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Explosion on Moon Spreads Moondust

Jotii writes "NASA scientists have observed an explosion on the moon. The blast, equal in energy to about 70 kg of TNT, occurred near the edge of Marethe Sea of Rains on Nov. 7, 2005, when a 12-centimeter-wide meteoroid slammed into the ground. The main danger of such explosions is the static and toxic moondust, which is thrown around."

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  1. Danger? by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main danger of such explosions is the static and toxic moondust, which is thrown around.

    Danger to whom exactly? Should I be hitting the bunker to dodge that toxic moondust?

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    1. Re:Danger? by Jotii · · Score: 3, Informative

      Danger to whom exactly?

      To the astronauts. The dust is poisonous, is flung rapidly, and sticks to the astronauts.

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    2. Re:Danger? by Jotii · · Score: 2, Informative

      The dust is not a problem, it might become a problem, e.g. if more astronauts walk on the moon or if outposts are built, both of which are highly likely to happen.

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    3. Re:Danger? by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, any moonestrials should be immune to moon dust... or maybe not, which would explain why there aren't any.

      So, if you find yourself outside on the moon, without the luxury of a space suit, don't breathe in...

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    4. Re:Danger? by DeathByDuke · · Score: 4, Informative

      moon dust is heavily corrosive, its not fine grained smooth surfaced like the dust on earth, it hasnt been 'weathered' etc and so still has spikes etc on its surface. Apollo astronauts found it corroded a lot of their equipment and spacesuits due to the friction and the tearing properties of the dust.

      Nasa has reason to be concerned since it could tear open a spacesuit or corrode a bases walls over time.

    5. Re:Danger? by wooferhound · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would also add . . .
      Don't breath out eather !

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    6. Re:Danger? by pnewhook · · Score: 4, Informative
      moon dust is heavily corrosive, its not fine grained smooth surfaced like the dust on earth

      Actually it can be very fine grained. The closest analogy I've seen officially used for testing vehicles for the moon is fine dry Portland cement.

      Dust on earth is primarily ash, flakes of skin, dust mites, and dust mite fecal matter, so moon dust is certainly not like earth dust.

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    7. Re:Danger? by BlindRobin · · Score: 2, Funny

      moonestrials
      shouldn't that be lunestrials?
      or would that have some side effects including drowsyness ?

    8. Re:Danger? by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Clangers perhaps? I expect that the soup dragon isn't too happy either.

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    9. Re:Danger? by jnik · · Score: 2, Informative
    10. Re:Danger? by brucifer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think the term you are looking for is "Mooninites". Observe this transcript of part of a recent visit by some of their more advanced citizens.

      ignignokt: we are the mooninites and our culture is advanced beyond all that you can possibly comprehend with 100% of your brain
      frylock: oh is that so and what is so advanced about it
      ignignokt: well for 1 thing the moon has 1/3 less gravity than your earth i don't know if you can understand that but our vertical leap is beyond all measurement
      frylock: so what your saying is your culture is more advanced because you can jump higher?
      ignignokt: yes observe
      (jumps)
      ignignokt: its not working here err come in here help me explain our advanced ways hurry
      err: did you mention the spelling?
      ignignokt: yes we're excellent spellers challenge me
      err: yes challenge us both

    11. Re:Danger? by sd_diamond · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dust on earth is primarily ash, flakes of skin, dust mites, and dust mite fecal matter,

      Well, that's the last time I empty my vacuum cleaner's basket without gloves.

    12. Re:Danger? by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't breath out eather

      Hmmm... Do you mean

      "Don't breathe out ether" or
      "Don't breathe out either?"

      I suppose that if the Lunarians breathed out ether, that might explain the side effects of extreme drowsiness....

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  2. In Other News: Research stolen. Lawsuit Pending by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Moondust is electrostatically charged and notoriously clingy." --Dr. Tony Phillips, 2005

    "But moondust will cover you. Cover you." --David Bowie, 1996

  3. How do they know the size and speed of the object? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Obviously they can calculate the objects kinetic energy from the intensity of the flash. This will give them mass or speed, but not both. Perhaps the speed came from their assumption about the origin of the meteoroid, but that could still be wrong, of course.

