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Software Predicts Music Success

Frankenbuffer writes "The Globe and Mail today reports that MIT researchers have developed a computer program to analyze pop music and predict how people will react to it. The method, developed at MIT's Media Laboratory, analyzes the pitch, rhythm, and other characteristics of music. What makes the technology unusual is that it also takes into account social responses to hit music gathered from weblogs, chat rooms, music reviews, and other online discussions, and correlates this data to the music to guage the popularity of a particular sound. According to the researchers, the software has accurately predicted Billboard hits for the past several months."

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  1. great... by esoteric0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    the record labels are going to get ahold of this and turn it around to actually produce the music. then it will all sound the same.

    wait....

    1. Re:great... by Seumas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Now if only someone could produce an piece of code that analyzed slashdot submissions and weeded out duplicates like this one. You know, news that Slashdot did last year.

    2. Re:great... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can just see Sonda Bullock and Sylvester Stallone discussing this over nachos at Taco Bell:

      Stallone: "You know, it's odd that all your music sounds like Britney Spears."

      Bullock: "Well, after the Great DRM Wars of 2030, all music is Britney Spears."

      Stallone: "Oh my God!"

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    3. Re:great... by rust42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A (quite successful)songwriter in Australia was recently interviewed and said he had worked out the basics of writing a hit,e.g. so many bars intro, chorus of such and such type etc. and had proved it worked. Now his aim was to write hits and popular songs that fell outside that specification.

    4. Re:great... by BrainInAJar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite the opposite, actually.

      If it rates them high, it means it does a pretty good job of guessing at what kind of tripe the masses'll buy up, which is my understanding of what it's supposed to do

  2. Indie Artists by punkdigerati · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can Independant artists who want to see how well their songs are going to do be able to use this software for themselves?

    1. Re:Indie Artists by ianjk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Remember, this is for analysis of "pop" music. Kind of a contrast from what most indie artists are shooting for.

  3. More targetted version by kebes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not sure I care whether or not this software can predict the next pop craze... but I wouldn't mind a more personalized version. Maybe something that analyzes my mp3 collection, and then automatically checks new releases and looks for tracks that correlate well with my preferences? It would be nice to have a system that pulls out the things I'm most interested in. And a piece of software would be more impartial than the media executives and promoters who want to sell me the "next big sound."

    I think lots of people would love something like that. If iTunes automatically integrated technology like that, I think it would be a hit. And best of all, it would level the playing field. Small bands could "get noticed" by the common person if their sound was something that the given person liked.

    1. Re:More targetted version by dduardo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try pandora.com. Enter a band or song you like and it will find similar music. Also, if you look inside the cache folder you'll find mp3s of all the songs you've heard through the site.

    2. Re:More targetted version by wolenczak · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can create a profile in audioscrobbler (last.fm). I've discovered lots of new sounds that turned out to be what i was looking for.

      http://www.last.fm/user/paco_cotera/

  4. Now If by miyako · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if they could just crack the algorithm the music industry uses to generate music, all of the geeks of the world could create free music that sounds just like Britny Spears/P Dilldy dooldy whatever/Pop or Rap Group D'jour....
    No wait, on second thought I'd rather keep my sanity.
    Joking aside, this sort of research might be interesting from a psychological point of view. If they've developed an algorith that can tell what music is "good" it seems like with some proper research it might provide some insite into the way the brain process music, which could help scientists to better understand the way the brain interprets patterns, etc. If such an algorithm could be used to generate "good" music, it might be useful for things like games, where the game could provide parameters based on what's going on, and algorithmically generate appropriate music.

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  5. So what's the big deal? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to the researchers, the software has accurately predicted Billboard hits for the past several months.

    Hell, I can do that. My friends have noticed that, for a long time, any piece of popular music that I can't stand to hear becomes a hit. Hm ... maybe I'm in the wrong business.

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  6. This is BAD! by BalorTFL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not the first such program, and I suspect it shares the failing of its predecessors... It will not predict new trends, it will only follow existing ones. The more it is used to decide if an artist is going to be promoted, the less variety we will see in the music world. When new artists can no longer make it unless they are cookie-cutter copies of current acts (which has arguably already happened), the mainstream music scene will cease to evolve, and the really progressive, groundbreaking groups with a chance to become superstars and jumpstart new genres will be buried even farther under a pile of sameness.

  7. What does this mean... by SeanMon · · Score: 5, Funny

    for up-and-coming artists? Music companies will be able to use this to pay artists less because the computer doesn't like their music.

    MAL (Music AnaLyzer): "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I don't like that."

