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The Truth About Suprnova Shutdown

Romeo E. Cabrera writes "You might remember it was exactly a year ago when Suprnova, once the most popular BitTorrent search engine went dark. Today, Suprnova's admin Sloncek, reveals the truth and details, about the events occurred then."

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  1. So, to sum it up by fmwap · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, summarizing the article:

    Nothing happened
    Case dropped
    Suprnova still gone

    1. Re:So, to sum it up by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Informative

      FYI in the US, there is secondary liability for civil copyright infringement. In a criminal copyright infringement case, it might be possible for the government to prosecute an indirect infringer under an aiding and abetting theory, but I'm not aware of any examples.

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      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
    2. Re:So, to sum it up by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because Corporations are always getting Merc and Terrorists to stop things they don't like. For example the MercCo raid on Shanghi Windows XP pirates in '02 that resulted in...

      Actually they don't, and the United States Government really doesn't do much militarily to protect corporate interests these days, not like the Fruit company fun in the 20th century. Yea, War for Oil, War for Kosovo's Tin, the geopolitical ramifications of the US and/or NATO going to war are much larger than Corporate Interests these days.

      However, if a Nation-State has a relationship with the United States, there will be treaties and frameworks usually that'll help shut this stuff down. Plus, your ISPs could just block thier domain names.

      That all said, if you are really intent on pirating other people's property, and it's not about "Sharing", come on, it's about gettng crap for free, look at Indian Reservations in the United States. The legal issues between a Reservation, County, State and the Federal Governments are a goddamned mess. Plus, theres a whole lot of corruption so with some cash, you might get a Rez to go for this model.*

      * - I'm Indian and from a Reservation and have known a fair share of Tribal Council and Chairpeople over the years that I can say they are corrupt for the most part without being a Troll or a Flamer.

    3. Re:So, to sum it up by RevBingo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd need a very well armed small country, only one appears to be a possibility...

      The Vatican?

    4. Re:So, to sum it up by Dolda2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know about the US, but here in Sweden, there is a law from the BBS era that holds sites free from any responsibility of linking to copyrighted material, as long as they don't host the material themselves. That is what keeps ThePirateBay afloat (since that's basically the way Bittorrent works).

  2. 15 minutes of fame by intelliot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why normal people are catapulted into a spotlight they didn't ask for will always be a question of concern. If you want to be famous, you can be. But think about it. If you want to be famous, you're not thinking straight. As small site owners are plummeled with traffic and legal issues, how can we help them survive? This reminds me of the blogosphere, which recently experienced growing pains with the servers and datacenters struggling to cope with demand.

    1. Re:15 minutes of fame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Blogosphere?!

      Blogosphere: The "blogosphere" is the new buzz word that has replaced "information super highway." It's what idiots like to call a collection of "blogs," otherwise known as a tragedy.

      http:///http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c. cgi?u=banish>
  3. Slyck Disagrees with Sloncek by remove+office · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sloncek's story is disputed by Slyck here.

    slyck of course being the most prominent file sharing news source on the web.

    1. Re:Slyck Disagrees with Sloncek by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 5, Interesting
      They're not disputing it. Try reading it again. They list three questions/inconsistencies that they felt were unanswered:
      1. Why would he continue supported eXeem if he was under copyright enforcement actions?
      2. Why would he continue working with ANY P2P development?
      3. Although the Suprnova.org servers were raided in November, the site continued to function until December.

      They go on to say:
      A year later, answers for the curious are finally available. ... Considering the magnitude of the situation Sloncek faced, he did what was best for him. No on else from the BitTorrent community was going to help him, and he knew that. Whether he is telling the truth is irrelevant.

      That's not disputing him. That's saying, "we had questions before, but he answered them sufficiently, and it doesn't really matter even if he weren't telling the truth."

      Yay.
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      You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. --Winston Churchill
  4. Well... by Sinryc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll be honest. I would have done the same thing as him. I mean really, Everything turned out okay for him in the end anyway. He didn't serve any jail time, and he got all of his stuff back. Hell, hes probabbly glad about the site bein' kaputs. All these people that will say that he should have fought, etc... Well, they need to understand this guy has a real life as well, and not just one that encompases a website that gives torrent files to materials in wich you didn't pay for.

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  5. Translation by Ghandalfar · · Score: 5, Informative

    (slovenian speaker here)

    The legal document basicly says:

    Legal case against Andrej P. (his address blacked out), charged with criminal act of helping copyright infrigment by 1. article of 159. of some law with following objects written into log:
    - server with serial number ..
    - server with serial number ..
    - server with serial number ..
    - server with serial number ..
    - personal computer ..
    - personal computer ..


    are returned to the owner because legal charges against A. P. are dropped.

