Slashdot Mirror


Space.com's Top 10 Space Movies of All Time

Comatose51 writes "Space.com has posted a Top 10 Space Movies of All Time list based on reader ratings on each movie. Apollo 13 is currently the #1 movie, followed by Star Trek: First Contact at #2, and Wrath of Khan at #3. I was surprised by Apollo 13 at #1, since I initially equated space movies with sci-fi. However, I don't disagree with it. What do other Slashdotters think, or suggest as good space movies?"

40 of 539 comments (clear)

  1. Serenity! by PsychicX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think Serenity hasn't been around long enough to sink in to the culture properly, but god, such a good movie. Firefly was a good series too.

    1. Re:Serenity! by BrynM · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think Serenity hasn't been around long enough to sink in to the culture properly, but god, such a good movie. Firefly was a good series too.
      I have a pair of friends (BF/GF unit) that aren't into sci-fi at all. She is arguably the least sci-fi person I have known in a long time. She admits to seeing "that trek thing" but didn't like it. He's just not interested usually.

      First the boyfriend saw a couple of episodes of Firefly with me (I have the DVDs) and got really exited to see Serenity. I took them both. The very next day they borrowed my DVD set and watched all of Firefly for the next week.

      I'm sure there of hundreds of stories like mine. Give that movie/series to pretty much anyone and I'll bet they like it. It's got a broad appeal and no weird looking costumes. Everyone can identify with working hard (even if what you do is nefarious) and having to defend it in some way. That's it's essence. Within 2-5 years it will be a landmark film, IMHO.

      --
      US Democracy:The best person for the job (among These pre-selected choices...)
  2. Order... by The+Madd+Rapper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First Contact before Empire Strikes Back? I liked them both, but c'mon now. Overall I think the top ten are solid choices, but the order leaves a little to be desired.

    --
    That's the shit that feds me up
  3. my top pick by all+your+mwbassguy+a · · Score: 5, Funny

    khan is #1 for me, just because it resonates so deeply with me. i, too, was left stranded on ceti alpha five.

  4. SERENITY NOW!! by ir0b0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    . . . and Heavy Metal . . .

    and I'm sorry but Episode IV practically invented the "summer blockbuster" for better or worse. It should be listed first.

    --
    I'm laughing at clouds.
  5. Solaris by Compuser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The original Solaris could well be the best movie of all time.
    Bar none. Period. Certainly no other space movie stands close.
    Uhm, IMHO, of course.

  6. Spaceballs by frankmu · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I see that your schwartz is as big as mine."

    --
    Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
  7. Re:It's not on the list. by PsychicX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, it's SPACE movies, not SCI FI movies. How the heck is Back to the Future, albeit a very good movie, considered a SPACE movie?

  8. Outrage! by JanneM · · Score: 4, Funny

    How could this movie not at least make the top three?! Shocking lack of taste, I say. Shocking.

    --
    Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
  9. Since it doesn't have to be science fiction by jbrader · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then I nominate "The Right Stuff". Also I think this list is a little too Star Trek heavy (but I'm probably in the minority on that).

    --
    You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
    1. Re:Since it doesn't have to be science fiction by orson_of_fort_worth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. One of my favorite movies of all time. The Right Stuff is actually about outer space and the trials and tribulations of reaching it. Most of the list are just soap operas with spaceships.

    2. Re:Since it doesn't have to be science fiction by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is the honest truth:

      I cry every time I watch that movie when Yeager breaks the sound barrier.

      My wife doesn't understand it, but that's what happens.

      --
      taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
  10. 2001 was a great movie by zymano · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2001 is one of the best scifi movies.

    Also don't forget StarTrek the motion picture. The original was long in spots but none of the others were as deep. The ending was great.

  11. Serenity by ngunton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never watched the series, and just happened to catch the movie two days before it disappeared from my local theatre. It was the matinee, and there were three other people in there with me. I have to say, I've been avoiding going out to see movies in recent years, because there always seems to be some asshat sitting behind me who feels that it's perfectly ok to discuss plot points in a normal voice, or be in a constant state of candy rustling, or other noise that just ruins the whole thing.

