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Firefox Gets File Sharing Extension

Jonnty writes "Firefox finally has a good P2P extension.. "[It] incorporates peer-to-peer capabilities into the browser via a sidebar. AllPeers "combines the strength of Firefox and the efficiency of BitTorrent" to add media sharing to the long list of available extensions." "

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  1. The Amenities! by InstinctVsLogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now you can view porn and download hentei at the same time!

    1. Re:The Amenities! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's spelled hentai, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:The Amenities! by CableModemSniper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its like watching cartoons or reading comic books. If any other nation in the world makes it, its a cartoon or a comic book. As soon as it comes from Japan though, it magically becomes high art and is called anime or manga. Same thing for erotic cartoons/comics. If it comes from japan (preferably with tentacles) its magically "hentai" instead of porn. This applies to fans of cartoons as well. If you like cartoons, well then you like cartoons. OTOH if you like cartoons from Japan then you are an Otaku or something. Its not like we go around calling french movies "le films", but apparently stuff from Japan is so freaking cool we have to translate animation or cartoon to "anime".

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    3. Re:The Amenities! by nappingcracker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now you can view porn and download hentei at the same time!

      N-now? Really? Awll-riiight giggidygiggidy!

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    4. Re:The Amenities! by adam.skinner · · Score: 4, Funny

      I keep on wishing this would happen, but the French continue to confound me.

    5. Re:The Amenities! by calyphus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Its not like we go around calling french movies "le films"
      Some do refer to French movies as French Cinema, but that is. When it's convenient or more informative a name will be coined, such as "Spaghetti Western" (an undeservidely derisive moniker); and there's Bollywood.

      Anime is a genre, just as film noire is; each an adjective expanding the precision of English.

      Anime = 3 sylables, Japanese Animation = 7 syllables: a greater than 50% increase in verbage to string it out. Some would have it be Japanime, but most who do know the word will know what one means by Anime. It adds to the utility of the language.

      If you really want to rail against a coined word, go after methodology(ies) whenever used to mean method(s). It's the best example of incorrectly inflating a word purely for pretention. Methodology should only mean the study of methods.

      ... but I digress. Anime is useful. Either switch to latin or French, if you don't want to expand your vocabulary.

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    6. Re:The Amenities! by mildgift · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the early 90s, some companies in Japan wanted it renamed to "Japanimation" to emphasize the national origins of anime. They failed (partly because it makes you say "jap", but mainly) because the fanboys prefered the shorter "anime", because it was the "real" term, and it signified transcultural reinterpretation ( disney style animation -> anime (japanese) -> anime (english)) and also happened to be nation-neutral. There's international anime today, and the aesthetic is international, so, the fanboys chose the best usage.

  2. The future of data sharing? by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is interesting but I don't think that BitTorrent-style is the right way to go about it. The browser will definitely be the new "feel the pulse of society" provision, but what is going to be the best way to get that feel?

    There are other protocols that, in my opinion, are better that BT. I've seen a few that use other (third party) users to mask both the sender and receiver from one-another. I believe this is going to be important especially when it comes to government regulation and censorship. I'm anti-copyright, so I couldn't care less about who owns what.

    I believe the next step beyond the protocol will be the need to find a way to properly packet-ize information better. I guess ZIP or RAR is fine, but it isn't enough. A sender of any media (website, file, e-mail, etc) would need to implement the data into a packet and set that packet as public or private. Public packets could be dropped into the "Sharing" folder, which replaces the temporary internet files folder completely. Users would instantly share the webpage packets, the image packets and even the music or programs they download.

    Popular files would be much easier to get, and the shortcomings of BitTorrent in terms of censorship would be greatly reduced. I could even see a future where we could do away with DNS in the long term as we could access webpages or other information through this network of shared temporary file folders. No need to host your own information on a server, just drop it into your share/temp folder and let others find it via whatever search engine or "torrent host" they use.

    1. Re:The future of data sharing? by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are other protocols that, in my opinion, are better that BT. I've seen a few that use other (third party) users to mask both the sender and receiver from one-another. I believe this is going to be important especially when it comes to government regulation and censorship. I'm anti-copyright, so I couldn't care less about who owns what.

      Awesome, write the plugin and get into the browser. Perhaps if everyone has easy access to it (like they now will w/BT built in) then they will start to use it. The reason that HTTP and FTP are so popular is because support for those protocols were built into the browsers and you didn't need to have an external application fielding the transmissions.

