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Google's Ten Golden Rules

selvan writes "Newsweek is running an article entitled Google's Ten Golden Rules. The article, by Eric Schmidt and Hal Varian, going into the philosophy behind the company." From the article: "Don't be evil. Much has been written about Google's slogan, but we really try to live by it, particularly in the ranks of management. As in every organization, people are passionate about their views. But nobody throws chairs at Google, unlike management practices used at some other well-known technology companies. We foster to create an atmosphere of tolerance and respect, not a company full of yes men."

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  1. Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA
    [Eric] Schmidt is CEO of Google. [Hal] Varian is a Berkeley professor and consultant with Google.

    Wow...an article written by Google about how great Google is...the very definition of conflict-of-interest.

    While I'm aware that Slashdot is contractually obligated to post any and all stories about Google that possess even the most infinitesimal amount of positive spin, this seems extreme even here.
    Slashdot: self-adulation for fanboys

    Oh, and Newsweek, shame on you.
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  2. What? by bwd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does any of this really matter now? The moment they went public, their defining philosophy turned into maximizing profits for their share holders in any way lawfully possible. The share holders now control board votes, not google's lofty ideals.

    1. Re:What? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ye gods. Does this have to come up with each and every time? There *are* companies out there that make a nice profit while still maintaining a high quality of both products and customer service. Making a profit does not not necessarily imply screwing over your customers over. Treating your customers with respect and catering to their wishes to create good word-of-mouth advertising(the best there is) is a perfectly viable business strategy.

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    2. Re:What? by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it is true that companies must, by law, work in their shareholders' interests. However, this does not mean that the stock price must be maximized from quarter to quarter. There is nothing illegal about taking the long view and realizing that long-term profitability is maximized when the public respects your brand.

      The "shareholder's interest" argument really means that you can't use the company's money to put a new deck on your house. It is not sinister.

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    3. Re:What? by KDan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't disagree with your statement, but I think that Google's support of chinese censorship cannot be construed to not be "evil", no matter which way you argue it. It fits right into the old saying, that capitalists would sell the rope that they'll be hung with.

      Daniel

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    4. Re:What? by TheKubrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      did you even look into that financial page that you linked?

      hint: explore who the major holders are........

    5. Re:What? by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Insightful

      " Does this have to come up with each and every time?"

      Until people stop parroting Google's corporate motto like brainless sheep, yes. Until then, it's embarrasing watching a bunch of you with your pants around your ankles and your cheeks spread right in front of Google.

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    6. Re:What? by evildogeye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, because Google should take on one of the most powerful governments in the world, while everyone else in America keeps on using cheap Chinese labor to improve their quality of life, happy to ignore the lack of civil rights in China. Personally, I think it would be more evil to deprive more than a billion people of the Google search engine!

  3. Rule number 11 by pubjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    11) Having fricking huge piles of cash so you can actually afford to do 1-10.

    1. Re:Rule number 11 by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What makes you so sure that 1-10 aren't why they have huge piles of cash?

  4. Don't Be Evil?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get why Google has to yammer on and on about "don't be evil". That would say to me that they think most companies are evil, and google has to be different and say that all the time.

    The fact is that the vast majority of businesses aren't evil, Microsoft included. They might do some bad things, but no reasonable person could say they are overall evil. Now Enron, and Worldcom could be considered evil, but there are the rare exceptions in American society, not the rule.

    I like google, but sometimes they are a little full of themselves. They are bright and smart people, maybe too smart for their own good. For all people talk about Microsoft and Apple's arrogance, Google has got a pretty big head for a company not even 10 years old.

    1. Re:Don't Be Evil?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      [quote]
      The fact is that the vast majority of businesses aren't evil, Microsoft included. They might do some bad things, but no reasonable person could say they are overall evil. Now Enron, and Worldcom could be considered evil, but there are the rare exceptions in American society, not the rule.
      [/quote]

      Huh??

      Telecom companies. Energy companies. Tobacco companies. Insurance companies. Credit card companies. Media companies. Car companies.

      If they're doing more bad things than good things, then it seems to me they fit the bill for "evil"... and you can't get to the top by playing nice.

      Software companies might be some of the more benign companies out there... but saying large companies aren't "evil" is just playing with definitions.

  5. Rule #11 by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But nobody throws chairs at Google, unlike management practices used at some other well-known technology companies.

    Thou shalt not be bitchy about competitors.

  6. "Pack Them In" by jkauzlar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We all like to know what the most successful and innovative companies in recent years is telling its employees (or itself). Also, their list is a proposed manual of how to manage "knowledge workers." This could apply to hundreds of companies.

