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Sony Completes First Full-Length Blu-ray Disc

john writes "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment announced that authoring has been completed on the first Blu-ray Disc (BD) to contain a full-length, high-definition feature film. Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle was compressed and authored in MPEG 2 full high-definition (1920 x 1080) and is now being shipped to BD hardware companies for player testing."

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  1. I could have saved 48 hours of my life! by dada21 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how long it took for Sony to transcode the AVI torrent they downloaded off of The Pirate Bay into the format needed for a BD-ROM.

    Had I known they were releasing this awesome movie in Hi-Def format, I'd probably have just skipped the download and just let them do the work.

  2. Complete with rootkit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    No annoying dialogs just seamless integration

  3. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the companies the discs were shipped to asked sony to confirm in writing that the disks infact did not contain any rootkit that would damage their systems.

  4. Clever choice of material by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 5, Funny

    At first I was horrified that such an absurdly bad movie was chosen for this "honor." But then I thought about the current market for this stuff: geeky guys. I suppose it makes sense, but they probably could do better with porn.

  5. Well, Blu-Ray is dead. by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Funny

    With all the films they had to choose from the one they pick to show Charlie's Angels 2? Nice way to kill the format.

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    1. Re:Well, Blu-Ray is dead. by krbvroc1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not sure how big the Sony catalog is. But a few that they had that would have been better was 'A Knights Tale', 'Spider-Man', 'Spider-Man 2'. Hell, 'Kermits' Swamp Years' would have been better than Charlies Angels 2. That movie was soooo bad.

    2. Re:Well, Blu-Ray is dead. by Spodie! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sony has the largest catalog in Hollywood with the recent acquisition of MGM. BTW, the next Blu-ray disc is going to be House of Flying Daggers.

  6. So now we see the real reason for high def by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    of all the films they could have chosen, they chose the one with the most boobs.....Good choice!

  7. I understand... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that they would have been able to get this out sooner but had to overcome a lack of space caused by the oversized rootkit included.

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    1. Re:I understand... by neoform · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, it's not the rootkit's fault it's fat! Leave it alone!

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  8. and who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will be brave/stupid enough to put the first Sony blue-ray DVD in his (not yet existing) blue-ray-DVD-drive?

    1. Re:and who by roseblood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's a SONY Blue-ray-DVD-drive then the rootkit comes in the firmware and drivers. No fear from a disk based rootkit.

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  9. Why MPEG2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i would have thought that we would have moved onto MPEG4-- This is a cutting edge media ;-) They could fit much more data with a better compression method.

    1. Re:Why MPEG2 by Bad+Boy+Marty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, you don't get it. They don't want to put more data or better data on the disc. It only needs to have enough space to hold the lowest resolution they can get away with so that it will forever provide a tolerable experience, thus forcing people to spend $10/person to watch new movies in a theater. From the perspective of the content providers, you exist only to be raped.

      Are any of you smart enough to vote with your wallets?

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    2. Re:Why MPEG2 by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wondered, too.
      Especially considering that hd-dvd wont use mpeg4, but straight go to h264...
      Under that light, the "larger disc space" argument for blue-ray becomes a moot point, quickly.
      I would rather have a 10GB h264 file than a 20GB mpeg2...

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    3. Re:Why MPEG2 by beavis88 · · Score: 4, Informative

      FWIW, H.264 = MPEG4 Part 10. Different standards organizations, different names, same end result.

    4. Re:Why MPEG2 by tepples · · Score: 2

      FWIW, H.264 = MPEG4 Part 10.

      True, but what we sometimes think of as "MPEG-4 video" is Simple Profile video or Advanced Simple Profile video. These were specified in MPEG-4 Part 2 as low-complexity alternatives to MPEG-4 Advanced Video Codec (also called H.264).

  10. Re:Great. A movie I never wanted to see anyway. by PsychicX · · Score: 3, Funny

    The rest of the news story, which slashdot didn't report: However, upon attempting to show the disc in public, Sony found that entire meeting rooms were vacated almost instantly. It seems no one wants anything to do with Blu-Ray, or even wants to be in the same room to see the disc play. Sony execs are still trying to figure out why.

  11. 1080p or 1080i by Physician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is the movie being produced in 1080i or 1080p format? What format will most movies be released in?

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    1. Re:1080p or 1080i by dada21 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Blu Ray video format specifies the maximum read capability of 36 megabits/second. The encoding codec used will allow content creators to compress nearly any resolution as long as it won't surpass 36 megabits/second.