      If Foo P2P protocol is made available to everyone easily via IE and Firefox then they will pick it up quickly.

    2. Re:The future of data sharing? by __aaxwdb6741 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Whoa, that is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard of.

      There are other protocols that, in my opinion, are better that BT. I've seen a few that use other (third party) users to mask both the sender and receiver from one-another. I believe this is going to be important especially when it comes to government regulation and censorship. I'm anti-copyright, so I couldn't care less about who owns what.

      These protocols need one or more centralized server(s) to function properly.

      I could even see a future where we could do away with DNS in the long term as we could access webpages or other information through this network of shared temporary file folders.

      Another idiotic idea. Why the hell would I want to spend my time LOOKING for the website I want, instead of just plain visiting it? Yes, this WOULD require me to look for the website. Also, security (Login information, et cetera) is practically impossible in such situations.

      What you're basically saying, is that we should all go back to sharing plain-text ASCII, but in a new way.
      I say NO THANK YOU, please leave the internet as it is already.
    3. Re:The future of data sharing? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      These protocols need one or more centralized server(s) to function properly.

      That isn't true at all. P2P is finding ways to de-centralize more and more every day.

      The idea of a third party intermediary is not unheard of -- in fact, there are numerous BitTorrent replacement protocols being developed right now that take advantage of another user on a network to mask the sender and receiver from one-another. You can go out and get the latest "pirate" MP3, but you have no idea who you're getting it from and they have no idea who they're sending it to. I find that this is a better way to keep over-regulation of the Internet down, and uphold the right to free expression.

      Another idiotic idea. Why the hell would I want to spend my time LOOKING for the website I want, instead of just plain visiting it? Yes, this WOULD require me to look for the website. Also, security (Login information, et cetera) is practically impossible in such situations.

      I'm an anarchocapitalist, and I hate knowing that DNS will likely be the control system our governments user to censor the information out there. I'm constantly trying to find theories in how we could use the Internet without central regulation (such as DNS), and I feel that networks are becoming more and more transparent to domain names as time goes on. Yes, google and other search engines rely on domain names but this is merely to keep things simple. Over time I believe we'll see search engines develop that completely ignore domain names -- although how we'd link to one another is another problem, but that is being worked on as well.

    4. Re:The future of data sharing? by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since you've never lived in a society without copyright, how are you so sure you're going to enjoy it?

      I look at the fact that I've earned a VERY good living the past 18 years by providing all my "creative" productions for free, and have never asked anyone to give me a dime or even give me recognition. My company wrote a very popular (in our market area) POP3/SMTP server over a decade ago that we gave away freely, and it made us a ton of cash in service. I write a few newsletters that I freely mail out (costing me thousands annually) that makes me decent money on speaking engagements. I've written 2 books that I've handed out person to person that nets me about $20 per reader (I request the money at the end of the book and I've received more than I've paid to get the books out). I've produced a few indie bands that have made more money giving away their music and not binding the listeners to copyright -- they make their money producing live music for their fans.

      I see no need for copyright, and I've made good money without it. The only people I see making money WITH copyright are the publishing cartels, never the artists (except in extremely rare cases).

      If you're a publisher, artist, musician or writer, don't look at copyright to make you rich. Hard work and getting out to see your fans makes you wealthier than protecting you work from unlimited copying.

    5. Re:The future of data sharing? by frdmfghtr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm anti-copyright, so I couldn't care less about who owns what.


      I find this position slightly disturbing. Well, more than slightly.

      Has copyright law gotten out of hand? When work is copyrighted for the life of the creator plus 75 years, that is excessive. When copyrights keep getting extended and extended to protect works owned by companies, that is excessive.

      However, the basic premise behind copyright is sound. If you write a book or compose a symphony, you SHOULD have the exclusive copyright on that work. It's your creation to do with as you see fit, whether it's put it in the public domain right away, lock it in a drawer, perform it in public for a fee, publish it, etc. It is completely up to the copyright holder to decide what happens to the work.

      Your attitude, sir, carries a message of disrespect and contempt for copyright holders. Basically you're saying "F*** you and your rights, I'm going to take your creative work and do with it what I damn well please." Fair Use rights, you say? Why should I as a content provider respect your Fair Use rights if you don't respect my copyrights?

