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Dell Finally Goes for AMD
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According to Forbes
'Dell Inc has informed its Taiwan contract makers of plans to develop devices based on Advanced Micro Devices Inc's microprocessors, and these suppliers are awaiting orders for global shipment, the Economic Daily News reported, citing industry sources.'"
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It's not the GHZ speed, it's how you use it.
Maybe not... http://www.infoworld.nl/idgns/bericht.phtml?id=002 56F6C005C22FC482570C0002A51C7
I want my! I want my! I want my Eee PC!
It's not April 1st is it?
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And not just Rebadged Intel Chips? I mean its quite a coincidence that these stories appear just after each other on Slashdot... a sure sign of an international conspiracy surely!
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Snow in Hell.
This is really only happening because Intel has dropped the ball so bad with server processors. Anyone know why Intel, with all their resources, didn't have a decent x64, multi-core product before AMD? Never mind one that uses fewer watts.
It's surprising, but really should give hope to the Linux crew. This is a testament that in our society the underdog can come up and take a bite out of the front runner.... regardless of their fortunes. look out ms.
As long as only Forbes are saying it, I would take it with a large pinch of salt. I've seen enough of their reports written by/for SCO to know they can't be relied on to check their facts.
How many fulltime jobs can one man have?
Hell has just frozen over; on the spot is FOX News correspondance, and close friend of Satan, Karl Rove...
"So Satan, it appears that hell has frozen over.."
"NO, thats just a vicious rumour spread by enemies of the US, sorry, Hell.....things are just getting ready for Christmas.....this snow is just.....decorations.....*excellent*"
"Really?!"
"Yes really, so piss off...I"m trying to order my Dell AMD machine...."
Wait. So, you're saying the law suit is keeping intel from retailiating against dell, but that it's still stupid?
This is exactly what the law suit was intended to do. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment concerning the validity of the suit.
It seems whenever Dell needs more price concessions from Intel, they just have to dangle the possibility out there that they could start offering AMD-powered systems. I suspect after a few quick phone calls, Dell will get cheaper processors and this "rumour" will be relegated to the dustbin (again). Sigh...
Dell are about low inventory and overheads. While some people didn't buy Dells because they wanted AMD chips, I doubt the number of people buying AMDs from Dell will offset the immense cost of running a much larger warehousing and manufacturing operation due to incompatibilities between part lines.
I'd assume that because of this fact, AMD will most likely only appear in servers where Intel can't deliver, because if they go down to the desktop level, and there's no product differentiation, Dell will most likely find themselves in the same position as HP, who I don't buy from simply because I don't have the time to fathom the differences between 47 desktop models, 37 laptops, 53 laser printers and 73 inkjets with varying specs.
Dell won out for me because they kept it simple and focused, I hope they still do that, rather than end up fighting AMD vs. Intel between their own products as others do.
Are they shopping for a another price break from Intel for staying with a single vendor?
-Phil
Shoot questions, first ask later...
I guess dell just wanted out of the space heater buisness.
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Duh, no, people DO buy AMD because it's "better". Only Intel's marketting droids and retarded monkeys used to think that "a clock is a clock". AMD chips have been outperforming Intel's for years now, clock for clock (shall I remind you that top of the line P4 reach 4GHz and still get their balls busted by Athlon64 who have yet to reach 3GHz out of the box?)
People buy AMD because they feature
Last thing about the performance/clock thing: Pentium-M beat the living shit out of P4 clock for clock 95% of the time.
Shame Intel didn't work on scaling them to high frequencies, 2.5GHz-ish desktop Pentium-M would at least put some kind of fight against Athlon64 chips.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
Ditto that.
If the lawsuit has managed to crack open Dell to using AMD processors because Intel has to mind its manners with a lawsuit on the horizon then even if the lawsuit doesn't procede it's done what it needed to do: level the playing field.
It's true that AMD marketting hasn't been the best, but it's also true that Intel marketting has convinced the majority of casual users that more GHZ = more performance always. And all questions of marketing aside, I think AMD has a real case.
-stormin
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We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock. They're no more or less stable, no better supported. We buy them because they're cheaper.