      I'm guessing we'll see 1080i as that is compatible with almost every HD TV out there. The format just specifies what video formats to use, it won't force anyone to stick to those resolutions.

  12. Boycott Sony by dan+of+the+north · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Not forever, just until January 02 /06

    If Sony misses out on the Christmas rush perhaps they, and the rest of the E! industry, will figure out that their customers don't like to be harrassed.

    Columbia Records, Epic Records, Legacy Recordings, Sony Classical, Sony Nashville, Sony Wonder, Sony Ericsson, Sony Music, Sony Pictures, Sony Electronics & PlayStation.

    1. Re:Boycott Sony by quarkscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMHO, Sony deserves more "pain and suffering" than just a boycott until January 02, 2006. Based upon (1) their membership positions (leading) within the RIAA and MPAA, and (2) their blatantly illegal use of spyware/malware DRM, I will not be purchasing ANY SONY-branded PRODUCTS for at least until 2007.

      If enough consumers "vote with their dollars", not only SONY will get the message, but so will the other members of the **AA. Who knows, maybe even "our*" (*not really ours) legislators will get the message. There used to be something called "fair use" under copyright law that has been turned upside-down by DMCA. The currently inevitable emergence of personal computers and consumer electronics with embedded DRM, as well as the upcoming MS Windows (DRM Edition AKA Vista), "fair use" will be a fond distant memory.

  13. Who is telling the truth? by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't Microsoft and its colleagues say that the Blue Ray technology from SONY is more than a year away, and that it's not viable? Sony here disproves that. My problem with Sony is that I see Microsoft tendencies in it as well.

    1. Re:Who is telling the truth? by el+americano · · Score: 2, Informative

      Among the problems they were claiming was that they could not yet be easily and cheaply mass produced, and that it still hasn't achieved its promised 40+ GB of storage outside of the lab.

      A single-layer blue ray disc can fit 23-27GB. A dual-layer disc will be able to hold 46-54GB.

      If they burned a single-layer disc, then this doesn't disprove anything, and if it's dual-layer, they should do a print run of a several thousand. This was just a stunt to try to change public perception. Good luck with that, Sony.

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    2. Re:Who is telling the truth? by blincoln · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That was a bit of a stretch, but a lot of people interpreted it the way you did.

      You can actually buy Blu-Ray writer/players in Japan, and at least one person is selling them and the blank discs on eBay.

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  14. It makes sense by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all it's one of those spectacular blockbuster type movies with lots of explosions. So it'll be a good test for what the format is capable of. Second, and this is key, they won't have to worry about anybody trying to pirate the first Blu Ray disc because nobody will want it :)

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  15. so bad by ZhuLien · · Score: 3, Funny

    The reason they chose this movie is obvious. It's so bad, no-one would want to copy it.

  16. hi-def porn = just say no! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's the _last_ thing anyone wants in hi-def. Trust me - you _really_ don't want to see those people accurately.

  17. MPEG-2? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is Blu-ray using MPEG-2? Wouldn't they get higher def or longer movies if they standardized around XVID or some other variant of MPEG-4? It seems like a terrible waste.

  18. Is this better than 1080i? by EMIce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will this look any better than a movie broadcast in 1080i and played back on an HDTV with 3:2 pulldown detection? I was under the impression that the pull-up done to convert 24fps film into interlaced video is completely reversible, and so 1080 progressive quality is already available through 1080i broadcasts.

    It will be nice to have discs of HD content eventually, but I don't see what is so impressive that makes this worthy of coverage.

    1. Re:Is this better than 1080i? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you believe the 1080i broadcast of that 30mm film was actually in 1080i and not just upsampled from the DVD version, you're probably mistaken.

      TV broadcasts that are actually 720p or 1080i really are HDTV. DVDs are higher resolution than normal broadcast television but they're not HD. This is the first movie published on disc (not ripped) that is actually in HD as source material.

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    2. Re:Is this better than 1080i? by pilardi · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a common misconception that there are only 2 HDTV formats (1080i and 720p) there are in fact 6 in the ATSC standard that vary by resolution and framerate:

      720p24, 720p30, 720p60, 1080p24, 1080p30, 1080i60.

      It is most likely that HD movies will be released in 1080p24, since the source material is 24fps (film). Encoding it at 60fps would be a waste of bandwidth.