      While I have no solid facts to back it, my gut tells me that if the content providers' copyrights were respected, then DRM wouldn't come around. DRM R&D costs time and money, and if copyright was on the whole respected, then the costs would outweight the revenues thet it would protect, and as everybody knows, a business won't do something if it doesn't bring a profit.

      However, as long as there are enough visible attitudes like yours, DRM development will continue at the expense of Fair Use.

      (and yes, I live in a Utopian world where political correctness and DRM isn't needed because people just "get along.")

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    6. Re:The future of data sharing? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 4, Insightful
      However, the basic premise behind copyright is sound. If you write a book or compose a symphony, you SHOULD have the exclusive copyright on that work...It is completely up to the copyright holder to decide what happens to the work.

      Hmm. So if you memorize one of my poems and want to recite it to a friend, I should have the right to use force to stop you? "Shut up or I'll shoot!"

      No.

      Ideas are not property. If you recite my poem, you take nothing away from me. My poem is not "mine" in the same sense that my guitar is "mine"; it more "mine" in the sense of "that's my girlfriend" or "that's my father". To say "the poem is mine" expresses relationship, not ownership. Any artist knows that the work "comes from, but mostly through".

      My ethical rights as a creator are to have that relationship recognized, and to get my cut of any money that someone makes with that work. I think the way songwriter royalties currently work is the closest thing to a a workable "rights" system: you can play my songs all you want, but if you cover them on a CD, or play them and get paid, you owe me a royalty.

      Why should I as a content provider respect your Fair Use rights if you don't respect my copyrights?

      A copyright is an artificial legal creation. A "fair use right" is not a right unto itself, but a limitation on those artificial legal creation - these "fair use rights" (and many more) would exist if all copyright laws were repealed.

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    7. Re:The future of data sharing? by wheany · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm an anarchocapitalist

      Well I'm even more whacked out than you. I'm a chaoscapitalist. Markets should be totally random.

    8. Re:The future of data sharing? by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Should implies a moral position. I completely disagree with your position. I think the world would be far better off if instead as soon as you released a work into the world, it became the property of the world to do with what it pleases. Create a derivative work. Share it with a friend. Shout it from the rooftops. The only copyright I think would be of real value would be to require fair attribution, so that we can reward those who are creative as we see fit (rather than as they think they deserve or can extort).

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  3. Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now Firefox can be sued by the RIAA! Seriously, won't this draw unneeded criticism of Firefox while it is still establishing its place in the browser market?

    1. Re:Brilliant! by danpsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How come everyone automatically leaps at the pirating side of Bittorrent? Bittorrent is quite an idea, using distributed bunches of bandwidth to serve a file instead of a server needing a lot of bandwidth.

      There are a lot of legitimate uses for this technology, such as, Linux distribution. I've noticed it used a lot in this vein, and it takes a lot of pressure off web servers, especially in the OSS market where profits are slim-to-none for the server itself.

      I understand that Bittorrent is usually used for piracy, but that doesn't mean that's all the protocol does or is good for. Besides that point, Firefox can't be sued for simply allowing extensions to be written for it. Technically it's open source so anybody can write any extension they want, but that is the responsibility of the developer, not the responsibility of Mozilla. What you are saying is roughly equivalent to suing Microsoft for allowing the development of P2P apps on their platform.

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  4. avoid slashdot effect? by zapp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could this be expanded to create a mini-bittorrent type network where if the browser can't contact the server, it checks its peers to see if a cached copy exists, and download it from them?

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    1. Re:avoid slashdot effect? by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny


      That's a great idea. That way, when I log on to my bank's website and find my balance near zero, it can search other browsers for a version of the page with money. Let the wealth be distributed! Power to the people!

    2. Re:avoid slashdot effect? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would it be easier to check and see if there was a Coral Cache'd version and then serve that up instead? Why build a new network (which using BT for would be silly as small-sized content over BT is ridiculous) when you could just utilize something that already exists?

      Because Coral Cache is an anonymous proxy, and a lot of corporate (and governmental) firewalls block anonymous proxies. Plus, if certain legislative bodies get what they want, you'll find ISPs being forced to block anonymous proxies as well.

  5. Free? by timrichardson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They call it free software but I suspect they mean "free beer". It sounds like nothing more than another bittorrent client.

  6. really? by ccozan · · Score: 5, Funny

    before you made this comment, what shape had the glass?