    And them some more legal talk where he can get his stuff in 30 days.

    That is about as much as I can handle at this early hour.

  6. Re:Text of the Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I appologise for my poor English (legal), here is translation. And yes, document is genuine.

    With part 224, ZKP and 6/136 of State pros. order we:
    In criminal case against Andrej Preston, (adress omitted), in suspected criminal case of giving help with crime of unauthorized usage of authored (copyrighted) works at. 1/159 with connection 22 in 27 of KZ, are all objects in CD (corpus delicti) entry no ****:
    ***list of equipment****
    to returned to owner, that is Andrej Preston, because criminial case against him was dropped.

    LEGAL:
    Named (Andrej Preston) can take above mentioned objects at District State prosecutor office in Ljubljana in 30 days from receiving this letter. After 30 days, all objects will be destroyed.

  7. SuprNova may be gone but... by Capeman · · Score: 5, Informative

    NewNova is online, it offers the same content that SuprNova once had.

  8. Re:Text of the Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Oh hell, anybody here speak Slovenian?

    Sure. Here is a helpful translation into icelandic:

    "KJa wfoami coliaboa cklembi 224. Anerpicja 13 ZKP 6 opwef nabrioa. 136 Kpentitia. Kpmarij manstani onikapp."

    HTH.

  9. Welcome to the club. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "On November 2004, I received a call from my ISP saying that all of my servers had been raided by the police. I received nothing from the police before or after the raid, nobody told me what was going on."

    On my end, Adobe lawyers contacted my ISP and sent a short, but curt letter: "Shut him down, or we will." I balked and so did my ISP after some heated conversation. I ran a VERY popular macintosh serial # site and yeah, serial numbers are sort of a grey area as far as I was concerned (and so thought my ISP thought, as well).

    Whoops.

    Yeah, it was stupid on my part but I enjoyed the money that rolled in from my sponsors. In the long-term I got burned, much like this fellow will. I had to claim bankruptcy, due to my mounting legal bills. I'm basically screwed for the next 7 years. Hooray. Some people can walk that thin grey line between legal and illegal but I found a way to trip over it. Oh well.

  10. Re:EU law and Slovenia by dago · · Score: 5, Informative

    The EU doesn't really make laws, but directives, which focus on objectives, forcing member states to implement them, generally with laws. The member states usually have some freedom in the implementation.

    For example, for the EU Copyrirght Directive (EUCD), there're the list of all possible "faire use" exceptions, and this is even linked with anti-circumvention articles. At the end, the states are free to take an agressive, DMCA-like legislation, where it is illegal to "break" DRM to make a private copy, while other could choose to allow circumvention of DRM and creation of MP3 for private use (see article 5.2.b and 6.4).

    So, it depends, and in this case, you should ask a slovenian ;)

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  11. Re:And where's all the donated legal aid money? by montyzooooma · · Score: 5, Informative

    Needless to say but you seem to be confusing Suprnova with Lokitorrent. Loki pretty much took the money and ran after selling his registered users out. Suprnova never required registration to use the trackers, Lokitorrent did, so when Loki handed over his user logs the RIAA (I think it was) got there hands on the email addresses of anyone who'd used the sites. That's a LOT of hotmail addresses...

  12. "wait and see" ? by Presence2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How the hell does an admin go a week, let alone "November to December" without having a single clue as to why police would raid his servers? Why his site was shut down? Fear or apathy?

    His statement strikes me as someone who was simply hoping the problem would go away (as quoted) from the onset. More pressure on both the police and a legal defense from the onset could have both quelled the investigation as groundless and gotten the site back up.

    It's an unfortunate truth that law enforcement often only succeeds in setting legal precedent in computer investigations only because people aren't more diligent in defending themselves.

  13. Re:RIP by muffen · · Score: 5, Informative

    TBP, safe to say the torrent community is still strong just like it was in the suprnova days, might just be you who decided not to be part of it anymore.

    TvTorrents,www.tvtorrents.com would be another one, there are plenty of torrent site, thepiratebay, without a doubt, being the largest in the world.

    If you wanna have a laugh, take a look at TBP Legal Threats, and then decide how big the chances are that tpb will go down (lawchange in sweden, where TPB is hosted, takes approx. 2 years, and they haven't even started trying to change it yet).