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Massive Graphics Card Review

Brian Tonka writes to tell us that rojakpot has posted a pretty comprehensive graphics card review including over 240 different desktop graphics cards. With each of the vendors given their own section and using 15 different points of comparison this should be quite a starting reference for the enthusiast and casual buyer alike.

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  1. This isn't a review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a fricking table of all the cards and their specifications. It doesn't review a single card at all.

    1. Re:This isn't a review by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a fricking table of all the cards and their specifications. It doesn't review a single card at all.

      Exactly. It's full of irrelevant specifications (including for some ancient, not-a-chance-in-hell cards) that no one can use to choose a card (and processor speed and hypothetical megatexel speeds are largely irrelevant in the real world. Micron manufacturing process...well that's just retarded). What a waste of a story spot.

    2. Re:This isn't a review by 80+85+83+83+89+33 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      there are so many people that only have PCI slots (no AGP nor pci-Express) who would give anything for a nice comprehensive comparo review of old-school pci graphics cards.

      there is so much debate as to what is the fastest PCI card for gaming; yet the hardware sites don't understand the pain and suffering out there... or do they? all that is available on ANY hardware site is pure conjecture and respewing of marketing hype.

      they will NOT do a PCI video card review.

      i think they are under pressure from marketing forces (read: ad dollars) to not reveal the actual performance of PCI. (yet the review sites HAVE stated that the move to pciExpress is purely marketing; that there is NO performance benifit from AGP to pci-Express.)

      there is even a pci version of nvidia's 6200, yet try and find a review of that! (http://www.3dfuzion.com/cards_6200_pci_128.asp) yet you can find hordes of reviews of the agp and pciExpress versions of it.

      well, many brand name systems have only PCI, and it is a shock to many poor souls when they realize it (not everyone is as thorough as the /. crowd when it comes to picking out computers. and people recieve them as gifts, etc.). and i bet not providing a viable upgrade option is also a marketing move to force people to buy whole new systems just so they can play games.

      of course, i'm posting this hours after the article was put up, so prolly no one will even read this.

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    3. Re:This isn't a review by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I hope whoever paid /. for this story spot doesn't think they'll get their money's worth. 98% of the page hits will be people who clicked the link, saw a meaningless collection of statistics and closed the tab before the ads had even finished loading. And most people will open the story first, see the first three comments describing the article as rubbish and not bothering to click the link at all.

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    4. Re:This isn't a review by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Funny
      . 98% of the page hits will be people who clicked the link, saw a meaningless collection of statistics and closed the tab before the ads had even finished loading.

      About 1% of the hits will be from me, trying over and over to load the damn page which choked on some javascripted banner ad (from the name of the domain it was waiting for), till I finally gave up.

    5. Re:This isn't a review by Cerberus7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You make an excellent point. It's been so long since review sites stopped looking at PCI cards that there's no way to say if AGP itself has shown any benefits beyond a couple of frames per second here or there. Unless somebody were to get their hands on AGP, PCI, and PCI-E versions of the latest generation and reveal the truth to us all. We're talking a couple-thousand bucks worth of video cards, so I'm certainly not in a position to do it. I'd gladly do the testing, though. I have a hunch that AGP would show barely an improvement over PCI in a typical system (where the PCI bus is mostly idle), and PCI-E would only show improvement in a dual-card config.

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    6. Re:This isn't a review by kesuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like it or not, AGP is really the standard for video expansion right now.

      sorry to nit pick, but AGP is dead, for the latest and greatest the AGP and PCI Express version of the same card, and the AGP version costs $150 more. you can buy a Very nice motherboard for that price difference....

      AGP is a legacy product, in it's death throes. the cards require more circuitry, and they cost more. buying a motherbord with an agp slot relegates you to obsolete (or budget) 2005 model cards or paying a super premium on the high end 2006 cards.

      Why? because you can only have 1 AGP slot in a mother board, you can have 4 PCIEx16 slots, and still keep slotfans below them.. like it or not PCI Express x16 is here to stay, and agp is going the way of the dinosaur it was.

      there may not be a 'real world performance' issue between the two technologies, until you put a pair of gt7800's in SLI mode... or a pair of radeon X1800's in crossfire mode... then you see why agp is dead and dying.

    7. Re:This isn't a review by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Frankly, I don't consider PCI a real option for high-end gaming.


      Good for you. Now move along, cause we're not discussing high-end gaming here.

