Slashdot Mirror


Self-Assembling DNA Pyramids

FleaPlus writes "Physicists in England and the Netherlands have unveiled a technique for constructing rigid DNA pyramids. With the technique, trillions of d4's can rapidly self-assemble from a solution of single-stranded DNA. The scientists also showed that single DNA strands called linkers could be used to attach the tetrahedra to each other, acting as a possible building block for 3D nanofabrication."

108 comments

  1. In lay-man's terms this means... by MLopat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the article summary doesn't even begin to explain why this is significant, I'll attempt to.

    First of all, the DNA pyramids are useful because they have some attractive properties, namely they are about 10 nanometers wide and are rigid. They are also tetrahedral in shapre (3 faces and a base) which makes them good building blocks. This all lends itself rather nicely to developing things like three dimensional electronic circuits.

    Today's announcement is simply to say that scientists have fonud a way to do this all in a single step by mixing trillions of the base strands in a mixture to produce the mini-pyramids. However, what is really needed moving forward, is a way to bind all of these pyramids into more complex structures. For more information, check out the article on PhysicsWeb

    1. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, Slashdot's audience must just be *way* too young not to get an Alan Parsons Project reference...

    2. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 0

      Oh, it's an Alan Parsons Project reference, is it?

      Then (Score: -2, Offtopic)

      Why would you think that deserves positive Karma?

      --
      taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
    3. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      First of all, the DNA pyramids are useful because they have some attractive properties, namely they are about 10 nanometers wide and are rigid. They are also tetrahedral in shapre (3 faces and a base) which makes them good building blocks

      To be precise, a tetrahedron has 4 identical faces. It doesn't make sense to distinguish one as the "base". This is in contrast to an actual "pyramid" shape, like the ones in Egypt, which have a square base, and 4 triangular sides.

      This all lends itself rather nicely to developing things like three dimensional electronic circuits.

      Aren't all electronic circuits three dimensional, since we live in a 3d universe? If not, does going in 3 dimensions let us do anything more? My guess is that a 2d turing complete computer is the same as a 3d turing complete computer, so what's your point?

      --
      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    4. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by entropy117 · · Score: 1

      This is an important step in science. We may be looking at organic replacements for electrical circuits sometime in the future. Here is an idea, if it is wrong to genetically modify a human (I know this is looking far into the future but bear with me), then is it wrong to modify something else to better serve our needs? Sounds like something out of star Trek...

    5. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

      Aren't all electronic circuits three dimensional, since we live in a 3d universe?

      Brilliant. You've clearly out-thunk the parent. Bravo.

      My guess is that a 2d turing complete computer is the same as a 3d turing complete computer, so what's your point?

      Which is why I'm still typing this on my good 'ol 386, what with all turing complete computers being equivalent and all. I don't get why people keep wasting their money on so-called "upgrades".

    6. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by DonGar · · Score: 4, Informative


      This all lends itself rather nicely to developing things like three dimensional electronic circuits.

      Aren't all electronic circuits three dimensional, since we live in a 3d universe? If not, does going in 3 dimensions let us do anything more? My guess is that a 2d turing complete computer is the same as a 3d turing complete computer, so what's your point?


      Most circuits in chips today are 2D designs. Just like the circuits you see traced out on a circuit board, but much smaller. The circuits are '3d' in the sense that the leads have some hight, but no logic is expressed in the z dimension, so that third dimension is uninteresting.

      There are a few exceptions right now were people are building chips that have multiple levels of 2D circuits with a few vertical interconnects, but the third d isn't really being heavily used.

      Having full 3d circuits allows much more complex logic to be expressed in less space with less propogation time. Thus smaller, faster, and less power consumption in the chips for your computer.

      Of course, you are correct in your statement that this doesn't affect the turing completeness of your computer. Thus there is no effect on the types of programs the computer can execute, only how quickly they compute them, how much power is consumed, and how big the machine is that does the computing.

      --
      plus-good, double-plus-good
    7. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by wass · · Score: 2, Informative
      Aren't all electronic circuits three dimensional, since we live in a 3d universe?

      Yes and no. One of my research projects involves superconducting nanowires, which are essentially one-dimensional. But wait, you say, these so-called nanowires are really wires with cross-sections of a few nanometers, therefore they're really three-dimensional.

