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Senate Fails To Reauthorize Patriot Act Provisions
PostConsumerRecycled writes "CNN is reporting that 'The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders ... If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on December 31.' The story also links to listing of the provisions that will expire."
You're great at regurgitating quotes and links from biased sources, but how about some actual facts? It would be nice, for a change, to hear of some specific examples of how the government has used its powers beyond the reasonable scope of national security. Whenever these topics come up, the chatter is always full of paranoid fantasies or propaganda from those with clear political loyalties. Even the news today had little about specific cases, plus it was reported by a man with a book coming out soon. But I guess if political discussions had to follow the same strict disciplines that science research papers do, they would be boring.
You remember Soviet Russia, right? Where secret police recorded every conversation, where people were arrested without warrants or habeas corpus, where "enemies of the state" were sent to gulags?
For those who cannot remember it, you can just take a look at the us (they still have not thrown the patriot act out of the window and they still have a tyrant as a president)
Freedom or George Bush
No, this is more than just not getting enough votes to overcome a filibuster. This is nearly half a dozen Republicans turning on Bush and his cronies and saying things like "They that would give up essential liberties to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (John Sununu, quoting Benjamin Franklin)
That's one small step for justice, one giant leap for freedom.
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After 9/11 they said "the government failed to connect the dots".
Now, 4 years later, we've decided we don't even care to try to connect the dots any more. I guess it's a good thing terrorism doesn't exist any more and we'll never again be threatened by it.
Hide the dots. Mod them away.
Bush's reign of terror is over. Lame duck president. No patriot act. Good for us all.
I believe this is the best outcome you can expect after the past 4 years of horrible mismanagement.
Your ignorance is infinitely greater than you realize.
In classic style; the whimpering left is dying to keep their debaucherous lives under wraps. And by doing, have once again crippled our country's ability to defend itself. This self indulgent political opportunism is the exact cause of 911. I read over the 16 items up for expiration and it's utterly pathetic that all of them are designed to protect this country, its people, and our way of life, but they are viewed as a threat by these simpletons because, Heaven forbid, they might just get caught up in a dragnet targeting terrorist... More terrorists attacks will be performed on our soil, you liberals (Demoncracks) need to reflect on this moment before you go get stoned and start pointing fingers at the current government like you did post 911 when the next attack comes. This action today precisely illustrates EXACTLY why we can't stop them.
Rense is neither racist nor anti semitic. He personally is anti zionist, a really large difference. Look it up if you don't know the difference. "Zionism" is a rather extreme and predatory political movement, it is not a "race". There are secular jewish zionists, atheist zionists, even christian zionists, of all human "races" and colors. It's a political distinction-get it now?
The closest thing to it, in a parallel analogy, might be the Wahhabists, an extreme mostly-muslim movement with predatory political overtones...Very similar goals and tactics to the zionists. both are equally repulsive. Not liking either does not make one a racist either, one merely needs to dislike their politics.
If you note on his page, he has quite a few jewish orgs who support him, those who are opposed to zionism, or opposed to the long term goal of a planned conquest of the mideast and overt and covert manipulation of the US/UK political process by the current government of Israel.
Don't confuse legitimate political differences with racism, even though certain other political orgs, like the JDL, etc., want you to. Resist the brainwashing/propoganda efforts. Just as with muslims in general, don't fall for the propoganda that all muslims are "al queda terrorists". Rense is an *extremely strong and vocal supporter of free speech and human rights for all*-not just a select few, but for ALL, and for generally cutting through the B.S. that passes for "news" today, and for letting the chips fall where they may in the nature of true reporting-no sacred cows or untoucable taboos like you get with the bulk of the Main Stream Media.
so am I! i guess its too difficult to defend a government that defends its own country.. (as well as bush has!;-) really! as far as I am concerned I couldn't have given two hoots about who was in power 10 years ago until things really started smelling bad in the world... and as far as i can see a republican vote will always come through for me and the thousands of other americans who republican... unless every one's trying to imply that a) clinton is not guilty of a slight misdemeanor thats probably every democrats worst night mare.. and that jhon kerry is really capable of handling a presidential race like a man!! let alone presidency..
