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New Orleans to Deploy Free Wi-Fi City Wide

Lawrence_Bird writes "The Washington Post is reporting that New Orleans will deploy a city wide wi-fi network with free public access. Much of the equipment has been donated, but New Orleans will own and operate the network. Interestingly, they are only able to do this while a state of emergency remains in place as technically their planned 512Kbps service violates state law prohibiting municipalities from offering access at speeds in excess of 144Kbps, a restriction the city plans on fighting even though they will eventually outsource the whole operation."

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  1. Why Does State Of Emergency Last So Long? by fembots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will this be the first case of never-ending SOE similar to the never-ending Beta?

    This way consumers get to use the service first, and companies get to roll out their services without having to abide strict regulations and/or an actual committment.

  2. Hmmmm...... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free WiFi while significant portions of their population are still displaced and / or homeless.

    Perhaps their priorities are a bit backward?

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    1. Re:Hmmmm...... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Perhaps their priorities are a bit backward?"

      Well, for the majority of us...it is a circular hell to rebuild. We want to rebuild homes..but, have to wait till FEMA sets new flood plain standards...have to see if you have to raise your house or no insurance. And we're waiting to see if we can get long term commitment to rebuild the levee system...to withstand CAT 5 storms...without that, not much use in rebuilding.

      Funny...the politicos couldn't fall over each other fast enough for 9/11...but, sure don't seem to be too excited to help us down here.

      Frankly, if we could get our fair share of royalties for letting all the oil/gas be mined on and off our coast...get the 40%-50% that other states do when natural resources like oil are harvested (many interior states)...revenue that we've not had, but, should have for years...we could easily take care of ourselves and build a system that would make Holland blush. It is money that is ours, and should be ours...but, we can't seem to get it out of congress.

      Sorry...easy to get carried away on the soapbox...it is so frustrating down here...a total clusterfuck doesn't even come close to describing it...

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    2. Re:Hmmmm...... by bigtrike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Free WiFi while significant portions of their population are still displaced and / or homeless.

      According to TFA, this will provide a huge time savings for inspectors and police. The WiFi is directly improving rebuilding efforts in a number of ways. It's likely much easier and cheaper to provide free wireless for it all than it is to set up a security mechanism to give access only to government officials.

      Perhaps their priorities are thought out well?

    3. Re:Hmmmm...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      to withstand CAT 5 storms

      With the wireless tech you could alleviate the need to run Cat5. And what do you mean by storms - does it tangle and you get mad?

    4. Re:Hmmmm...... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      We want to rebuild homes..but, have to wait till FEMA sets new flood plain standards...have to see if you have to raise your house or no insurance.

      Do you know why you have to wait for FEMA? Because the government is the only organization stupid enough to offer flood insurance. No private company in the US offers "flood insurance". And, if the government did as it should, and got out of the flood insurance business, then my tax dollars would not be wasted on rebuilding your house in an obvious flood zone. You could just move to, you know, higher ground, and start rebuilding right away.

      Sorry if this appears to be a flame...but it is the truth.

      If we could get our fair share of royalties for letting all the oil/gas be mined on and off our coast...get the 40%-50% that other states do when natural resources like oil are harvested (many interior states)...revenue that we've not had, but, should have for years.

      Well, for one example, Alaskan oil is actually located within the physical boundaries of the State of Alaska. Last time I looked at a map, the Gulf of Mexico was outside of Louisiana/Mississippi territorial borders. So, I disagree, you don't deserver a penny in royalties--since you don't "own" the oil. For that matter, the State of Alaska shouldn't be profiting (because State Government's also don't own oil), but that is another question.

    5. Re:Hmmmm...... by Greg_D · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of New Orleans has power, cable, internet, etc., and power is not the government's responsibility in the first place, it's Entergy's responsibility and they're working about as fast as can be expected given the conditions.

    6. Re:Hmmmm...... by dada21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, is this the United States?

      Yes, it is. The original intent of combining the words United and States was to promote competition between the individual States (countries) while still offering the citizens protection of their basic rights from tyrannical governments.

      The States united under a central government that was set up in order to protect the citizens rights, not take from the many to give to the few. Every federal official had very select limited powers and could never trample on the basic human rights we are all born with.

      The United States was not meant to be an insurance policy for those unwilling to save for a time of need.

