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The Truth About Suprnova Shutdown
Romeo E. Cabrera writes "You might remember it was exactly a year ago when Suprnova, once the most popular BitTorrent search engine went dark. Today, Suprnova's admin Sloncek, reveals the truth and details, about the events occurred then."
So, summarizing the article:
Nothing happened
Case dropped
Suprnova still gone
Incredibly lucky for the guy, really... but do you think it was because prosecutor couldn't figure out how to get the guy?
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Why normal people are catapulted into a spotlight they didn't ask for will always be a question of concern. If you want to be famous, you can be. But think about it. If you want to be famous, you're not thinking straight. As small site owners are plummeled with traffic and legal issues, how can we help them survive? This reminds me of the blogosphere, which recently experienced growing pains with the servers and datacenters struggling to cope with demand.
Sloncek's story is disputed by Slyck here.
slyck of course being the most prominent file sharing news source on the web.
Good to know that nothing really happenned to the guy. Sometimes us leechers forget that behind every torrent/p2p website, there's still good people working behind the scenes who made it all possible... sadly, they are usually the ones who get all the blame.
I'll be honest. I would have done the same thing as him. I mean really, Everything turned out okay for him in the end anyway. He didn't serve any jail time, and he got all of his stuff back. Hell, hes probabbly glad about the site bein' kaputs. All these people that will say that he should have fought, etc... Well, they need to understand this guy has a real life as well, and not just one that encompases a website that gives torrent files to materials in wich you didn't pay for.
Yay, I have a sig.
it's up again, now it's newnova.org - maybe I shouldn't be sharing this but what the hell.
If you mod me down the terrorists will have won
The people at pirate bay arent scriptkiddies either, see this url: http://static.thepiratebay.org/
(slovenian speaker here)
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The legal document basicly says:
Legal case against Andrej P. (his address blacked out), charged with criminal act of helping copyright infrigment by 1. article of 159. of some law with following objects written into log:
- server with serial number
- server with serial number
- server with serial number
- server with serial number
- personal computer
- personal computer
are returned to the owner because legal charges against A. P. are dropped.
And them some more legal talk where he can get his stuff in 30 days.
That is about as much as I can handle at this early hour.
I appologise for my poor English (legal), here is translation. And yes, document is genuine.
With part 224, ZKP and 6/136 of State pros. order we:
In criminal case against Andrej Preston, (adress omitted), in suspected criminal case of giving help with crime of unauthorized usage of authored (copyrighted) works at. 1/159 with connection 22 in 27 of KZ, are all objects in CD (corpus delicti) entry no ****:
***list of equipment****
to returned to owner, that is Andrej Preston, because criminial case against him was dropped.
LEGAL:
Named (Andrej Preston) can take above mentioned objects at District State prosecutor office in Ljubljana in 30 days from receiving this letter. After 30 days, all objects will be destroyed.
Huh? The article was written by "Suprnova's admin Sloncek". He is the one who came close to being prosecuted, his computers were confiscated, etc. He is the only one who can give an account of the story, and if he choses to say blah blah and blah blah, there is nothing anyone else can do to fill in those details.
Your remarks would make sense if an original news item was dumbed down for the "general public".
If the guy who got the letter from the prosecutor does not wish to quote verbatim from it, or he thinks it is not relevant, why question it? It's probably not relevant anyway, just some law numbers and dates.
He does provide the original letter (in Slovenian), so read it yourself for the gory details. Or, scroll down for helpful translations below.
NewNova is online, it offers the same content that SuprNova once had.
> Oh hell, anybody here speak Slovenian?
Sure. Here is a helpful translation into icelandic:
"KJa wfoami coliaboa cklembi 224. Anerpicja 13 ZKP 6 opwef nabrioa. 136 Kpentitia. Kpmarij manstani onikapp."
HTH.
Roughly translated, it says, "I, for one, welcome our new BitTorrent overlords."
Game... blouses.
