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Algorithms Determine Mona Lisa's True Emotions

caffeinemessiah writes "The BBC reports that researchers at UIUC and the University of Amsterdam, Holland have used "emotion recognition" software to determine Mona Lisa's true emotions. The algorithm is based on a library of neutral face images of young women and determined that Mona Lisa was 83% happy and 9% disgusted." From the article: "The program, developed with researchers at the University of Illinois, US, draws on a database of young female faces to derive an average 'neutral' expression. The software uses this average expression as the standard for comparisons. The New Scientist says that software capable of recognising emotions just by looking at photographs could lead to PCs that adjust their response depending on the user's mood. "

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  1. You know by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Funny

    First time I saw the painting I said "She looks bored ".
    She had likely been sitting there for hours having her painting done , likely irritated , in need of the toilet and bored .

    Perhaps since the knew study is out , we have discovered that Da Vinci painted naked and was fairly good looking . She was probably thinking "Oh dear lord , he is nude . Oh wait , fairly hot body though .. must not look interested , I don't want to appear easy , but Meooooow"

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    1. Re:You know by greenguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the parent is right. In those days, there were only gays acts, not gay people. By extension, the same thing went for straight people. People were just people, and their sex acts did not define them. There's definitely something to be said for that.

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    2. Re:You know by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is an expansion on that...

      What is absolutely untrue is the reference in The Da Vinci Code to Leonardo's reputation as a "flamboyant homosexual". He was not known as such. Historical evidence is sketchy about the latter, and the only thing Leonardo was "flamboyant" about was his inability to finish projects he started.

  2. And... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Funny

    83% happy and 9% disgusted

    and 8% lost, seemingly.

    1. Re:And... by Flashbck · · Score: 5, Informative

      And to modify your sig: Those who can't RTFA, complain about stupid crud

      Quote from the third paragraph in the article:
      It concluded that the subject was 83% happy, 9% disgusted, 6% fearful and 2% angry, New Scientist magazine was told.

  3. Clippy 2008 by TomSawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clippy: Ok man, I was just saying... I should really just go, sorry.

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  4. So... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    She did have gas.

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  5. How this probably works ... by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can find corpuses of human faces taken with different emotions displayed.

    Once you've either collected them yourself or downloaded them, you need to use a process called eigenanalysis which is basically fancy talk for analyzing a large dataset with multiple classes (emotions) using matrix decomposition.

    I've actually worked on many projects involving this and the result is an eigenface (or eigenmask) that allows you to transform the space that the original image is in and classify it using any of a number of algoirthms that use euclidean distance.

    I know I left out a lot but there are many papers out there that you can find on citeseer and white papers floating around out there that provide a lot of reading material on this.

    There are also strategies which require tagging certain features as points on the face (like corners of eyes, corners of mouth, center of eye, etc) and then using the relative distances between all these points to determine what classification you would give a new face. The problem with this is that it requires a lot of hand work to prepare the training set.

    Hope this helps anyone who wants to learn more about the actual process used to accomplish this recognition.

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  6. I don't buy it by gusmao · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mona Lisa is a woman, how can any software possibly tell what she is really thinking?

  7. A painting isn't a photograph by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This of course assumes that DaVinci captured her exact expression... Chances are that the painting just developed that way. Anyone who does art by hand knows that it's not a photograph and that the painting more or less takes on it's own personality as it's being created.

    If it were a photo then yes I'd be more apt to accept an algorythmic interpretation of the image.. but paintings take time and it's doubtful that a person feels the exact same way over the course of days or weeks or even months it took for this painting to be completed.

  8. translated into "emoticon recognition" by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    83% happy

    .83(:-))

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  9. Re:Thank you by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's also possible to appreciate and enjoy this science, whether or not you believe the algorithm's results.

  10. The Slashdot Method by ccnull · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find this story 83% Interesting and 9% Funny.

  11. Art needs two by quokkapox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They're not trying to take the mystery out of it, they're trying to understand it in yet another way.

    Art needs two, one to start, and one to reply.

    It's meaningless (to society) unless somebody else looks at it, thinks about it, talks about it. The more, the better.

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    1. Re:Art needs two by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      They're not trying to take the mystery out of it, they're trying to understand it in yet another way.

      That's the truth, I think. Everyone sees Art in the way they choose. I think people often get upset when a new and scientific approach is taken to interpreting a piece of art however, because they often feel the scientist is implying their interpretation is somehow more valid than anothers. And to be fair, there is some truth to that.

      But the painting remains the painting, before and after.

