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GPS Could Speed Tsunami Warning

wwood_98 writes to tell us that Wired is running a story about how GPS could serve more than its traditional role. From the article: "International organizations like the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, or PTWC, in Hawaii currently depend on coastal seismic stations to record deep-sea earthquakes that could cause giant waves. But according to Jeff Freymueller, a geophysicist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, data from GPS receivers could provide quicker, more accurate estimates of the magnitude of a tsunami-causing quake, buying time for evacuation. Freymueller presented his findings at this week's American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco."

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  1. GPS buys you a head start! by mister_llah · · Score: 3, Funny

    Excellent, if you live in a coastal city, you'll get to know that you have 20 minutes left to live...

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    1. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may sneeze but 20 minutes is just enough for me to do what I want to do.

      Thank you god for giving me this divine period of time.

    2. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Informative

      Excellent, if you live in a coastal city, you'll get to know that you have 20 minutes left to live...

      According to the SAS Survival manual by John Weisman - if a Tsunami is inbound your best defense is to be over 1km inland or 100ft above sea level.

      In many (not all) places you would have time to do either of these. You also have the option of quickly heading out to sea as the Tsunami only has effects at shallow depths (right by the coastline). So, an additional 20 min could indeed save a huge number of lives.

      I would also add, that you might not be safe even 1km inland if you were withing a natural "funnel" like a trianglar river delta with highlands on each side...

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    3. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Excellent, if you live in a coastal city, you'll get to know that you have 20 minutes left to live...

      You misspelled the last word. You have 20 minutes left to drive. Inland. As quickly as your car can. You should be okay about 20-30 miles from the coastline.

    4. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Furmy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can try and drive out in your car.

      You'll be going nowhere, because everyone else will be trying to go, too.
      My motorcycle will make much better time.

      You'll be fine!

    5. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by martinX · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, you have 20 minutes to:

      • get dressed (pants at least),
      • find the keys,
      • grab your wallet,
      • look for your cell phone,
      • turn off the TV,
      • grab the backups you always make,
      • where is that cell phone?,
      • select a playlist for your iPod,
      • grab some cold brewskies
      • where is that damned cellphone???,
      • don't forget the digital camera

      THEN you can drive. If you're not busy blogging the event, telling the other blogophiles you'll be AFK for a while.

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    6. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      i bicycle should get you to safety, or hell even your feet if you can walk/RUN FOR YOUR LIFE at 6 miles per hour sustained for 2 miles you will be ok or at least less likely to die than in the area directly hit by the wave

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    7. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will give me enough time to set up a bunch of fake autions on E-bay.

      I can just picture how funny it will be when people are waiting for their items to arrive.

    8. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by rolandog · · Score: 1

      More than enough time for them to lie down or put paper bags over their heads.

    9. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper bags won't save you.

      You need to duck tape your doors and and windows to keep the water out.

      You did put duck tape in your emergency kit, right?

    10. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by lpangelrob · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Those are fairly good rules of thumb, but if I know a tsunami is inbound, I would take "best defense", and accept "modest defense" as better than "no defense". :-)

      In last year's tsunami, often people that sought shelter on the third floor survived. Those that stayed in one-floor shelters were washed away.

      The densest population areas (coastal India) that happen to be the most vulnerable are the ones least able to use this information. In general, there aren't any buildings to seek shelter in, and the land is so flat surrounding the coast that there isn't anywhere to run.

    11. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    12. Re:GPS buys you a head start! by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      According to the SAS Survival manual by John Weisman - if a Tsunami is inbound your best defense is to be over 1km inland or 100ft above sea level.

      Based on the Indian Ocean Tsunami stats you wouldn't have survived if you listened to that guy. Last year's Christmas Tsunami was 115 ft high in certain areas and went 4 miles inland.

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  2. Accelerometers by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    I don't see what GPS receivers can do here that accelerometers can't.

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    1. Re:Accelerometers by MikeWasHere05 · · Score: 1

      err... what are you talking about? GPS reports back your location, in latitude/longitude/altitude. Accelerometers read back your rate of acceleration. Sure you could find location with an accelerometer, but it would be relative... not absolute like GPS.

