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100 Million PS2s Shipped

1up.com reports on a Sony release stating they've shipped 100 Million PS2 consoles. From the article: "PSOne took more than nine years to reach the same milestone Sony's achieved with PlayStation 2 in a little more than five. Sony says global shipments of PlayStation 2 break down to 40.65 million units in North America, 37.14 million in Europe and 22.22 million in all of Asia. The end result is Sony having a PlayStation brand that's moved roughly 1.86 billion units of hardware in a little over a decade, with plenty of time for PlayStation 2 to keep growing as the company makes the shift into next-generation in the coming year. "

61 comments

  1. Quite a milestone by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

    It really is pretty astonishing to ship 100 million *anything* let alone a game console. It sure makes that trumped up 10 million Xbox 360's by 2006 statement look like a long shot.

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    1. Re:Quite a milestone by Delphiki · · Score: 1

      First of all, what makes it trumped up? Second of all, after reading a bunch of your posts, I have to ask, how much does Sony pay you?

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    2. Re:Quite a milestone by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If you've read a bunch of my posts then you would know I was a reviewer of Sony only games and consoles. I actually LEFT my job due to the lack of direction, innovation, and excitement in Sony's current and future business. So to answer your question, nothing. I am currently only excited about the Nintendo Revolution and even that I am keeping a fair level of aprehension about until more is known.

      All that said, Sony's ability to move 100 million PS2's is huge in this industry no matter who's side you are on. And the reason that 10 million is trumped up is because with the current production troubles especially with CPU yields and some current design issues that is a really tall order to move 10 million in one year. I guarantee it won't happen.

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    3. Re:Quite a milestone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ONLY reason Sony sold 100 million of those things is because they suck so bad (hardware quality) that everybody had to keep fucking re-buying them every 2 years because they keep fucking breaking.

      Do you know ANYBODY who hasn't purchased more than 2 PS2's? I'm talking people who actually use the system not people who have 5 games and average a few hours on it a month.

      I've purchased 3 and my brother has purchased about the same. My roommate has 4. My other roommate has 2.

      I don't know ANYBODY who hasn't purchased at least 2 and most people I know have purchased 3 or more.

    4. Re:Quite a milestone by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Me. I've owned a grand total of 1 PS2, AND I was a game reviewer so the system even had to be modified to play some beta review discs. We're talking thousands of hours of gameplay, and it even served as the main DVD drive for a year or so.

      It still runs fine and I have never had an issue.

      I'm not claiming everyone had the same luck, and also I can verify that the disc read errors are a very real hardware issue... but to say anything sells 100 million units because they are crap is just silly.. and since it was posted AC, I can imagine it was said just to be an assclown.

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    5. Re:Quite a milestone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take offense at that last jab; with it, you paint yourself as a bigot. If it colors my response, blame yourself. I have noted that your recognize your experience as anecdotal, not universal. But I firmly disagree that it is implausible that a very significant number of those 100 million systems were replacement SALES caused by original equipment failure. After all, software is a great lock-in mechanism, isn't it? You need the box to play the game.

      I'm not the above AC, but I agree with him. Failure rates for Sony products manufactured outside of Japan in almost any field of consumer electronics are extraordinary. Even the reputation of their Japanese factories has tanked since the release of the first PlayStation. Surely you're aware of the concept known as the Sony Timer. Why do thoughts of Sony entail such conceptions, even in areas where other companies, like Matsushita, Toshiba, and Apple, dominate over them (eliminating popularity bias as a cause)?

      Here's an anecdote no less valid than yours. I am on my third PS2 which is on its last legs. Fortunately, I have never paid for any of the three, and have only once paid for a PS (I bought the first of two, which failed within warranty and was replaced by the second). All were brand new when I started using them. All replacements were with newer revisions of the same hardware. My point is, someone other than Sony paid for each of these systems, with the exception of my first PS. Sony counted these as sales, but really, they all ended up belonging to me - one guy. None of my many other optical drive-based game systems and devices are built so poorly or fail so easily under the same electrically safe, clean, and cool conditions in which I keep my electronics. NONE whatsoever, including those that see more frequent or rigorous use and which cost less. And yet of the three PS/PS2 failures mentioned, two were caused by the optical drive (the third was a controller port power issue). Why is that? Why is it not uncommon to hear such things about PS and PS2 relative to other devices? Again, even if you consider bias towards their popularity, Sony's PlayStation products are disproportionately more likely to fail than almost any other competing piece of electronics in their respective price ranges. That extends from their systems to their controllers to their accessories. I was actually GRATEFUL, as opposed to indifferent, when determining that my PS2 power cables were not faulty. Only Sony has ever made me feel that way.