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Wrong - you're a victim to Intel's marteting. Take, for example, the highest-end Athlon single core, compared to the highest-end Intel single core - the FX-57 vs the EE 3.73Ghz. The FX-57 runs at 2.8Ghz. The EE at 3.73 Ghz - the FX-57 running some 25% slower - in pure clock speed. Let's say they have identical performance (they don't) - then the AMD would perform better - significantly so - per "clock" as you say. Based on results from spec.org - the FX-57 runs between 1929 and 1970 for SPECint2000 scores and between 1894 and 2261 in SPECfp2000 (the higher of the SPECfp score is on a 64-bit linux distro with a high-end compiler - the low-end on a Windows XP system, presumably 32-bit). The Intel EE gets 1796 on SPECint2000 (xp SP2) and 2016 on SPECfp2000 (xp SP2). So the AMD beats it by 10% in SPECint2000 (using the average of the FX-57's scores) and gets beat on the Intel-preferred platform by 10%. I call it a draw in terms of performance and the AMD does it with a 50% slower clock.
Unless you mean some other clock.
AMD isn't exactly a garage-based company. They've had several "big breaks" already, and I can remember seeing 486 AMDs running toe-to-toe with 486 Intels. This is just another push, but we'll see if it continues, and whether it even turns out to be true. Personally, I have been building AMD machines almost exclusively for the last 10 years. I moved from AMD to Intel when the Celeron 300a made its debut, but then the Athlon pulled me back less than a year later. I'm not sure where this will take AMD, but Dell using their processors to make some high-end gaming rigs would be nice... except for the fact that they're pretty limited regarding BIOS and other system tweaks. That is the one area Dell could really make some adjustments... and the one reason I don't recommend anyone buy from a major distributor of manufactured PCs.
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Let's assume for an instant that the story is correct.
It could be that Dell have started noticing that they're losing out on contracts because of the heat that their Intel based servers are kicking out. I know of several contracts (even in my limited circle of knowledge) where the Dell submision appeared to give the most bang-per-buck, but didn't get the contract when the cost of the extra air-con was included in the total cost of ownership.
Air-con is a non-negligible expense in any half-way serious machine room.
http://news.techwhack.com/2510/211135-dell-denies- possibilities-of-an-amd-based-pc/
Dell has clarified that any rumors of it planning to manufacture a Dell PC based on AMD processors are false. Market has reported that the company had notified Taiwanese PC contract manufacturers to ready production lines to produce Dell PC systems using microprocessors made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. the statement from the company now nullifies these rumors.
Taiwanese companies like Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. and Quanta Computer Inc. were mentioned in the rumor reports. Some of these Taiwanese companies are the biggest outsourced suppliers for Dell and they are usually the first one to see some of the newer products from the tech giant.
Dell has a special business relationship with Intel, which the market analysts claim gets them huge discounts. This is also said to be the reason why Dell does not build PC products using AMD processors despite high demands for them. However, the rumors of an AMD powered Dell became stronger after Dell started selling AMD processors on their web stores sometime back.
)this was mentioned a few posts up but noone seemed to catch it)
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I look around my home and workplace and all I see these days is AMD. I'm responsible for purchasing in both places (and also advise many others - family, friends, school), and while 2 or 3 years ago I would always suggest intel now it's AMD for just about everything. (They do say free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I research their needs as carefully as I research my own.)
The Athlon64 chip with cool and quiet swung it for me. Very hot climate, struggling aircon and red-hot cpu do not make for a happy pc - or user.
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Desktop sales are dropping. Laptop sales are growing. The two lines on the graph are crossing right about now. Next year, laptop sales are projected to outnumber desktop sales, and keep growing. I think Intel are exactly right to bet on the laptop market. AMD are mainly targetting the supercomputer, server, and workstation markets. These are low-volume, high-margin areas, and are ideally suited to a company with a good R&D team (lots of ex-Alpha people) and a lower volume production capacity.
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That is not the title I would use for this story. Nothing is confirmed. Nothing is close to confirmed.
While the individual listings of CPUs on Dull's site has meant nothing for years that it has happened this could be real news. The question then becomes why is this happening if indeed this story is true? Reasons could be as follows.
1. End of the year price negotiation time with Intel.
2. Intel's see, AMD is doing good, don't come down on use for monopolistic practices Mr. Government man.
3. Dull finally does listen to customers after years of saying they do but lying out their teeth.
Certainly one must wonder what exactly Dull has one their mind for a product, and clearing the server and gaming/workstation segment is where they are getting killed on performance, and performance per watt. They can Apple up their product line all they want, but with analyts on their case for a poorer than expected quarter they could legitimately be looking to save some face. Their consumer electronic attempts have largely failed, and we all remember their attempt to take over the white box market, dominated by AMD. Not too pretty a pony for them on that idea.