      For history alone, it is worth keeping.

      I don't care about your past, I care about my future. If you want to save something for history sake, get a bunch of people to finance it voluntarily, not through the force of government.

      do you realized how much comes into the US from our ports?

      Do I care? The reason New Orleans continues to degrade is because our government decided to attempt to negotiate with mother nature. It failed. If New Orleans washed into the Gulf completely, there would still be a Mississippi for boats to move up and down. It has nothing to do with New Orleans or the businesses that are there, in fact, most of the income that flows into and out of the Mississippi is 70 miles or more away from the port. The port has a long history of being used for political manipulation (the Spaniards cut off the Americans as one of the first political uses of the port).

      and we have a majority of the refineries down here. No one else seems to want them in their 'back yard'.

      Actually, the refinery business is a monopoly enforced by the federal government. With more refineries, or better yet, fewer special-blends, we'd see lower gas prices. The companies that refine in New Orleans have a long history of lobbying to protect their businesses.

      The devastation that occured is directly tied to the inept government that set the standards the insurance companies followed. These insurance companies knew that if they followed the government standards and something bad happened, they'd get bailed out by FEMA. That is what happened.

      If you want to see New Orleans prosper, kick every government out. Allow companies to build where they want to and find ways to get insurance for their buildings. Get rid of taxes and business regulations for maybe 10 years and you'll see an explosion of businesses running your way.

      For now, only vultures and those who like to tax and spend will make their way to New Orleans. Oh, and those who are lazy and love the government dole.

    7. Re:Hmmmm...... by WorLord · · Score: 2, Informative

      (Warning: I'm a native New Orleanean).

      Well, is this the United States?

      That's hardly an argument New Orleans gets to use. If New Orleans was interested in being a part of the United States, it would have stopped using Napoleonic code, stopped calling counties Parishes, and raised the drinking age to 21 much sooner than it did (and it would have done so of its own accord, instead of being pressured into it because of lack of Highway funds.) Among other things.

      Not that I agree with any or all of those things; just saying that NOLA has had a long history of flipping off the USA in its past, and claiming solidarity now is more than a little hypocritical.

      "And, while I can sympathize with your sentiments regarding say....someone right now, building a new home right on the beach somewhere along the coast."

      Then how can you not sympathize with those same sentiments regarding, say, someone who is planning on moving back to The Parish (St. Bernard), New Orleans East, Lakeview, or Gentilly? Most if not all of those folks have to bulldoze and start from scratch if they choose to rebuild where they are. Effectively, that IS "someone right now, building a new home right on the beach somewhere along the coast" - or, at the very least, someone building in an area proven to be prone to total annihilation.

      I have to wonder if seeing Katrina's damage as a lesson ("It is not physically safe to build a traditional a house here. Now we know.") is too much to ask.

      "New Orleans is where it is for reasons"

      Much of which can be attributed to rapid urban sprawl and genuine mistakes. Notice how the oldest areas of the city Proper (Uptown, French Quarter) made out considerably better. This is not a random thing - rather, New Orleans, when it was established and further on into its formative years, was built on the highest portions of the basin. Much of the rest of it (Lakeview and Gentilly are good examples) were some of the last additions, and rose fast enough to create an illusion of safety.

      It was never intended to be a huge city - for much of its life it was little more than a very large port. The offshore oil industry more or less changed that.

      "The US gets a lot from us down here...economically and culturally. (Jazz, blues, food)."

      That's another smallish nit I'd like to pick. At least musically, New Orleans has been land of the cover band for the entire 31 years of my life. Nothing new - especially nothing new in the realms of Jazz and Blues - has happened here in a while.

      I can't argue with the food, except to say that any uniquely New Orleans food offerings can't usually be found by outside visitors. A lot of places in, say, the French Quarter are nothing but burger joints with Cajun decorations on the walls.

      "We ask for help now...and you turn your back on us? Why are we less important than other parts of the US?"

      Ah. The meat of the discussion.