      Sony will never really learn how to fix their way of doing business, because the population at large will buy their products regardless, by virtue of their brand alone. Why learn a lesson that nobody is willing to teach them? As long as the money rolls in, they're fine.

    6. Re:Quite a milestone by albyrne5 · · Score: 1

      I was reading this e-mail thinking, "my god what do these guys DO to their poor PS2s", then I realised I too had to replace one (but it did suffer some serious abuse). And then I thought some more and realised I've now got one of those small-and-quieter ones, so I must've replaced it again, but I don't even remember when or why! So yeh, I'm on my third PS2.

      This one seems to be fine so far, but it definitely doesn't get anything like the same amount of abuse that the previous two got.

      Here's an unrelated question - what gives with the 720/1080(i/p) modes offered by the next gen consoles. Most 50" plasmas I've seen offer 768 lines which is too high or too low depending. Are there plasma 50"+ HDTVs available which support 1080p? If not, will there be a problem scaling to suit the tvs natural resolution?

    7. Re:Quite a milestone by mink · · Score: 1

      Considering 2 of my 3 PS2 units are no longer able to read DVD media (they can read CD) I say it's a good sign that SONY is producing shit hardware (I treated them well). Back in the 80's I had a walkman. Plastic, looked like crap and the front door broke off, but the radio and actual cassette player mechanism held up to several years of damp dishwasher work in a restaurant. I wish SONY and AIWA products were built as well now as the ones I dealt with 20 years ago.

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    8. Re:Quite a milestone by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      I never claimed Sony made *good* hardware, just that my personal PS2 is a gen 1 PS2 that has held up to more abuse and work than almost any over 5 years or so and still runs perfectly.

      I would never own one single piece of sony A/V equipment, no TV's, no monitors, no stereos, no CD walkmans... nothing. The PS1 and PS2 are it... and I used to work for Sony! I've bought Wega's for relatives at discount, and they like them, but I never personally trust any Sony product.

      Even with all that said, 100 million PS2's is still amazing. Even if every person had to buy two, that is still 50 million PS2's (and Sony still technically sold 100 mil). No matter how you slice it, that is a ton of any console to move.

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    9. Re:Quite a milestone by mink · · Score: 1

      I agree, but going by ancidoltal (sic) evidence, many people buy somewhere around 2-5 PS2 units. So using numbers pulled from my ass, at worst SONY has only sold units to about 25M individuals or more realistically somewhere between 38M and 45M.

      Any spelling mistakes are intentional in the post, and I have no grammar.

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  2. So... how many of those were sold? by MilenCent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure it's a lot what with their market-leading position, but after the PSP discrepency between units-shipped and units-sold, I think it's a valid question.

    And, 1.86 BILLION pieces of hardware? How many of those are consoles, and how many are things like memory cards?

    1. Re:So... how many of those were sold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh - that was a question the bean counters threw around when Dreamcast was orbiting the drain. What was the sell-through vs the stock. Not since the Jaguar was returned from stores to Atari's warehouses has that question held any real merit. In the age of shelf-sales tracking and minimal warehousing the question is nearly doubly irrelevant.

      For comparrison to other more important and trendy questions of the day - does the XBox360 support Blast-Processing? That's what I want to know!

    2. Re:So... how many of those were sold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure all of them were sold.. Sold to the same group of ~25 million people who have all had to buy the fucking thing 4 times because it breaks THAT FUCKING MUCH.

    3. Re:So... how many of those were sold? by rohlfinator · · Score: 1

      Take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that Sony counts replacement and demo kiosk units as "shipped". Only the consoles that are actually purchased by a consumer would be considered "sold". In that case, if little Billy sends his PS2 in for repair (even if it's still under warranty), Sony would count that as another "shipped" console.

      Does anyone know if this theory is true? I was skeptical at first, but the 100 million figure does seem a little high. I know that the PS2 is leading in sales, but from my personal experience, it sure doesn't seem to have sold five times as many units as the GameCube or Xbox.