    BTW if anybody is interested in exactly what it was like to be walking on the moon in the 60's and 70's I recommend they have a look at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal

  4. Danger?! by Cally · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The main danger of such explosions is the static and toxic moondust, which is thrown around."

    The main danger to what, the other moon rocks lying around within 10m of the impact point? Gimme a break, already!

    The space.com headline is a bit closer to the mark... "Small space rock spotted hitting the moon".

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    1. Re:Danger?! by Jotii · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is dangerous to future astronauts and outposts.

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  5. Toxic moondust, eh? by wampus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Who did NASA feed the moondust to to determine it is toxic?
    2. If you are inside on the moon, one would presume the dust isn't
    3. If you are outside on the moon and this happens, you just had 70kg of TNT dropped on you. Getting exploded is your primary concern, followed by death, with moondust toxicity being an also ran
    1. Re:Toxic moondust, eh? by Bill+Wong · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's very well known that microscopic particles of dust can be very damaging to the lungs.
      See Pneumoconiosis and Silicosis.

  6. Re:How do they know the size and speed of the obje by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eh, if you know the kinetic energy wouldn't you know the *product* of the mass AND speed, but not either individually?

    Been a while since I've taken physics but it seems intuitive...

  7. Foxnews suspects terrorist by Timo_UK · · Score: 3, Funny

    Congress extends PAT RIOT act to include the moon.

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    1. Re:Foxnews suspects terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the current crisis, the Bush administration advised citizens to seal doors and windows with duct tape.

  8. Apparently We Are Living In The Mirror Universe by nurhussein · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the "real" universe, it is Praxis that explodes, and we receive the Klingons for a peace treaty.

    I guess now this means we'll have to take the iniative and go meet Chancellor Gorkon.

  9. Re:Does anyone remember the Outer Limits? by Jotii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rocks aren't really intercepted by the moon, they hit it because the moon lacks an atmosphere. Earth's atmosphere reduces rocks to harmless strims of heat.

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  10. THAT'S NO MOON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh wait... nvm.

  11. Re:Does anyone remember the Outer Limits? by XchristX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Earth's atmosphere reduces rocks to harmless strims of heat.

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  12. That's a first... by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's the first time I've heard a meteor impact referred to as "explosion on moon spreads moondust".

    I'm no astronomer so I'm not sure it's written that way and posted here on Slashdot because it's really something notable just having happened, or it's just a one among thousands of meteor impact caught with a camera?

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    1. Re:That's a first... by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Informative

      An explosion doesn't have to be a chemical or nuclear reaction. When a small object collides with a large one at very high speed, a load of kinetic energy gets converted to heat in a small fraction of a second, melting and vaporizing a quantity of material. The high temperature generates very high pressure, and the hot matter proceeds to escape forcibly in every available direction. That's an explosion, and that's why meteor craters are bigger than the meteors that made them.

      The only difference between this and a TNT explosion is the source of the energy.

      rj

  13. Locale by dumpsterdiver · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Explosion on Moon Spreads Moondust But there, they just call it "dust" :p

  14. This is why you should keep your helmet on by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Interesting
    For the foreseeable future, any life on the moon will be in a spacesuit that is completely sealed, or inside a building or ship that is completely sealed. So, would toxic moondust be a problem?

    I suppose one might have to be careful when opening an airlock, lest moondust enter the airlock and then spread to the inside of the ship, but without an atmosphere, any dust blown up will settle quickly, so a simple rule of not opening an airlock right after anything nearby explodes should be sufficient.

    Or is the risk that it will get on the outside of suits, and be hard to clean off, and so will be carried in?

  15. Uh oh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like santa missed earth ;_;

  16. Its a good job... by Skiron · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the Apollo missions were faked, otherwise this could have hit some very expensive equipment up there and damaged it beyond repair!

  17. Dammit Man...... by mormop · · Score: 2, Funny

    So that's where Saddam hid the WMD!!!!!

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  18. Re:Not an explosion ... by pnewhook · · Score: 3, Interesting
    a rock slamming into another rock does not cause an explosion

    Yes it does. The force of the impact is great enough that it vaporizes the ground around it. This molten rock cloud then expands and rapidly cools releasing a huge flash of light as it does so. In short an explosion, albeit one without sound.