      I don't think the US is turning its back on New Orleans because it is less important - I think the collective back is being turned because no one wants to spend capitol rebuilding in an area that is a sure target for destruction. It was a sure target before - surrounded by water and almost 20' below sea level in some areas - and everyone knew it, but the remarkable luck New Orleans had before led to a false sense of complacency. The meager levee protections NOLA had before Katrina did not hold to their reported specifications, Katrina was far stronger than those specifications, and the levee system is considerably weaker now. I think these facts, above everything else, have many people wondering exactly how smart an idea it would be to put things back to where they were before, because they are realizing that pre-Katrina New Orleans was an obviously vulnerable place.

      Despite how much I miss my home, I wonder the same things. If I'm angry at the federal government, I am angry at it because I consider it to be a party to endanger

    8. Re:Hmmmm...... by omegaman_1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're still wrong. Frankly, I am incenced that this debate regarding rebuilding New Orleans even exists. If this were Miami, New York, Boston, Washington D.C. or San Francisco, there would be no debate. New Orleans has more locations on the National Historic Registry than any other city in the US. -- more than Boston, Philadelphia, New York or Washington. And the loss of South Louisiana's ports and oil resources would obviously be devastating to the entire country. Here is an important truth: Katrina did NOT flood New Orleans. The flood walls, which were purportedly designed by our federal government (US Army Corps of Engineers) to stand up to a storm the size of Katrina, failed. When I walk around my 100 year old flooded home, I know it was flooded for the first time in its history by the failures of men and not the effects of nature. That's right. my home is 100 years old and it's young for New Orleans. It's never flooded. Like most New Orleanians, I was born here. ALL of my family is from here here as well. This is typical. The wetlands loss and subsidence in South LA is a well known problem. It is also a problem of the last 50 years that has been entirely created by people. (Canals were dug to support oil and gas exploration creating massive erosion. Missippi River flood controls stopped the depositing of sediment which keeps the marshes growing and not sinking) The fact is, the wetlands and adequate flood control are both fixable issues. Louisiana residents have known about it for years and we've spoken as loudly as we could to a largely unsympathetic audience. We need committed funding and action now. There's even a model for doing it right in the Netherlands. Portions of that nation are far far lower than New Orleans. Yet the Dutch have learned through experience, ingenuity, and committment how to work with nature and save their country. As one Dutch engineer pointed out in the local Times Picayune, if our nation has the ability to move vehicles on Mars, surely we can solve this problem too. Unfortunately for California residents, we probably don't have the technology to mitigate the impacts of an eventual earthquake there any time soon. Maybe those folks should move to someplace safer; they must be nuts to live in such an obviously dangerous place. If Congress can't commit to a Category 5 flood control system for South LA, then they should stop funding all flood control efforts and cut off aid for repopulating New Orleans now. Instead pay off all of our mortgages, give us all one way tickets and some moving money and call it a day. Why would any business or individual rebuild here permanently without that committment? And if Congress doesn't fix this then shame on them all. We rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. We spend billions year after year on aid to other nations. Yet we can't commit to rebuilding a city of our own? A city filled with hardworking taxpayers who have apparently committed the mortal sin of loving their home.

    9. Re:Hmmmm...... by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 2, Informative
      Uhhh Puhleeze... We are talking about New Orleans here. Their gross economic ouput was lower than what went in to support it. They had exactly ONE fortune 100 HQ with no viable industry other than tourism.

      We can re route all of the fuel refining/delivery to Texas (which has most of it already) where they are WELL above the sea level.

      There is no reason why New Orleans cannot be moved further inland (higher elevation) and be the exactly the same port city (and the their relative size of trade through their port has been going down for last several decades).

      It is ABSOLUTELY NUTS to rebuild a port city under the sea level. Netherlands HAS NO CHOICE. Their country is about as big as a small NE state. They have no other place to expand to. Only way they can sustain themselves is to reclaim land from sea.

      US has no such problem. The land is plentiful. There are plenty of nearby port cities that can EASILY take the flow when properly planned (without any seawalls). Why go with the most expensive route when there are cheaper ways to go?

      Finally, if California was a nation, it would have the 5th largest economy in the world. If LA was a nation, its economy would be barely above third world. And no, I do not live in California...

  3. They meant "free" WiFi by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting



    Note that nothing a government offers is truly free, even in the case here where the hardware is mostly donated.

    Government-run programs are generally maintained by unionized public workers. These programs have little competition and often cost more than a private competitive market (note municipal water reclamation costs).

    The city mentions they'll outsource the program to private companies, but do you believe these companies won't be owned by cronies? Even New Orleans has their own version of Haliburton.

