 · · Score: 2

    Homer: "This isn't like those other get-rich-quick schemes, Marge. This one's going to make us rich! And quick!"

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