    2. Re:Accelerometers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yeah, you clearly get the concepts, but haven't thought through just *how* a tsumani is detected. Keep thinking. Absolute location is *not* required to detect earthquake generating tsunamis. It might have more to do with sensor availability.

    3. Re:Accelerometers by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Absolute location is not necessary in order to determine the amplitude of an earthquake wave (you already know the latitude and longitude of the station, of course).

      Highpass filter at perhaps .001Hz to eliminate drift, integrate twice, and you've got the amplitude of any earth motion.

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    4. Re:Accelerometers by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 0

      I can envision an underseas quake that does
      *not* cause a ripple on the oceans surface.

      So, there are situations that may fail to
      give an accurate early warning.

      At the same time, this does sound like a worthy project.

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    5. Re:Accelerometers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Without ripple on the oceans surface you don't have a Tsunami. Just a Submarine earthquake.

  3. GPS Accuracy? by grumwsmith · · Score: 0

    Knowing the accuracy of GPS at the best of times of the time it takes for a usable signal to be picked up, it seems that they don't seem rugged enough to actually be of use to geophysicists for a reasonable amount of time.

    However, anything that can be done is always a good thing, of which I'm sure everyone will agree with.

    1. Re:GPS Accuracy? by mi · · Score: 1
      Knowing the accuracy of GPS at the best of times of the time it takes for a usable signal to be picked up, it seems that they don't seem rugged enough to actually be of use to geophysicists for a reasonable amount of time.

      That may be the disadvantage of the cripled civilian models. But real GPS is good enough for targeting a (very fast moving) cruise missile, so it can't be that bad.

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    2. Re:GPS Accuracy? by TheSixth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From "Wiki: "The accuracy of the GPS signal itself is about 5 meters (16 ft) as of 2005 and has steadily improved over the last 15 years. Using differential GPS and other error-correcting techniques, the accuracy can be improved to about 1 cm (.4 in) over short distances.". Given a fixed GPS sensor, the relative accuracy in ground measurements would be more than adequate for seismic warnings.

      I don't think the core idea is to be able say "In 23 minutes and 12 seconds a tsunami of height 13.6 meters will hit blah blah blah...". I believe they are building a warning system - "Within the hour conditions will be extremely favorable for tsunami conditions to occur, and residents should take precautions...".

    3. Re:GPS Accuracy? by kfstark · · Score: 4, Informative
      A single frequency GPS receiver that you use in a car would be worthless for this application.


      Check out the Southern California Integrated GPS Network for an example of highly accurate (sub millimeter) uses of GPS over a large area. The receivers being used in this network are 10 years old and still returning excellent data which we can use to compute annual tectonic plate motion. In 1999, after the Hector mine earthquake, we were able to determine 17cm of slip at a sight 40km away from the epicenter. This was done in a few hours.


      Also, take a look at the Plate Boundary Observatory which is being built now.



      --Keith

    4. Re:GPS Accuracy? by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 1

      That's common civilian stuff. I'm sure that for something this important they could get their hands on some more powerful and accurate GPS, perhaps even military grade. Keep in mind they track fighter jets, supersonic missiles, and the like with this stuff. They're not going to the local hardware store to pick this up.

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    5. Re:GPS Accuracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are the designs, the circuit layouts, the bill of materials? Tech like this is nice, but not if the descriptions are so gross that you only know the general concept of what they did, not the details.

    6. Re:GPS Accuracy? by kfstark · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is all commercial hardware. Look up the Ashtech Z-XII3, the Ashtech MicroZ and Trimble NetRS.


      The postprocessing software is GAMIT (GPS at MIT)


      --Keith

    7. Re:GPS Accuracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The civilian stuff is actually more accurate than the military stuff -- centimetres, millimetres even. It has to be for doing science. The devices are based on measuring the phases of the carrier waves, which are 19 - 24 cm long. 1% precision thus gives you +/- 2 mm. And they work in differential mode, where you use a reference station on a known location.

      The military don't need that kind of accuracy -- usually a few m will do -- but they need it NOW. Real time. And without depending on base stations or orbit tracking networks.

