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Intel Roadmap Update: The Art of Naming Processors

THG writes "CoolTechZone.com has compiled a list of Intel processors from its roadmaps, and discusses Intel's naming convention. According to the article, 'Gone are the days when processor names were something as simple as their clock speeds. If you wanted a nice and powerful 3GHz processor, you simply asked for a P4 3.0GHz and that was it. Ever since Intel has decided to revamp its naming conventions, the confusion makes you wonder if the whole idea of renaming was a smart move. Moving on with Intel and it's desktop endeavors, the problem is that if the names were as simple as stated above, we would've somehow managed to figure them all out. But someone at Intel obviously wanted to ensure that we don't remember processor names without having a 100-page manual on product families, so there are modifications to each series, which may or may not be consistent across different series.'"

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  1. Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is only going to get more and more confusing with multi-core. Users are going to have to distinguish not only based on clock speed, but number of processors, and with HT (number of logical processors). Add to that the fact that it is unclear what advantages these multiple cores have with current client operating systems, given that there aren't too many true multi-threaded applications out there, and this becomes bewildering for even a savvy consumer.

  2. Real speed != clock speed by JimBowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason for scrapping clock speeds in favour of these 'strange' naming conventions is not confusion, it is to help people realise that clock speed does NOT indicate how fast a processor is.
    If people thought that a 3GHz celeron is as fast as a 3GHz P4 with HT, or indeed a 3GHz Athlon64, then they would be very confused indeed.
    Many people did think this though, before the new naming conventions applied, so I think it is a good thing.

    1. Re:Real speed != clock speed by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's also a good sign that people don't have a fucking clue WHAT they need and they only buy the higher number because of small penis syndrome.

      I mean honestly try to explain to someone that a $50 Sempron running at 1.4Ghz would do them just fine for writing Word documents, playing solitaire and doing email. Then keep a straight face when they ask "why don't I buy this 3.2Ghz Dell computer?" Sure there are a lot of gamers/developers out there that need the juice but there are still a huge amount of people who have already overpowered boxes for what they are doing.

      Personally I think the number system is ok. It's quick to learn and easy to differentiate product lines. I think Intel actually did a good thing with it.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Real speed != clock speed by pintpusher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would agree, but what you fail to realise is that these consumers a planning ahead. They know that they'll use this machine for 2-3 years at least before upgrading. They also know that they'll be so riddled with spyware at the halfway point that they NEED that extra 1.7 GHz just to pull through.

      on a serious note though, I keep trying to convince my mother to switch to linux on her crappy little laptop. All she does with it is surf and email and if she'd just ditch that bloated MS and put in a nice light-weight WM, she'd be really happy. And no, this is NOT OT because she has plenty of proc. and memory for what she does, but too much OS for her machine. ugh.

      oh wait, this isn't a "put linux on old crappy laptop thread"? oh well.

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    3. Re:Real speed != clock speed by swanriversean · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If people are confussed by Intel's naming convensions, and its causing problems for Intel's sales (say people are just buying AMD instead) then it is only what Intel deserved! They've been peddling the clock speed myth for years and so if it is starting to hurt their bottom line, they made the bed ... Anyway, based on recent talk from the company and Apple's switch, I'm sure the next metric they will be selling everyone on as being the only one to worry about is performance per watt. These awkward names may even be planned to make people forget about how clock speed used to be so important before they start the PPW campaign. I wouldn't put it past a marketer.

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    4. Re:Real speed != clock speed by JimBowen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Performance per watt? Intel?
      Not likely...

      The pentium D is putting out as much as 233 watts.. (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=145&type=exp ert&pid=17)
      Compared to 89 watts on the athlon X2. (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/200508011/athlon_ 64_x2_3800-03.html)

      Maybe they should label them according to number of bogomips or mflops instead?

    5. Re:Real speed != clock speed by VeryProfessional · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What consumers don't seem to realise is that PC's don't get slower as they age. If it's fine for using Word and surfing the web now, it will be fine in two years' time. Unless the consumer anticipates their needs changing, they are wating their money by 'planning ahead'.