    Is providing Internet access ever a city's responsible? In my town we have 3 city-wide free WiFi providers and 20 local "coffee shop" providers. I don't see why New Orleans feels that they're needing a taxpayer funded ISP when what they really need is a tax hiatus to bring businesses and entrepreneurs to LA to create jobs and better lives that jobs help to build.

    The hurricane damage is evidence to me of the decay of government projects and the wasted taxpayer money. That money would produce a safer city with more jobs if it was left to the citizens.

    1. Re:They meant "free" WiFi by flyinwhitey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As long as I consider the Library a government responsibility, I have to say the same about internet access.

      There is no fundamental difference to me, and universal access to information is the kind of thing I would be proud to pay taxes for.

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    2. Re:They meant "free" WiFi by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is providing Internet access ever a city's responsible?

      I think that every government with the people's interests in mind is interested in providing them with access to information. To that end, everywhere you can't get a decent net connection (I'm lucky if I can get 31.2kbps on my dialup, because all the copper in Lake County, CA, USA is craptacular legacy pacbell stuff) should be looking at providing free wifi. It's not all that expensive to do if you do it cheaply in the first place and if the market responds with an alternative you can always just sell it off to a private company. It also helps prevent monopolies; the free market can come in and implement something better, then you can sell your solution off to some other company who can run it.

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    3. Re:They meant "free" WiFi by greysky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Say what you want about "universal access to information", but government-funded free wifi isn't necessarily a good thing. Keep in mind that this could severely hurt ISP that were already devastated by the hurricane. If you can get wifi for free, then why pay for a service that is offered by company X? Having a bandwidth limitation seems to me a good solution, as people who can't afford access can still get it, but just not at the speeds they could if they paid for it. To take your library analogy to the next level, the library only lets you have n number of books at a time, and you have to return them. You have to pay a bookstore to have books at a "higher bandwidth", which in turn helps the economy.

    4. Re:They meant "free" WiFi by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Once Governments start controlling internet access, whether through free wifi or any other method, they will start regulating content.

      Dude, your people control all three branches of government in the U.S. Sooner or later, you're gonna have to stop complaining about being oppressed by "arrogant, progressive . . . nerd[s]". You're not being hassled by the Man, you are the Man, now.

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    5. Re:They meant "free" WiFi by Peganthyrus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not in New Orleans. Phone service is still out in a lot of the city, as is power. My mother could have moved back into her old apartment - it was structurally sound, the water only went halfway up the first floor and she was on the second - but there's no power, no gas, no water, no sewage, no phone there.

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  4. Uhhh by garrett714 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I honestly hope this isn't their only solution for hurricanes / floods in the future.

    1. Re:Uhhh by iSeal · · Score: 3, Funny

      net send 192.168.*.* Please Evacuate. Incoming Hurricane.

      "Um sir, wasn't that disabled in XP SP2?"
      "Crap."

  5. WOW...I live here and this is the first I've heard by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've not heard about this down here yet. It would be nice...but, frankly, without power and gas to be able to live back at my place...this isn't much use.

    I did find it useful the other day, to go to Cooter Brown's and use their wireless while watching some football, and drinking some good beer...

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  6. Free wi-fi is important by eobanb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for narrowing the digital divide. I usually hate over-used politicised terms like 'digital divide' but regardless, it does exist, and free widespread personal net access is key to spreading information to more people. While internet access from libraries and such is great, it's better still to have access in one's home.

    Imagine if electricity was not a public utility but a service offered by two or three price-gouging regional monopolies. A quick comparison of US broadband penetration and Europe's (largely) socialised system demonstrates why these sorts of projects are needed.

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    1. Re:Free wi-fi is important by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I see the digital divide as caused by inept social programs, not fixed by them. The anti-poor and anti-minority regulations we have today destroy the access you want. Look at how the minimum wage destroys job opportunities for the poor and for minorities. The tax system we have in this country is even worse (most people pay only a tiny amount in actual IRS income tax but everyone pays a huge amount of their income for all the other taxes) for the poor.

      If you want to help the poor and the minorities break this digital divide, you need for them to have opportunities in life that give them reason to learn about the Internet and about information freedom. Our public education system does the absolutely opposite, as it gives the poor a basically free daycare system that offers their offspring the indoctrination in the system that hurt their parents' desire to break free.