      Not really. If you look at the quantum mechanics of the superconductor, or even using the Ginzburg-Landau theory which is phemonological and ignores microscopic quantum mechanics, you find that the electronic quantum wave function doesn't want to vary too quickly. Namely - it costs too much free energy if the wave function changes substantially over a length smaller than a length scale called the Coherence Length. So if we craft a wire with cross-sectional lengths shorter than the coherence length, the wave-function won't vary throughout the cross-section. So there really is only one effective dimension when talking about transport throughout the wire. And that opens all sorts of interesting questions.

      So yeah, at a fundamental level, small-enough objects can look purely one or two dimensional if you look at the quantum mechanics. For traditional electronic transport (ie, non-superconducting) you can typically regard things as not having a full dimension if the wavefunctions are 'bound' or 'free'. Namely, do they look like a particle-in-a-box (or harmonic oscillator or other bound potential) with discretely-allowed energy levels, or do they have an effective quasi-continuous band of allowable energy levels? Note that such a reduced dimension can still contribute as a degree of freedom, as represented by a quantum-number n referring to the discrete energy level. But if there aren't quasi-continuous states, it's not really a free dimension in the traditional sense.

      Now back to your original question, one very common reduced-dimensional system is a 2DEG (Two-Dimensional Electron Gas), which is utilized in silicon MOSFET devices. So your computer is exploiting such 2-dimensional devices right now under your nose. (Here is a rough description ).

      --

      make world, not war

    8. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      "by mixing trillions of the base strands in a mixture to produce the mini-pyramids."

      It's a fraud ! You can clearly see the tiny egyptians in the electron microscope pictures, there's even a sphinx in the corner if you squint just right !

      --

      May contain traces of nut.
      Made from the freshest electrons.
    9. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The third dimension is painful. Doing two is simple, but adding in the third can weaken the materials, so extra space is needed to support the connections between layers

    10. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Tune · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Of course, you are correct in your statement that this doesn't affect the turing completeness of your computer. Thus there is no effect on the types of programs the computer can execute, only how quickly they compute them, how much power is consumed, and how big the machine is that does the computing.


      For modern computers, a more relevant abstraction of computational power would be a random-access machine, since it models not just what kind of problems can be solved, but also (more realistically) in how much time that solution is found.

      At a practical level, current chips are limited by the distance (lenght of wires) between interacting gates. In normal, planar designs, this distance can be reduced by regrouping interacting gates as close to each other as possible (ie.: making designs more clever), reducing the total number of gates or reducing the gate size (thus reducing the total chip size). Adding a second layer could half the needed die surface, allowing for smaller propagation times, thus higher clock frequency/more complexity/surface.

      However, adding more layers has a lot of practical problems in the current production process. Therefore *any* successful alternative to produce 3D semi conductors is likely to boost processing power.
    11. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      no, what this really means is we finally know how those pyramids in egypt were made... they constructed themselves!

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    12. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Re. 3D circuits: all chips today have one layer of transistors, and no more. You only get one shot at making those in chip fabrication. Then you pile on other stuff, such as 5 or 6 layers of "wires" criss-crossing each other, but after the first layer of trannies it's basically curtains. it's because the transiors all live in the wafer material which is crystalline silicon, and all silicon that you put on afterwards is of relatively poor crystal quality and you can't make good quality transistors out of it. Disclaimer: We only make the masks not the chips themselves so I don't know the really detailed stuff about the chip making business. Finding a way to assemble elements in proper "3D" fashion would make a big difference: shorter wires, greater complexity, but a complete change in fabrication processes because at the moment it's all done with photolithography, i.e. with a glorified slide projector shining on light-sensitive plastic coating. Changing that would be bad news for me because no-one would want our glorified slides any more! Ok, let them invent the "self-assembling CPU" after they breed the nano-molecule that creeps over the chip in a boiler suit riveting DNA pyramids together! Long live our nano-overlords.

    13. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by fitten · · Score: 1

      There have been a number of 3D circuit attempts. One of the largest problems to overcome is heat dissipation (particularly from the center of that 3D shape).

    14. Re:In lay-man's terms this means... by Sigg3.net · · Score: 0

      what is really needed moving forward, is a way to bind all of these pyramids into more complex structures.