    Anyway, back to the real point: Serenity has restored my faith in movies. Star Wars (the recent run of prequals) almost killed off my hope totally. I just felt so ... empty ... walking out of those movies. All special effect, no humanity, no heart. Is anyone else yawning these days at the latest, greatest special effects? I mean, it's been a while since I was really wowed by this stuff - I think Terminator II was the last movie that really made me go "hey, neat!". The Matrix was ok (the first one only, please, not the travesty that the other two became), but it was mostly the style (and bullet time) that make that movie.

    Serenity was a return to something that George Lucas almost had in his grasp with his very first Star Wars movie: A sense of real people, experiencing real life, only in a very, very different environment to ours. This is true escapism - not Grand Councils and "sheratons in space" (thanks Joss), but real, gritty, imperfect, cowardly, funny, wisecracking people. The sort of characters you would probably like if you met them in real life. Who can imagine interacting with any of the recent Star Wars characters in real life? Sheesh.

    Joss Whedon is one of those people who has a talent for mixing the real with the fantastic in a funny, witty way. I think Serenity is right up there at the top of my list of all-time favorite movies. It rocks because it has heart, which so many movies these days lack. The big mistake action movies make is that if you don't care about the characters, then who cares what happens to them? In Serenity, I cared. I took my wife to see it for a second time (had to travel a bit, since it was gone from most places by then). She is not a Sci-Fi fan, but I had a hunch, and I was right - she loved it. That says something.

    I also went right out and bought the Firefly DVD set, and we both watched it all the way through over the next few nights. I have to say I am totally amazed that this show was canceled. They canned this in favor of what? More reality sludge? Yikes.

    1. Re:Serenity by shawb · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Fox did the same thing to Arrested Development.

      Fox: We're going to cancel your show because there wasn't enough viewership this season.

      Arrested Development: But you didn't actually air anything, we were co-opted by baseball, a sport which nobody watches anyways.

      Fox: And that is our problem how?

      Fox has a long history of screwing with the schedule of a potentially great show and then cancelling it because the ratings drop. Firefly, Arrested Development, Futurama, The Critic, The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr, and they keep trying to drop Family Guy. On the other end, they keep showing tripe like MadTV (never saw anything funny on there, just horrible acting, mugging for the camera, and flat out insulting situations) and Malcolm in the Middle. Somewhere in the middle they let series that were once good run way longer than they should after all the creativity is gone and the shark has been jumped over and over: Married With Children, Simpsons, That 70's show, 21 Jump Street, Beverly Hills 90210, arguably the X-files, arguably King of the Hill.

      On the other hand, they are the only network to give a lot of programming a chance that other networks wouldn't have touched... everything I mentioned above plus Boston Public, Dark Angel, Get a Life, Herman's Head, Normal Ohio, Parker Lewis Can't Lose, etc etc etc (not claiming the quality of these, but that other broadcasters probably wouldn't have touched them.) Also, I'll give Fox credit for not starting the whole reality TV thing (That's MTV's fault, or CBS bringing Survivor in) but when they do bite on it, it's horrid, soulless stuff like Trading Spouses, Renovate my Family, The Simple Life and The Swan (the Swan being possibly one of the most evil shows on. Take a bunch of ugly to average looking women with low self esteem. Give them makeovers, plastic surgery, wardrobe changes, etc. Finally, tell all but one of them that they're still not good enough. Vile and disgusting. Not to mention that usually once you get plastic surgery, after a couple years you grow out of it and need to get it again otherwise you look worse than you otherwise would have.)
      --
      I'll never make that mistake again, reading the experts' opinions. - Feynman
  12. What were they thinking?! by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any Top 10 Space Movie list that includes ST The Undiscovered Country yet leaves out Heavy Metal obviously cannot be taken seriously. And as much as I like Trek, I really don't think ST First Contact belongs on this list either. I do, however, agree with ST Wrath of Kahn. I also take offense at the absence of Silent Running.