      The only thing that really helps bring wealth to the poor is work -- hard work. Both my parents came to the U.S. with absolutely nothing, not even good comprehension of the language. Yet they both busted their rears so that my siblings and I would have better lives, and I work hard so that my children will have an even better opportunity.

      Don't blame the lack of Internet knowledge on ISPs. I'd rather see privated completely deregulated electrical service as well.

    2. Re:Free wi-fi is important by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because the digital divide is chock-full of people who are able to afford a laptop/desktop with a wi-fi card, but can't afford basic dial-up service. And as you can imagine, that's a large, large group.

      And slightly OT, but I'm going to laugh very hard and very long when the first "Municipal Wi-Fi blocking content" story hits /. Because we all know elected officials never want to block the citizens they represent from information....

      well, with kids yeah. We have to protect the kids. And you know how irresposible some parents can be. So lets put a huge filter on porn coming down the pipe. Tax dollars shouldn't pay for porn anyway.

      Oh, and smoking. Bad. Very bad. Lets ban any site that promotes smoking. Promotion of all things smoking over publicly financed wi-fi? I think not! You might as well just shove smokes in babies mouths.

      What? This site offends the sensiblities of [fill in religious group/cult of choice]? Block them too. We're all fine, upstanding [christians, jews, muslims, hindis, scientologists] and there's no way our community should have to see this.

      What? People are going to RELIGIOUS sites? Hasn't anyone heard of the seperation of church and state? If someone wants to cyber-pray let them pay for their own access.

      Hate speech. Who doesnt' hate hate speech? Of course! Its gone. ("by the way, what is hate speech?" "Ah.. the devil's in the details")

      Wal Mart? Do we really want our citizens helping keep that community killing, baby eating, spawn of satan corperation in business by allowing them to purchase cheap shit over our wi-fi? I think not! If you want to destroy mom and pop shops do it on your own nickel. ...

    3. Re:Free wi-fi is important by LordKazan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather see privated completely deregulated electrical service as well.

      When will you anarcho-capitalists actually take economics 100.

      Given
      A) A service that has a near zero elasticity of demand in relation to price
      B) Is infrastructure

      (Things Fitting A&B: Roads, Water, Sewer, Power, phone, cable, electricity, gas)
      You CANNOT deregulate, you CANNOT expect the "Free market" to ensure quality and low price.

      Infrastructure doesn't follow the normal rules because it's something that should not be duplicated concurrently - imagine having two roads systems, or two seperate water systems, power etc - there isn't the space to do it and the costs are prohibitive. This prevents normal competitive practices of the free-market and favors large intrenched monopolies

      Have you not been paying attention? power was deregulated in some areas - it resulted in artificially created roving blackouts to give the impression that demand exceeded supply so that price-gouging could occur.

      Adam Smith himself said that capitalism needs enforced rules to keep all parties treating each other fairly - why can you not recognize this?

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    4. Re:Free wi-fi is important by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you not been paying attention? power was deregulated in some areas - it resulted in artificially created roving blackouts to give the impression that demand exceeded supply so that price-gouging could occur.

      Apparently you haven't been paying that much attention. Most of Cali's problems came from partial deregulation. Wholesale prices were deregulated, but not consumer prices. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

      Now, PA has had a much more deregulated power economy. How many rolling blackouts have you seen there? Or in the UK? Just wondering.

    5. Re:Free wi-fi is important by dada21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually demand for electricity SHOULD be directly affected by the price. I know when my electric bill is high one month, I notice for a new months when I leave my lights on, my TV on, and even cut back a little on other electrical usage (my projector, etc). The same is true for my natural gas and all that.

      I give almost $100 extra a month in tithes to my church to be put into a fund marked for poor families at my church so they can have basic utilities (including a Christian ISP). Guess what? Recently, a guy who used the benevolence fund was found to be using crack -- AGAIN. He's getting cut out of the fund until he seeks help (which we will pay for). I'd rather see the really poor and disturbed get help from a charity that can monitor their progress than a government that wants to keep them poor.

      Many of you can't/won't give to charity because you're spending 50% of your income at taxes of every level so some government official can keep doling out welfare. If they solved the problems of the poor and unforunate, we wouldn't need government. Better to keep them stuck.