      See: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html

  19. Test cases with different codecs by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With all the buzz around H.264 (possibly due to me having a Mac), I would have thought they would have used something different....

    Sony is probably using different Columbia/Tristar films to test different codecs (MPEG-2, H.264, and WMV9) to be included in each player's firmware. This makes error reporting easier: "Charlie's Angels screwed up" means a problem with one codec, and "Stealth screwed up" means a problem with another.

  20. Angels indeed by FSFunky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care what anyone says I will gladly watch Drew Barrymore in 1920x1080.

  21. DRM and consumer backlash by TheRealFritz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's amazing that the mainstream media don't cover the coming era of DRM more. A true failure of the press in my opinion. Their responsibility would be to cover this topic in laymen's terms to make it understandable to the masses. This should make the nightly news instead of a review of your latest and greatest toothpaste. As it is, the public doesn't know about this and lawmakers don't understand it, so the content companies have a relatively easy time pushing their legislative agendas.

    Personally, I can't wait for DRM to become widely used so that consumers are faced with a limitation of their rights.

    Content companies need to learn that people like to consume. DRM is a barrier to consumption and thus doesn't make business sense. A great early example of this was Circuit City's Divx system which flopped very quickly.

    Once consumers realize what's happening, DRM as we know it today will hopefully go the way of the Dodo.
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  22. Kinda makes sense. by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Second, and this is key, they won't have to worry about anybody trying to pirate the first Blu Ray disc because nobody will want it :)"

    Yes, because just everybody has the abilitiy to read bluray and burn it, chortle-chortle.

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  23. BD-ROM by News+for+nerds · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Blu Ray video format specifies the maximum read capability of 36 megabits/second. The encoding codec used will allow content creators to compress nearly any resolution as long as it won't surpass 36 megabits/second.

    Actually it's inaccurate.
    The transfer rate for BD-ROM video application is 54Mbps (1.5x speed) according to the official BD-ROM physical format whitepaper:

    3: Data rate
    For high-definition movies a much higher data rate is needed than for standard definition.
    With the BD format's choices for both NA and wavelength we have been able to realize a
    format with 5X higher data rate while only doubling the rotation rate of DVD-ROM discs.
    The following numbers offer a comparison:
    Data bit length: 111.75 nm (25GB) (267 nm for DVD)
    Linear velocity: 7.367 m/s (Movie application) (3.49 m/s for DVD).
    User data transfer rate: 53.948 Mbit/s (Movie application) (10.08 Mbps for DVD)
    The BD system has the potential for future higher speed drives.

  24. Plotless by Dog135 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They chose it because it's one of those movies that's better seen then heard.

    My wife's deaf, but she still likes to go the the theater every once in a while. Just goes to show how important plot is in today's movies.

    Funny thing, she liked Starwars EP1 better BEFORE she saw it captioned.
    "Is the caption messed up, or is Jar-Jar retarded?"

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    1. Re:Plotless by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll tell you what - compare the dialogue of Jar-Jar Binks to that of any character in any Harry Potter book (which was also always for kids), and tell me again how brilliant a writer of dialogue Lucas is (we're talking about dialogue, here, because that's what the fellow's wife was shocked by - the subtitles). Episode III was good. Episode II was ok. Episode I was a video game commercial with dialogue a six year old would find painful. Better yet, just watch that whole "Tell me, Master Qui-Gon, what are midicholorians?" exchange and tell me that was written by someone with a clue about exposition and plotting.

  25. Re:Who cares? by sgent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both formats have DRM -- true. But only one format has a company behind it with a recent history of installing backdoors to enforce and monitor DRM. They lied once, they wondered why anyone should care, they haven't yet apologized, and they want me to adopt their technology? I don't know about you, but I don't like opening massive holes in my servers. Microsoft isn't exactly golden, but they haven't done anything recent to piss me off. Nor have they done something quite so atrocious -- what Sony has done to date with their Rootkit issues far outweighs (IMHO) anything Microsoft has done with their monopoly. One is criminal, the other civil.