    --
    I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
  13. The list compilers are on drugs. by Mateito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They missed Airplane II. Easily the best space movie EVER!

  14. Not bad overall... by Corbin+Dallas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I think the top ten is a little biased in favor of movies that are part of a series. I guess that's because the characters are better known ( having spent more time with them ) and because it's easy to carry over karma from other films in a series. ( For better or worse. )

    My top five would be, in order:

    1) 2001: A Space Oddessy
    2) The Right Stuff
    3) Apollo 13
    4) Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
    5) Star Wars: Episode IV

    Too bad the list is just space related movies, rather than space related stories in any medium. I'd love to throw Babylon 5 in the mix.

    --
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
  15. No 5th Element?? by Tmack · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Futuristic with lots of space stuff in it (you know, the whole dark planet, FTL travel to other planets, etc). A Great Sci-Fi movie with excellent scene changes and decent plot (even brief nudity), and even though one of the main characters is Bruce Willis, it still came out great IMHO, it just didnt do well in the theaters (probably due to lack of publicity, I only remember a few commercials for it).

    Tm

    --
    Support TBI Research: http://www.raisinhope.org
    1. Re:No 5th Element?? by G-funk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...and even though one of the main characters is Bruce Willis"

      WTF? If that movie starred anybody else, you'd be sitting around going "the only thing that could make that better is if Dallas was played by John McCl... ah, Bruce Willis"

      --
      Send lawyers, guns, and money!
  16. Probably too "cult" for such a list ... by tim_uk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but what about Dark Star? Come on people, it was co-written by Dan O'Bannon, who later reused the "alien mascot" section of the film as the basis of his script for Alien FFS!!

    Directed by (the) John Carpenter as well.

    And then there's Silent Running, although wabbits being nuked is probably not a big vote winner among the majority of popcorn-crunchers.

    Spaceballs forever!

  17. Surprising list and odd list by Belseth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've got to wonder what standard they used? Apollo 13, 2001 and Contact were solid and obvious choices but a lot of the rest were largely fantasy films. If hard science was a factor most of the rest of the films barely gave science a nod. If it was a science fiction list, several were definately fantasy and Apollo 13 was factual. Seemed to more reflect box office than anything. Another pointless ten best list.

  18. In my opinion by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting
    2001 is the best one. Even better if you consider when it was made and what you could compare it with! Not that the other ones are bad either.

    When you consider that this film was made in 1968 it wasn't until 1977 when Star Wars appeared that you could get something to actually compare with in quality. And even though that film is almost forty years old it is still a film that you can watch. The only thing that it actually missed was the political situation in the world of today, but wh coul tell that at a time when the Soviet Union was at it's height and al-Qaeda wasn't known. The worst terrorists at the time was PLO and Lebanon was a holiday paradise.

    Personally I don't give much for the Alien films, but it's a matter of taste.

    --
    If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    1. Re:In my opinion by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally I don't give much for the Alien films, but it's a matter of taste.

      The reason I think it's there is because 'space movies' are mostly about life in space.

      The original Alien film exposed a lot of possibilities, and left a lot of questions unanswered. The biology of the Alien creature was so bizarre and unfamiliar...it seemed as if maybe the laws of chemistry and physics were being broken, but then again...maybe they weren't. This was something that noone had seen before, or imagined...and instead of being another movie with a 'guy in a rubber suit' the director managed to create something horrifyingly believable. Bottom line: The film does an excellent job of consistently maintaining its plausibility, which is very hard to do in science fiction.

      Some people liken Alien to a 'haunted house movie' in space, but the film also succeeds in creating a deep sense of uncertainty and lack of knowledge about space. It asks the question, what do we really know about what's out there? Most other 'space films' mess that part up, and 'earth-apomorphize' space. Alien however, is truly alien.