On my end, Adobe lawyers contacted my ISP and sent a short, but curt letter: "Shut him down, or we will." I balked and so did my ISP after some heated conversation. I ran a VERY popular macintosh serial # site and yeah, serial numbers are sort of a grey area as far as I was concerned (and so thought my ISP thought, as well).
Whoops.
Yeah, it was stupid on my part but I enjoyed the money that rolled in from my sponsors. In the long-term I got burned, much like this fellow will. I had to claim bankruptcy, due to my mounting legal bills. I'm basically screwed for the next 7 years. Hooray. Some people can walk that thin grey line between legal and illegal but I found a way to trip over it. Oh well.
Actually, if you were to facilitate raping, pillaging, murder, and plunder on the high seas, probably a lot worse would happen to you.
Though I suspect you're really talking about copyright infringement.
(Chuckle: it's amusing, really.)
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am i the only person here who goes to mininova.org instead? seems like the same library of media, justabout
... Uhoh, do you hear it?! The quiet roar of turbine engines, the whirr of rotorblades... the Black Army Helicopters are coming! Quick, you must sell everything you have and give all your life savings to the RIAA and MPAA in the hopes that you can bribe them and their their vast armies to fend off the imminent attack!
SHHH!
This episode of "Scare The Living Pants Off Of Internet Users" paid for by the MPAA and RIAA
The EU doesn't really make laws, but directives, which focus on objectives, forcing member states to implement them, generally with laws. The member states usually have some freedom in the implementation.
;)
For example, for the EU Copyrirght Directive (EUCD), there're the list of all possible "faire use" exceptions, and this is even linked with anti-circumvention articles. At the end, the states are free to take an agressive, DMCA-like legislation, where it is illegal to "break" DRM to make a private copy, while other could choose to allow circumvention of DRM and creation of MP3 for private use (see article 5.2.b and 6.4).
So, it depends, and in this case, you should ask a slovenian
#include "coucou.h"
Needless to say but you seem to be confusing Suprnova with Lokitorrent. Loki pretty much took the money and ran after selling his registered users out. Suprnova never required registration to use the trackers, Lokitorrent did, so when Loki handed over his user logs the RIAA (I think it was) got there hands on the email addresses of anyone who'd used the sites. That's a LOT of hotmail addresses...
vcrs (famous betamax decision) helped people carry out an illegal act.. but it was legal.
just providing the means does NOT equate into illegal actions.
napster got in trouble because they kept the master file list on their own servers- and then couldn't filter out content the riaa & others wanted blocked.
Laws concerning morality never fit in with the 'average' views of the citizenry--
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Suprnova may have been popular at the time, but like all websites, they come and go. There is always someone else to take their place. Remember isonews.com when it was taken down by the FBI years ago? Hey guess what? Their back up and running with a new website theisonews.com
Now we have sites like thepiratebay.org which is probably one of the best torrent sites on the internet. Heck, they even tout the lawyers and post the threating legal letters on their website for everyone to read http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php
Quite hilarious if you ask me.
Of course you have other torrent sites as well, like torrentspy.com which is another popular site.
sites come and go, they come and go....
~Later~
How the hell does an admin go a week, let alone "November to December" without having a single clue as to why police would raid his servers? Why his site was shut down? Fear or apathy?
His statement strikes me as someone who was simply hoping the problem would go away (as quoted) from the onset. More pressure on both the police and a legal defense from the onset could have both quelled the investigation as groundless and gotten the site back up.
It's an unfortunate truth that law enforcement often only succeeds in setting legal precedent in computer investigations only because people aren't more diligent in defending themselves.
Crime is the art of knowing when to quit.
-Me
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
TBP, safe to say the torrent community is still strong just like it was in the suprnova days, might just be you who decided not to be part of it anymore.
TvTorrents,www.tvtorrents.com would be another one, there are plenty of torrent site, thepiratebay, without a doubt, being the largest in the world.
If you wanna have a laugh, take a look at TBP Legal Threats, and then decide how big the chances are that tpb will go down (lawchange in sweden, where TPB is hosted, takes approx. 2 years, and they haven't even started trying to change it yet).