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Refocusable Plenoptic Light-Field Photography

virgil_disgr4ce writes "Wired is reporting that a Stanford student using about 90,000 microlenses has developed a plenoptic camera whose images can be refocused, via software, after they are exposed." From the article: "'We just think it'll lead to better cameras that make it easier to take pictures that are in focus and look good,' said Ng's adviser, Stanford computer science professor Pat Hanrahan."

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  1. You know what this means... by doxology · · Score: 5, Funny

    Better Porn!

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  2. innovation by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as I heard of this, I immediately realized how to do it. But I would not have thought to do it on my own. This kind of smart thinking is why we have a patent system. The patent system was not designed to protect business methods, such as completing a sale using n clicks instead of n+1.

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    1. Re:innovation by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Informative
      As soon as I heard of this, I immediately realized how to do it. But I would not have thought to do it on my own. This kind of smart thinking is why we have a patent system. The patent system was not designed to protect business methods, such as completing a sale using n clicks instead of n+1.
      The patent system is not meant to protect an idea either. It's meant to protect a non-obvious implementation of an idea.
  3. oh so 1996 by griffster · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/lightfield/ If you've attended siggraph for the last 8 or 9 years you yawn with me.

  4. It's fun. by Duncan3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having seen this stuff in action first hand, it's cool as heck. Also a tad scary. Miniblinds not closed 100% then you can see in, tree in the way no problem.

    Basically what we see as solid with 2 eyes, may not be solid at all. So much like the IR/UV cameras, this new toy has a dark side.

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    1. Re:It's fun. by Splab · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess thats why he figured it also works with only one eye ;)

  5. Just like in movies and TV! by malraid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you seen how in movies and TV they can zoom and then sharpen any image using software? We'll it seems that technology is finally comming to real life!

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  6. Intangible Pluralistic Brain-wave Phrenology by millennial · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can make up really technical sounding names, too!

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  7. Obligatory... by millennial · · Score: 4, Funny

    Countdown until you hear about someone using one on CSI: 5... 4... 3...

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  8. At what price in resolution? by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The linked article comments that there's an effective loss of resolution, but goes no further.

    Obviously taking a camera that's designed to record light intensity and modifying it to record light intensity and direction isn't free. In the worst case, you're decreasing your effective resolution by the number of new lenses, or by a factor of 90,000. I don't think that's quite what happens though, because many of these lenses will be recording essentially the same information, and while only one may be perfectly focussed on part of the frame, nearby lenses can probably contribute color and intensity information as well. If we assume a 2Mpixel image is "good", the article's comment that the student's using a 16Mpixel camera but that an 8Mpixel camera might be good enough seems to support a roughly 4x to 8x decrease in effective resolution. Can the poster who claims to have heard the actual discussion at Siggraph comment?

    That's a high price to pay for not having to use the viewfinder. It's cool tech, and I'm sure there are practical uses for it somewhere, but I don't think consumer cameras are the place for it just yet.

  9. Getting the least out of your 16MB camera by Tsar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, the plenoptic camera has some neat benefits, including the ability to reconstruct the field of view from the perspective of any point on its objective lens. But for the image to contain all that information, it by necessity does NOT contain information that it otherwise would--in this case, resolution.

    Look at the sample images. Even the sharpest-focused regions are soft-focused. This is a 16-megapixel camera with an effective resolution less than 1/3 that of VGA. Granted, the images can be refocused and depth information can be extracted, but do you really want to have to buy a 188-megapixel plenoptic camera to get sharp 1-megapixel images? Is focusing really that hard?

  10. Can't get something for nothing by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The more potential focal points you want, the less resolution you can have for any particular one of them. You have to record information for all possible focal points on the CCD. Conceptually it's no different from, say, dividing the CCD into four parts and recording an image with a different focal point on each of the quarters, then post processing to combine them as required. I think. So photographically speaking the image is degraded compared to just getting the focal point right in the first place. Which isn't to say there aren't cool things you can do with it.

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  11. Why stop at three dimensions? by ian_mackereth · · Score: 4, Funny
    Give the lenses a coating of resublimated Thiotimoline
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Endochronic_Prope rties_of_Resublimated_Thiotimoline

    This will not only ensure that your photo of Auntie May is in focus, but the camera will make sure that the image is captured at a time when her eyes are open and she's smiling.

  12. You don't really lose resolution by mrmojo · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm one of the guys who works on this stuff at Stanford. I should point out that it's not fair to say you lose resolution, because good cameras have large pixels to reduce noise over a finite exposure time. Lightfield cameras, because they add up a whole lot of individual pixel samples to produce an image pixel, can get away with much much smaller pixels, because the noise goes down as you sum up the pixel values.

    The best way to think of it is take a standard good quality camera with big pixels, subdivide each pixel into a grid of 12x12 or so tiny pixels - more like the size of pixels in cell phone cameras - and put a microlens over it. You get the same spatial resolution as the good camera, roughly the same noise characteristics, and the ability to refocus and pull other light field tricks like hitchcock zooms.

    You just have to be aware that treating the data as a light field it's very noisy, like a crappy cell phone camera, but when you add up pixels to make a focused image, the noise drops back to regular good camera levels.

    It's just harder to deal with the amount of data you get off a large sensor with tiny pixels, and they're also harder to build, but neither point is a showstopper and these are mere engineering issues...

    1. Re:You don't really lose resolution by (negative+video) · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The best way to think of it is take a standard good quality camera with big pixels, subdivide each pixel into a grid of 12x12 or so tiny pixels - more like the size of pixels in cell phone cameras - and put a microlens over it. You get ... roughly the same noise characteristics, ...
      The space between the pixels tends to be hard to shrink, so as you add pixels an ever-increasing fraction of the image sensor tends to become dead zones. Using Foveon-style stacked detectors instead of a filter mosaic would, of course, help quite a bit.

      A question: can you refocus colors independently to correct chromatic abberation of the lens?