    8. Re:GPS Accuracy? by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 1

      Ok, when bombs can be landed within inches of a target, how does that work with a few meters of accuracy? Military stuff is extremely accurate, and will always be ahead of civilian stock partially because they have more money to buy and develop, and partially because they can regulate what technology gets to the public.

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  4. Cool stuff by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 3, Informative
    I was assuming this would only work if the quake happened under dry land. From The Fine Article;
    "GPS receivers measure the static displacement of the earth, and after the first few minutes of a quake, that doesn't change much."

    But looks like there may be a way to detect a tsunami caused by an under sea event;

    "Quakes that cause tsunamis create deformation on the surface of the water, and that causes an atmospheric 'thump,'" MacDoran said. "A compression wave travels into the upper atmosphere, and that disturbance causes subtle changes in the way GPS signals travel." Digital processing of the changed signals coming from nearby receivers would indicate that a tsunami was imminent.

    Sounds promising but is it possible to tell the difference between air movement caused by a tsunami and just a sudden gust of wind? How dense would the sensor array need to be to prevent false positives?

    1. Re:Cool stuff by NormalVisual · · Score: 0

      It sounds to me like they're saying that this "thump" would subtly affect radio propagation in the ionosphere, which isn't subject to weather.

      /didn't read the article, as it's not good Slashdot form to do so.

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    2. Re:Cool stuff by c_forq · · Score: 1

      /didn't read the article, as it's not good Slashdot form to do so.

      It's okay to read the article after you post. Just be sure not to read it before you post, especially if you know nothing of the subject.

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  5. Grade of GPS being used? by Funakoshi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone have any further information regarding what grade of GPS is being used? Based on the price point, I would have to guess that it is Mapping grade GPS equipment, but the problem would be that in order for Mapping grade GPS to update, the person (or mount) holding it, must be moving to get the corrections from the satellite. Survey grade may work, but it wouldn't be under $10k per receiver.

    Any help?

    1. Re:Grade of GPS being used? by kfstark · · Score: 3, Informative
      This is survey grade GPS units which go for about $6k (quite a bit less in quantity). Generally Ashtech MicroZ, Trimble NetRS and others. The Dorne Margolin choke ring antenna we use costs about $3k. It is possible to put together a survey grade site for about $11k. This was done in Southern California years ago at a cost of $20k/site.



      --Keith

    2. Re:Grade of GPS being used? by Funakoshi · · Score: 1

      Damned US/CAD exchange cost :P

      You are looking at about $50k to put together a survey grade site up here in Canada (East Coast), which is why I ask the question.

      Thanks,
      Matt

    3. Re:Grade of GPS being used? by kfstark · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... Give me a call, we can work $omething out ;-)

      --Keith

  6. While this idea may work by siddesu · · Score: 1

    for GPS devices on the ground, I doubt they'll do much good for earthquakes that happen deep on the ocean floor; and those seem to be the ones that generate the most powerful tsunami.

    Still, cheaply covering part of the risk is definitely worth it.

    1. Re:While this idea may work by kfstark · · Score: 1
      Actually, the GPS units on the ground are used to feed into the seismic streams so that a more accurate assessment of the earthquake can be made. If the seismic instruments tell you 8.0, but a GPS receiver 300km away moved by a certain amount, you can be certain that the location or size is wrong. If you have an accurate deformation field 100's of km away, you can assess the results of the seismic instruments quickly. There is a big difference between an 8.0 and a 9.0 EQ.



      Check out SCIGN (Southern California Integrated GPS Network for more information and links.



      --Keith

  7. Last (not this) week's meeting, actually. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Traditionally, the AGU meets in San Francisco in the early part of December, in between the end of classes at the Universities and the start of the Holiday rush.

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    1. Re:Last (not this) week's meeting, actually. by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      Traditionally, the AGU meets in San Francisco in the early part of December, in between the end of classes at the Universities and the start of the Holiday rush.

      So that's anywhere from December to....next December? When *isn't* there a holiday rush? You may want to be a bit more specific next time. Arbor day, veteran's day, memorial day, 4th of july, labor day, thanksgiving, columbus day, president's day, new year's, christmas, martin luther king day, Hanukkah, Boxing Day (Can.), and a bunch of others that I don't know about or can remember right now. I know there is a rush on the swimming pools around Memorial Day and on turkeys for Thanksgiving. What kind of rush did you mean anyway?