  3. 1.8 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can they add 100m PS2's to date, and 100m PS1's (in 9 years), and end up with 1.8b units total? They'd have to have enough PS1's in the last year and PSP's in total to add up to 1.6b!

    1. Re:1.8 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      PS2s, PS1s, PSPs. You don't add an apostrophe to anything to make it plural.

    2. Re:1.8 billion? by T_ConX · · Score: 0

      Let's see...
      Memory Cards
      Extra Controllers
      Multiplayer Adapters
      Modem for PS2
      Hard Drive for PS2
      EyeToy(?)
      It's a bit of a strech, but not completely out of reason if the number is 1.8 Bil.

    3. Re:1.8 billion? by Delphiki · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they're including controllers, memory cards, eye toys, DVD remotes and probably even the stands they sell for the PS2 as hardware.

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    4. Re:1.8 billion? by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      in addition, that these are shipped numbers. sold numbers are pretty high, but shipped numbers will always be even greater. i counted out the number of accessories ive bought for my ps1 and ps2 and i was surprised at how much ive spent. stretched out over the last 8 or so years, you dont even realize how much you spend.

      ps1 system
      ps2 system
      psp system
      2 memory cards for ps1
      1 memory card for ps2
      multitap
      extra controller for ps1
      2 dual shock analog controllers to replace original [non-analogstick] ps1 controllers
      network adapter for playstation2
      512mb memory stick for psp
      1gb memory stick for psp
      case for psp
      extra power cable for ps1
      action replay for ps1
      extra battery for psp
      [and im most likely still leaving out stuff... PLUS this isnt even beginning to count the money spent on games]

      i dont even think i am the worst offender when it comes to buying hardware. then theres additional hardware numbers when you talk about hardware that come bundled with certain games. like DDR dancemats, guitar hero guitars, novelty controllers, rez vibrators, and almost any and every light gun game. thats alot of hardware sony pumps out. 1.8 billion units doesnt sound as unheard of when you take into account all of this is spread out over ~8-9 years, and three pretty successful systems.

  4. obligatory tommy boy quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can shit in a box,
    and ship 100 million of them too,
    But all I've shipped is a box full of shit.

    1. Re:obligatory tommy boy quote by /ASCII · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm sure you can. But to ship 100 million such boxes, you'd have to take a dump five times every day for 55,000 years. That would take some serious dedication.

      Further, Sony made people pay for the PS2, at least $100 on average.

      If you manage to create 100 million of your 'turdboxes', and make people pay $10 billion for them, then you can start comparing yourself with the Sony marketing department.

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    2. Re:obligatory tommy boy quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ah, the joke murderer strikes again...

      So tragic...

    3. Re:obligatory tommy boy quote by Pluvius · · Score: 1

      I think the "joke" murdered itself.

      Rob

  5. Doing the maths by FirienFirien · · Score: 1

    That's 1.86bn items of software, not hardware. Quick envelope-maths goes pretty hard on the idea of having that much hardware, even if you include the PS units themselves.

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    1. Re:Doing the maths by jcorno · · Score: 1

      200 million consoles, several hundred million controllers, probably a few million hard drives, several hundred million memory cards, lots and lots of ethernet adapters...I don't think 1.86 billion is an unreasonable number. Granted, it's a little silly to count stuff that comes with it in the box, but it's probably technically correct.

    2. Re:Doing the maths by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, over the life of my PS1 I bought:

      (4) controllers
      (2) multi-taps
      (4) memory cards

      This doesn't include other hardware that shipped with the PS1, and it's probably a little above average (but 8-player FIFA was pretty fun).

      Over the life of my PS2 (so far) I have bought:

      (2) controllers
      (3) memory cards
      I didn't bother purchasing the hard drive or network adapter, and this is probably around average.

      So, including the units themselves, and not including additional hardware shipped with the base units, I've purchased 17 pieces of Sony hardware... from Sony. This doesn't include the knockoff disposable controllers and cord extenders I bought and cannibalized after they broke.

      So, 1.86bn pieces of hardware seems pretty darn attainable.

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    3. Re:Doing the maths by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      It's still 8 pieces of hardware per shipped console. Even counting the included cables (1x TV hookup, 1x power) and controller only gives you 6 pieces of hardware for a console with 2 memcards and 2 controllers, the average punter will have less than that (and quite a bit of 3rd party gear that doesn't count for Sony).

