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Dell Finally Goes for AMD
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According to Forbes
'Dell Inc has informed its Taiwan contract makers of plans to develop devices based on Advanced Micro Devices Inc's microprocessors, and these suppliers are awaiting orders for global shipment, the Economic Daily News reported, citing industry sources.'"
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With the AMD lawsuit against Intel (which I think is stupid, the main reason AMD doesn't sell well is crappy marketing), Intel will have a hard time retaliating against Dell.
More lower priced systems.
I really want one of those XPS systems with a nice AMD processor...
It's not the GHZ speed, it's how you use it.
Maybe not... http://www.infoworld.nl/idgns/bericht.phtml?id=002 56F6C005C22FC482570C0002A51C7
I want my! I want my! I want my Eee PC!
It's not April 1st is it?
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And not just Rebadged Intel Chips? I mean its quite a coincidence that these stories appear just after each other on Slashdot... a sure sign of an international conspiracy surely!
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
until AMD starts to become / feel like an evil giant corp then. It seems to happen to every company soon after it gets it's, or at least a, big break. It's even starting to happen to Google. The company starts off with high minded ideals grows a bit on teh back of its initially supportes then suddenly starts wanting to own everything. I suppose it's just the lure of money but it's a shame it happens. Hope it doesn't happen to AMD because my view of them, and I may well be totally wrong, is a bunch of hard working people that started off fighting a battle that everyone thought they would lose in 10 minutes flat. But through determination and quality products they have succeded in making something of themselves. Everyone loves the under-dog :o)
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This is really only happening because Intel has dropped the ball so bad with server processors. Anyone know why Intel, with all their resources, didn't have a decent x64, multi-core product before AMD? Never mind one that uses fewer watts.
It's surprising, but really should give hope to the Linux crew. This is a testament that in our society the underdog can come up and take a bite out of the front runner.... regardless of their fortunes. look out ms.
As long as only Forbes are saying it, I would take it with a large pinch of salt. I've seen enough of their reports written by/for SCO to know they can't be relied on to check their facts.
How many fulltime jobs can one man have?
Hell has just frozen over; on the spot is FOX News correspondance, and close friend of Satan, Karl Rove...
"So Satan, it appears that hell has frozen over.."
"NO, thats just a vicious rumour spread by enemies of the US, sorry, Hell.....things are just getting ready for Christmas.....this snow is just.....decorations.....*excellent*"
"Really?!"
"Yes really, so piss off...I"m trying to order my Dell AMD machine...."
The Register are also carrying the story, and claiming that products across the range (Laptop/Desktop/Server) are being sourced.
To me, this makes little sense. I think we can all agree that the Pentium-M is superior for laptops, so there is little point in Dell producing AMD based laptops, especially given the AMD ones will be more expensive once subsidies from Intel are accounted for.
Desktops are a similar story - there AMD has the superior processor, but it's still going to wind up more expensive thanks to Intel.
Servers are the only market where this seems to be a good move, as it will allow Dell to flog dual-core server rigs which Intel are currently unable to provide.
Unless I'm mising something of course...
It seems whenever Dell needs more price concessions from Intel, they just have to dangle the possibility out there that they could start offering AMD-powered systems. I suspect after a few quick phone calls, Dell will get cheaper processors and this "rumour" will be relegated to the dustbin (again). Sigh...
Dell are about low inventory and overheads. While some people didn't buy Dells because they wanted AMD chips, I doubt the number of people buying AMDs from Dell will offset the immense cost of running a much larger warehousing and manufacturing operation due to incompatibilities between part lines.
I'd assume that because of this fact, AMD will most likely only appear in servers where Intel can't deliver, because if they go down to the desktop level, and there's no product differentiation, Dell will most likely find themselves in the same position as HP, who I don't buy from simply because I don't have the time to fathom the differences between 47 desktop models, 37 laptops, 53 laser printers and 73 inkjets with varying specs.
Dell won out for me because they kept it simple and focused, I hope they still do that, rather than end up fighting AMD vs. Intel between their own products as others do.
Has Intel now promised Dell that they won't suffer punitive pricing for selling non-Intel machines?
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
"Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
Are they shopping for a another price break from Intel for staying with a single vendor?
-Phil
Shoot questions, first ask later...
I guess dell just wanted out of the space heater buisness.
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Duh, no, people DO buy AMD because it's "better". Only Intel's marketting droids and retarded monkeys used to think that "a clock is a clock". AMD chips have been outperforming Intel's for years now, clock for clock (shall I remind you that top of the line P4 reach 4GHz and still get their balls busted by Athlon64 who have yet to reach 3GHz out of the box?)