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  8. Accelerometers-Measuring money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't see what GPS receivers can do here that accelerometers can't."

    Cost more.

  9. Whoops, it was the week before last. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Sorry, posted too quickly. Some colleagues went to the meeting, and I just remembered they were back from it all last week.

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  10. Disasters spur reaction and debate... by TechnoGuyRob · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But this is just ridiculous. I mean honestly, when was the last tsunami before this recent event? Does anyone honestly think their tiny human little heads will be perking up 2000 years later just as vividly, watching the GPS screens, when the next tsunami comes? Seriously, give it a break. There was nothing we could have done. And perhaps in the future we will be able to do something beforehand. But that's not worth reporting, because I'll bet you my two arms and three balls that we won't have a tsunami in the next 100 years. This is just another tiny scientific advancement which isn't really worthy of taking up our time, because we're not going to ever see it in use, and we're not going to care.

    1. Re:Disasters spur reaction and debate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I guess I'll bite.

      Tsunami warning systems give many affected areas hours, yes hours, of warning. Plenty of time to save most people in most areas.

      Large earthquake in Chile in 1960, wiped out most of Hilo, Hawaii 14.8 hours later. (http://www.geophys.washington.edu/tsunami/general /historic/chilean60.html)
      Only a fool would not see the value in having an effective warning system for that.

      In fact, tsunami warning systems are one of the most effective natural disaster mitigation systems we use. If you're going to complain, try earthquake warning systems that are trying to give you 30 seconds of warning (of course that's enough to shutdown trains and other transit).

      Or maybe you're from Kansas and just don't get it.

    2. Re:Disasters spur reaction and debate... by ZoTo · · Score: 1

      1998 was the last major tsunami. They occur every decade or so. The 1998 tsunami hit New Guinea and wiped out some coastal villages.

    3. Re:Disasters spur reaction and debate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There was nothing we could have done. "

      I don't even know where to start with all the things wrong with what you say, other than that Tsunamis are historically common and likely to get more frequent. But the above statement is just wrong. IMHO the last Tsunami, just like the disaster in New Orleans stands out in human history by one mark alone - that loss of life was entirely preventable.
      These two events will go down in history not as great disasters of scale but as examples of the utter failure of mankind politically, culturally and technologically. The Asian Tsunami occured in such a way that most of the victims could have crawled, not walked, nevermind run, to safety. To appreciate this you need to understand two things.

      1) The speed of a wave on water, no matter how high it is remains constant and is VERY SLOW (in geographic terms)
      2) The desructive energy upon hitting land is absorbed very quickly (again in geographic scale) in a short distance.

      Just a matter of a mile or less inland most people would have survived - ***HAD THEY KNOWN***

      Don't believe me? Do the calculations and look at the timeline yourself.

      Hundreds of thousands died in an disaster where none of them needed to. The event was a failure of communication on a colossal scale. And don't give me the old straw man arguments about how these are primitive people who don't even have radios, or that Hollywood crap about 'not spreading panic'. Those people died becasue somebody decided not to broadcast an alert. It was a political decision. We already have everything we need to monitor and to some extent predict natural disasters, what we lack is the political will to actually save lives. There is no profit in saving lives and I give New Orleans as my proof and rest my case.

    4. Re:Disasters spur reaction and debate... by waddgodd · · Score: 1

      Can you say Krakatau? Worse, Krakatau is building up again, much like St Helens. I'll take your bet.

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    5. Re:Disasters spur reaction and debate... by ShibaInu · · Score: 1

      The deaths of people in India, Thailand and Sri Lanka were probably preventable. However, if you lived in Aceh, you were screwed. They had 15 minutes after a huge earthquake to relocate to higher ground - in other words virtually no time at all.

