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Rock Face of Kilauea Volcano Collapses

jurt1235 writes "The rockface on the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii recently collapsed over the course of about four hours. The collapse was predicted. The USGS has some great pictures of nature in action. The new rockface, which most likely will fall again, is already being build up by the vulcano." From the CNN article: "The plume, 6 feet in diameter, sent up a tower of steam as it hit the water and began forming a ramp of new land. The collapse of solidified lava shelf and sea cliff Monday was the largest since Kilauea Volcano began its current eruption in 1983."

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  1. Oh, man. by Limburgher · · Score: 5, Funny
    That's a lot of new Thetans.

    (ducks)

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    1. Re:Oh, man. by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Funniest post I've seen on Slashdot in a fair while.

      For anyone who didn't get it you might read the wiki page for Scientology. However, to spare you from going through an entire page on that "religion", here's the related excerpt:
      ...the story of Xenu, the galactic tyrant who first kidnapped certain individuals who were deemed "excess population" and loaded these individuals into space planes for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). These space planes were supposedly exact copies of Douglas DC-8s except with rocket engines. He then stacked hundreds of billions of these frozen victims around Earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago before blowing them up with hydrogen bombs and brainwashing them with a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for 36 days, telling them lies of what they are and what the universe should be like and telling them that they are 3 different things: 'Jesus, God, and The Devil. The traumatized thetans subsequently clustered around human bodies because they watched the motion picture together, making them think they are all the same thing, in effect acting as invisible spiritual parasites known as "body thetans" that can only be removed using advanced Scientology techniques. Xenu is allegedly imprisoned in a mountain by a force field powered by an eternal battery. He is said to be still alive today.

      Space planes and nuclear weapons. The basis for any worthwhile religion.

      [insert comments about WMDs and Bush searching for Xenu here :)]
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    2. Re:Oh, man. by fbg111 · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, to spare you from going through an entire page on that "religion", here's the related excerpt:

      Heh, better yet, download the really funny Southpark Episode on scientology from Xenu.net (free and legal, thanks to Matt Stone and Trey Parker). This is the one that asks Tom Cruise to come out of the closet ~forty times...

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    3. Re:Oh, man. by Shihar · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was a joke on how the "church" of scientology has sued people in the past who have posted their secret church doctrin. They made their names John and Jane Smith as a joke about trying to protect themselves from a lawsuit.

    4. Re:Oh, man. by dotwaffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the fuck do supposedly intelligent people believe this shit???

    5. Re:Oh, man. by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The total crazy stuff isn't revealed to them until they progressed after years of study into the inner circles...
      I think you meant "the total crazy stuff revealed to them until they've paid a lot of money over the years to get into the inner circles..."
    6. Re:Oh, man. by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 3, Funny

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  2. No english-speaking editors working at Slashdot? by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new rockface, which most likely will fall again, is already being build up by the vulcano.

    This should read:

    The new rock face, which most likely will fall again, is already being built up by the volcano.

    Have the Slashdot editors been replaced with ESL monkeys?

    Or perhaps, are there no open source apps with spelling and grammar checking?

    Or perhaps, do they just not care because idiots like me will probably continue coming here out of habit, regardless of how bad the writing and editing is?

  3. The Thing by evdubs · · Score: 3, Funny

    iiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's CLOBBERIN' TIME! ... oh THAT rock face... *ducks*

  4. Re:No english-speaking editors working at Slashdot by MarkByers · · Score: 4, Funny

    I come here for the high quality spelling and grammar corrections in the comments.

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  5. Summary and title is wrong, didn't see that coming by scheme · · Score: 4, Informative

    The rock face of Kilauea didn't collapse. A shelf on the coastline formed by lava flows from Kilauea collapsed. Kilauea is located fairly far inland and has no chance of collapsing without taking a decent portion of the island of Hawai'i with it.

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  6. Some other pictures are available too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For a (usually up to date) view of the nearby lava vent that is the source of all this try http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/cam/index.htm It is currently showing yesterday's image.

  7. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, as the volcano does its thing, it creates new land. Yes, it'll take some time to be useful land, but, new land it is.

    New land ... in Hawaii. That's gotta be worth something!!

    Who owns it?

    If my 2 3/8 acre lot suddenly got bigger on on side, somehow, would I own it? My neighbor?

    Would I have to pay increased taxes on my suddenly-newer lot?

    Does anyone know how this all works?

    1. Re:I wonder by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Who owns it?"

      The federal government. It's all generally a part of Volcanoes National Park.

      "If my 2 3/8 acre lot suddenly got bigger on on side, somehow, would I own it? My neighbor?"

      First off, let's assume for the moment that the process of adding new land doesn't destroy any improvmenets (i. e. lava didn't run down your house). If you're on the wrong side of Kilauea, do you want to know what your property insurance rates look like?

      But beyond that, even after everything had cooled and solidified, this new land generally isn't anything you'd want. It is black rock; it will bake your sorry ass off in the sun (just ask the triathelets in the Ironman, and the parts they run/bike through is much older and much less reflective than the new stuff). Generally speaking, on Hawai'i, there are two flavors of cooled lava: 'a'a and pahoehoe. 'A'a is essentially broken, jumbled black rocks, but very sharp broken, jumbled black rocks (new rocks means no erosion) that can be trecharous to walk on and can kill a new pair of shoes (or your knees and hands when you stumble). Pahoehoe looks like solidifed toffee, a single, solid sheet of EasyBake Oven.

