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Company Claims Development of True AI
YF 19 AVF wrote to mention a press release on Yahoo from company GTX Global. They think they've got a good thing on their hands, going so far as to claim they've developed the first 'true' AI. From the release: "GTX Global Cognitive Robotics(TM) is an integrated software solution that mimics human behavior including a dialogue oriented knowledge database that contains static and dynamic data relating to human scenarios. The knowledge further includes translation, processing and analysis components that are responsible for processing of vocal and/or textual and/or video input, extracts emotional characteristics of the input and produces instructions on how to respond to the customer with the appropriate substantive response and emotion based on relevant information found in the knowledge base." Somehow I think there is a littler hyperbole here. In your estimation, how close are we to the real thing?
When you develop "true AI" you dont make a press release about it, you phone the military of your country of choosing and wait for men to arrive with large briefcases full of money. Let me put it this way, true AI is not annouced by /., you will read about it in Janes about 10 years after it happens.
What kinds of tests did they use that show that this is "true" AI? I see a lot of marketing bullshit and not much real data. I call shenanigans.
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I dont understand the fuss about AI, or various attempts at making intelligent computers. Hell, 80% of humans still arrive into society with no intelligence, and spend the rest of thier lives in a vegetative state staring at the tube. Wouldn't the effort be better spent trying to make the real thing propogate thru the majority of the population, before getting excited about the artificial variety ?
Me: So if you look at who's running what, you get some idea of where they cluster. A bit like looking at someone's zipcode, SAT scores, etc. to figure out how much money they make.
"No. You're making a judgement about an individual without knowing them at all."
I don't need to know you in order to make inferences about you.
I just need to know things are correlated with other things I know about you. E.g. if you read Slashdot, you are probably a white male between the ages of 18-35. The odds that you are a black woman over 50 are very, very low.
In my case, I've researched what webservers technically competent companies run. Besides Microsoft and Godaddy, I can't think of one that does. I can think of tons of technically savvy companies that run Apache and Linux/*BSD, and a few that run Solaris. On the other hand, there are a lot of technically un-savvy companies that use Windows.
If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and I say it is a duck, are you really going to argue that I'm prejudging the thing that looks, walks and quacks like a duck?
Because that's what's going on here.
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This is a press release, uncommented, unresearched. Anyone can claim anything, and will, if it gets them some free publicity. This is not news by any measure, it's pure hype. I have noticed that the Slashdot editors tend to have problems telling the difference.
In your estimation, how close are we to the real thing?
We are climbing trees to try to reach the moon.
I object to that article, and to the next reply.
AI's not that simple, $10 says they have some obfusicated expert system going on.
I often tell young programmers to remember: everything's flim-flammery. You can use absractions that make it seem like you are dealing with, for example, a "window", but you shouldn't lose sight of the fact that what you are dealing with somewhat arbitrary data structures that are designed to create a certain effect in a certain context. Your job is not to create anything that is true, but to achieve certain effects. If you do it efficiently, you end up with a toolkit for achieving whole classes of effects.
I seems to me that the claim of "true AI" is an inherently empty one, because if we knew what "true AI" actually is we'd be more than half-way there. Consequently I would regard any such claim as somewhat suspect. If you think about the Turing test, while it is profound, it is a form a casuistry; it is a tool for making it possible for us to come to agreements on things we don't know how to define.
Consequently, I'd automatically regard any claim of "true AI" to be either naive or dishonest -- or perhaps marketing speak. What they might conceivably have achieved is a toolkit that allows them to solve a large number of apparently loosely related problems with relatively little effort. Underneath they may take some particular mechanism like an expert system, and make it do all kinds of contortionist gymnastics, as you say. But that I don't regard that as dishonest. That's what programmers do, at least the good ones.
However, I doubt they've done even that much.
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No, This is marketing goobledeygok:
Overheard in high level meeting of Big Consumer Tech Corp:
Marketing: So what's the dealio with this new AI thingy I heard about?
IT: It's just a bunch of hot air. That "AI" isn't really all that capable. They claim it can pick up on the emotional state of people on the phone and switch their response script accordingly. No real intelligence involved there of either the real or artificial kind
Customer Relations: Hey! Pull your head out of your Beowulf cluster. Let me provide you with a few numbers on our customer satisfaction ratings with regards to our call centers...
(several snore inducing minutes later)
CEO: Enough already! IT, go get us a couple of gross of those Dual Pentagram Servers you have been salivating over. Install 20 copies of these Virtual Call Center employees on each one. We will set up the "server ranchette" in our North Austin offices. HR, get some H1-Bs for the network administration staff in Bangladore.
Later that week in a press release:
"Big Consumer Tech Corp is pleased to announce that in these times of increased outsourcing of American jobs we at BCTC are shutting down our call centers in Bangladore. The services provided by 6000 employees in India will now be provided here in America."
You either believe in rational thought or you don't
I think you're mixing up two things into one category.
... things like puberty, mood swings, etc.
The strain of being overworked is a physical trait - there is no reason why a computer would have to be subject to that in order to achive true "AI"
I also think you're mixing in chemical balances in the human mind
Just imagine yourself if you were able to be removed from your physical body. You wouldn't have urges to mate, eat, wouldn't get up on the wrong side of the bed, etc. You'd still have intelligence, but your motives would be different and you wouldn't be subject to so much outside interference.
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Let's deconstruct this:
1. Laden with customer-oriented marketing BS. What does AI have to do with customers? Shouldn't it be purely a research thing?
2. What is "True AI"? I thought it had more to do with learning than with interacting with humans based on some database. And I have no fscking idea what emotions have to do with AI.
I think they just came up with another silly chatbot that works harder to simulate emotion but has no AI beyond what the programmers have given it.
"True AI" in my opinion would be something autonomous that has learned how to interact with the real world on its own and can make complex decisions, assimilate complex ideas, discuss complex topics (with humans or other AIs) and show other signs of intelligence. A program spewing random phrases and then winking at you, all generated by data from a database, is not anything I'd write home about.
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