    6. Re:Free wi-fi is important by dada21 · · Score: 2

      You'd be surprised that you are likely paying more than 50% of your income in taxation.

      One year I calculated my total tax burden to be over 60% (of course we do receive SOMETHING in return but I believe it is far more expensive than if I was free to pick and choose what I'd pay for).

      Remember, taxation is not just income tax. You're already paying about 15% in FICA on top of your IRS tax. There's the State income tax as well. Don't forget sales tax, gas taxes, property taxes, regulatory costs and even the taxes passed on to everything you buy or purchase. There are hundreds of taxes you're paying and when you add them all up, they account for more than 50% of your income.

  7. FREE WI-FI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!! by artemis67 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...for all five residents.

  8. Yes, but does it work underwater? by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cool! Now New Orleans residents will have the connectivity they need in order to email an SOS to FEMA, so they can come rescue them!

    This is much a better solution than spending that money on something as trivial as a safe levee system or housing for homeless people. This free wi-fi is actually working out quite well for them.

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  9. What about the ISP's? by xoip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only have they lost customers and equipment...now they have to compete with the Gov't...so much for free enterprise

  10. New Orleans needs this. Phones are still out. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the city still doesn't have phone service. Getting enough WiFi up that people can use VoIP and get some basic web services will be a big help.

  11. Quoi? by C10H14N2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That money would produce a safer city with more jobs if it was left to the citizens.

    Last I checked, in this country, the government is composed of -- gasp -- citizens, not space aliens from Uranus. At what point did Americans forget the "of, by, and for the people" routine? Why should a state or federal authority be telling the citizens of a town that they can't do whatever they blinking well please as far as public works projects? So the _citizens_ get together and say, golly, we can all chip in ten bucks and we'll have a wonderful benefit for our community that is worth far more than ten bucks to each citizen.

    What's next? Gee, sorry Podunksville, you can't build a public park with a toilet. You need to sell the land off to a private developer so you can have the privilege of paying to sit on the grass or take a leak.

    I don't see how this is any different.

    1. Re:Quoi? by ksheff · · Score: 3, Funny

      the government is composed of -- gasp -- citizens, not space aliens from Uranus.

      having dealt with some of the local govt employees, I wouldn't be sure of that.
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  12. The disaster isn't over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Contrary to what the government and the media would have us believe, New Orleans and the south in general is still a disaster area. New Orleans specifically still is, for the most part, the same as it was when Katrina hit. Alot of places more "important" for tourism and business have been cleaned up, but the other areas like the Ninth Ward still look like warzones. The State of Emergency may last for years.

    1. Re:The disaster isn't over... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah. With only largely affluent white folks left in NOLA, the are now getting presents like community WiFi.

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    2. Re:The disaster isn't over... by lloydtesterman · · Score: 2, Funny

      umm, yes they do! and sneakers and tvs and beer and......

  13. Interesting.. all the neg. and missing the point by maillemaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm surprised at all the negativity about this.

    I'm also suprised at the lack of debate at the /real/ meat in this article - the fact that the big ISPs have already lobbied in places to hobble the speed of such WiFi networks.

    I think this is going to become a huge issue as WiFi and WiMax take off.

    My subdivision has some 500 houses in it. If half of them get high speed internet in some form, at $50/month they are paying out some $12,500 a month collectively for high speed internet access.

    What if our subdivision decided to set up it's own WiFi network? Yeah, I can see the ISPs getting real nervous about this.

    Also, I can see Cell Phone companies getting VERY nervous about this. If WiFi internet access becomes free and widespread, you won't need the cellular network anymore to make wireless phone calls. Just a portable wireless IP phone.

    No wonder the big Telecom industries are out to squelch this.

    Steve

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  14. What I want to know is . . . by mmell · · Score: 2, Funny
    WHY is it illegal for municipalities to provide free (tax-supported) wi-fi? The only justification I've heard is that this will prevent private industry from being able to make a profit from providing this same service (which in this day and age IS a utility, not a luxury).

    Y'know, if the same mentality were applied to some existing government services . . .

    (Caller): Help! My house is on fire!

    (Phone voice): Do you have a FlameOut (tm) customer ID number?

    (Caller): No, but my house is burning! My children are in there--Please help me!