      You're missing the point.
      They have something called glue. What they're in real need of is tubes of glue in really small sizes. The problem is that nano-sized tubes easily get their top glued in.

      Then there's the nutcases experimenting on nano duct tape. "Keep them cells together" et al.

  2. In related news by jatemack · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    Scion worked quickly to trademark a new catch phrase - "You can get a lot of mileage out of building things with tetrahedra" hoping to appeal to nano-nerds everywhere.
    In other news:
    Slashdot users everywhere used the "Free day pass" overwhelming the servers, leaving the site stagnant. Users who thought they could increase there Karma by posting semi-witty comments to stories early, found themselves unable to post for the last 20 minutes and mocked by the message "This story is currently under construction".

    --
    // no
  3. trillions of d4s? by vermox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man those D&D games are getting complicated!

    Oh... nevermind

    --
    --- /dev/null
    1. Re:trillions of d4s? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I was thinking something similar, except I was going more along the lines of what level the MU would have to be to cast a trillion d4 (plus 1 per die) magic missile (1st edition).

    2. Re:trillions of d4s? by mypalmike · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently, God DOES roll dice.

      --
      There are 0x40000000 types of people: those who understand 32-bit IEEE 754 floating point, and those who don't.
    3. Re:trillions of d4s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man those D&D games are getting complicated!

      Nah, it's just more of the same. :)

    4. Re:trillions of d4s? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And made of DNA? Damn. And I thought pewter or bone dice were fancy (and yes, I know bone has DNA in it, but it still isn't the same).

      --
      In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
    5. Re:trillions of d4s? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      "In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you." LOL...I wanted to ROFLMAO until it struck me -How True!

      --
      Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
    6. Re:trillions of d4s? by g-san · · Score: 1

      "19, is that a hit?"

      "Yep, roll for 1-4 trillion damage."

    7. Re:trillions of d4s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course! How else would Jesus save?

    8. Re:trillions of d4s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I hear he occasionally gives you a free reroll if you've ben a good player.

    9. Re:trillions of d4s? by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      d4? Call me when they can make a d20.

    10. Re:trillions of d4s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded. ~Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

  4. DNA Civilization. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Physicists in England and the Netherlands have unveiled a technique for constructing rigid DNA pyramids."

    Goes perfect with Egyptians created from DNA.

    1. Re:DNA Civilization. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1

      "Egyptians created from DNA"

      So... Normal Egyptians? :P

      --
      Send email from the afterlife! Write your e-will at Dead Man's Switch.
    2. Re:DNA Civilization. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Thanks for getting the joke..

      --
      See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
    3. Re:DNA Civilization. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be silly, everyone knows Normal Egyptians are a myth since they predate the creation of the earth by 2000 years!

  5. And Moses said to Pharaoh: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let my nucleotides go!

  6. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a dupe, the egyptians did this millenia ago. And don't come and tell me they carried those blocks themselves.

    1. Re:Dupe by RussG146 · · Score: 2, Funny
      This is a dupe, the egyptians did this millenia ago

      Drat. If I had known that, I wouldn't have spent the last two years making and characterising the bloody things.

    2. Re:Dupe by jzeejunk · · Score: 3, Funny

      the egyptians did this millenia ago
      But that was never reported on slashdot.

      --
      sarchasm
    3. Re:Dupe by c_forq · · Score: 1

      No, this is Slashdot, slashdot wouldn't report about the pryamids, but when geeks make them it is instant front page (see also: Great Wall of China and Great Firewall of China).

      --
      Computers allow humans to make mistakes at the fastest speeds known, with the possible exception of tequila and handguns
    4. Re:Dupe by peculiarmethod · · Score: 1

      don't worry, it will be next week.

      twice.

      --
      ** "It's not my job to stand between the people talking to me, and the ones listening to me." -- Pego the Jerk
  7. First DNA Dodecahedron post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    From TFA:

    The scientists also showed that single DNA strands called linkers could bind two adjacent tetrahedra. The next challenge, says Goodman, is to coax multiple tetrahedra into more-complex structures.

    1. Assemble DNA strands into full scale models of a nude Natalie Portman.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    In Soviet Russia, this post makes perfect sense. No, it really does!