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  19. Re:Does anyone remember the Outer Limits? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

    More to the point, what's a "strim"?

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  20. Re:How do they know the size and speed of the obje by Inspector+Lopez · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is other information available.

    For example, the date of the observation (7 November), and commentary in the article leads to the reasonable supposition that the observation was from a meteor in the Taurid stream http://comets.amsmeteors.org/meteors/showers/tauri ds.html. Since the Taurids are very well characterized, their orbital velocity is extremely well known, and thus the net impact velocity would be known with great precision, too. If it's one of the Taurids. Which is not so bad an assumption.

    Even without the Taurid assumption, you can look at other data to put some bounds on the meteor velocities. For example, there are excellent "head echo" observations by some big radars:

    Arecibo http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/acp/acp/4/947/acp-4- 947.pdf

    Jicamarca http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/acp/acpd/3/6063/acpd -3-6063.pdf

    and there have been several PhD dissertations in recent years exploring a variety of aspects of meteors, just from the plasma physics side (let alone the "meteor astronomy" side); check out Close and Dyrud from 2004 at BU, http://www.bu.edu/astronomy/alumni/phd.html.

    The past decade has been a remarkably active time for meteor studies. There will be presentations about meteors at the URSI meeting in Boulder CO 4-7 Jan 2006, http://cires.colorado.edu/ursi/

  21. Journal entry: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    July 21, 1969

    TRANQUITY BASE: This is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed.
    Jesus H. Christ, Houston, we're on the fucking moon. Over.

    HOUSTON: Roger. Tranquility we copy you. We cannot believe you
    are on the fucking moon. Repeat. Cannot fucking believe it. Over.

    TRANQUILITY: It was a smooth touchdown. The moon for Christ's
    sake, the moon. Over.

    HOUSTON: Roger that. You're clear for TI, walking on the moon. Over.

    TRANQUILITY: We copy. Walking on the moon. Jesus. Over.

    HOUSTON: We read you. Over.

    TRANQUILITY: I'm on the bottom rung of the ladder. Just one more
    step and I'm... (long pause).

    HOUSTON: Tranquility?

    TRANQUILITY: Holy (pause) living (long pause) Fuck!

    HOUSTON: Tranquility? Do you copy?

    TRANQUILITY: Are you fucking believing this? Over.

    HOUSTON: We read you. Over.

    TRANQUILITY: I abso-fucking-lutely am standing on the surface
    of the fucking moon. I am talking to you from the goddammed
    fucking moon. Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.

    HOUSTON: Holy Shit.

    TRANQUILITY: Holy mother of fuck. The fucking moon. Over.

    HOUSTON: A-fucking-affirmative. Over.

  22. Same old, same old... by HiyaPower · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the chronicle of gervaise

    18 June 1178 (Julian calendar)

    In this year, on the Sunday before the feast of St. John the Baptist, after sunset when the moon has first become visible, a marvellous phenomenon was witnessed by some five or more men who were sitting there facing the moon. Now there was a bright new moon, and as usual in that phase, its horns were tilted towards the east and suddenly the upper horn split in two. From the midpoint of this division a flaming torch sprang up, spewing out, over a considerable distance, fire, hot coals and sparks. Meanwhile the body of the moon, which was below, writhed, as it were, in anxiety, and, to put it in the words of those who reported it to me and saw it with their own eyes, the moon throbbed like a wounded snake... Then after these transformations the moon from horn to horn, that is along its whole length, took on a blackish appearance.

    One (controversial) interpretation of this narrative, first suggested by Dr Jack B Hartung some 800 years later, is that it is a description of a crater impact in progress. The "upper horn split in two" is the apparent effect of a plume of dark dust or vapour, the "flaming torch [of] hot coals and sparks" describes the molten ejecta, and the way in which the rest of the Moon "writhed", "throbbed" and eventually "took on a blackish appearance" could be the effects of a temporary lunar atmosphere of gas and vapour created by the impact.

  23. DO NOT PANIC !!!!!! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Use duct tape to close all holes and the magical moondust will not get you ... tonight

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