    (Phone voice): I'm sorry, but since you're not a FlameOut (tm) customer, I can't help you. However, we will be rolling our FlameOut (tm) Wagons to protect your neighbor, who I see is a subscriber in good standing. Thank you for notifying us of this condition and have a nice day.

    {CLICK}

    1. Re:What I want to know is . . . by Celandro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.. 2000+ years ago..

      From http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog /2005/06/the_fire_truck.html

      In the early days of Rome a real estate investor/ extortionist named Crassus used a team of firefighters in an effective scheme. There was no public firefighting service at that time, so when a building was on fire, Crassus and his team would show up with their water pump. Before fighting the fire, Crassus would make a very low offer on the building, and to neighboring building owners. If the owners refused, Crassus let the building burn and spread to neighboring buildings, and would later make an even lower offer. If the owner agreed to sell the property, the firefighters would try to put the fire out. Crassus became very wealthy with this scheme, owned a good portion of the city of Rome, bought his way into political office, and ruled Rome as Triumvirate with Pompey and Julius Caesar. As Triumvirate, the area he ruled was centered in Syria, and extended over a wide region. Envisioning riches beyond belief and military glory, Crassus led an expedition against the Parthian Empire, in which he was killed and his legion was wiped out.

    2. Re:What I want to know is . . . by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, simple. Not everyone has a computer. Worse, those who don't have a computer are likely to be poor. So, the poor are paying more taxes with no benefit.

      Wait, I know what you're going to say: not everyone has a car, either. Right, but effective transportation does DIRECTLY lower the cost of consumption for everyone.

      I'm having trouble making a similar argument for free wi-fi.

  15. "Safe levee system" by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Informative

    November Scientific American makes it clear that, owing to bad decisions made by the Army Corps of Engineers years ago, the timescale to solve the problems of New Orleans could be many years. Improving communications throughout the city will not make a significant dent in the funds available to solve the delta problems - which could run into tens of billions of dollars.

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  16. And remember by ShatteredDream · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the same New Orleans that had over 30% of its PD leave or actively engage in the unlawful activities plaguing it post-Katrina. This is the same New Orleans which is legendary for its corrupt local government and in a state that is almost synonymous with bad government to most southerners.

    Yet it's going to do a "good job" running WiFi. One of these days, the starry-eyed true believers will come to the painful realization that "democracy" has no proven track record on keeping governments working for the people and that local governments are one of the last groups you'd want to trust to run your communication network.

    Besides, let's just go ahead and put telescreens in our homes. It just blows my mind how anyone can in one breath whole-heartedly support government operation and/or ownership of the com. network and then complain about the Bush administration wiretapping us all a la 1984. Why not go ahead and put your toddler in a locked room with a dingo and then get self-righteously pissed off when your toddler gets mauled and eaten? Afterall, it's THEIR fault, right?

    Bullshit. You give the government control over the com. network on that scale and when your precious civil liberties go out the window, you'll be one of the few victims of bad government to legitimately laughed at by succeeding generations. The government will assert its sovereignty and say, "it's our network, use it our way or get off." Then you'll look around and there won't be any competition because your tax dollars subsidize the network to the point that the private sector cannot compete.

    All in the name of giving "poor" people (our poor are middle class by African standards) access to a network that all too often their volunary refusal to make use of their socialized education opportunities have rendered them incapable of exploiting.

  17. AM Radio by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I was involved in a week long power outage in Norfolk are after hurricane Isabel (2003) I found battery powered AM radio to be the best source of information. The announcers worked overtime and did a great job of letting us know what was going one. NOLA has WWl which can be picked up over much of the US - I listen to it to get first hand info on whats happening there. It's simple, cheap, and works.

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  18. Restriction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why the hell is there a 144Kbps restriction?

    1. Re:Restriction? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why the hell is there a 144Kbps restriction?

      Duh! It's because someone was paid a nice chunk of change to put it there.

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  19. Priorities??????? by acoustix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me they have more important goals than providing free wifi at this point. I can think of several:

    -schools
    -police
    -electricity
    -water
    -sewage

    I could go on, but you get the point.