      --
      The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
  19. iMDB's verdict by ishnaf · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Trawling throught the iMDB top 250 filmsi got this list:
    1. Star Wars 4
    2. Star wars 5
    3. Alien
    4. Aliens (the sequel to Aliens)
    5. 2001: A Space Oddysey
    6. Blade Runner (well if Contact is on the list, why not this?)
    7. Star Wars 6
    8. Star Wars 3
    9. Planet of the Apes (1968 version)
    Yes, i've gone against convention and used digits not roman numerals for the Star Wars films. I'd be interested to see are larger list - Star Wars/Trek domaination makes it seem more like a top 5.
  20. Well... by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find it very sad, that the list contains little less than a bunch of star wars/star treck movies. Who was the voting audience? Space Odyssey only #5? No Aliens? (OK, at least Alien is on the list). Where is "Blade Runner"? "Total Recall"? "Dark Star"? Hell, even "Stargate" or "Starship Troopers" deserved to get on that list more than some other entries ("Contact", for example, is a very good book, but a mediocre movie - to say the least).

  21. missing classics by soundofthemoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some obvious missing classics:

    Forbidden Planet
    Silent Running
    Powers of Ten (ok, it's a short feature, but still a classic)

    And some good ones that are better than ones that made the list:

    Aliens
    Galaxy Quest

    (And if the new Battlestar Galactica series counted it would be near the top of my list.)

  22. First Contact hater by greggman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know I'm the minority on this but I hated First Contact. They ruined the Borg in the movie. What made the Borg unique was their total alien like qualities. Total logic, no emotion, total devotion to a single goal, etc. It made them a different kind of enemy, something special.

    In first contact the introduce the Queen Borg who asks just like you average generic power hungry villian. No longer are the borg this unstopable, uncarring machine, now the Borg are just a the standard typical enemy you can try to seduce, reason with, etc.

    How sad to take such an interesting race and completely ruin it's interesting qualities.

  23. I want real astronomy in my space movies by btempleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought Serenenity was a very good movie, which leaves me more annoyed that like effectively all hollywood SF movies, it had no real concept of astronomy, how really far it is between planets in a solar system. (Or how vastly far it is in a galaxy, which Firefly sometimes declared to be its setting.)

    A solar system is not like a western frontier where you meet other ships along the trail. And a solar system with hundreds of moons around many planets will have, depending on the place in the orbit, immense vast distances between planets on opposite sides of the star, and relatively short ones between moons, but still a vast void on all trips. You are not going to happen to run into Reaver ships.

    Now as I said, most shows get this really wrong. To some extent the shows with FTL get it "better" even though FTL is itself fantasy, at least you get a reason to not treat the differences as so vast. Hyperspace jumps, another fantasy, are even better.

    2001 got space right. Apollo 13 did (duh.) Few other films and very few TV shows ever did.

    --
    Has it been over a year since you last donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation
    1. Re:I want real astronomy in my space movies by John_Booty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought Serenenity was a very good movie, which leaves me more annoyed that like effectively all hollywood SF movies, it had no real concept of astronomy

      I really appreciate science realism in movies, but I also enjoy space/sci-fi movies that just have fun instead of sticking to science facts.

      Mixing hard science with entertaining narrative is almost impossibly hard due to the fact that well, space really is a bleak, vast, nearly-featureless void. 2001 is the only film I can think of that did this successfully, and swashbuckling tales like Star Wars, Serenity, or Firefly would never work with larger doses of reality.

      On a "science realism" note, one nice touch in Firefly was that the space scenes had no sound, since obviously there's no sound in space. They broke with that for Serenity, though.

      Another sci-fi story that adds a little hard science to the mix is the anime series Gunbuster. Near-lightspeed travel features prominently in the plot, and - surprise! - the relativistic time effects are actually handled in a fairly realistic fashion. A large part of the plot deals with the emotional hardships of the characters, whose friends back on Earth are aging much more quickly than they are since they frequently travel near light speeds.