    Christ, I gotta get some sleep.

  8. So the builders of the pyramids are... by slashname3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So the real builders oof the pyramids are nonfrabricators. The Egyptians grew them instead of using slave labor to drag blocks into place or getting help from UFOs.

    Nanu Nanu (obligatory Mork and Mindy reference).

    1. Re:So the builders of the pyramids are... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know that the pyramid/egyptian link is just too easy to resist, but they were square base pyramids, these, being made up of tetrahedrons, will be triangular based.

  9. Re:Sounds cool by d.valued · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I thought stat-inflation was bad before...

    "Loknar, roll ten to the eighteenth D4s. And this time, try to keep them all on the table."

    --
    I used to be someone else. Now I'm someone better.
    Real life is underrated.
  10. Keeps my razor blades sharp? by martinX · · Score: 2, Funny

    So if I store my razor blades under this, will they remain eternally sharp?

    --
    When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
    1. Re:Keeps my razor blades sharp? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      As long as your razor blades fit under a 10 nanometer pyramid, then yes, they will be sharp. In fact, they will have a perfect edge on them, plus or minus about 10 nanometers...

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  11. neato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they made a crystal. how novel.

  12. Cool by GmAz · · Score: 0, Troll

    So by stacking a bunch of these iddy biddy pyramids together, we get one big one. Whoa...Nobel is knocking.

    --
    Click Click Bloody Click PANCAKES!
  13. I knew It by lexxyz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew my DNA had to be a pyramid.

    It is more in line with my shape, gets wider the farther you go down!

    1. Re:I knew It by gid13 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must have some very large feet.

  14. Re:Sounds cool by LemonHerbWRX · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You forgot

    In soviet Russia tetrahedra assemble you

  15. Terrorist Cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In related news, Bush declared the DNA Pyramids a terrorist cell for their resemblance to Egyptian pyramids.

  16. Is it edible? by rubberbando · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If so, then you can call it a food pyramid! :P

    --
    DEAD DEAD DEAD DELETE ME
    1. Re:Is it edible? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "If so, then you can call it a food pyramid! :P"

      It's nice to see that graduates of the Bob Saget School of Comedy are still finding time to expand on their art form.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:Is it edible? by feepness · · Score: 1


      It's nice to see that graduates of the Bob Saget School of Comedy are still finding time to expand on their art form.


      Man, that should be a new rating: -1 Saget

    3. Re:Is it edible? by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Bob Saget...

      I think my favorite Bob Saget line was this:

      "Marijuana is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction, man. Have you ever sucked some dick for marijuana?"

      --
      William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
  17. pyramids by revery · · Score: 4, Funny

    trillions of d4's can rapidly self-assemble from a solution of single-stranded DNA

    In other news, several cheerleaders who were interviewed stated that they were skeptical as pyramids in general are "way hard." They also stated that they doubted the numbers claimed as the largest pyramid they had heard of was composed of 280 or so cheerleaders and that a trillion is "like at least double that."

    1. Re:pyramids by wildsurf · · Score: 1

      They also stated that they doubted the numbers claimed as the largest pyramid they had heard of was composed of 280 or so cheerleaders and that a trillion is "like at least double that."

      Are these the same cheerleaders who were reading the newspaper headline"TWO BRAZILIAN SOLDIERS KILLED"... and one of them leans over to the other and says, "How many is a brazilian?"

      --
      Weeks of coding saves hours of planning.
    2. Re:pyramids by chris+macura · · Score: 1

      No, that was the monkey-in-chief.

  18. day passes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the powers that be let us talk about these new "day passes"?

  19. Re:Sounds cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Tetrahedral overlords" reminds me of a P. Schuyler Miller story...