    -Ncik

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  20. I also live in Hurricane country. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I do understand. But "Frankly, if we could get our fair share of royalties for letting all the oil/gas be mined on and off our coast...get the 40%-50% that other states do when natural resources like oil are harvested (many interior states)...revenue that we've not had, but, should have for years..."
    Those land off the coast doesn't belong to the states it belongs to the federal government. That being said I am all for LA and Mississippi getting it to rebuild.
    Levee's for a CAT 5? Which CAT 5? 195mph? or 250mph? CAT 5 is doesn't have a maximum so saying it will withstand a CAT 5 is sort of wishful thinking.

    Having been through 3 hurricanes in the last 13 months I have a clue to how big a mess it is. We got lucky in that we didn't get any major flooding or storm surge but the weeks without power, the destroyed homes, and so on is enough. We still have people in Fema trailers from last year storms trying to get there homes fixed.
    Good luck.
    Get a new Mayor and Gov. They sucked. Our Mayor had our school buses prepositioned at the shelters to evacuate everyone last year and did the same this year. They also used them to evacuate anyone that was too poor to leave on their own before the storm. Also we have every assisted care facility and hospital as part of our emergence action plan. Not to mention we had food and water and sanitation at all of our shelters and enough shelter space outside of surge zones. We had not had a direct hit here in 40+ years before last year but they still had prepared better than New Orleans and the State of LA. I know this because a friend of mine works at our EOC.
    BTW my local church sent about 150 people the help in Mississippi. Other groups from our faith went to LA as well. I believe we sent about 5000 people in total and a few million in cash. Of course not a month after we went we got hit by Wilma.

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    1. Re:I also live in Hurricane country. by WorLord · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Do you have any idea what it would take to make a building that can sustain 275 sustained wind load??? The answer to that is easy. No you don't." ... "I doubt that you could fined anyone that would even attempt to build a building rated at 265 MPH sustained winds."

      Suggestion: Perhaps you shouldn't assume so much. That way, I won't have to paste links to buildings that can withstand the winds from very strong tornadoes.

      "A levee that can take a 35 foot surge + 275MPH winds? Never have been done and would cost way to much. "

      I was under the impression that a much larger one already existed.

      "The only correct action in the face of a Category 5 storm is to evacuate."

      Which is why I no longer live there - I essentially agree with this.

  21. YAY! by Silent_Shadow900 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sweet, now I'll be able to play mario Kart when I go back to NO on christmas.

  22. export the corruption by SlashSquatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    New Orleans is ranked eighth on this most dangerous cities list as of 2004. That's pre-hurricane data. My sources have their state and local governments as one of the most corrupt in the US. Would you walk around this city with a laptop? You could paint a target on your back too.

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  23. mardi gras by GadoBone · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wonderful. Now there will live streaming web cams from every balcony, every window, and probably every bathroom. It's just what the internet needed more of...on the government dollar.

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  24. New Orleans WiFi by Heembo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My understanding is that it is already deployed in the French Quarter, and will be citiwide in a year. But at 512kbps now, and 128kbps in a year (after the state of emergency is over) - seems rather slow. But not bad for free service while roaming around town. :) In fact here is the entire article from CNN to save you a click: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/11/29/wirele ss.neworleans.ap/index.html

    Tuesday, November 29, 2005; Posted: 2:40 p.m. EST (19:40 GMT)
    NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Hurricane-ravaged New Orleans is starting the nation's first free wireless Internet network owned and run by a major city, a move aimed at boosting the city's stalled economy.

    Mayor Ray Nagin made the announcement at a late morning news conference.

    Similar projects elsewhere have been stalled by stiff opposition from telephone and cable television companies aimed at discouraging competition from public agencies.

    Nagin said the system started operation Tuesday in the central Business District and the French Quarter. It is to be available throughout the city in about a year.

    The system uses hardware mounted on street lights to cover the city.

    Most of the equipment was donated by three companies: Intel Corp., Tropos Networks and Pronto Networks.

    The system will operate at 512 kilobits per second as long as the city remains under a state of emergency.

    That will be slowed once the state of emergency is over -- that date has not been determined -- to 128 kps in accordance with state law, which restricts government-owned Internet service.

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  25. Re:I don't think so by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Informative

    FEMA did studies that showed the levees would break and up to 60,000 people would die. The local government was given tons of money to fix the levees, and spent it facilitating the building of casinos. Your information is several decades out of date.