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IBM Promotes Linux Partners to Highest Tier

Anonymous Anonmenon writes "Big Blue was at it again today after it promoted the two leading commercial Linux distributions to the highest level tier of its Strategic Alliance Program. From the article: '[The Strategic Alliance Program] is designed to allow independent software vendors (ISV) work through one point of contact within IBM as opposed to navigating through several relationships with representatives from different divisions. The move was billed by executives from all companies as a means to make it simpler for clients to acquire open standards-based Linux hardware, software, and services through integrated sales, distribution and services channels.' The announcement was also heavy on the Java side, with both Red Hat and Novell pledging a 'reinforced commitment' to the Java developer community and J2EE."

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  1. IBM only likes the "L" in LAMP by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 3, Informative

    IBM has been a good friend to those parts of the open source community that fit its overall strategy. However, the emphasis on Java shows the importance it places on trying to protect its WebSphere revenue.

    1. Re:IBM only likes the "L" in LAMP by temojen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Java is a buzzword marketroids know. Apache, MySQL (PostgreSQL!! get with the program, hosting providers), and PHP don't have marketing buzz in financial papers or stock analysis magasines.

  2. Fantastic by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Maybe one of these days I'll see the source to DB2, Websphere, MQ and such. Heck, never mind the source... I'll settle for less draconian licensing. Open source and all that, IBM is now.

    Then again probably not.

    IBM can talk the talk all day but at the end of the day regardless of all the Linux lip service they really don't walk the walk, and probably never will.

    1. Re:Fantastic by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IBM can talk the talk all day but at the end of the day regardless of all the Linux lip service they really don't walk the walk, and probably never will.

      I haven't been an IBM employee for several years, but the friends I still have at IBM say that IBM still isn't eating its own food. They're pretty well standardized with Windows 2000/XP across all of their internal desktops and many of their lower end servers. You'd think that a company beating the OSS drum so violently would at least get Linux working on their own desktops. As it is, the people that I know who work at IBM (sysadmins) have never even seen Linux running on any machines at IBM or otherwise. But maybe they really are pushing OSS heavily on the high end and just ignoring OSS for middle and lightweight applications. It's entirely possible.

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    2. Re:Fantastic by bckrispi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      IBM can talk the talk all day but at the end of the day regardless of all the Linux lip service they really don't walk the walk, and probably never will.

      Have we forgotten already that the Eclipse foundation started with millions of lines of proprietary code donated by IBM?

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    3. Re:Fantastic by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't quite hypocritical.

      IBM has a lot of legacy stuff (documents, enterprise apps, specialized business and engineering tools) that wouldn't operate cleanly in a Linux environment. Even if it's a small percentage of their information and tool base, it's an argument for backward compatibility.

      They can convince you to buy Linux if they can convince you to loose yourself from your legacy constraints. But they can't convince themselves because it would cost them more than they're willing to spend. You might have a different tolerance for the change.

  3. What is significant about this announcement? by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While it's nice to read good news like this for the Linux community, this seems more like marketing people on both sides coming up with "something" to justify their existance ... is there some "meat" behind this or am I just missing it?

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    1. Re:What is significant about this announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      IBM has promoted these partners to "Super Special Vice-president" of their club. This means they are allowed in the clubhouse without using the secret knock. :)

  4. Java? by RManning · · Score: 5, Funny

    The The announcement was also heavy on the Java side, with both Red Hat and Novell pledging a 'reinforced commitment' to the Java developer community and J2EE.

    IBM is slipping. Don't they know that Java is so 90's?
  5. Novell and Java by slashdotnickname · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So Novell wants to reinforce their commitment to the Java community while at the same time funding Mono, a project porting .NET to Linux/etc...

    interesting... very interesting... (strokes soul patch)

    1. Re:Novell and Java by m50d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Novell devotedly supports whatever their customers want. Which right now means both Java and .Net.

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    2. Re:Novell and Java by int19h · · Score: 2, Insightful


      This isn't very interesting at all.