    Also, I take issue with the "Pack them in" criterium. What I like most about my job right now is the space I get. Email, instant-message, radio, etc, make "packing them in" a reality for any company with these technologies. I'd like to be able to fart at my desk or turn on a stereo and not have anybody make a fuss about it.

    I think they're trying to justify sticking their employees two-per-cubicle for lack of floor space.

    1. Re:"Pack Them In" by jkauzlar · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, but not everybody needs somebody looking over their shoulder. The suggestion that I won't do my job well without peer pressure is insulting to my work ethic.

      It's nine o'clock here in Seattle right now. After my coffee sets in and my brain wakes up, I will do the job of three men, if required. While doing this, I will crank up my stereo, sing along if I want to, take a cigarette break whenever I feel like it, and have a dignified sense of independence and self-empowerment. And my job will get done very well.

    2. Re:"Pack Them In" by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The suggestion that I won't do my job well without peer pressure is insulting to my work ethic.
      It's nine o'clock here in Seattle right now. After my coffee sets in and my brain wakes up, I will


      Go on to slashdot and post about how great your work ethic is.
      I'd tell you to go back to work, but I'll follow my own advice instead, good day.

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    3. Re:"Pack Them In" by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think Google avoids this problem to a great extent by applying some of Joel's other principles: Namely, that "Class A" people hire other "Class A" people; and Google actively involves the workers themselves in the decision to hire their teammates.

      I'd imagine there's a very low incidence "being interrupted by stupid questions" and a very high incidence "of greatness feeding greatness in a positive feedback loop".

      Where most companies end up hiring a bunch of mediocre programmers and giving each of them enough personal space to make it as far as they can on their own, Google seems to be incredibly strict about hiring only the best, and making sure that they'll be a good fit for their team before signing them on.

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  7. "Don't be evil"??? by iion_tichy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Riiight... I know collecting data always only ever works out in favour of the individual that has been monitored. Lovely stuff like advertising tailored to your needs etc.

    How on earth does Google want to be not evil, when every single thing they do is designed to collect as much data about people as possible (and that includes "free WLAN for everybody" - monitor surfing habits at the root has to be Google's wet dream)? I think they would have to make a VERY directed effort to avoid being evil.

    1. Re:"Don't be evil"??? by ljw1004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree entirely. Google is an advertising firm. It's sole purpose is to collect data about us and show us more advertising. That's evil from the ground up.

      I think they advertise THEMSELVES so well that collectively the internet community has the wool pulled over its eyes.

    2. Re:"Don't be evil"??? by Asmor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Collecting information is not evil. Not inherently evil, not even a little bit evil. It's not even very easy to find evil things to do with information.

      That said, it certainly is possible to do evil with gathered information, which is why privacy is so important. The difference is, Google seems to have a lot of trust and faith placed in it.

  8. Re:History Repeats by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are people who follow the original Ten Commandments and there are people who don't. Those who have faith, generally do. Those who have none, generally do not.

    Bullshit. I have no faith (i.e. I don't believe in a god) but you don't see me running around having sex with boys, convincing people to give me their life savings, having extra-marital affairs (ok, I'm not married so that doesn't count), murdering my family and so on. I highly doubt you'd find many people who don't have faith who don't follow the underpinnings of the 10 commandments.

    Just because one doesn't believe in a god doesn't mean that they don't follow the basic rules. Nor does it follow that people who do have faith follow the rules. Your broad generalization isn't valid.

    For the record, all the acts I indicated above were and are being done by people of faith. Not just one faith either.

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  9. Re:Do no evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The most convincing arguments are made by people who believe what they say. Google not only eats their own dogfood vis-a-vis using their product, I'm sure for the most part they believe the principals they claim to espouse.

    However, that doesn't detract from the point that Google's sloganeering has a marketing objective. What's the point of Google bombarding us with their "do no evil" slogan anyway? Are they trying to start a religion or something? Maybe, but the main purpose of this catch phrase is to convince us that we can trust Google with confidential private information. You're not going to store your email on Google's servers if you believe they will abuse the privilege. But what do you really know about Google's intentions? All you really know, or think you know, is that they will "do no evil". Oh, how nice.

    So what is "evil"? It's the same kind of gobbledegook meaningless babble that our current administration uses to promote its war on "terror", whatever that is.