  11. GPS COULD be used on volcanos? by dsci · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA:

    "With GPS, the displacements are measured second by second," said Bock, who also presented at the American Geophysical Union conference. "Within 70 seconds you have a good idea of the final deformation." In addition to predicting tsunamis, he thinks GPS modules could be used to monitor the activity of volcanoes and landslides in real time. [emphasis mine]

    I thought GPS was already used extensively in volcano studies.

    http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Monitoring/GPS/framework .html

    No specific mention of real time data whacking in that link? A quick Google, and we find this, for example:

    http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/publications/jans sen_etal2002c.pdf

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    1. Re:GPS COULD be used on volcanos? by kfstark · · Score: 2, Informative
      GPS is used extensively at Volcanos. In fact, some of my software is used to download the GPS receivers at the Hawaiin Volcano Observatory. However, real time assessment of the deformation is not used as much. Luckily, A volcano is a fairly small area and real time kinematic (RTK) GPS can be used with accurate results. The only requirement is a static GPS site installed outside the area of the deformation zone.


      RTK is not a useful in an earthquake region since it requires a site to remain stable and for the other sites to reference it. An earthquake involves such a large area, that your stable reference site will also move and corrupt your solution.



      --Keith

  12. Worthwhile - $181 per person in 2004 by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article is interesting in the use of GPS recievers to gather information. Let's look at two datasets.

    From Wikipedia: "The accuracy of the GPS signal itself is about 5 meters (16 ft) as of 2005 and has steadily improved over the last 15 years. Using differential GPS and other error-correcting techniques, the accuracy can be improved to about 1 cm (.4 in) over short distances."

    From NASA: "Large earthquakes often cause permanent movement of the Earth's surface, a result of the motion that occurs deep underground. The tsunamis spawned by the magnitude 9.0 earthquake on December 26, 2004, were the result of motions of the sea floor above the earthquake fault. Seismic measurements and computer models show that the Burma Plate slipped up to 20 meters (66 feet) at the location of the earthquake, 18 kilometers underground. The sea floor above moved less, up to 5 meters (16 feet) vertically and 11 meters (36 feet) horizontally."

    So, the practical uses of this, even without error-correction, are theoretically viable for creating an early warning system for Tsunamis.

    The article states that it should only really take 70 seconds for "a good idea of the final deformation". Linking this data to website and government run servers, the early warning system for Tsunamis would be far greater and accurate that say, tornado early warning systems. Consider the following exerpt from PBS's NewsHour: Developing a Global Tsunami Warning System: "STUART WEINSTEIN, Geophysicist, Pacific Tsunami Warning Center: I think the 'holy cow' moment didn't occur until we started getting the first preliminary reports over the wire services that, in fact, a damaging wave struck Phuket, Thailand and Sri Lanka.

    BETTY ANN BOWSER: Were you frustrated?

    Stuart WeinsteinSTUART WEINSTEIN: Very frustrated. Frustrated and to a certain extent humiliated. It's humiliating for me as a geophysicist working for a tsunami-warning program to learn first of a tsunami from a wire service than from a tide gauge. That -- it doesn't get any worse than that, quite frankly.

    BETTY ANN BOWSER: Thousands of miles away at NOAA's Pacific Marine Research Lab in Seattle, tsunami researcher Vasily Titov was also frustrated. It took him until 4 a.m. in the morning of the next day to run this computer model, because he didn't have tsunami readings either."

    Considering the earthquake hit at 00:59 GMT, and the wave first makes landfall at Sumatra 01:30 GMT, then 02:30 GMT in Thailand, then 03:00GMT in Sri Lanka and India... having a result from this system at 01:00GMT (70 seconds) automatically piped to the national emergency centers of governments, could have at least mobilized aid faster in Sumatra, and could have evacuated thousands in Thailand, Sri Lanka, and India.

    A total of approximately 275,000 died in the Indian Ocean Tsunami of 2004. At a cost of even $10,000 per detector, 5000 detectors for $50million USD would have only cost $181 for every person that died.

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    1. Re:Worthwhile - $181 per person in 2004 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Good points. But who pays for this? According to the CIA Sri Lanka has a per capita income of $4000. So that would be about 2 weeks salery per person plus power and up keep. That could be asking a lot from someone who isn't sure where his next meal will come from.

      Next question is where do we put the detectors? AFAIK every inch of coast line on earth is varnable. How many detectors are needed? Do the people living away from the coast need to help pay for detectors they don't need?