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  8. I wrote one too by ShakaUVM · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wrote a predictor too. It's a neural net, actually.

    int music_predictor(int artist_type,float rhythm, int genre, int tempo, int male_or_female, int quality, int singing_quality, int band_quality, int number_of_band_members) {
            if (artist_type == BIG_NAME_POP_ARTIST_WITH_STUDIO_BACKING)
                    return true;
            else
                    return false;
    }

    Ok, so it's a one-axon neural net. But it gets 99%+ accuracy.

  9. Can only predict hits inline with current trends by whiplashx · · Score: 3, Insightful
    By analyzing existing trends and statistics, the software can predict and identify trends, but I would imagine its a much harder (or possibly impossible) task to predict 1st or 2nd order derivatives, IE, the new directions musical trends will take.

    On a personal level, I think we're going to head into an era where experimentation and unique sounds will be cherished. We've been listening to this sort of tin-pan alley redux for about 10-20 years now, and a lot of people sense discomfort with the existing pop music trends. Look at the 40s-70s and I think you'll see the same sort of musical revolution in the next 30 years.

  10. Oh, let me say it this time! by pegr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dupe! ;)

    1. Re:Oh, let me say it this time! by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Informative
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  11. obBritneySpears by Octagon+Most · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We don't need software to predict how many posts will mention Britney Spears even though she faded away years ago. She's no longer an appropriate proxy for manufactured pop music. Pay attention people. It's 50 Cent's world, we just live in it.

  12. Re:I, for one... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    robotic taste-shaping overlords

    Most people don't know it, but that level of technological sophistication was achieved nearly a century ago.

    Nowadays, we call them "studio executives". They used to work reasonably well, but nobody has updated their programming since 1957.

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  13. Killing art? Not really. by dex.pdx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even though a system such as this would seem to have the logical result of killing the art of music, it simply can not.

    As a musician I have noticed that the more I study music theory (theory is really just the language to describe music) the more I come to realize that almost all music is the same. You can spot similarities between four hundred year old classics and current "Indie"/Pop/Rock/Whatever, the connection is there.

    So what might you ask makes it different?

    The style makes it different. The way the individual artist performs/arranges/records a piece. Not to mention that lyrical content adds a whole new dimension?

    Saying something like this will ruin the art of music is like saying that the grammar checker in any document editor ruins the art of writing. Though it is neat that a program could possible sort out "popular" music, which just means it's able to emulate the human ear just a little bit.

  14. Greg Egan wrote a story somewhat along these lines by joe+user+jr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Excerpt:
    When they started making music straight from the Azciak Polls, everybody howled about the Death of Art -- as if the process was anything new, anything more than an efficient closure of what had been happening for years. Groups were already assembled on the basis of elaborate market research. The Azciak Probes were already revealing people's tastes in breakfast cereals, politicians, and rock stars. Why not scan the brains of the populace, discover precisely what music they'd be willing to pay for, and then manufacture it -- all in a single, streamlined process, with no human intervention required? From the probes buried in a random sample of twenty thousand representative skulls, to the construction of the virtual bands (down to mock biographies, and all the right birthmarks and tattoos), to the synthesis of photorealist computer-animated videos, accessible for a suitable fee ... the music industry had finally achieved its long-cherished goal: cutting out everyone but the middleman.
    Ok, a little less prosaic than the item under discussion, but an interesting read...

    Read the whole story, at: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/worth.htm

    If you're interested, Greg Egan's site: http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/

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  15. The most stunning revelation by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 5, Funny

    The secret to success is apparently: more cowbell.

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  16. Obvious comment :-) by Crouty · · Score: 3, Insightful
    the record labels are going to get ahold of this and turn it around to actually produce the music. then it will all sound the same.
    Well, this was the most obvious comment to the subject. I am sure, the record labels will be very interested in using this analysis to synthesize elements of hit records. But this is a much more difficult task than it may sound. It is hard enough to identify the elements that makes a song successful.

    Trying to shape a song so it becomes successful has been tried many times before - with unsatisfying success. On a higher level it led to the categories of music we know today, like Blues, Trance, Metal, etc.. On a lower level we see follow-ups to first hits, that use the same kind of harmonies, rhythm and sounds. But there still are a lot of songs that become successful not because they sound the same like other songs but because they are innovative, think Kraftwerk or Nirvana.

    Music trends are a system between unification and diversification. The more songs sound alike, the more people will appreciate songs that differ and vice versa. This system is very hard to predict. I am sure the music industry tries to predict it and synthesize hit records and I think this is why there are so few truely creative artists with a contract from a major record label.

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