quick get to the point...!!! are you defending, criticizing or simply making a statement that is obvious (as usuall).. look at it this way if the US is all this then thats the way it is and that the way it will always be, since i don't think the brits are smart or were smart enough to handle the current situation as it is and has always been, nor the germans and the french are really (cowards too), when it come down to it a simple explanation of what is really happening in the world today and maybe just maybe you'd have a point about the power and the extent of that power the that USA posses and why it is legitimate means of controlling the whole infrastructure of the world... my question to you is: are you talking about the republican administration, globaliztion or taxes.. from my point of view you've got all three right and it still sounds like you are complaining..
damn straight that right! after 9/11..... with all the innocent people that died in those towers, you're willing to tell me that the measures that bush and the republicans have been willing to take to evade another attack of the same sort is not correct... i think your minds tied up in booze,sex and money and not real life buddy...! (i do recall something about too many overcharged credit cards by coward anonymous or something...).. in reality if the government has to tap our phone lines and is in our computers (which they are) to protect and defend us from another mistake like 9/11 ( which i blame on 8 years of democratic BS by the now more than infamous MR.Clinton) my question is who of us here have anything to hide!? i don't.. like the rest of the hard working MAJORITY that don't have their hands down their pants..
know why! bush will get things done and clinton was caught brown nosing.... i guess thats what they do there...
bleeding hearts and big money (like bill i guess no pun intended) no fair ! score five for fraud hunter! read it in the moderator faq.... whome ever moderated his thread as a -1 (for stating that too many democrats are whining about why there are reasons to defend and can't take one moment to reflect on how much liberalism is really possible and why it is such an antogonist in many of the problems globally... i guarantee you that half the countries that these liberals are willing to defend don't want to be defended and are already engaging in war through no ones will but their own).... is Bias!
in the us thats drunk drivers not cars guess that makes all europeans drunk drivers... yet another action on the part of the government that is republican based, biased and led... funny why so many liberalists think were cracking down on drunk driving too hard, yet president bush should do something about it....
A) ditto ; everyone who voted bush in did because they felt the statisfaction of knowing they have nothing to hide.. or need to hide b)that was the whole point behind the framers creating the constitution... if there is a disturbance in equilibrium it can be accounted for.. as it has been for 200 years.. or should that be only when the democrats are in power.. i guess republicans face the bull by the horns and the democrats are ready to convey that that equilibrium is the problem only when republicans are in power... a balance of power is a balance of power not a negotiation or reason to digress. c)who's hiding from the government...? let me go over some. great books of our time 1984 brave new world farenheight 451 animal farm if you're telling me there is a reason to hide from the government today.... either you flunked 11 and didn't read any of these books... or your telling simply>>> you do have something to hide.. its called rhetoric.. i have nothing to hide! bit i don't want to hide.... if you ever read these books you'd know the authors of these books wrote these early 20th century to send a message to the future that living under any government power would be the same means to an end.. according to them all governments would eventually go bad whether democrtic, republican, facsist or kingdom. the point they made though is that only the people who believed in this type of opppression would be affected. what happened? reality! checks and balances and a way to keep an equilibrium in the government..who doesn't agree? you! why? cuase the systems unfair! if you read in between the lines youd see that is exactly what brought around such governments... mistrust in the people who run the country, corruption and people who don't have faith in the consititution as a way of amending itself.. democracy today.. if the laws have to made to constitute for another law the thats what has to be done.. its not about whos corrupting who and whos doing what behind our back... if you had any real notion of how the government works youd know : the bill didn't pass because it has to go through a series of votes by each committee and that sooner or later it will be reintroduced in a more contextual version of the exact same measures not because it doesn't work... we don't have idiots running the country.. democrats have been to used to way too much freedom and liberalism starting in the sixties and now they regret.. face it! this isn't about hiding its regret.!