      Rojakpot's list lists PCI/AGP/PCIX/PCIe cards and motherboard chipsets regardless of what they're intended for -- even older cards like Voodoo1 and Matrox M200. That the list is both buggy and appear to have lost parts (what happened to the Matrox P-series, earlier on the list and still in retail?) is a different matter...

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    8. Re:This isn't a review by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, you are mostly right but made a glaring error. AGP8x allows multiple AGP slots (2 only, I think) in a single machine. Granted, that's only half as many video cards as you can have with PCIe... But dual-slot was the main draw of AGP8x, which rarely provides any performance improvement over AGP4x with sideband and fast write.

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  2. Review? by compm375 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This might be helpful to some people, but it can hardly be called a review. It is just a list of specs. It doesn't even have benchmarks.

    1. Re:Review? by compm375 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would be the first page...

  3. simple: open source drivers? by Speare · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Simple question. What's the list of modern cards that can accelerate 3d without a binary vendor driver on Linux? Something you can load on a typical Ubuntu or Fedora without finding JoeNoName's-Bleeding-Repository?

    Follow-up: can Red Hat or Novell or somebody please offer a certification logo program for some of these cards? You know, a sticker that you can find on the boxes in CompUSA or something, which says that it's not going to be a stink to get running on Linux?

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    1. Re:simple: open source drivers? by hamfactorial · · Score: 2, Informative

      The best so far would be the radeon 9250, which is the most recent card supported by the current (open source) x.org "radeon" driver, and has EXA acceleration in the just-released 6.9/7.0 version.

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    2. Re:simple: open source drivers? by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The best so far would be the radeon 9250, which is the most recent card supported by the current (open source) x.org
      > "radeon" driver, and has EXA acceleration in the just-released 6.9/7.0 version.

      Does it actually work yet? I keep on buying ATI based cards on the theory that it is the only major vendor with Free drivers available (even if ATI themselves doesn't help all that much to make them happen, it is still more than Nvidia does) but I have never had success with Xfree86's 3D driver. I always get random hardware lockups until I tire of it and install the proprietary driver. It can be a major bitch as well but once installed correctly the lockups end.

      Haven't tried the latest x.org version though, does it work at last? I'd really like to remove the only taint (other than a couple of old Loki games) from an otherwise 100% pure machine.

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    3. Re:simple: open source drivers? by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Follow-up: can Red Hat or Novell or somebody please offer a certification logo program for some of these cards? You know, a sticker that you can find on the boxes in CompUSA or something, which says that it's not going to be a stink to get running on Linux?

      Wrong question. Better question: Can a vendor-neutral consortium please offer the same.

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    4. Re:simple: open source drivers? by odie_q · · Score: 2, Informative

      I admin a score of machines using Sapphire 9200 cards, all running with the Xorg driver. The machines are used daily (I am posting this from one of them) and I have yet to see a single problem with the driver. Granted, OpenGL is mostly used for screen savers on these boxes, but still. In my experience the drivers are rock solid.

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  4. when do we get a complex database by spacerodent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So with all these benchmarks lately when do we get an extrapolating database where you and build a virtual system and get an estimate on what its proformance will be?

  5. Oops by phorm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Replying to myself, I didn't notice the "NVidia" link hidden at the bottom (I looked, I swear!), which leads to XGI, etc.

  6. Re:Hmm. Radeon, radeon, ati, ati by JanusFury · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are other brands on the following pages of the article; it's just really hard to find the 'next page' link because the site's layout SUCKS.

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  7. MTexels/s by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure if mega-texels shows true performance. I have a ATI 9700 Pro and Geforce 7800 GT, both can run games at high resolutions at the same speed, but the 7800 can run with AA/AF enabled without a performance hit.

    It is nice to see where GFX cards rate in games, and Toms hardware has the best link per game. Thats why I picked a GT over a GTX for 200 dollars less.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/02/vga_charts_ viii/page18.html
    and
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_ vii/page4.html

  8. Stop the madne...er, linking by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can somone give the useless and ad-ridden articles at rojakpot their own section, so I can filter them all out automatically? If I wanted a graphics card review that actually gave useful information, I'd visit a site with real content in that area, like Tom's hardware.

  9. Massive cards, or Massive review? by permaculture · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was hoping to read up on some massive graphics cards, as I recently purchased a massive motherboard. Imagine my disappointment when I find this is merely a massive review of normal sized graphics cards.

    "Massive Graphics Card Review" doesn't mean the same thing as "Massive Review of Graphics Cards".

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  10. The original article is right. by ShaolinTiger · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's titled COMPARISON, not REVIEW, whoever posted it to /. got it wrong, not the adsense crazy Rojakpot.