  7. Maybe Possibly by kernelpanicked · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since the allpeers site is just a bunch of pictures and promises, with no actual extension available, shouldn't the title be "Firefox MIGHT get file sharing extension"?

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  8. Nice Pre-Release PR by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • It isn't even released yet. All there is are some easily dummied up screenshots.
    • It's basically BitTorrent in a sidebar. Why is this impressive, again? My browsing and file-sharing are completely separate tasks, and the integration is as logical as putting file system defragmenting in a sidebar.


    Color me cynical, and unimpressed.
    1. Re:Nice Pre-Release PR by 1000StonedMonkeys · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this impressive, again? My browsing and file-sharing are completely separate tasks, and the integration is as logical as putting file system defragmenting in a sidebar.

      This would be a good analogy if the only way you could defragment your hard drive was by clicking on links in firefox. When I click on an ftp link in firefox, firefox doesn't launch my ftp client. Why should clicking a torrent link be any different? To the average user, they're both just download links.

    2. Re:Nice Pre-Release PR by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Funny

      Color me cynical, and unimpressed.

      The closest my box of crayons has is periwinkle and forest green. Will those do?

  9. Coral Cache Link by FST · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the allpeers site is getting bombed, here is the coral cache link: http://www.allpeers.com.nyud.net:8090/index_f.htm

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  10. Yuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why would I run code written by morons that can't even get a webpage right? Here is a version of their index that works without javascript, not exactly rocket science is it?

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transition al.dtd">

    <html>
    <head><title>AllPeers browser detection</title></head>
    <body>
    <script>
    if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Firefox") != -1)
    {
          window.location = "index_f.htm";
    }
    else
    {
          window.location = "index_nf.htm";
    }
    </script>
    <noscript>
    Firefox users, please <a href="/index_f.htm">click here.</a>
    Users of other web browsers, please <a href="/index_nf.htm">click here.</a>
    </noscript>
    </body>
    </html>

  11. Incredible! by breckinshire · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can get sued by the RIAA AND use Firefox! Take that, Microsoft!

  12. Implication by Omnieiunium · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, this might not be such a bad idea and it sort of makes sense. For webpages that heavily depend upon video or audio, this would work perfectly if implemented well. It makes sense that if you downloaded the file and played it in a built-in player in Firefox or other. I can also see it saving a lot of bandwidth for sites. It also saves the need of having to get another client, like Azureus, and downloading the .torrent file and all that extra stuff to download something, while having it just download in Firefox. This may be a new interesting to way spread content, so I think it should be watched closely.

  13. Not available yet by Swamii · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the now-swamped allpeers.com site,

    "Coming soon!"


    So, Slashdot is reposting a short articled posted by an small tech news outlet about a non-existant plug-in for Firefox. Brilliant.

    This is why I come to Slashdot every day, folks. These are the big stories no one else has. All presented in a way that's both fair & balanced, giving clear, concise, accurate headlines. No prejudiced opinion pieces. Just pure, unadulterated tech news bliss, straight from the Cowboy's mouth!
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  14. what's in a name by leomekenkamp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looking at the url for that message we can see what will probably bee shared the most: www.webpronews.com

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  15. Coral Cache works by PapaZit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's the Coral Cache of the AllPeers web site since the original seems to be a smoking hole in the ground.

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  16. What? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Funny

    Firefox and Bittorrent teaming up? That might produce a black hole of memory suck that would tear a hole in the fabric of the universe and destroy the space-time continuum!

  17. Re:My perhaps stupid question... by mogwai7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since it is a plugin and not a part of Firefox, no. This is one of the best advantages of a plugin architecture. You can allow controversial functionality, like adblock, to be added and avoid consequences. They may go after the plugin writers, but so what? Even if they stop them, 10 more would probably be released, especially if the original implementation is open source.

  18. What anime is. by hackwrench · · Score: 4, Informative

    I usually use anime to denote certain qualities.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

    covers the topic nicely

  19. TFA dot zip by Doomedsnowball · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uh... could someone download and share the article via another P2P system? I'm having trouble downloading the new extention due to the Slashdot effect. Thanks.

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  20. MozTorrent by nurmr · · Score: 5, Informative

    For something that is already in development, check out http://moztorrent.mozdev.org/screenshots.html

  21. Damnit by Bert+Peers · · Score: 3, Funny

    What a stupid name. Can't they call it AllPerens instead ? :\