  20. Re:Sounds cool by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    When can I purchase a house made of them?

    Just as soon as you send $1.00 each to the following people, then place your name on the top of the list and delete the last name from the bottom of the list! It's that simple and totally legal!*

    • Fester Bestertester
    • 1050 Karbunkle Ave #7B
    • Finster, NJ

    • Happy Guy
    • 742 Evergreen Terrace
    • Springfield

    • The Pope
    • 1 Pope St.
    • Vatican

    • Sir Alex Ferguson
    • Theater of Dreams
    • Manchester, UK

    • Cowboy Neal
    • 3rd Cardboard Box on the Left
    • Alley behind Rocky Peanut Company,
    • Holland, MI

    * In Antarctica

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  21. old non news by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ned seeman at nyu has been doing this for years

    it has little if any practical value; dna is VERY $$, and a delicate molecule that is destroyed by normal shipping temperatures (at least in tuscon)

    the idea that dna will be any sort of industrial material for anything is fantasy

    1. Re:old non news by Maudsley · · Score: 1

      So, since you live in Tuscon, all your dna should be gone by now.

      --
      -- Samuel
    2. Re:old non news by RussG146 · · Score: 5, Informative
      ned seeman at nyu has been doing this for years

      That's certainly true - Ned Seeman is definitely the 'founding father' of the field, and has lab continues to be a driving force in this sort of research. However, while I'm not exactly an objective observer, I believe this paper offers a number of practical advances in the field, such as yield, ease of synthesis, rigidity, and adaptability.

      it has little if any practical value; dna is VERY $$, and a delicate molecule that is destroyed by normal shipping temperatures (at least in tuscon)

      This simply isn't true. DNA is shipped all over the place at room T (we ordered the DNA for this experiment from America), and in lyophilised form is very stable. It's less stable in solution, but you can make modifications to increase its stability. DNA tetrahedra in my experience are very stable. As for cost, you can buy the DNA for this kind of synthesis relatively cheaply, and DNA gets cheaper every year.

    3. Re:old non news by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well that is all a question of environment. We get lyophilized primers (~15-25bp) sent to us at room temperature all the time. In fact, we incubate long strands of DNA at temperatures of 95C all the time. We even do the same with long strands of RNA (the 10,000 bp RNA genome of Hepatitic C Virus). Brian Sykes at Oxford even made a big splash by exctracting 9,000+ year old mitochondrial DNA from the "Cheddar Man," not to mention other famous historical figures.

      Making a blanket statement like "DNA is a delicate molecule" or "this will never be useful" is not necessarily correct. It is more correct to say "DNA can be delicate in the wrong conditions" and "this does not have applications, yet." Now, will we overcome the cost of synthesizing DNA? Perhaps. The cost of DNA synthesizing oligonucletides (15-20bp) has dropped dramatically in the last few years. Now will this be useful in making nano-toaster ovens or other more "industrial" tech? Probably not, but neither article really proposes anything like that. Also DNA is a lot less expensive than certain chemicals that are used in trace amounts in all sorts of tech and industrial applications. The field really seems to be wide open.

      Ned Seeman's work is slightly different but along the exact same lines. Also, of course he has been doing it for years! A lot of people have been working on this for years. The scientific community is all for competition. Simply because Dr. Seeman has been working on this doesn't somehow invalidate this study. People have also been working on broadband over powerlines for several years. Is that now "old non news?"

    4. Re:old non news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good work sir, you used both 'seeman' and 'driving force' in the same sentence within a legitimate post. ...well now i've got the lame joke out of the way i can get on with my day... ta ta.

    5. Re:old non news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thinking of all the heat of friction generated by millions of men every time they produce a gram or two of DNA at temperatures around 98 degrees F... even allowing for the loss of friction due to excessive lubrication, it's got to be approaching 100 degrees... perhaps temperatures in Tucson are higher than that, but with millions of horny men nearby, you have a cheap & plentiful local supply... go squeeze your own if it can't be shipped, naysayer!!

    6. Re:old non news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget 'Founding Father'...

    7. Re:old non news by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      the idea that dna will be any sort of industrial material for anything is fantasy

      Don't know about tuscon but over here we've been making all kinds of durable critters and even people with it for years.

      We don't even need a lab. :)

      --

      May contain traces of nut.
      Made from the freshest electrons.
    8. Re:old non news by wikdwarlock · · Score: 1

      Strangely, I ship my DNA around through all sorts of temperatures. I grew up in Ohio and have been in subzero winters, and now live in Texas where summers reach over 100 degrees F. Somehow, I've managed not to degrade into a pile of bubbling goo.

      Remember folks, nanotechnology WILL work. The proof is in the question. Are you able to think about nanotechnology? If so, then the trillions of nanomechanical, nanoelectrical, and nanochemical actions going on in your body are working well (more or less), and q.e.d. nanotech is feasible.