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  11. 3D at 2560x1600 by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A while ago I was trying to build a machine that could run my 30" cinema display at full native resolution (2560x1600) in 3D. Surprisingly difficult to figure it out partly because of the terminology. To run at that resolution, the card must be 'dual link' which is different from 'dual cards in SLI configuration' and they may actually be mutually exclusive features.

    I got dual nvidia 7800 GTX KO's in SLI configuration and it works great(even though the builder said it probably wouldn't)! I can run games like GuildWars and *upcoming beta product* at full resolution with excellent frame rates.

    Just an FYI.

  12. This is really cool by fraktus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok seems I am the only one to see this usefull.
    My application requiere shaders v2.0 and it's really boring to always type radeon radada in google to hunt for the specs to reply to questions from customers.
    Also even if it will not tell you for sure that your engine will run faster on this one or this one it will at least give you a hint.
    Having the OpenGL version supported from the driver would also have been nice.

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    1. Re:This is really cool by Mr.+Vandemar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may be cool, but it's sure as hell not a review.

  13. I would like to see by ysegalov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a gfx card that can draw not only polygons, but also natively draw round objects (i.e. circles).

  14. Slogan by DietCoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Where the best in technology gather."

    Let me finish that.

    "Where the best in technology gather, overload a server, then leave still wondering how the hell this constitutes a review."

    A bit wordy, but accurate.

  15. August wasn't *that* long ago... by twicesliced · · Score: 3, Informative
  16. Re:Dell 2405FPW?!?!?! by rwa2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, its native resolution is 1920x1200 - which is incidentally the limit on the single link DVI-D spec. You'll probably want to run at 32 bits per pixel (8 bits for red, green, blue, and alpha transparency), so you'll need a card with at least 10 MB of RAM... most cards have much more than this (32MB +), the extra which can be used for offscreen buffers and stuff. So pretty much any decent card with DVI-I outputs will do for 2D. Probably best to stick to the ATis and NVidias, though, since I'm certain they will support that monitor's physical screen rotation feature.

    Uh, you'll probably have to go pretty high end if you want decent 3D framerates at 1920x1200 with anti aliasing and stuff. But if you're looking for that, you pretty much have to set your price point ($100? $200? $300?) and go see what http://anandtech.com/ or http://tomshardware.com/ has to recommend.

  17. Re:What I need to know is... by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I went through the trouble of logging in so I could give advice. I read about Linux graphics all day, and I can tell you which card has the best open driver: the ATI 9250.

    Nothing else is close. Its the most powerful card on the market with open specs!

  18. Some actual reviews of a wide range of cards by D.+Book · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here are a couple of actual "reviews" comparing a broad sweep of video cards:

    Digit-Life's 3Digest

    Tom's Hardware's VGA Charts

    Anyone know of any others? One of the big problems in the hardware review site industry is that they all review the same stuff and duplicate one another's work 100 times over (for various reasons which I won't go into), while you'd be hard pressed to find a single review of many low-mid range cards. Even if the purpose of such reviews would simply be to inform people about how poorly they perform, it's a major oversight. There is still a heavy bias toward high-end stuff in the above linked reviews, but at least there are a few low-end and mid-range cards chucked in.

    P.S. Another pity is slashdot's poor editorial standards, accepting the description of the linked article as a "review" being the latest example. I guess I could just stop visiting, but then I'd miss out on all the insightful comments from visitors who actually do produce some worthwhile content. So I just block the ads, so as not to reward the editors' laziness.

  19. AGP vs PCI by HalWasRight · · Score: 2, Informative
    I have a hunch that AGP would show barely an improvement over PCI in a typical system (where the PCI bus is mostly idle), and PCI-E would only show improvement in a dual-card config.

    There are a couple things you may not have considered with your hunch. First, if you are doing 3D textured graphics, then transfer speed to texture and vertex memory is key to performance, and PCI is many times slower than AGP. 10x is not "barely an improvement" in the real-time 3d graphics world. Secondly, there typically isn't just one bus in a system, and that PCI bus is typically on the other side of more than one bridge relative to the CPU, where AGP is typically only one bridge away.

    Finally I just don't understand the obsessiveness of your argument. Who cares about PCI? Do you think it costs that much more to manufacture an AGP card? The $$$ are in the GPU and memory, not in the bus interface. A PCI card wouldn't save you $$$ other than being not in demand and therefore cheaper because no one wants them. Are there really mainstream motherboards with no AGP slots? Haven't seen one in years.

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