  26. DVDs are 480i, not 480p by Phong · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a common misconception about DVDs. In actuality, all video DVDs contain interlaced fields, with no exceptions (I remember an old Usenet posting by Chad Fogg that explained why the MPEG 2's progressive-video flag was not supported). Thus, movies are stored as 480i @ 48 fields per second, and, for "normal" TVs, are translated into into 480i @ 60 fields per second for display. A progressive DVD player has to unify the fields for display, and while this is trivial to do for film, the resulting video does not have quite as high of a vertical resolution as true 480p video is capable of because the 480i video was filtered for interlaced display (this removes twitter on interlaced TVs -- e.g. a bright dot on a single line would flicker at 30 updates/sec, so that is not allowed to happen).

    So, the difference between 480p@24 and 480i@48 is just a slight loss of vertical resolution (not to be confused with lines), but the difference is there.

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    1. Re:DVDs are 480i, not 480p by DCstewieG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually I think you're both right. Your progressive DVDs are in fact interlaced on the disc...you admitted this. When played on a normal, non-HDTV (or rather, a TV without component video and doesn't support progressive...I think there are non-HD sets that support it), it stays interlaced. It's only when the DVD player is set for progressive mode that it applies 3:2 pulldown, thus returning to a full-res 24p.

      So basically, as far as the actual video data is concerned, everything is indeed interlaced. But the end result can be interlaced or progressive.

    2. Re:DVDs are 480i, not 480p by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's only when the DVD player is set for progressive mode that it applies 3:2 pulldown, thus returning to a full-res 24p.

      So, you have absolutely everything the exact opposite of what it really is. Soft-telecined material is stored as 23.976fps progressive, with soft-telecine fields in the video. To play it back at 59.98Hz, the player must perform the 3:2 pulldown process. For progressive display, you just need to ignore those flags, you don't need to rebuild or reverse anything, since it is already a frame.

      It's only in the case of hard-telecined material (uncommon on DVDs) that it's stored interlaced, and needs 2:3 pullup (inverse telecine) to be displayed progressive. Hard-telecined is what you get with TV broadcasts, since it need to be broadcast as interlaced fields. There it's really a set of 60 interlaced fields per second, and needs to be reversed for progressive-scan display.
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  27. Sony - The hits just keep on coming! by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Interesting
    First the rootkit debacle, now first Blu-ray Disc (BD) to contain a full-length, high-definition feature film. Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle

    Sony Entertainment needs to clean house. Sell off the movie studios and record company. Fire the bean counter CEO and replace him with an engineer and go back to making the very best electronic devices in the world.

    Follow up the rootkit with Charlie's Angels. F'ing brilliant.

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  28. Hey, I already made a MPEG-2 HD DVD feature! by benwaggoner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've only JUST NOW finished the first completed disc? Crazy

      I was bored this summer, and made a feature-length HD DVD using MPEG-2 and Apple's DVD Studio Pro 4. In a weekend. Targeting DVD-9 media. Looked pretty good, and would have looked great if DVDSP4 supported using H.264 for 1080 content, or VC-1 at all.

    I can't share that disc image unfortunately, but I can, once again, share this link to a HD DVD disc image I made before I tried the feature. A mix of MPEG-2 and H.264, 720 and 1080, i and p. Plays back perfectly in DVD Player 4.6 on a G5 Mac, and probably in other software players as well.

    http://216.99.212.233:6969/torrents/HD_DVD_TEST.dm g.torrent?1C6B407CD6671B2BB03F55C49D67CEB584A74D90

  29. Re:Why would you believe sony? by iso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not a stunt. I work at a company where I'm actively involved in Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD) related development. We need to be getting these discs (actually we needed them months ago) to verify a lot of the work we're doing, and to make sure we're optimizing in the right place. Blu-Ray may still be a ways off, but a lot of the software and hardware development needs well underway now to make that happen.

  30. No, this was an important step! by spywhere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With all the films they had to choose from the one they pick to show Charlie's Angels 2? Nice way to kill the format.

    This was a necessary test of the format:
    there was concern whether something that awful would stick to a Blu-Ray DVD.

  31. CAN you say LOCK IN by andydread · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The blue-ray format is Sonys attmept to lockup the market and remove the ability to record out of the hands of the comsumer and small musician/studio. they tried it with the DVD format and was partially sucessful. Now with the fully encrypted blue-ray cd and the fact that it deliberately difficult to record data to, the consumer will suffer. It is designed in such a way that only very expensive (licensed) equipment can write to the disc. This is a very consumer unfriendly format and I for one will not give Sony the Draconians any more of my money in any way shape or form. Remember If you buy Sony products you are a criminal. At least Sony thinks so.