      --

      "I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer." -Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
    9. Re:old non news by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't have analytical tools like DGGE (lerman and fisher) SSCP, MALDI or electrospray, you don't really know much about the chemical nature of your DNA

      for instance, it is well known, except to "scientists" who post on /. that a large fraction of the oligo you get from your fav vendor (IDT/genosys/etc etc) has some form of covalent modificatin, such as non removed deprotecting groups,etc

      You are simply not aware of this, as various filters (Taq, transformation) remove the junk

      Similarly, when you run a gel, and see a band for you pcr or whatever, you think you have a clean frag. but you don't proprly account for the smear - it is hard to quantitate, but amounts to a lot of material.

      I could go on, but i'll save this stuff for my students quals

      You are changing the goalposts when you say nanotech will work; the question is more , is dna anyting other then an exotic material used only by nasa and dod

  22. Z Chromosome by JuzzFunky · · Score: 3, Funny

    This explains my mysterious Z chromosome...

    --
    Unexpect the expected!
  23. Mixing Nano and Bio... by oldzoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems kind of scary to use Bio building blocks to do nano-tech construction. Will the industrial use of DNA nano-blocks have biosafety scrutiny? I hope that some wonderfully usefull industrial nano-object does not end up with a potent lethality, particularly if it somehow can replicate in the wild.

    --
    enough is too much
  24. Mage hit dice by isomeme · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should I be more embarrassed that I get my news from a source that calls tetrahedra "d4s", or that I immediately knew what that meant?

    --
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.
    1. Re:Mage hit dice by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Should I be more embarrassed that...

      Probably you should be most embarrassed at considering how large a magic missile you could roll. I know I did.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  25. This and Velcro by Capitalist1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's nice to see they're finally making use of that captured Goa'uld technology.

    --
    One man's religion is another man's belly-laugh. - LL
    1. Re:This and Velcro by Liam+Slider · · Score: 1

      They are really landing pads for really tiny Goa'uld ships.

  26. Egypt by ls+-la · · Score: 1

    So it wasn't the aliens...

  27. Old news. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bah, watch people mention a million things they can build from this thing. Big deal, I can build a whole person from DNA.

    --
    Send email from the afterlife! Write your e-will at Dead Man's Switch.
    1. Re:Old news. by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 2, Funny

      YOU probably can't build a whole person from your DNA. Highly advanced scientists in the field of cloning may be able to. YOU probably need a girlfriend first.

    2. Re:Old news. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Highly advanced scientists in the field of cloning do it asexually.

      --
      Send email from the afterlife! Write your e-will at Dead Man's Switch.
    3. Re:Old news. by leadboot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now THERE'S a bumper sticker.

    4. Re:Old news. by ahem · · Score: 1

      How do you know that person doesn't need a boyfriend to help her build a whole person from DNA?

      --
      Not A Sig
  28. No problem here .. by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can assure you bio nano-building blocks are not the least scary. I am working with them every day.

    Ok, so it is a big strange that my left leg has turned a solid grey-bluish color, but it works just as well as the initial one and I've gotten used to it solving math questions faster than me.

    --
    I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
  29. Next up... by Urusai · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...entire self-assembling DNA-based organisms. Scientists are working hard on the technology, but research is hampered by a mysterious and poorly understood preliminary stage called "sex".

  30. Obligatory Lego reference by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you ever thought you might like to get paid for playing with Lego's this looks like the closest you are going to get.

    How about this idea: You tag blocks with flourescent dyes and assemble them according to a computer voxel model one color at a time (using whatever method pleased you the most ;) Then when you turn on the light, and view under a microscope, you'd see your model rendered in color.

    BTM

    --
    That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
  31. matter of perspective by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    What is $$
    In plastics, a buck a pound is typical for commodity PS; super $$ peek is 13 dollars a pound. I don't know what the cost of oligos is, but a hundred bucks a gram is the cheapest i have ever heard.

