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Software Predicts Movie Success

scheming daemons writes "TechNewsWorld has an article about software that predicts whether a movie will be successful or not by factoring in its rating by censors (e.g. G, PG, R), strength of the cast, genre, competition from other films at the time of release, special effects, whether it is a sequel, and the number of theaters in which it will show."

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  1. What about the most important part? by Spazntwich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A good script?

    1. Re:What about the most important part? by delirium_9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must be new here. You don't need a good script to make a succesful movie. Just ask George Lucas (or Arnie, Charlize, Julia, Brad,...)

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  2. Program?? by malraid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can do this with Excel and some previous statistics! How breaktrough it this? Of course, if it's a program that analyzes the script, that would be another matter, but it's not.

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  3. Music Industry Did This Too by gasmonso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The big recording labels had developed software to determine the quality of song. Apparently, they could determine if a song would be a megahit or a flop. Judging from what I've heard on the radio, it doesn't seem to work. Hopefully the movie industry will have better success.

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    1. Re:Music Industry Did This Too by owlstead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, hopefully, they won't have (better) success. More sucky movies can only be the result of this.

    2. Re:Music Industry Did This Too by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suppose what these type of algorithms really say is how close a song (or movie) followed a successful formula - but it cannot predict a new genre of music (or movie) and will give you a false negative on it's success.

      In any given genre - there was one or a generation of breakthrough artists and then the imitators get quickly spawned off to leech off that success. These algorithms try to predict the success of the leeches.

      Just watch TV for confirmation - CSI becomes successful - there are X,000 CSI like shows on TV now. Medium becomes successful, how many medium-type show are on TV now? (I'm not saying these are the original trendsetters, but the original ones for this TV cycle).

      But if the creative arts are tested against these algorithms, diversity will die and so will the audience as everything will become the SOS (Same Old Shit, more than it is now).

  4. But what about by udderly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Napoleon Dynamite? I find it hard to believe that this script would have predicted the success of this film.

    Also, this actually kind of disgusts me since it seems IMHO that it relies on the same formulaic approach that's responsible for the poor offerings that Hollywood is currently producing.

  5. More data than they need by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this thing does any good predicting at all, I'm sure it's based on the number of screens that the movie shows on. Once you have that number, I'm sure your pick will usually be pretty close. This is because the theater companies pay public opinion eggheads big bucks to figure out how many screens to reserve for movies... based on the movie's expected audience draw. These theater people do the actual analysis. To piggyback on their results and then pretend you were the insightful one seems really ... unimpressive.

  6. Not Objective Criteria by bcnstony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many of the criteria used here are subjective, and based upon existing human estimation of the movie's success. For instance, when a movie opens in a large numbers of theatre's simultaneously, it usually means people have already predicted it will be successful. Also, movies are often chosen to 'Open' on a date that doesn't conflict with other movies, and is chosed to maximise revenue. It's a real stretch to call this software's process 'scientific'.

  7. Constants for Various Artists by Funakoshi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...strength of the cast..."

    Will it be based on looks or on acting ability? There would be some serious issues if they used acting abilities. There are some horid actors/actresses that sell boatloads because they look great, and then there are some...well...less visually pleasing folks, that are fantastic actors/actresses.

  8. overtraining. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another example of some machine learning bozo overtraining on a dataset to come up with a perfect predictro of historical data with little value for generalization. No doubt they have some dull understanding of cross validation which they mistakenly believe assures they have not over trained. Heh. In the end just as good as your linear numTit predictor.

    And then when they are done they find that any future predictve power it has only is focused into a couple of clusters that any fool could have told you were sure bets. It has not value unless your goal is to recycle the same things over and over till there's just one tru formula that all money making movies must follow.

    I suspect movie making is probably a lot like the stockmarket. While there's general themes that always have positive returns, the can't be a formula for big success because if there were then once it was known it would not work anymore. Originality and a cyclic nature of traditional themes is the flow but not predictable.

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    1. Re:overtraining. by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has not value unless your goal is to recycle the same things over and over till there's just one tru formula that all money making movies must follow.

      You think this isn't their goal?

  9. garbage in, garbage out by spirit_fingers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what happens when the bean counters try to quantify the creative process. You can add up all the ingredients for a hit movie and still have a major bomb on your hands.

    It's like saying you can dump fois gras, Chateau Latour, beluga caviar and a savoy truffle into a blender and end up with the world's most wonderful milkshake. In the end it's a recipe for mediocrity, at best. More often, all you get is expensive puke.

    If one could predict success by adding up the elements that go into movie making, then "Catwoman" should have been the megahit of 2004.

  10. Pure garbage by Aaron32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    rating by censors (e.g. G, PG, R) strength of the cast genre competition from other films at the time of release special effects whether it is a sequel and the number of theaters in which it will show." It's ridiculous to expect software to predict entertainment. From the above, success can only be even remotely predicted by "the number of theaters in which it will show". And possibly the "strength of the cast". Mainly I think the trailers shoved down our throat with only the best parts of the movie could help success. I highly doubt this software would have predicted the success of The Blair Witch Project. Zero special effects, zero strength of the cast, zero budget.

  11. Get Rich Fast Scheme by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. make a db of meta info for already released movies

    2. make a software that conforms to the already existing stats and "guesses" the income. If it doesn't guess it, tweak until it "guesses" it.

    3. pitch it to Holywood execs by demonstrating it "works" by entering the same movie info you have already tweaked it for

    4. profit

    Of course the fact that it has (well, relatively poor IMO - 37% success? 75% "sort of success"?) success with the db of 800 movies is a result of it been tuned to work for those stats, and there's totally no guarantee it'll work for future releases.

    Especially that it can't and won't factor in the most important factor: does the movie suck after all or not.