      Probably about to start a 'reverse penis size' thread here, but I can get by very nicely with my 466 MHz G4 tower which I use mainly for web, email, terminal sessions and occasionally Word/Excel. It's every bit as fast as the day I got it.

  3. The loser always wants to hide. by r00t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are behind in GHz, avoid discussing it.

    If you are behind in benchmarks, avoid discussing it. (Look! GHz!)

    If you are behind in low-power, avoid discussing it.

    If your expensive flagship "server" CPU is only 2% faster
    than the gamer version, avoid discussing EVERYTHING that
    could possibly matter.

    Grrrr.... I wish I could force them to include SPEC benchmark
    numbers in the processor names. Put the lowest number first,
    then a "-", and then the highest number. Slimy bastards always
    hide from the light.

  4. Re:Why would you want a 3Ghz CPU? by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Intel's architecture is deep pipe but few IPC. So pretty much clockspeed is performance.

    The problem isn't the idea of renaming, its how they did so. AMD's renaming is simple- higher number, higher performance. Dual core is called an x2. ^4 bit is called just that.

    Intel's renaming scheme- umm, I really can't find a pattern in it.

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  5. Re:All Intel has been doing... by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a female, I take offense to this. I believe the smell is closer to tuna fish. :)

  6. AMD by Serff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't AMD start the whole thing? We could also blame Apple for starting the conversation of the "Mega Hertz Myth" too. But I like those 2 companies, so lets just blame Microsoft for the whole thing instead. ;)

  7. Intel is being evasive about true performance by tomcres · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem is that Intel is using an arbitrary numbering scheme which has absolutely nothing to do with any objective measure of performance. Their numbers simply refer to the relative number of features and relative speed of processors within the same family. This makes it impossible to compare processors across different brands. A Celeron-D 560 is not going to necessarily be as fast as a Pentium-D 320, but you'd never know by the numbers. On top of which, you'd never know that the -D in Celeron-D is for "desktop" whereas the -D in Pentium-D is for "dual-core." Of course, we techies know this, but this is Intel's way of deliberately misleading consumers.

    AMD, on the other hand, uses a P-number which is directly comparable across processor lines and uses an established standard of a 1GHz Athlon Thunderbird = P1000. Everything else is relative to that. So you know right off the bat that an Athlon64 3000+ is only marginally faster than a Sempron 2800+, you don't have to play games like with Intel.

  8. It's irrelevant by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The only people who really care about a processor's specifics (bus speeds, cache sizes, clock speed, etc) are techies. Techies don't just walk into a store, grab a CPU off the shelf and pay for it. They actually research what they're buying and decide on what they want to buy *long* before they actually begin th purchasing process. So, since it's easy to find out which marketing names match up with which processor features, it doesn't really matter what their marketing names are.

    Added to that, any techie for which it's a matter of importance (eg: the bloke at your local computer fixit shop, 14 year old gamerz) will have memorised which marketing name has which processor features within hours of them being released, lest they not appear to be l33t enough.

    Everyone else just picks a price point and then buys whichever machine is at that price point the salesman tells them is best.

  9. Re:Intel's naming scheme is convenient by Nik13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AMD's naming system may not be the best, but I like their rating system. Clueless n00bs have been complaining that they were "cheating" by not giving the actual clock speed (which alone means very little). You can tell approximately how much faster is a specific chip over another one they sell using that (and an equivalent P4 somewhat). It's not totally accurate, but you know a 4200+ will be about twice as fast as my old Athlon XP 2100+ or a P4 2.0GHz. Anyone can buy a chip using a system like that.

    Whereas with the current Intel chips... Model numbers (a 519? how fast is that really?), different sockets, different FSBs, different cache sizes, different cores, different intructions sets (SS3 or not, EMT64 or not), dual core or not... You can't easily tell how fast one is over the other ones (nor can you tell easily which ones run cooler). They're finally victim of their own GHz ratings and they got nothing to go by anymore (as a measure of relative speed) it seems. Unless you're following their offerings closely (most people aren't), then it's pretty hard to pick one.

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