      Statistics are a good start but things are more complex than the raw numbers may show.

  13. This is what gov'ts should spend money on by komodotoes · · Score: 1

    You would think that projects like this, with such potentially positive results for every country with a coastline, would be a real focal point for government spending. Unfortunately, it seems like too many governments only find money for these things after the fact, when TV screens start showing the after-effects of catastrophes. As much as I believe that a global early warning network is a good idea, I am pessimistic about it ever being completely implemented, for reasons of bureaucracy and cost.



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  14. Article text in case of /.'ing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    (and posting as AC, so I'm not karma whoring, Jeebus)

    GPS Could Speed Tsunami Warnings

    By Elizabeth Svoboda

    GPS satellite receivers are already navigational must-haves for hikers and drivers. Now scientists are hatching plans to press them into service as tsunami predictors.

    International organizations like the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, or PTWC, in Hawaii currently depend on coastal seismic stations to record deep-sea earthquakes that could cause giant waves. But according to Jeff Freymueller, a geophysicist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, data from GPS receivers could provide quicker, more accurate estimates of the magnitude of a tsunami-causing quake, buying time for evacuation. Freymueller presented his findings at this week's American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco.

    Unlike seismometers, GPS receivers can measure the movement of the ground in real time. Because quake magnitude is a direct function of how much the earth shifts, Freymueller has demonstrated that the receivers can obtain precise measurements of a massive quake's severity in as little as 20 minutes.

    "Seismometers measure the velocity of the ground, and you have to collect a number of cycles of the important wave in order to get that measurement," he said. "GPS receivers measure the static displacement of the earth, and after the first few minutes of a quake, that doesn't change much."

    Freymueller envisions a new tsunami-warning strategy that would use seismic and GPS data in tandem to calculate a wave-causing quake's strength soon after its onset. This would enable more-accurate computer simulations of the coming wave, allowing more-targeted evacuation strategies. Planting the receivers every hundred miles in tsunami-prone areas, he added, could be done in a matter of months, and each receiver would cost less than $10,000.

    "Early warnings from GPS could save thousands of lives," he said. "In last year's Indian Ocean tsunami, there were potentially one to two hours for evacuation, had an accurate warning system been in place. Every minute counts."

    Seismic measurements of very large quakes like the one that caused last year's Indian Ocean tsunami take several hours to fine-tune, because the moving vibrations must be recorded at a variety of stations in different locations. When the quake that caused the giant Southeast Asian wave first hit, scientists at the PTWC estimated its magnitude at 8.0, but revised their estimate to 8.5 an hour later. After a few more hours passed, a team at Harvard University pegged the quake at 8.9. The final reading, 9.2, was not agreed upon until months afterward.

    Yehuda Bock, a geologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, has also investigated the possibilities of using GPS receivers in tsunami-warning systems. His results are similar to Freymueller's, indicating the receivers can gauge the ground movements created by tsunami-causing quakes with unprecedented precision and speed.

    "With GPS, the displacements are measured second by second," said Bock, who also presented at the American Geophysical Union conference. "Within 70 seconds you have a good idea of the final deformation." In addition to predicting tsunamis, he thinks GPS modules could be used to monitor the activity of volcanoes and landslides in real time.

    Like Freymueller and Bock, Peter MacDoran, a GPS expert who works for George Washington University and Taco Bell's Space and Advanced Communications Research Institute, wants to make GPS receivers part of disaster-prediction networks. But he foresees using them in a different way: to track the movement of tsunami-associated pressure waves in the Earth's atmosphere.

    "Quakes that cause tsunamis create deformation on the surface of the water, and that causes an atmospheric 'thump,'" MacDoran said. "A compression wave travels into the upper atmosphere, and that disturbance causes subtle changes in the way GPS signals travel." Digital processing of the changed signals coming from nearby receivers

  15. Either a Tsunami is happening or it isn't... by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "In 23 minutes and 12 seconds a tsunami of height 13.6 meters will hit blah blah blah...".
    Actually it is the core idea.

    Tsunamis not caused by weather. They are generally sparked off by earthquakes, which we cannot predict reliably. However, once one is sparked off and we know the nature of the event(what kind of earthquake, magnitude, location) we can predict the tsunami once we crunch the numbers. However, this takes time.