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  6. Re:100,000,000,000 PS2s Shipped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Didn't you hear in the office over one?

  7. They've shipping! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, I know we don't ask for much, but it's actually highlighted as a link. Even accounting for the short attention span, it's the very first sentence of the blurb! How does this get by?

    1. Re:They've shipping! by BushCheney08 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They've shipping = They have shipping.

      This is something that I always look for when placing an order online...

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    2. Re:They've shipping! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got modded up for this? Well it's apparent that we have one idiot, and a massive number of retarded moderators.

      Even Zonk changed to 1up.com reports on a Sony release stating they've shipped 100 Million PS2 consoles. This invalidates the GP's criticism. Now we can only wonder why the fuck a bunch of moderators thought you were insightful. Consider "They have shipping 100 Million PS2 consoles" is complete nonsense, and you'll understand.

      It's idiots like you, and the moderators that thought you were insightful, that allow the editors to continue to slack the way they do. You don't even realize what's wrong until someone pounds it into your brain.

    3. Re:They've shipping! by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

      You don't even realize what's wrong until someone pounds it into your brain.

      Right back atcha, buddy. And in case it's still not clear, I am very well aware of the error in the original sentence and why it didn't make sense (as well as what it should have read). It seems that you aren't capable of figuring out that what I wrote was a (not so subtle) joke.

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  8. 1.8 billion? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

    Okay, so you've got approximately 200 million PS1 and PS2s out there. Does that mean that every one of those has approximately 10 other pieces of hardware that goes with it?

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  9. Yeah, but... by hawkbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want to know how many of those units sold were replacements for the shitty first generation ones that died on people! I've had 3 PS1 consoles and also 2 PS2 consoles. Crappy lasers make crappy console parts.

  10. Wow! by chudgoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And thanks to Sony's faulty optics used in the PS2
    at least three of the 100-million are mine!
    (Only one, the redesigned PStwo, still works...for now)

    Just makes me wonder how many of those 100 million have been sent in for repair/refurb...

    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on number five myself. Only paid for two of them tho. Three tries at release, one a year later and the last one three months before the slim model came out.

    2. Re:Wow! by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My PS2 is currently broken and I'm not looking to replace it or get it fixed.

    3. Re:Wow! by chudgoo · · Score: 1

      If it weren't for Metal Gear Solid 3 : Snake Eater I wouldn't have replaced mine either...

      Goddamn Konami...making exclusives for Sony...jerks...

    4. Re:Wow! by eamonman · · Score: 1

      Gee, I bought my PS2 about 4 years ago, and hav abused it to no end (dropped water on it, kicked it in anger), and after playing 100+ games, it still runs. My controller doesn't vibrate too often, but that's because i've swung the thing against the floor more than a few times ( I really hated NBA 2K whatever). The only thing that is on the fritz is the memory card, but that's just because the kicking probably did something to it.

      I guess it's just a roll of the dice.

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    5. Re:Wow! by mink · · Score: 1

      I'm always on the lookout for spare parts. If you would like to sell it, drop me a line.

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  11. As Phineas Taylor Barnum put it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..."There's a sucker born every minute."

    1. Re:As Phineas Taylor Barnum put it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if it's true or not but every time someone posts that quote someone else seems to post a link that talks about how he didn't actually say it. I'll do it this time

      http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html

  12. 1.8 Billion SOFTWARE, 200+ Million PS1+PS2s... by javaxman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    so, how much does it pay to be a slashdot editor, because I'm sure I'd actually read the linked article and check the story for obvious errors before submitting it ( yea, I'll be modded down, but isn't that what an "editor" is supposed to do? Half the damn posts here are about the story's "1.86 billion hardware" mistake... )

    Anyway, a key point here is ( or should be ) that there have been 1.86 *billion* Sony Playstation game disks sold. If the PS3 is backwards-compatible, that's a lot of people who have a lot of games they can *already* play on that system.

    Another key point is that the PS2 is going to continue to be sold for some time, and is easily the most successful console of all time, selling 100 million in 5 years and still going strong. I know people who will be getting thier *first* PS2 this Christmas, and believe me, they aren't thinking of it as a console near the end of it's life. I expect the PSone to be phased out sometime after the introduction of the PS3, but the PS2 is going to be around for a while yet.

  13. Blast Processing defined by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For comparrison to other more important and trendy questions of the day - does the XBox360 support Blast-Processing?