      You can compile a java-program and run it under Mono.
      Eclipse runs under Mono.
      See: http://www.go-mono.com/images/ikvm-screenshot.png


      As the distinction between Java, .NET and Mono seems to be unclear to a few people, I'll throw in my "humble view":


      • Mono supports several langauges, that easily interoperate. Java supports one langugage.
        You can write in support for other languages in Java, like Jython, but this is not the point.
        A compiled function written in Boo can easily be called from C#.
        See: http://www.mono-project.com/Languages

      • Mono has a compiler, VM, and a bunch of classes that are all As Free As They Can Be (tm).
        In addition, Mono has re-implemented a few microsoft-specific classes, that can easily be removed, where there supposedely is an incredibly tiny chance that anyone will care. If you're making Linux-only programs, this will never be an issue for you, and you'll have a very nice and powerful tool for making programs with.
        See: http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_General

      • It's easy to call .dll's and .so's from Mono. For what I know, It's not that easy from Java. I tried calling some dlls a few years ago, and it was a mess. For me, at least, the threshold for calling a function from libsomething.so from Java is a lot higher than from Mono. Especially if you're planning on doing this in a crossplattform way, which Mono has support for. You can call the native .so on Linux and the native .dll on windows, with the same program.
        See: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8794

      • Python supposedly runs faster under IronPython (which runs on Mono) than normal python (CPython).
        See: http://www.python.org/pycon/dc2004/papers/9/


      Regardless of my list of points above, I hope you'll see that Novell could very well be "reinforcing their commitment to the Java community, while at the same time funding Mono".

  6. Article Summary by olddotter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Basiclly this sounds like a defence against LAMP marketing statement. I belive that Java will remain popular in older large corporations. (Where I work they only recognize Java and ASP for web development. Everthing else is discouraged.)

    But I think Perl/PHP/etc. will continue to gain popularity ammoung smaller companies and pure web companies. (Ie. Companies that are more progressive in nature.)

  7. Re:This just in... by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The titantic that is software arm of IBM is sinking.

    Hmm...I'm not quite sure how you'd decide that. According to IBM's latest 10-Q report, in the quarter ending 30 Sept. 2005, their software division had revenues of a little over 3.8 billion US dollars, and costs of 483 million US dollars. By contrast, their hardware division had revenues of 5.12 billion dollars, but costs of 3.2 billion dollars. IOW, they're showing a gross quarterly profit of about 3.3 billion dollars from software, and only about 1.9 billion from hardware. Looked at on a percentage basis, software looks even better for them: it constitutes almost 18% of their revenues, but only about 3% of their costs.

    Their highest revenue division is services -- but even with the largest revenues, this still has slightly lower profits than their software (about 300 million less per quarter than software).

    As far as sinking goes: their revenue from software is up about 200 million dollars per quarter from a year ago, while their costs are up only about 20 million dollars a quarter. IOW, their total sales are growing, and they're getting better profit margins too!

    Just for comparison, Microsoft's latest 10-Q [warning: Word format, of course] shows they have about 9.6 billion in quarterly revenues (total) and costs of about 6.3 billion, for a gross profit of a bit under 2.6 billion. IOW, IBM's software division produces more profit than Microsoft!

    In fairness, that comparison probably isn't entirely accurate: in Microsoft's case, it's taking essentially all expenses into account, including things like R&D (1.5 billion dollars a quarter!) which probably aren't accounted for on a divisional basis at IBM (though I didn't dig through things enough to be sure about that).

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  8. Re:If you need Java compatibility use Jython by abigor · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can type check at compile time with a utility called pychecker. It works very well. So, you can have the advantages of dynamic typing with the safety of static typing by taking this step. The best thing is to automate it, so it runs with your unit tests.

  9. Cool by Trogre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The The announcement was also heavy on the Java side, with both Red Hat and Novell pledging a 'reinforced commitment' to the Java developer community and J2EE."

    So does this mean we might be seeing a working Java implentation soon that isn't controlled by Sun?

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  10. Re:This just in... by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I am not trying to discredit your numbers, but take this into note. Most of the hardware they sell probably also generates software revenue, but software can be sold completely separate of hardware.

    Oh, no problem at all -- I don't really care a whole lot whether the numbers are given a lot of credence at all -- after all, they're IBM's numbers, not mine. I simply looked, and didn't quite see where the parent comment seemed to fit with reality. In all honesty, it's still possible that it might though -- just for an obvious example, as you've noted, it may be that most of their software sales are really tied to hardware sales. When I said I didn't really understand the parent comment, I was being honest -- I'm not sure it's wrong, but based on the financial data I'm not quite sure what makes it obviously right either. These are supplied to prospective investors, so I'm sure they try to put the best face on things they can, so these numbers should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, at least to somebody like me who's not a financial analyst, it's not particularly obvious that their future is anywhere close to all doom and gloom by any means.

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