      It's regarded as one of the greatest anime productions of all time. Sadly, it's currently commercially unavailable in the U.S. although it can be downloaded...

      --

      OtakuBooty.com: Smart, funny, sexy nerds.
    2. Re:I want real astronomy in my space movies by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative
      You might want to read up on orbital mechanics. A straight line is very, very expensive as a way of flying between planets. You have to solve the n-body problem with a fixed origin and a moving destination. The position of your destination depends on your flight time, which depends on your direction (the gravity of all of the points will affect your flight path once you leave). Someone who leaves a couple of hours after you, however, or has a different accelleration, will fly a very different route.

      If you can still remember how to do calculus (I'm not sure I can - it's been about six years since I last tried) then have a go at working out the route from here to mars (pretend nothing else exists in the solar system). This kind of complexity is fairly easy to do with a pen and paper, but it (roughly) doubles every object you add to the solar system.

      You will find that you don't fly in a straight line at all, you fly on an curved trajectory. Now, for fun, try solving the same thing in reverse, and for someone leaving a day later with a faster ship. You'll find that none of these paths intersect in space and time - often not even in just space - except at, or possibly very near, the destination.

      If you want to make the calculations really fun, you can assume rocket propulsion, so your mass and thrust change as a factor of time...

      By the way, I don't know where you got 496 as the number of straight lines between 32 points. There are 31 routes between each point and each other point. The number of direct routes between two of those points and any other point is 31x30=930. The total number of straight lines is 31!.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    3. Re:I want real astronomy in my space movies by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or "Spaceballs" take:

      COLONEL SANDURZ: Prepare ship for light speed.
      DARK HELMET: No, no, no, light speed is too slow.
      SANDURZ: Light speed, too slow?
      HELMET: Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed.
      SANDURZ: Ludicrous speed? Sir, we've never gone that fast before. I don't know if this ship can take it.
      HELMET: What's the matter, Colonel Sandurz, chicken?
      SANDURZ: Prepare ship, prepare ship for ludicrous speed. Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo...

  24. Re:It's not on the list. by Atario · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I did read the book. When it first came out. In 1985. And I like the movie.

    I learned a long time ago that translating a book to a movie inevitably involves a lot of compromises -- at least with any book over a hundred pages. In the case of Contact, I think they made them admirably.

    --
    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  25. Serenity flopped! by Hobbex · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure there of hundreds of stories like mine.

    Before everyone here starts oozing with happiness about Serenity, it should be noted that IT FLOPPED. Despite a lot of attention, lots of dedicated fans, and great reviews, it was not even able to recap production costs at the box office. Look at this years yearly box office to get an idea of just how badly it did (for those tired of scrolling, it is in place 77).

    Now, with DVD sales I am sure the studio won't end up in the red when all is said and done, but $25 million for a high budget high profile movie is terrible. Serenity will probably be pointed to in the future as a good reason not to use cult DVD followings as a reason to greenlight films. Sorry to tell ya all.

    1. Re:Serenity flopped! by tricorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What are you talking about, it opened with 40% of the gross for that weekend. At #38, Wallace and Grommit didn't do $10000/theater either. I don't see that being in the top 100 means it was a "flop". It shows it as being #42 for September openings (going back at least to '91). It did better than the other two widely released films that week (Into the Blue and The Greatest Game Ever Played). For a film that everyone said was going to be a total failure because only "the faithful" would bother watching it, it did spectacularly well, and will undoubtedly also do well on DVD.

      I know the reason we didn't watch Firefly on TV was because it was on Fox. Fox has a history of screwing up good shows, so we tend not to even bother watching them, if its any good they'll just cancel it. They showed the truth of this by airing them out of order from the beginning, confusing the audience, then screwing up the scheduling and "counter-programming", then canceling it.

    2. Re:Serenity flopped! by Wraithlyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right except for one aspect, it did NOT get "a lot of attention" and was not "high profile".