    I'm not one of those chicken little folks who believe big bad Google is going to gobble us all up. I'm also not one of those floppy ducklings who swallows so much corporate bullshit every day I don't even notice the taste anymore. And I'm old enough to be more than a little cynical when folks make a big todo about taking the high road. A little modesty and a little honesty from Google would be a welcome sign that they haven't completely lost touch.

  10. Re:knowledge workers by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The downside is that employers like Google expect you to love your job. If you do, good for you. But sometimes you will have other things that you need to do, but the nagging feeling that you're supposed to love your job and express that love by working your ass off will always come up, and you will feel like you're not doing enough for the great ideals of the Company.

    It its own way, that's a worse kind of pressure than Dilbert-style companies have, because it's ideological pressure. You can pretty much predict what a PHB wants - he wants you to do your job, make him look good, and, even though you might have to work overtime until you find a better job, it ends when you go home. If you're supposed to drink the kool-aid and live/breathe the company 'values', then the company is not just trying to take over your time, but your mind, and I for one would rather work a few extra hours at crunch time.

  11. Re:Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is actually a fairly standard article format: they asked the head of a succesful company to write an article on what he thinks makes that company succesful. It's not meant to be an in-depth analysis, just a highlight of what they think is important/different about their company.

    It gives some idea of how the management thinks of the company, and what they try to work on. Sure, it's a fluff piece, the equivilent of the society column for businesses, but it's a moderately useful fluff peice. And it can help some people, espcially if you want to understand how Google thinks about itself.

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  12. 11, 12, 13... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    11. Only hire Ivy League grads.
    12. Make a reference to Stanford in the first five minutes of every conversation.
    13. Require hefty formal academic credentials for positions that are mostly clerical, administrative, or customer service. Because we're cool, like NeXT was.
    14. Use the "W" hotel for conferences; it impresses the kids.
    15. Eric Schmidt can lead us. After all, Sun did so well. And Novell, under his leadership. Plus, he looks like "Jimmy James" from News Radio.
    16. Search! Don't sort! DON'T SORT! Do it OUR WAY! We are SMARTER THAN YOU! In fact, you can't even sign up for this.

    1. Re:11, 12, 13... by castoridae · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, 11-14 are not bad rules to build a successful company. Reworded a bit, you get this:

      11/13. Only hire the best. (Obviously this doesn't directly translate to best == Ivy League grads, although they probably are better than average)
      12. Use your credentializers (i.e. Stanford) - this is marketing 101.
      14. Whether you're selling a product or a company, go for the glitz & glam. Pretty pixels sell software. Fancy hotels sell companies. Yes, the world shouldn't be this way, but it is.

  13. get over yourself plz by tehwebguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's not like it was a trick, the article starts off, "At google, we think..."

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  14. Re:Like acedamia but a real job by Zorandler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Reading between the lines...it's clear that Google isn't much different from any other high-tech company. The reason they want to provide everything to their employees is to keep them there all day and night to toil for Google. Seems much like M$....they provide everything on campus...so why leave?? Oh and by the way, while you're here...might as well put in another few hours coding...

    Bread and Circus....keep them fed and entertained and you can make them do anything!! Hoo ha haaaaaaa!

  15. Re:Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by JohnBaleshiski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Wow...an article written by Google about how great Google is...the very definition of conflict-of-interest.

    Your grasp on marketing is outstanding. :) Seriously, no offense meant but that's what every successful company does. "We're great and here is why..." Would you buy from a company that said "We are not great?" Didn't think so.

  16. Re:Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by Suburbanpride · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Google, like Apple, happens to do a lot of interesting things and deserves some attention for that. I'll avoid bitching about ./ here.

    In this case all my annoyance is at Newsweek. the state of mainstream journalism in this country is pretty bad, and they don't need to be turing over their pages to corperate PR folks. How about taking the CEOs talking points and then going into the workplace and see them actually being implemented? Ask the average employee about the quality of the food in the cafeteria. Do a little work.

    This isn't wuite as bad as the news orginizations who did nothing but repeat the Bush administration's lies in the lead up to war, but its the exact same concept.

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  17. put your money where your mouth is by Danzigism · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Google is fucking fantastic.. its hilarious hearing so many little tools complain about Google.. cmon.. its quite obvious they are the BEST at what they do.. the best search engine, the best advertisement deals, hell, they'll even give YOU money for putting some ads up on your blog.. let us not forget all the amazing software they have released as well.. Google Earth being one of those things..

    And even the Google Toolbar.. personally, it was the first "good" toolbars that actually worked, and blocked popups.. granted, ya don't even need it nowadays, but still, it was a major help 2 years ago.. if you're critical about Google, you obviously must know something that we don't.. you probably read too much in to Google vs MS politics.. screw it man.. the most important thing is, that their products kick ass.. if Google runs their entire world one day, I'll gladly let them.. because I know they'll do a great job.. and the best job..