Some may question if AMD has enough capacity for them. Those people haven't been paying attention. AMD has a new fab coming on line. AMD has a deal with IBM and Chartered Semiconductor for additional capacity if needed. Dull will not switch their entire product line from Intel to AMD. Anyone thinking capacity is a problem, Dull included, is foolish. This is a strictly numbers bottom line game. If AMD is hurting Intel enough, and therefor Dull enough due to outright demand, and share starts slipping, and customers start saying hello to HP, Gateway, IBM, and Sun, then something has to be done if Intel can not deliver in 2006 as it currently appears.
Surely it could also be insurance for the antitrust suit for Intel. They could come to Dull and say ok. The heat is on. Put out one or two AMD product lines. Make a fuss about it in the media. Don't push them through your sales force. We won't take away your discount, or bump you down the product allocation totem pole, nor pull coop marketing dollars. Just the illusion of AMD and Dull being all buddy buddy, and we could see this happen until the case blows over.
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" With the AMD lawsuit against Intel (which I think is stupid, the main reason AMD doesn't sell well is crappy marketing),"
That has got to be the strangest yet true statement I have ever heard in a long time. Intel's CPUs are slower, cost more, and use more power than AMDs yet they sell more. Does anyone find the power of marketing scary?
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"my view of them, and I may well be totally wrong, is a bunch of hard working people that started off fighting a battle that everyone thought they would lose in 10 minutes flat."
AMD is a multinational publicly-traded corporation whose primary goal is to make money for shareholders and expand market share.
"I suppose it's just the lure of money but it's a shame it happens."
You might not be aware of this, but companies need profit to survive. If your real gripe is with profit, I doubt there are many companies out there that pass your moral litmus test.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
AMD has beaten Intel where marketing makes a difference, at Retail. It was only recently reported here on Slashdot that AMD had surpassed Intel in retail sales. And everyone poo-pooed it because it doesn't include the OEM manufacturers like Dell. So clearly AMD's marketing is working if they're outpacing Intel in the retail channel.
Getting Dell to ship AMD Boxes has nothing to do with marketing and EVERYTHING to do with Intel's anti-trust behaviour, and back-room dealings. Marketing by AMD has no impact on whether Dell will ship AMD Boxes (most of the other boxed OEM's already ship AMD based systems).
AMD can do no wrong! I heard from a reliable source that the new chips will not only have 16 cores, but will cure cancer, do your dishes, and run under 40F!
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Yeah, the most recent Intel commercials are focussing on things other than speed. That's because it's finally become obvious that you can't just keep spinning the core faster. While the avg user may not undersand the importance of cache and other design features, they do understand "my laptop battery lasts 15 minutes and ignites my pants" as well as "wow - dual core sounds neat!".
Here's the story as I rememnber it, and I'm sure there are others with more inside information and better memories out there who can complete the story:
Intel equated processing power with core speed. This began a kind of arms race between AMD and Intel in clock speed - but the AMD message was diluted because they focussed on better chips, not just better scores. Several years ago, however, they decided to play at Intel's own game for a time and there was this huge rush to get to the 1 GHZ mark. It was in this frenzy of clock speed that Intel switched from the efficient and well-designed p3 (which they later returned to for their excellent Pentium M chip) to their wimpy but fast p4. They were able to push the p4 speeds higher than the p3 speeds and thus continue to win the "clock speed = power" battle with the public.
It was on the foundation of this general misconception that Intel's brand was built (of course the actual marketing - as in commercials on TV - had practically no technical content whatsoever, so I'm talking about marketting in terms of their development strategy to win over the computer users who were looking for some simple number they could relate to value).
Now, of course, with the rising supremacy of mobile computing (where the PM shines), the advent of 64-bit processors (AMD was the leader) and dual core processors (again, kudos to AMD) they have FINALLY instituted a marketting shift. This was apparent months ago when they unveiled their new road map and everything was about cycles/watt. They've got a new, slighty more complex and slightly better marketting gimmick - but it's the same old idea. The public doesn't want to read dozens of Anandtech articles detailing each new core for each new processor - they just want a guideline that makes sense. For a while it was clock speed, now it's clock speed per watt.
You have to give them credit for clever marketting. It was because of ploys like this that their brand name became the defacto standard in CPUs, but it doesn't alter the fact that it's just a marketing ploy and that Intel has used their ability to misrepresent their chips to the detriment of actual chip design. It it weren't for AMD - where would we be now?
Although in the final analysis - the real savior isn't AMD, it's competition.
-stormin
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