    Tsunamis are basically shock waves. They travel at 500-1000 kilometers an hour while in the deep ocean. That means that you are going to have much less than an hour in most situations. If you're talking over an hour of travel time you're talking about a minor tsunami for anything less than a huge asteroid hit. Near shore it slows down to 'dozens of kilometers' as it builds into a huge wave.

    Seconds count in this situation. We're talking sirens annoncing the need to take immediate shelter, or travel inland/out to ocean. The most dangerous area is the coast region. If you're far enough out to sea, the wave can be handled, if you even notice it. Coastal mega-hotels need to be built strong enough to take the wave, though I'd see evacuating all of the ocean side and lower level rooms.

    20 minutes can save a huge number of lives, though. A moderatly healthy person should be able to walk at least a mile and a half in that time. It's also the sort of situation where you're likely better off walking than trying to take your car. So many other people will be trying to drive, panicing, that accidents and traffic will slow you to a stop.

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  16. Might work for a little while by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Until the tsunamis get ahold of these.

    1. Re:Might work for a little while by Urusai · · Score: 1

      Although I bet GPS can be jammed in some fashion, that article reeks of hoaxiness through and through. In fact, all it needs is references to "qi" or government coverups to complete the effect.

  17. The trouble with other people... by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    Word of impending doom spreads like wildfire... people would find out relatively quickly, I think everyone simultaneously trying to leave an area at the same time might cause a lot of problems actualling leaving...

    So you'd wind up drowning in your car...

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    1. Re:The trouble with other people... by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 1

      At least if traffic is like Atlanta where I live, you would die among friends
      Actually, IIRC, Ney Yorkers suffer similar traffic but are much less benevolent. Too bad, they are a hell of a lot more likely to get hit by a tsunami than Atlanta.

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  18. A better use for GPS? by thisjustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this article (and the researcher) missed the point of a far more profound, yet more far-off, use of GPS in earthquake detection. Spectrum recently ran a story describing how the GPS system among other things could sense impending earthquakes days, weeks, and even months in advance of an earthquake. The basic concept is the cracking of rocks in the crust leading up to an earthquake frees electrons which rush downward creating positvely charged holes. These holes also appear at Earth's surface and attract electons out of the ionosphere. The phase difference of the two signals the GPS satelites transmit is affected by this change and the change from normal values can be detected. This is still a long way off, and the use of GPS to measure this phenomena is only one and definitely not the best. But it sounds better than the couple hours mentioned in the article.

  19. They aren't using comsumer devices by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    The devices being used for this work are typically $10K+ units using RTK, as opposed to general purpose GPS (like the Garmins etc you might use for hiking). They also use very good antennas which provide good coverage. RTK receivers can measure down to 20mm (yes less than 1 inch) and can thus provide measurements of flexing and slumping and thus things like the tsunami energy and stresses that often signal pending earthquakes or volcanic activity. GPS has a long history (many years) in monitoring fault lines etc in places like California, Japan and New Zealand. These units are perminantly mounted at monitoring stations, so aquisition time is a non-issue.

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  20. Other uses for these GPS measurement stations by Reverse+Gear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just wanted to add that these GPS measurement stations put up for this purpose could give valauable information that could also be used for other many purposes, I can mostly think of geophysics purposes as that is what I work with myself, but I imagine such a web could be used for many other things

    I remember a paper about the isostatic rebound after the icecap in Scandinavia where GPS recievers were used. A curiosity I remember from the paper was that at the coastal areas there were quite a lot more uncertainty on the vertical movement, which the authors said probably was caused by the bigger amount of snow that assembles on the GPS devices and thereby causing refraction of the waves used for the GPS measurement

    GPS information could is also used to determine the absolute movement of plates and I imagine that this system could also with time, be used to predict big earthquakes more precisely and thereby give even more time to prepare for the tsunamies etc.

  21. Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GPS is easier to say than acceler-o-whatsit is.

  22. Pacific detector network reference by gbeverly · · Score: 1

    Here is the Alaska/Pacific tsunami detection data from NOAA: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/dart.shtml
    Interesting stuff.

