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Profitmon Catches The Dollars

An anonymous reader writes "The mainstream press has finally discovered the cash in anime. Fortune's Daniel Roth profiles ADV, the largest anime distributor in the U.S.. He uses it as a way to talk about how the anime and manga business has, in what's become a rarity in showbiz, managed to find a way to do 'more than not alienate its customers: It has found ways to keep them buying and buying.' The article also details the madness of the anime superfans--the Otaku--and the likely Neon Genesis Evangelion live-action flick that Weta's Richard Taylor is pushing for." Good Content + Bittorrent = Profit?

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  1. Go Profitmon! by bad+jerkface · · Score: 4, Funny

    Profitmon, I choose you!

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  2. Re:Anime by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah unfortunately a lot of that anime has the terms "DragonBall" or "-mon" in it. :-/

  3. The money? by Namronorman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the money is from the fact that they can import on demand pretty much, they don't have to overproduce in case there's a large demand for it. The Anime sub-culture of the US is interesting in that it seems to often times follow certain trends and when something is popular you can just import it and sell it for a lot more than you usually would a normal DVD.

    There's also the fact that a lot of anime sales are online which can be on demand as well, it's just a safer business I think than producing large numbers of an item and hoping they all sell.

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    1. Re:The money? by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like to call you the anti-fan.

      The money is from the fact that a lot of morons will pay $24.95 for a DVD with three or four episodes on it.
      Yeah, because that's near full MSRP. I buy online at dvdpacific.com where I can get them for $16 to $19 per disc. That's the price to pay if you want to support what you enjoy. And it's probably the best price the world over, considering the Japanese pay 5x that for TWO episodes.

      Thanks, but I'll take a fansub instead.
      You may think you're only spitting on the US licensor, but you're also spitting on the creator as well.

      It's available earlier
      You can do that when you ignore both the law and paying the creator for their time and effort.

      the translation is rarely better (although rife with typos and other silliness)
      Fixed that for you.

      and I don't have to rip it to avoid the stupid non-skippable intro animations on anime DVDs, especially those from ADV films.
      What non-skippable intros? I hit the menu button during the FBI logo on all of my DVDs and it jumps right to the menu. Every anime company does that (even ADV.)

      I have been one of those morons on occasion
      There we go. Only morons support that which they like. Everyone else screws them over.

    2. Re:The money? by ericdano · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This is very true. Take Samurari X, the director's cut. The subtitles and the English audio don't agree. The subtitles make more sense. A lot of the spoken English doesn't make sense.

      I think the next step is instead of a fan sub, a fan DUB. Get a group of fairly good voice people and dub in what they are speaking.....

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  4. Re:Anime by Shimdaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well this makes sense, because anime isn't necessarily one big genre. Often anime movies and shows have similar themes / plot devices / etc., but when you get down to it Bubblegum Crisis is really pretty different from Neon Genesis Evangelion. I'm not too much of an anime geek, but I watch anime occaisionally. I think it should be phrased "Anime gains acceptance as a medium" rather than "Anime gains acceptance as a genre."

  5. Missing important facts by Microlith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It fails to mention ADV's recent financial troubles, highlighted by the fact that in the past year they've had to give up funding the creation of several new shows and didn't announce any licenses during this year's con season (which is very unusual.)

    It also fails to account for the fact that despite how small all of the anime companies are compared to say the music and movie giants in the states, the size of the warez base is MUCH LARGER relatively. There's a prevalent attitude among anime "fans" that paying for it is somehow supporting "the man" despite the fact that international licensors provide the japanese with a non-trivial amount of funding.

    1. Re:Missing important facts by htwnrver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked for ADV for several years until spring of 2005. It seemed like it was time to get out as they were cutting back on almost everything they could think of. 2002-2004 was great for their employees but when they bought the anime network (not sure of the exact details) everything started going downhill financially. Never look back!

  6. Re:Anime by epiphani · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree - I've been introducing people to it on a regular basis. I think its because of the raw quality of the work and the lack of good engaging material from this side of the planet.

    I primarily download my anime via bittorrent. I check out what I like, and eventually buy the boxed set. Just this morning I recieved my box set of Azumanga Diaoh (funniest anime EVAR). If you have an easy method of previewing your content, it makes the purchase easier.

    And I feel like I'm actually supporting something with anime, as most anime shops (in japan) are small and have very thin profit margins.

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  7. Price Analysis by VGMSupreme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be perfectly honest, the reason ADV is raking in the dough, is that as one of the biggest anime distributers in America, they can charge an arm, a leg, and three kidneys for their product, and it will sell. You'll notice there are not a lot of anime distributers out there, so there are only a few mediums where you can get it from. While it is still cheaper to obtain it from online sources (AnimeNation and the like), it is still costly. I could buy all of Buffy, Angel, or even Hercules right now, and it would be cheaper than getting a box set of a particular anime series.

    They won't come down in price, cause pretty much there is no reason for them too. While I download the occassional anime series, I still buy some of my stuff from Brick N' Mortar, or other various online sources. Hell, I am going to buy Grenadier, even though I have the fansubs to it on my computer.

    Seriously, if they want to really rank in the dough, start dropping the prices to under the $20 level. At least then, it might make is justifiable to only the DVD for its extras. Keeping it at $29.99 might net you big profits in the short term, but as the years progress, there is only so much people are willing to take before they forever go the way of fansubs.