      Almost nobody I know even knew this movie existed until I told them about it. Nobody saw a poster or ad that they remembered.

      I blame it entirely on the marketing effort. Advertising was almost non-existant, and what little did seemed to consist of posters with Mal and Inara staring wistfully into space. Combine that with a name like "Serenity" and on casual inspection it looks like some instantly forgettable romantic schlock.

      They should've had posters that emphasized the action, the spaceships, River kicking ass with an axe and combat boots.

      And MAN... where was the marketing blitz after the opening weekend? Critics and audiences everywhere LOVED it, why weren't they trumpeting this fact all over the place? I was expecting to be assaulted for a week with choice quotes from respected sources, and shots of people exiting the theatres absolutely gushing about the movie, interwoven with some good one-liners and action shots from the movie. But we got NOTHING.

      Fuck, this movie got 87% from RottenTomatoes' "Cream of the Crop". The New York Times wrote "Joss Whedon's unassuming science-fiction adventure is superior in almost every respect to George Lucas's aggressively more ambitious screen entertainments." Orson Scott Card called it the greatest sci-fi movie ever made. Why they didn't exploit this kind of praise for all it was worth is completely beyond me.

      Maybe they thought grassroots word-of-mouth would be enough, but it obviously wasn't.

      Nonetheless, many terrific movies did poorly in box office, and went on to become cult classics. I still have faith that Serenity's quality and accessibilty will be major assests in the long run.

      --
      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
  26. Infinite recursion error by Atario · · Score: 4, Funny
    Aliens (the sequel to Aliens)
    Stack overflow
    Core dumped


    --
    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  27. Re:a new movie.. by arivanov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well... The list is biased and severely americanized. There is not a single movie on it shot outside the US. Hello yanks? Ever heard of Solaris? Stalker? It is also missing what is for me possibly the best sci-fi movie of the 90-es. Gattaca.

    We can continue, but frankly, this poll is best ignored.

    Typical "the world according to America" http://www.msxnet.org/humour/america

    --
    Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
    http://www.sigsegv.cx/
  28. Re:Gattaca! by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Interesting


    It should have been there on the list. 'Contact' sucks, really, except for '22 hours of static on the tape'.

    Seeing as this whole "news" item is just an invitation for a flamefest anyway, I would rate Contact as easily the best of the ten films listed. It has the most interesting and original premise in it, it has the most coherent internal logic, it has the strongest basis in science (and yes - I am aware of the ending), it is the best acted (*cough*Star Wars / Star Trek*cough*), and it has the strongest emotional engagement with the characters.

    If Aliens rather than Alien was in the list, I might give that equal place for different reasons - it's just Hellishly good fun ("They cut the power? How could they cut the power?"). Alien is also very good, but not as good as Contact.

    I haven't seen Apollo-13 though, because Tom Hanks disturbs me. He looks like a serial killer.

    --

    Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
  29. Re:CONTACT by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, she had recorded hours and hours of static. That suggests something had happened in the 0 seconds of earth-time she was away.

    Prior to that revelation, however, she, the scientist, finds herself in a situation not unlike that of her religious friend - she's just had a life-changing experience, she knows she's had it - yet all she has left to go by at that point is, it seems, faith. No evidence, no anything. Had everything been explained, had there been certainty, or had it been yet another little space adventure, the movie would have missed its own point. I'm not sure I agree with that point, nor is it a particularly brilliant point, but I did enjoy that movie more than any of the others in that list.

    (I also find Khaaan painfully dull, for reasons I could not adequately explain, so shoot me already.)

    That wasn't her dead father, btw., it was an alien lifeform masquerading as her father to "make it easier for her" (whether that makes sense or not) and, perhaps, to make it more mysterious for us. Frankly, I liked how there were but a few scant hints at an interstellar transport network, no more than a short glimpse or two of an illuminated alien city... in a way this was more impressive and felt a lot larger than the over-crowded scenery of several Star Wars films combined.