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  12. Warning Signs by Mignon · · Score: 4, Funny
    software capable of recognising emotions just by looking at photographs could lead to PCs that adjust their response depending on the user's mood.

    If your computer says "I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you," then you should pull the plug immediately.

  13. Nice trick these researchers have discovered by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Invent algorithm
    2. Apply it in a domain where your work can't be falsified
    3. ???
    4. Profit!
  14. Re:Waste of time... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I *could have* played with my pecker all morning and come up with something more useful than this." (emphasis mine)

    Eww. I always just discard that stuff, what do you do with it that makes it so useful?

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  15. A programming problem by Myrmidon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Okay, here are my questions for the Slashdot community:

    1) You're writing some code. You call the User Emotional Analysis API, and it reports back that your user is currently "83% happy and 9% disgusted". How should your software "adjust its response" in reaction to this information?

    2) What happy/disgusted ratio leads to maximum productivity?

    3) What are the odds that the Mona Lisa is a portrait of a Perl programmer?

  16. So what by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    everything can be quantified

    As Einstein said, "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted, counts."

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  17. And the ??? stands for: by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    (this is actually the first time I play this game, let me know how I'm doing!)

    3a. Patent algorithm.
    3b. Sue everybody that looks 83% happy or 9% disgusted

  18. A note about the Mona Lisa by skintigh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This painting was not made in one sitting. Or two. Or ten.

    It was never even finished.

    The subject, ASSUMING THERE WAS ONE, sat for one or several sessions and then Leonardo continued to work on the painting off and on for the rest of his life.

    There is speculation as to who the subject was, but perhaps there was none, and some think it's actually a self portrait in drag (perhaps the cause of the mostly amused but 9% disgusted?)

  19. oh crap... by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... so now machines are both better than men in bed, and better at knowing how the women feel?

    Guys, we're becoming extinct here...

    1. Re:oh crap... by the.Ceph · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think if machines were better then men in bed we would have been extinct a long time ago. Luckily due to the massive conspiracy throughout academia to stop women from becoming engineers the risk of the prophecies coming true is minimal.

  20. YES! by evil-osm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hope this helps anyone who wants to learn more about the actual process used to accomplish this recognition.

    You can bet your purple pants it does!! I can finally put an end this this scenario:

    Wife: "no, there's nothing wrong, I'm not mad at you"
    muhahahaha.... thats when I take the polariod and get a snapshot
    Me: "Yeah right, we'll just see about that!"

    Two weeks later the divorce goes through and my ass is on the curb.

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  21. 90% Lisa, 10% Mona by jbum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On a related note, back in February, I searched Flickr for photos matching the tags Lisa or Mona.
    The results indicate that 9/10ths of the women in these photos are named Lisa. I built
    a photo mosaic from the results, which can be seen here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/krazydad/4921613/in/s et-95771/

  22. Thank god, I am not the only pervert here by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Funny
    I thought almost the same thing. Except knowing something about italy she probably said "miaaaoooo".

    She has that expression of a woman looking at a naked man and being faintly aroused but also faintly amused at that "last chicken in the poultry shop" display. If your in a long relationship were your girl still fancies you but feels secure enough she doesn't have to constantly worship as a god to keep your ego up you will learn to regonize that look. Oh well it is better then when they break down in laughter while you are trying to pose seductivly. I guess men just aren't designed to look good naked with their socks on.

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  23. Algorithms Determin This Article's True Value by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    My algorithms say this article is 98% BS and 2% Who Cares...

  24. My new mood-adjusting PC... by ksc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Launching Firefox...
    You're bored...
    You're horny...
    You're horny...
    You're disgusted!
    You're horny...
    You need a cigarette...
    You're bored...

  25. Camera Obscura, etc by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It was not unusual, at that time, for artists to use a range of techniques for capturing the key points of the person they were painting, to avoid having a person sit for ages whilst being painted. This means that although the painting would not be a "true" photograph, it could have been extremely close to one.


    On a related note, this might also explain the resemblance to Leonardo. Let us say that he did, indeed, have a woman sit for just long enough to sketch in the key facial lines. He would then have needed to add in the skin texture and other features that couldn't have been captured by whatever method he used. It would be logical for him to have used his own face to capture such information. The Mona Lisa would then have been a composite of the original model and himself, which means that it would indeed have a resemblance to him.


    X-Ray analysis of the original painting reveals sketches and paintings below the Mona Lisa - though there was no sign of anyone having written "This is a fake" in felt-tip pen, much to the chagrin of Doctor Who fans. It would be interesting to know how the different levels relate to each other - were the earlier pictures earlier versions of the same painting? If they are analyzed with the same software, does it produce the same result?

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