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    1. Re:Price Analysis by Microlith · · Score: 3, Informative

      I see this and it tells me you only shop at places like Suncoast, which always charge full MSRP for stuff.

      Look around online at legit shops like deepdiscountdvd.com or dvdplanet.com (or my fave, dvdplanet.com) and you can find shows for just over half MSRP.

      That and ADV is releasing a lot of shows that only came out this year as thinpak complete collections. While they lack extras (which are of variable quality), you can get an entire show for $30-$60 in a nice, small box. And you support the industry as a whole.

  8. Re:Is mainstream good? by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 5, Funny
    Multi-headed laser-slash-semen shooting penis-slash-tenticles raping young girls so they can bear the prophesied are indeed "much different"

    Most anime fans avoid hentai...but you seem to know alot about it. ^_~

  9. Re:Is mainstream good? by zalas · · Score: 3, Informative

    There used to be a recent trend (around 1-2 years ago) where more and more American companies are funding Japanese productions, so if that trend continues, you're going to see more anime catered more towards a North American audience. Geneon USA funds quite a few productions in Japan that are produced by its parent company Geneon JP. ADV used to fund some shows, too, or planned to anyway. Somehow, their current state of financial affairs doesn't bode well for more funding of anime.

  10. Ghost in the Shell is too confusing..... by technoextreme · · Score: 4, Interesting
    However, even the almost "mainstream" like Ghost in the Shell Series, Inyuasha, Full Metal Alchemist and others you might see on adult swim on Saturday night are worth staying up for.
    I swear to god anyone who understands Ghost in the Shell deserves to be given gold medal. I read the original magna and they managed to make lesbian sex confusing. I kept on reading the apendix trying to figure out what was going on. Yes there is a sex scene in the original magna. Oddly enough it was quite surprising reading this in my university's library. It was made even more odd that I knew this was a required reading for a class.
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  11. Re:Anime by masklinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You should watch good quality animes instead of Pokemons and Digimons.

    Quite a lot of them, even though they won't be released any soon in the western world, actually have a damn good animation and art, check Elfen Lied, Blood+ or Air for good examples. Others, such as Stellvia of the Universe, have extremely impressive CGs and soundtracks. Some more are genres on their own, or truly stand apart from the crowd because they're Just Too Good To Be True (Wolf's Rain, Juuni Kokki, Witch Hunter Robin) or because they're just Too Stupid To Be True (Oruchuban Ebichu, FLCL, Excel Saga, Sexy Commando, Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu).

    At the bottom are the fanservice(read: boobs)-laden, plot-empty animes such as Green Green and the regular-good Shojos and their caricatural heros (Bleach, One Piece).

    And then, you have the Pits, the mass-produced 500 episode with no art, no voice actors, no animation, no spirit. Pokemon, Naruto and Digimon are fine examples of these.

    Japanese animation and comics are extremely varied, they're much closer to occidental novels (as a medium) than to occidental comics (including the european ones).

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  12. Re:I'm surprised anime is still popular. by Kaboom13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine if you took all of American television, and took out all the crap you don't like. You'd probably be left with 3-4 series you really enjoy and a bunch of crap you will watch cause theres nothing better on. When you open up a whole new genre to yourself, you are bound to find some new gems in all the crap. It's the same thing with anime, a massive variety is made and almost everyone is bound to find some they really enjoy. Theres cop shows, and romance shows, and sci-fi shows, and comedy shows, etc. And while the OVA market has pretty much dried up, TV anime and movies are still going strong in Japan, with tons more being made every year. Fansubs are so prevelant and easily available now you could literally watch nothing but newly released anime all day. Also, instead of self-contained 30 minute episodes like most American series, Anime tend more towards long story arc, with each episode connecting directly to the next. So it can be easy to get drawn in and want to watch "what happens next" every week. So even if you've watched all the "classics" theres tons of new material out there and access to it is easier then ever. Everyone in my group of friends watches 3-4 shows every week like they would a tv series, and we talk about it "over the watercooler" so to speak like we would a normal television show. In short, anime is not going anywhere, and I really think a cable network that showed NEW anime shows, subtitled and uneditied within a week of them airing in Japan (some fansub groups put out a decent quality sub within 24 hrs of the show airing, and they do it for no profit) could be really successful. However most forays into anime on tv have been A. Dubbed, the dubs are generally either very innacurate or just low quality B. Editied for time and content (Japanese TV seems to have less time dedicated to commercials and the show is only interrupted once for a longer commercial break), and C. given no respect for the original work or it's creators and their artistic vision.

  13. Re:Anime by Wildclaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You make a very good point about not confusing quality with taste. It is sad that so many people assume that anything they don't like is bad quality. I for example personally rate Cowboy Bebop quite low, but I can see why others may like the style.

    Naruto is an interesting case. It suffers from the filler-itus syndrome. The main storyline in Naruto is pretty good with a lot of interesting action, but the filler episodes, which is needed because anime progresses faster than manga, range from watchable to pure crap. It is a good example to bring up to demonstrate that a single series can be both good and bad quality.

    One of the best things about anime in my opinion is that there are a lot of story based animes with a planned beginning, middle and end.

    This is in contrast with american tv series that seem to be produced on the basis that there will be several seasons and therefore are construct in such a way that it always is possible to append another season.