    Depends on whether a Sonic the Hedgehog classics compilation is one of the backward-compatible titles. In practice, if the name "Blast Processing" referred to anything, it was the name of the graphics engine in Sonic the Hedgehog 2. This engine used a lot of caching of objects to fixed parts of the Sega Genesis console's main RAM to take advantage of the fastest MC68000 addressing modes, something that modern consoles and their malloc() based memory management can't do as effectively. Anything that can emulate a Genesis can run Sonic 2 and any other hypothetical Genesis game that uses the same engine.

    1. Re:Blast Processing defined by EnVisiCrypt · · Score: 0

      That sound. Do you hear it?

      That big whooshing roar. Yeah, that's the sound of a joke doing a high-speed flyby over your head. ;)

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  14. How many are replacement units? by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how many of the consoles sold are replacement consoles for the ones that broke?

  15. Sincerity defined by tepples · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's the sound of a joke doing a high-speed flyby over your head.

    It's possible to lose a lot more karma by making bad jokes (1 Funny + 1 Overrated = -2% karma times the number of pairs of moderats who feel this way) than by intentionally missing a joke and making a sincere comment (1 In* + 1 Overrated = 0 effect on karma).

    1. Re:Sincerity defined by EnVisiCrypt · · Score: 1

      I was just giving you a playful ribbing. Relax.

      With respect to karma, I couldn't give a good god damn about what type of comment will affect it.

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  16. I bet... by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

    2/3rds of those systems were purchased by people whose PS2 died on them once or twice.

    I've purchased several (more than 2) and so have most of my friends.

  17. Love the PS2 by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

    I love my PS2. I'm actually on my second one - not because my first one died, but because I bought the PS2 slimline and gave my first one to a friend. It's all about the games. I've played games on the XBox (including a few that supported 1080i on my HD-TV) but they're too much like games on the PC. There's more variety and unique games on the PS2.

    Can't wait to play "We Love Katamari", or "Shadow of the Colossus" or even "Ratchet: Deadlocked". Last weekend, I went to our local GameStop and picked up some used games to get me through until Christmas. Right now, I'm playing "Maximo" and "Killzone".

    The irony (for me) in Sony shipping the 100 millionth PS2 is that last weekend I also bought a PSOne for $20. I'll use it to set up a dedicated "Dance Dance Revolution" system, so I can get some exercise during the winter.

    1. Re:Love the PS2 by Hitto · · Score: 1

      Trust me, in the long run you'll probably want a cheap PC instead, with this installed.
      But hey, 20 buck's a good deal.

    2. Re:Love the PS2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one thing i've noticed recently, is that my partner's sisters, who are in no way traditional video gamers, have recently bought PS2s primarily for the communal games, like sing star, eye toy and a new one here in australia called buzz [which is a music game show format with four special controllers]..

      i think this may be a growing demographic for console manufacturers, games that can be played in groups and don't necessarily depend so much on controller dexterity etc.. more party games and such..

    3. Re:Love the PS2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shadow of the Colossus and We Love Katamari are two very unique, and very enjoyable games. The latter however, I suggest, if you haven't, get Katamari Damacy. I personally find it more enjoyable.

  18. Hardware? by Repran · · Score: 1

    That should read "1.86 billion units of software"

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  19. Kudos to Sony by fujiman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The PS2 has proven that game consoles are expendable, replaceable, and most importantly for them, re-purchaseable. It seems that if you keep your price even with the percieved value of replacement, you'll sell those things until you run out of plastic to make them.

    While I'd love a console that would last at least 5 years, the PS2 model is making me think they won't try that hard next go-round.

    Why sell something once to someone when you can sell it over and over (also see: music CDs)?

    Actually, I think that is one of many reasons Sony-BMG (et al) hate the digital media (yes, I know CDs are technically digital media) -- it doesn't scratch and never has to be replaced. Not much money in that.

    That being said, MS is doing a great job peeing in their pie. By shortening the console generation, MS is basically robbing Sony of profit. Since Sony has such an enormous lead this time, anything to shake them off balance is good for MS.

    The other thing MS is doing right is the Live Marketplace. Everyone (I know) who has seen it has fallen in love with it. People will be spending money like crazy, 5 bucks at a time.

    Back to Geometry Wars...

  20. well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Sony says global shipments of PlayStation 2 break down..."

    That's really all you have to read.