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  18. Re:Pack them in by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work on contracts for 5 years already (5 years of perm before that drove me to this life :) so I have worked in 6 places in these 5 years (contracts come and go) and I think generally it is not a bad idea to put people on the same project into the same room.

    Now having said that I think there are certain things that should be considered before doing that. First: if people on the project hate each-other this will not help matters.

    Second: do not cram people into small rooms with no windows. It's horrible for morale. The best thing apparently is to have a large room with windows and if the room gets too crowded, split the team into 2 rooms in close proximity.

    Third: one of the projects I worked on was pure eXtreme. I hated the paradigm but liked the process they used for unit tests/cvs merges/deployment and online documentation. But I still think eXtreme is a waste of time and money for very large very long projects. To get a person familiar with the project you may put him(her) together with someone who has been there for a while now for a few days. More than that is a total waste.

    Fourth: it appears that in rooms like this eventually there will be music played on the background. First: don't make it loud, second: don't make it loud. Besides, not everyone likes the same stuff and listenning to Dido's White Flag for 9 hours can really drive you mad.

    Fifth: No food that smells should be allowed in rooms like this, period.

  19. Re:Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by bastardadmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really? This is not being presented as news; it is clearly by Google about Google. I see no reason why Newsweek should be ashamed.
    If this had been in Harvard Business Review, no one would have batted an eye.

  20. fuck google by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i swear, the more i hear about google, the more they sound like the borg from star trek: "resistance is futile" and all that

    of course i'll be modded into obvlivion for saying this, it goes agains the mindless slashot cliques: "google good, microsoft baaad" say the slashdot sheeple

    read the comment again. it's a stupid manifesto of corporate life. the point is, IT'S STILL SOUL SUCKING CORPORATE LIFE

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  21. BullSh*t by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google's top rule "Don't Be Evil" only applies if its not in their best interest to be evil.

    Look at the whole searching printed material fiasco they have gotten themselves into. They just went ahead and started making pages of printed material available online, without regard for the authors and publishers of those works. If Google truely WASN'T EVIL, then they would have sat down with the publishing industry, conveyed what they were trying to do, and work with the industry to create a solution that all would be happy with.

    Communicate effectively? Only if you make them millions. My website was suddenly blocked from using Google's Ads. I was simply experimenting with them, figuring out how to get them into my webpage before it went live. Google claims that I was creating invalid click counts and barred my website from their program. When I tried to contact them to ask them to verify their decision and to explain how they felt I was violating their policy, they simply responded by sending me a link to their policy. When I felt I did not violate their policy, I was basically ignored from that point forward.\

    Hire by committee. I know exactly how this works. First step, write a test to see if you know your stuff. While this may sound like a great concept in hiring practices, in truth their are many brilliant programmers out their that may not know exactly how to write a template C++ class or other trivial menial programming concepts. But, in reality, they have created astounding and well conceived application solutions from an almost intrinsic and intuitive knowledge of programming. Score badly on that test and you won't be talking to anyone else at Google, period. On the flip side, hiring people that score well on those tests mean they studied just before the test, or have enough book smarts to remember countless meaningless trivial tidbits, and then wonder why they can't program themselves out of a box or have one ounce of creativity.

    Strive to reach consensus. The "many are smarter then the individual" myth. I don't know, its been my experience that the collective IQ of all society is 0. The larger the group of people involved in making the decision, the dumber the outcome. Look at US politics. George Bush elected a second time? Look at Candian Politics. Jean Cretien Liberal's lasted 13 years? This is because humans can't communicate effectively in a group and any important decision making gets lots in endless meetings, debates and discussions which starts to cloud the obvious decision. If this is how Google is doing business, then it explains why projects like GMail have been in a perpetual beta for over 2 years and they are falling behind other more innovative web mail solutions.

    I don't like Google, period. They are quickly becoming a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none company creating knee jerk reactionary services and spreading themselves out too thin. The bubble will burst once Google can no longer higher enough staff to work in each of the many many projects they have on the go. Eventually, as I said with Gmail falling behind Yahoo and other more innovative web email server solutions, Google will start to see the quality of those services suffer as users strive to find other more focused solutions by companies not interested in dominating the entire web experience.