  23. Geodetic GPS by certsoft · · Score: 1

    TFA didn't mention this, but they may be talking about Geodetic GPS receivers. These units are often used to measure plate drift and can measure down to 5 millimeters or so. Something like http://www.trimble.com/5800.shtml

  24. Aleutian chain plate monitoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A team was on Unimak over the summer to install a few stations which can measure submillimeter movements (as I understand from what they told me); these are GPS-based but there may be other stuff involved for all I know. The site selection was not at all a trivial operation, involving three specialists in different fields as well as a lot of helicopter time. I guess it's tough to find good solid bedrock in a volcanic area.

    They use a laser system to transmit the data from the mountain to the town's satellite link, uploading the data stream in realtime. Very cool stuff.

  25. But by Catmeat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    More accurate seismometers would be nice. But one thing about sea-floor earthequakes is that some generate tsunamis and some do not. That's why NOAA spends a bucket-load of money maintaining a network of deep-ocean pressure sensors on the bed of the Pacific (link) These work because a tsunami in deep ocean has a wavelength vastly greater than the depth of water so it produces a small, but characteristic and detectable, pressure pulse as it passes over the sensor.

    If this GPS idea works as advertised, it'll be a very useful incremental improvment to the tsunami warning networks. But it'll hardly be revolutionary. Being able to determine which events will produce a tsunami just from the seismic data - that would be revolutionary.

  26. this week? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1
    Freymueller presented his findings at this week's American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco

    That's funny ... I thought it was two weeks ago.

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  27. With GPS on most mobile phones... by BucksCountyCycleGeek · · Score: 1
    Sirens and evacuation routes are such a 20th century way of warning people about tsunamis. How often does a car alarm go off that you automatically tune out?

    It would seem like a better idea to have a sort of public-safety warning system integrated with the mobile phone network. This way, the authorities could simply send SMS messages (or even graphic messages) to people within a specific geographical area, giving them the nature of the incident in question.

    I think we had something like this that put messsages on your radar detector, but it died in the womb a while back.

    This would work for virtually everything - if a train derailed and spilled hazardous chemicals, the fire department could use the public safety system to get people out of their houses. If a hurricane was going, they could use the system to coordinate evacuation so that people wouldn't get trapped in giant traffic jams. And if an escaped killer got out of jail, they could send everyone in the immediate area his picture.

  28. RTFA by joggle · · Score: 1
    Seismometers are essentially very high precision accelerometers in that they record the local acceleration of the ground. The GPS receivers provide a total change in position caused by an earthquake which helps the tsunami models be more accurate.

    Another way GPS receivers can be used is by placing one on a buoy a few miles off of the coast. When a tsunami passes the buoy, there will be an unusually long-period wave detected by the software monitoring the buoy's position. When this occures shortly after an earthquake a tsunami warning would be issued to the coast, giving the residents 5-10 minutes to head to higher ground. See this page for an example installation. This usage of GPS receivers has been around for at least 5 years.

  29. TFA is not clear . . by wwood_98 · · Score: 1

    about how they would use GPSr's to measure *seafloor* movement. Is this thing submerged and anchored to the floor of the ocean? Or is it a buoy with an umbilical to something fixxed to the seafloor? Or is it a buoy that simply floats and measures at the surface only?

    I'm sure they have considered it, but I don't see it in the article.

  30. Right Idea, Wrong Tool. by TaranRampersad · · Score: 1

    They should be using Inertial Navigation Systems. And Wired should fix it's registration process.

    1. Re:Right Idea, Wrong Tool. by Detritus · · Score: 1

      An inertial platform drifts and requires periodic recalibration.

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    2. Re:Right Idea, Wrong Tool. by TaranRampersad · · Score: 1

      Not if calibrated properly and used differentially. GPS is worse with the same anyway. ;-)

  31. Week before last (as in first week of December). by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Okay, point taken ;-) I was trying to correct a minor inaccuracy in TFA and ended up flubbing it in a couple of ways. :-|

    Generally the AGU meets as early as possible in December ... as in right after classes end at most universities. If you're really concerned about meeting dates, you can always check out the AGU website.

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