      Not all of the island of Hawai'i is the lush, tropical paradise everybody writes home about. Tropical rainforests (and all that it entails) on the windward side, desert on the leeward, snow on Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, and an outright moonscape on the wrong side of the volcanoes. Even outside of the national park there is a whole mess of land that won't be selling any time soon.

      "Would I have to pay increased taxes on my suddenly-newer lot?"

      Probably the other direction; your property value would likely plummet once Pele is done with it.

  8. Major disaster? Nope. by adnonsense · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Rock Face of Kilauea Volcano Collapses" almost had me lunging for CNN in the hope of spectacular footage of Hawaii sliding into the ocean beneath mile-high plumes of steam and lava, while the USA's west coast falls into panic before the approaching tsunami.

    "Biggish Lumps of Lava Miles from Kilauea Fall Into Sea" would be a more accurate description. Maybe the editors can use that for next week's dupe.

  9. Hawaiian volcanoes have caused tsunamis before by tinrobot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apparently a good part of Mauna Loa did collapse and the resulting tsunami was a few hundred meters high.

    Bad news is that if it happened again, it would decimate Hawaii, but the good news (if you can call it that) is that this sort of tsunami would attenuate before reaching the mainland.

    http://www.mala.bc.ca/~earles/kohala-tsunami-sep04 .htm

  10. Was there three days before it happened... by fbg111 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting story about this. I recently moved to Hawaii, and some friends related to me a few months ago about their visit to Volcano National Park last January, when they were allowed to actually hike right up to the lava flowing into the ocean. They said they could come as close as 10 feet away before the radiant heat of the liquid rock became too much. And it's a beautiful sight at night, with red streaks of lava on the hillside in the distance, flowing about a half mile across the flat shelf (or bench, as geologists call it) from the base of the hill into the ocean. So of course I wanted to go see this too, b/c how often do you get to see real, molten lava, right out of the earth's mantle??? Anyone who thinks this isn't interesting to geeks should think again!

    So I finally got a chance to go with some friends last Friday, day after Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, the park rangers had closed the trail a mile and a half from the lava flow, saying that a bench had collapsed into the ocean several months ago, taking 14 hikers with it, who were never found. I can only imagine that they either drowned, were incinerated, or were buried alive by the landslide, or some ungodly combination of the three. There are also a lot of signs at the park with pictures of a bench breaking off into the ocean and an unfortunate stick figure hiker falling in with it, but the pics are out of scale and make the bench look like a rather small edge of land by the sea, easily steered clear of.

    Anyway, it was a disappointment b/c I really wanted to see the lave up close. My friends and I debated a bit about sneaking out across the lava fields anyway, which would have been quite easy to do since the ranger station was over a mile back down the road, and there were no rangers guarding the trail or anywhere near. We figured we would just stay a good 50 yards or more inland, away from these fragile "benches". We didn't care so much about seeing the lave go into the ocean as we did about just seeing it flowing across the ground.

    But in the end we decided to turn back and head home, and return another day. Only yesterday did I see in the news that a ~40-acre bench had broken off into the ocean. Holy moly, 40 acres! And that was only three days after we almost snuck out on this exact bench, not realizing its massive size! I also discovered that that bench that took the 14 hikers with it was actually ~12 acres, certainly not easily steered clear of. Further, like an iceberg, the lava flowing across the surface of the bench is only a fraction of the total flow, as most of it flows down the hill, hits the bench at the base of the hill, and seeps into tunnels which spread out over a wider swath than the surface flow, and through which it continues its flow to the ocean. These hollow tunnels, combined with the porous brittleness of hardened lava rock and erosion from the ocean water seaping into the bench causes large sections to crumble and break off periodically.

    It's all quite fascinating, but the moral of the story is, kids, when the park ranger at a volcano tells you not to do something but doesn't volunteer the details or say why, trust him anyway and don't do it!

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    1. Re:Was there three days before it happened... by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually a partial collapse of the bench did happen in August 2005, taking ~11 acres (second to last paragraph).
      I'd expect a mention in that paragraph if 14 people had lost their lives in that incident. In fact I'd expect pretty widespread media coverage as well - it's not like people get killed by volcanos very often.
      As for the deaths, I'm repeating what the park ranger told me. Maybe he was telling the truth, or maybe he wanted to scare tourists and exaggerated it, but it looks like others have heard the same.
      I'd guess he was trying to scare you into not doing anything foolish. As for the other link - they say "a year ago", you said the ranger told you it happened a several months ago. It's starting to sound like an urban legend.
      Are you just getting your info from Google, or do you have some first-hand knowledge of the situation?
      I'm just getting my info from Google, but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it on that basis. None of the news reports I've seen on the current collapse have mentioned any such incidence (yet it would be just the sort of thing a journalist would add as background). None of the pages I've found on Hawaiian volcanos or volcano related deaths has mentioned anything either, e.g.: Those pages both mention the 1993 fatality. Of course it's possible that neither have been updated in the last few years, but I'd still expect to be able to find some evidence somewhere on the net.
  11. Re:Arghh by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now THAT is a money shot.