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Vatican Rejects Intelligent Design?
typobox43 writes "A Vatican representative has expressed a defense of the theory of evolution, stating that it is "perfectly compatible" with the Genesis story of creation. "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator"." Of course, it'd probably be best if fundmentalists actually talked to, say, the rabbis who wrote the whole thing down. The Orthodox rabbis I've spoken find it amazingly amusing that people take the creation story as literal truth, rather then a story about YHWH's power.
Thank God for rejecting Intelligent Design!
"I reject your reality and substitute my own." -Adam from MythBusters.
who read that as "Orthodox rabbits"??
It's hard enough to remember my opinions, never mind the reasons for them..
I like to think of ID as the Theory Of Our Own Ignorance (TOOI).
Mr. Science: "Today, class, we are going to test the Theory Of Our Own Ignorance, sometimes also known as Intelligent Design, or ID. OK, who wants to volunteer?"
Johnny: "I will, Mr. Science!"
Mr. Science: "Fine, Johnny. Now, I want you to look at this bird. Do you know what kind of bird this is Johnny?"
Johnny: "Yes, sir. It is a finch."
Mr. Science: "Very good, Johnny! Now, can you tell me how the wings of this bird came to be?"
Johnny: "I suspect that they grew, Mr. Science."
Mr. Science: "No, no, Johnny. I mean, do you know how the wings of this finch evolved?
Johnny: "Gosh, no. No, I don't."
Mr. Science: "Very good, Johnny! You have confirmed my test."
Johnny: "What test is that, Mr. Science?"
Mr. Science: "I was testing to see if you knew how the wings of this bird evolved. The Theory Of Our Own Ignorance predicted that you would not know, and since you did not, this validates our theory - that we do not know how this bird developed wings!"
Class: "Awesome!"
The fundimentalists stopped listening to Jews in A.D 33
dude, That was sarcasm leaving a message on your answering machine.
Stay sentient. Don't drink bad milk.
oh wait...you said Rabbi's
nevermind
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Mod the goddamn parent up!
Be a real patriot: Question authority. Think for yourself. Formulate your own conclusions.
well, compared with the people/beings they usually communicate with, surely it would be easy to talk to someone who did actually exist once?
But OF COURSE the theory of evolution is all wrong!
a sp
Proof: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5001/5001_01.
(make this post either +5 flamebait or -1 informative please.)
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Theories can't be merged because evolution uses slashot forum system and ID uses UBB forum system. Posts are incompatbile with each other.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
The Vatican has also come out against the idea that thunder is caused by angels bowling.
My other sig is extremely clever...
"If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times; stop spouting your bullshit and RTFM!!!"
-- Cardinal Paul Poupard, denouncing Intelligent Design
So what, they should be used to it. Bring me some lions!
M0571y H@rml355.
but the lord of the rings is REAL!!!!
i believe in elves!
Is it sad that I am more likely to recognize you and your posts by your sig than your name or UID?
I think you are remembering a short story by Isaac Asimov, titled 'How It Happpened'.
Link: http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/asimovdo.htm
Men have nipples.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
Did you not click on the link? That's a God-impressing tower if I ever saw one.
I think you need more monkeys - that's still not Shakespeare.
Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
Of course, a previous attempt lead to a typo of "Dog.createUniverse()", to which then all the atomic particles were made of Kibbles 'n Bits (tm), and galaxies were populated by millions of millions of chaseable squirrels orbiting around in giant, stellar circles.
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He tells Man (a special creation that did not come from 'lower' beings) to 'be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth'. He also tells Adam that he is in charge of the brids of the sky and beasts of the ground.
Ah yes, the Intelligent Designer who didn't realize that Adam would need a mate.
It's so plausible!
Now tell me the one about the talking snake.
If I recall corectly, the Pentateuch was writen by Moses as dictated to him by God.
Which, if true, must have been very depressing to Moses, since his death is recorded in the second of the the five books.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Yes, I'm registered member of the Catholic faith
does this mean you get spam from the catholic church? Or do they have a different registration process?
Watch for Penguins, they eat Apples and throw rocks at Windows.
Yeah well, the religious acceptance of such an act is the least of the worries of anyone attempting to commune with the dead.
Really? If you were a Catholic or Fundamentalist, I would think that "this shit is not working" is a considerably less worrisome outcome than "hey, it worked! Now I'm going to burn in Hell forever for practicing witchcraft."
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
"The fundies do NOT know who those rabbis where, but knowing that they can't talk to them, they don't even try to talk to those rabbis who have ACTUALLY studied the Genesis, or read the writings of the first christian bishops and martyrs on the subject."
YES! I agree, well said.
"In other words, the fundies are taking a text they did NOT write, and they claim to be the only ones who know the correct interpretation (i.e. claiming to be something equivalent to a Pope). Under what basis? With what authority?"
YES! I agree, well said.
"As a catholic..."
Um, look at the time...
How pathetic are you that you follow me from topic to topic and waste all your mod points at once modding me down?
But doesn't recent research demonstrate that the Earth is only thousands, not millions, of years old? How can the Vatican ignore something as dependable as the Institute for Creation Research?
I'm so confused....
That's why my sect believes in *only* in literal Biblical text as scanned directly from the original scrolls, converted into electronic form using the Apple Newton's text recognition software, and translated into English by Bablefish. This procedure is completely unbiased, as it has eliminated the possibility of anyone interjecting their own flawed interpretations into the text.