People buy AMD because they feature
Last thing about the performance/clock thing: Pentium-M beat the living shit out of P4 clock for clock 95% of the time.
Shame Intel didn't work on scaling them to high frequencies, 2.5GHz-ish desktop Pentium-M would at least put some kind of fight against Athlon64 chips.
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Is this a sign of the end of the world? Or just one of the natural processors of life?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock. They're no more or less stable, no better supported. We buy them because they're cheaper.
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Wrong - you're a victim to Intel's marteting. Take, for example, the highest-end Athlon single core, compared to the highest-end Intel single core - the FX-57 vs the EE 3.73Ghz. The FX-57 runs at 2.8Ghz. The EE at 3.73 Ghz - the FX-57 running some 25% slower - in pure clock speed. Let's say they have identical performance (they don't) - then the AMD would perform better - significantly so - per "clock" as you say. Based on results from spec.org - the FX-57 runs between 1929 and 1970 for SPECint2000 scores and between 1894 and 2261 in SPECfp2000 (the higher of the SPECfp score is on a 64-bit linux distro with a high-end compiler - the low-end on a Windows XP system, presumably 32-bit). The Intel EE gets 1796 on SPECint2000 (xp SP2) and 2016 on SPECfp2000 (xp SP2). So the AMD beats it by 10% in SPECint2000 (using the average of the FX-57's scores) and gets beat on the Intel-preferred platform by 10%. I call it a draw in terms of performance and the AMD does it with a 50% slower clock.
Unless you mean some other clock.
Let's assume for an instant that the story is correct.
It could be that Dell have started noticing that they're losing out on contracts because of the heat that their Intel based servers are kicking out. I know of several contracts (even in my limited circle of knowledge) where the Dell submision appeared to give the most bang-per-buck, but didn't get the contract when the cost of the extra air-con was included in the total cost of ownership.
Air-con is a non-negligible expense in any half-way serious machine room.
Moderators: The parent is meant to be funny and not even shooting for a "5, Interesting". Look at the linked story, it's the one about selling celerons as P4s. Dell would probably not benefit from selling fake P4 processors in the current situation.
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Dell's prices are pretty damn low. Catch the right deal and you get an Intel CPU and the rest of the computer for $50 more. (Well, at least it was at one point).
Anyways, anyone who builds their own boxes knows that AMD is cheaper then Intel. I hope this price difference carries over to the full systems Dell will offer.
Quite frankly, I don't give a shit if it is cheaper or not. I have to order from Dell all of the fucking time and I am giddy about the prospect of being able to go back to AMD only ordering. Why anyone wouldn't go with something that is faster and cheaper is beyond me.
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It seems to me this *would* be a smart move. Clearly there are areas where AMD is superior (servers, gaming rigs, multicore high end workstations) and areas where Intel is superior (laptops, mid-range to low-end desktops, content-encoding workstations). The only reason *not* to do something like this is if Intel gives Dell significant financial incentives (or dis-incentives) ... which I would certainly not rule out.
The more you regulate a company, the worse its products become.
http://news.techwhack.com/2510/211135-dell-denies- possibilities-of-an-amd-based-pc/
Dell has clarified that any rumors of it planning to manufacture a Dell PC based on AMD processors are false. Market has reported that the company had notified Taiwanese PC contract manufacturers to ready production lines to produce Dell PC systems using microprocessors made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. the statement from the company now nullifies these rumors.
Taiwanese companies like Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. and Quanta Computer Inc. were mentioned in the rumor reports. Some of these Taiwanese companies are the biggest outsourced suppliers for Dell and they are usually the first one to see some of the newer products from the tech giant.
Dell has a special business relationship with Intel, which the market analysts claim gets them huge discounts. This is also said to be the reason why Dell does not build PC products using AMD processors despite high demands for them. However, the rumors of an AMD powered Dell became stronger after Dell started selling AMD processors on their web stores sometime back.
)this was mentioned a few posts up but noone seemed to catch it)
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I look around my home and workplace and all I see these days is AMD. I'm responsible for purchasing in both places (and also advise many others - family, friends, school), and while 2 or 3 years ago I would always suggest intel now it's AMD for just about everything. (They do say free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I research their needs as carefully as I research my own.)
The Athlon64 chip with cool and quiet swung it for me. Very hot climate, struggling aircon and red-hot cpu do not make for a happy pc - or user.
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Short-term success? AMD's been a publicly traded company for over 30 years. Intel may be a giant, but AMD's not going anywhere.