    Google is out to ensure that you have to pass through them to get anything done on the web. Anybody not realizing how monopolistic and dominating their goals are probably thinks Microsoft is a nice benevolent company creating good products. The only people that believe this tripe are Wall Street investors throwing billions at a company that really isn't doing anything other then organizing data other people have created.

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  22. Enron's motto by Kevbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the day, Ken Lay, CEO of Enron, used to tout Enron's internal policy of always taking the moral high ground and that all its employees exhibited the highest ethical standards, even going so far as to say that Enron set the bar when it came to business ethics. Shocking to think that we cannot always trust what the heads of corporations tell us.

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  23. Re:Newsweek and Slashdot: redefining fluff. by be-fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congratulations on missing the point. This isn't an article on how great Google is. This is an article by somebody in Google management trying to explain how Google handles its employees, and why it has been sucessful. For somebody managing a small company, emulating some of these things might be interesting. I know gang interviews will be a new concept to at least a few people. We used them where I used to work, and they're a blast. It's easy for a canidate to convince management that he knows the engineering, its less easy for him to convince his potential coworkers.

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  24. Mission Statements. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The following are some examples of mission statements from real enterprises. . .

    Mary Kay Cosmetics: "To give unlimited opportunity to women."
    Right. And they do this by adding their weight to the ceaseless hammering of women through the media with the message, "Your natural body state is Ugly. You will be Unloved and Unhappy unless you use our Products." Oooh. Feel the power.

    Merck: "To preserve and improve human life."
    One word: "Vioxx".

    Well, maybe a second word, "Thimerosal" (Mercury) in their various vaccines, including their flu shot.

    Wal-Mart: "To give ordinary folk the chance to buy the same thing as rich people."
    Selling out the West to the Chinese might kill the economy altogether, which will certainly mean that the rich and the poor might share the same bread lines. Sort of a weird way to level the playing field if you ask me, but what do I know. . ?

    Interestingly, another of Wal-Mart's mission statements was, "Become a $125 billion company by the year 2000". Ah. Greed; the very spirit of altruism! No conflict there, boy!

    Walt Disney: "To make people happy."

    Why does that send a chill up my spine? How about, "Offer happiness"? Or at least, offer media which some might find uplifting. In any case, I can't help but recall the episode where Disney security staff held the body of a boy who drowned on one of their rides under water until the park closed so that nobody would have their, "happiness" (or their PR) spoiled by the unpleasant aspect of a dead boy being returned to grieving parents before closing time. How about, "Disney: Where ignorance is bliss, and enforced."

    McDonald's: "McDonald's vision is to be the world's best quick service restaurant experience. Being the best means providing outstanding quality, service, cleanliness, and value, so that we make every customer in every restaurant smile."

    Another nice-sounding mission statement from a company which helps kill Americans with toxic food and destroys millions of acres of rainforest globally to do it. Cool.

    So, is Google evil?

    Spiderman said it best; "With great power. . ." I use Google's search engine all the time. Their potential to reshape the world, as with all of the above corporate giants, is certainly there. And so is the corporate culture which allows amoral activities to rule their actions. So evil or not, I think a healthy amount of skepticism and observation and keeping brushed up on alternatives is very wise. --Because mission statements alone don't keep people honest.


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  25. Re:Being happy is good by GoCats1999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But on the other hand, the way they get you to stay at work is by making you genuinely want to stay at work because it's enjoyable. I really don't think that's evil--if it works, you are happy; if it doesn't then you don't have incentive to stay later than your work requires, and you go home.

    What is the average amount of hours people spend at Google (or any of the other companies on the list)? Not knowing the specifics of Google's work culture, let's just assume people work on average from 9:30 to 7:30 every day (e.g. 10 hr days) on average, and then of course, maybe 15+ hour days during "crunch time".

    My question to you is, if Google DIDN'T offer all those "benefits" to working there, would those hours go down... and go down considerably? If so, then you could make the logical conclusion that these "benefits" *are* in fact causing people to work longer.

    I, too, used to work at one of these companies -- and i found myself at work 10, 11 hours a day regularly, and 16+ (one day even 20) hours during crunch time -- because I was totally bought into the culture; Because the company loves me so much to give me such a "fun" work environment with such "great" people to work with who all love their jobs, I must love my job too, or there must be something wrong with me. No, this wasn't pressure being applied to me by management or other coworkers, this was subconscious, psychological pressure I applied to myself simply because of the environment that was created by all these "benefits". Over the years, as I finally have some perspective to look back at my time there, I have realized that it's a self-serving environment that only feeds itself, which is what makes it so addicting, and to be honest, successful at getting employees to stay late and "love" doing so.