    DNA is NOT stable lyophilized; you only think that cause you don't have good analytical tools like dggge or sscp or maldi, and your enzymes filter out the bad stuff
    Sure, dna may possibly be usefull for some esoteric or trace apps, but as an industrial base material - nah (and don't quote pcr barcode oligos as tracers )

  32. Slashdotters have been at this for years... by imnojezus · · Score: 1

    ... using socks or tissues as foundations, of course.

  33. Triangles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is awesome, I accidentally produced something that I suspect is very similar to this no more than 8 months ago using DNA to self-assemble gold nanoparticles. The pictures are gorgeous (but inconclusive, unfortunately). http://web.mit.edu/neltnerb/www/bn-triangles-1.jpg http://web.mit.edu/neltnerb/www/bn-triangles-2.jpg Sorry, I have no particular desire to register an account here for my very rare posts. And Kuna, don't laugh. I promise, I'm not a total dork. But DNA self assembly is still cool.

    1. Re:Triangles by galen · · Score: 1

      You better slap up some links to smaller sized images. That server is already getting bogged down.

    2. Re:Triangles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's OK, I haven't logged into my account in ages myself.

      JK

  34. Nanofabrication with organic compounds? by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would be the life expectancy of such constructions? IIRC, DNA are pretty "fragile" molecules.

    1. Re:Nanofabrication with organic compounds? by g-san · · Score: 1

      If you look close at the picture in the article, and follow the colors around the edges, notice that each face is intertwined with neighboring faces. I would imagine that gives it some strength, but you have to wonder about those corner bonds.

      I would be curious to know how "strong" this is compared to 10 cubic nanometers of iron or salt crystal or titanium or aluminum etc. Though I suppose for its strength it could have ease of manufacture over say, 10 nanometer titanium d6s.

  35. Is it the cell environment? by BerntB · · Score: 1
    Are you saying that it is environment in the normal cell that necessitates all the repair mechanisms?

    (The halflife for a normal RNA molecule in the cell kernel is quite short, right?)

    If you have a use with controlled temperature (and no hungry bacteria around!) in a given solution, DNA is stable enough to make applications?

    (With or without DNA modifications?)

    Would it be easy to vary the sequence on the DNA so you could have enzymes cutting up the pyramids in specific places?

    --
    Karma: Excellent (My Karma? I wish...:-( )
  36. Thank you for your submission by Laaserboy · · Score: 1
    Thank you for your submission of a new [x] nanostructure [ ] transistor [ ] laser
    1. Re:Thank you for your submission by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Um... your welcome?

  37. Thank you for your submission by Laaserboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    THANK YOU for your submission of a new
    [x] nanostructure
    [ ] laser
    [ ] transistor
    using
    [ ] straw and bailing wire
    [x] DNA strands
    [ ] silicon
    This is a bad idea, because
    [x] a 3-D structure is difficult to heat-sink
    [x] scientists likely never will produce a transistor this way
    [ ] this is a case of outright fraud
    The problem however is not to make circuits
    [ ] out of lasers
    [x] 3-D
    [x] self ordered
    But the problem is to make them
    [x] reliably
    [x] at low cost
    [x] faster
    Further this article was published in
    [ ] Science
    [ ] New Scientist
    [ ] Nature
    [x] Science News
    which is primarily a publicity-seeking mag, and not a great peer-reviewed journal for physics.
    I can say this because I have a
    [ ] BS
    [ ] MS
    [x] PhD
    in
    [x] Physics
    [ ] Electrical Engineering

  38. Re:Sounds cool by robfoo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Surely you meant
    In Soviet Russia DNA assemble you

  39. pyramidal prion... by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    And in fifty years we can read:

    "Yet another entire biota was wiped out by the pyramidal prions. Earlier this week we could see how Puerto Rican biota was wiped out by the ever growing pyramidal prions. The island state was literally covered with small, inch high grey pyramids. The US Government now fears the pandemic will spread onto mainland US and has banned all border crossing, in or out, and the import of any organic matter. It is believed that once the pyramidal prions enters living tissue it starts replicating itself and in a matter of days have consumed its helpless victim."

    1. Re:pyramidal prion... by BurntNickel · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm nitpicking a funny comment, but prions are made of amino acids (think protein) and not nucleic acid as is the case here with DNA.

      --
      And the knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them...
  40. Re:Sig by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.

    In America, you live to fight another day. In undeveloped countries, you fight to live another day.