HOW IT HAPPENED - Isaac Asimov
My brother began to dictate in his best oratorical style, the one
which has the tribes hanging on his words.
"In the beginning," he said, "exactly fifteen point two billion
years ago, there was a big bang and the Universe--"
But I had stopped writing. "Fifteen billion years ago?" I said
incredulously.
"Absolutely," he said. "I'm inspired."
"I don't question your inspiration," I said. (I had better not.
He's three years younger than I am, but I don't try questioning his
inspiration. Neither does anyone else or there's hell to pay.) "But are
you going to tell the story of Creation over a period of fifteen billion
years?"
"I have to," said my brother. "That's how long it took. I have it
all here," he tapped his forehead, "and it's on the very highest authority."
By now I had put down my stylus. "Do you know the price of
papyrus?" I said.
"What?" (He may be inspired but I frequently noticed that the
inspiration didn't include such sordid matters as the price of papyrus.)
I said, "Suppose you describe one million years of events to each
roll of papyrus. That means you'll have to fill fifteen thousand rolls.
You'll have to talk long enough to fill them and you know that you begin to
stammer after a while. I'll have to write enough to fill them and my fingers
will fall off. And even if we can afford all that papyrus and you have the
voice and I have the strength, who's going to copy it? We've got to have a
guarantee of a hundred copies before we can publish and without that where
will we get the royalties from?"
My brother thought a while. He said, "You think I ought to cut it
down?"
"Way down," I said, "if you expect to reach the public."
"How about a hundred years?" he said.
"How about six days?" I said.
He said, horrified, "You can't squeeze Creation into six days."
I said, "This is all the papyrus I have. What do YOU think?"
"Oh well," he said, and began to dictate again, "In the beginning --
Does it have to be six days, Aaron?"
I said, firmly, "Six days, Moses."
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Taking that Law, we can now turn to the most famous equation in the world, E=MC^2. This states that Energy is equals to Matter, times the square of a Constant. Energy and Matter are interchangable: Energy can turn into Matter, Matter can turn into Energy. When combined with the Principle of Conservation of Energy, you get this statement:
"Energy AND Matter can neither be created nor destroyed."
Now that we have established that, we can turn to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states:
"All work processes tend towards a greater entropy (disorder/lower energy density) over time."
The universe is getting more disordered and more simplified, as dictated by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. However, the theory of Evolution has the basic principle that everything is getting more organized and more complex.
My arguments summarized:
1. The Big Bang cannot be true as it contradicts the First Law of Thermodynamics.
2. Evolution cannot be true as it contradicts the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
My opinion on the universe:
1. The universe started as a complex and orderly living entity, which, over time, began to expand. As it aged, it began to expand, and the life began to DEVOLVE until it reached our current state, humans. You can even witness this devolving process. Think. 10 or so years ago, we didn't have so many hurricanes, earthquakes, or other devastating natural disasters. People are becoming stupider by the day.
2. As for where the entire mass of atoms came from, either there is a God(which is possible), or the universe has always existed, and there in some incomprehensible way, time started a billion years back, and the universe came into existence with time. And remember this. There might be something larger than a universe...
References:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/6e.h tml f .html d ynamics d ynamics.html
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1
http://www.taftan.com/thermodynamics/FIRST.HTM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermo
http://www.entropysite.com/students_approach.html
http://www.secondlaw.com/
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/370.asp
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermo
This is what I understand the laws to mean...if I'm wrong, by all means, correct me...
Listen, Catholics aren't Christians ...or Americans. Enjoy the pit, Benedict! MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
Someone at the Vatican read some Dan Brown and came up with a new theory.
There was no octopus, spider, bee, or ant on Noah's ark... Again, this is only implied. But the bible is meant to be taken purely at face value, right?
This presents and interesting concept.
Yahweh (to the other gods): Hey guys, I need to reformat the Earth. Any objections?
Other gods: No, just make sure you back up our stuff.
Yahweh: Okay, no problem. I'll just have this guy named Noah take care of it.
(Forty days later)
Yahweh (to the god who created unicorns): Um.... I have some bad news....
On another note, I have often expressed the idea that there is ample evidence of multiple gods.... Look at the universe and tell me, honestly, that this doesn't look like the work of a committee.
www.wavefront-av.com
I"M not sure of this is a joke, but that might be the funniest site I have ever read. its like FUD for the religious masses.
(what the hell do you call someone from Kansas anyway?)
Pretty soon, we'll call them "Uneducated."
But, I for one welcome our Intelligent Designing overlords!
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Ah, but here is the flaw in your hypothesis.... You cannot disprove the existance of God in the same way that I cannot prove His existance.
...unless of course the Babelfish exists....
The Babelfish is proof of the non-existance of God.
God: I refuse to prove I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.
Man: but the babelfish is a dead giveaway isnt it? it could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you dont.
God: oh dear, i hadnt thought of that.
*God disappears in a puff of logic.*
The actual rabbis that wrote the whole thing down were unavailable for comment.
Wow, and they give Star Trek geeks shit for spending so much time reading and thinking about a fictional history?
I'll see your Jesus and raise you a Spock.
CB.
"Doctor, it's not the voices I hear in MY head, but the voices I hear in YOUR head that really frighten me."
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No you see, you are just reading the words wrong. The bible is completely accurate when you can make the words mean whatever you want. Fricken infidels.
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Well the Book of Mormon is newer... and all those people being inspired by God writing stuff, and of course the Pope...
[yep. I'm a non-believer]