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Desktop sales are dropping. Laptop sales are growing. The two lines on the graph are crossing right about now. Next year, laptop sales are projected to outnumber desktop sales, and keep growing. I think Intel are exactly right to bet on the laptop market. AMD are mainly targetting the supercomputer, server, and workstation markets. These are low-volume, high-margin areas, and are ideally suited to a company with a good R&D team (lots of ex-Alpha people) and a lower volume production capacity.
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That is not the title I would use for this story. Nothing is confirmed. Nothing is close to confirmed.
While the individual listings of CPUs on Dull's site has meant nothing for years that it has happened this could be real news. The question then becomes why is this happening if indeed this story is true? Reasons could be as follows.
1. End of the year price negotiation time with Intel.
2. Intel's see, AMD is doing good, don't come down on use for monopolistic practices Mr. Government man.
3. Dull finally does listen to customers after years of saying they do but lying out their teeth.
Certainly one must wonder what exactly Dull has one their mind for a product, and clearing the server and gaming/workstation segment is where they are getting killed on performance, and performance per watt. They can Apple up their product line all they want, but with analyts on their case for a poorer than expected quarter they could legitimately be looking to save some face. Their consumer electronic attempts have largely failed, and we all remember their attempt to take over the white box market, dominated by AMD. Not too pretty a pony for them on that idea.
Some may question if AMD has enough capacity for them. Those people haven't been paying attention. AMD has a new fab coming on line. AMD has a deal with IBM and Chartered Semiconductor for additional capacity if needed. Dull will not switch their entire product line from Intel to AMD. Anyone thinking capacity is a problem, Dull included, is foolish. This is a strictly numbers bottom line game. If AMD is hurting Intel enough, and therefor Dull enough due to outright demand, and share starts slipping, and customers start saying hello to HP, Gateway, IBM, and Sun, then something has to be done if Intel can not deliver in 2006 as it currently appears.
Surely it could also be insurance for the antitrust suit for Intel. They could come to Dull and say ok. The heat is on. Put out one or two AMD product lines. Make a fuss about it in the media. Don't push them through your sales force. We won't take away your discount, or bump you down the product allocation totem pole, nor pull coop marketing dollars. Just the illusion of AMD and Dull being all buddy buddy, and we could see this happen until the case blows over.
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AMD has beaten Intel where marketing makes a difference, at Retail. It was only recently reported here on Slashdot that AMD had surpassed Intel in retail sales. And everyone poo-pooed it because it doesn't include the OEM manufacturers like Dell. So clearly AMD's marketing is working if they're outpacing Intel in the retail channel.
Getting Dell to ship AMD Boxes has nothing to do with marketing and EVERYTHING to do with Intel's anti-trust behaviour, and back-room dealings. Marketing by AMD has no impact on whether Dell will ship AMD Boxes (most of the other boxed OEM's already ship AMD based systems).
I think that Dell just realised it couldn't be seen dead with the same CPUs as Apple in their machines ;-) Bring back the WebObjects version of Dell's online store, I say....
Once this well kept secret (oxymoron?) of cheaper & better AMD chips gets out to the masses I'd expect the value of AMD chips to drop in comparison to Intel. Will Intel come down in price? Will AMD go up?
Likely they'll meet somewhere in the middle. Events like Dell will shake things up. Demand for AMD will go up but will their supply go up to match it? If demand for Intel goes down will they be forced to lower prices?
Regardless, it seems the days are short for the informed consumer getting a far better deal with AMD.
While I generally agree with the sentiment that AMD has the better processor right now (I own an X2 at home), AMD has one albratross around its neck that still keeps it down: the platform. Dealing with the Nforce 4 platform has been nothing but a pain. Knowing which drivers to install, which ones to leave with the MS defaults, NAM bluescreening and corrupting downloads, chipset drivers not upgrading properly or causing blue screens on install, etc, etc. If I'm experiencing this with AMD's "premier" platform, it doesn't bode well for me wanting to install Opteron servers at work. Intel is just plug and go ... it just works without me having to do a virgin sacrifice and a rain dance. I'll gladly sacrifice a little performance if it means a lot less work to maintain on my part. I have enough to do without baby sitting a server.
Intel's processors may suck right now, but their platforms are hella stable. I have time to tweak an AMD computer at home. I don't at work. Until AMD gets me an Intel quality platform, they're not touching my network at work.
The Turion 64 CPU powering my laptop is quite decent - not exactly Pentium M level yet, but not too far off. The way AMD is finally paying more attention to the mobile market, who knows, they might even come out with a competitive dual-core model before Intel's next-generation Pentium M gets 64-bit support.
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That 12% is before negotiating, if you talk to the sales I'm sure you can get a bit more, but that depends on there stocking and current prices on HD's and RAM, bottom line, always talk to the sales! It's not unusual to get a quarter or more off their advertised prices.