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Trojan Horse targets Google Adsense

dorkygeek writes "The Register reports that nogoodniks have developed a Trojan horse program that produces fake Google ads posing as the real thing. The as-yet unnamed Trojan replaces legitimate ads served via Google AdSense with promos for penis pills, porn sites and the like. Techshout says the Google AdSense team confirms 'that these are fake Google ads, formatted to look like legitimate ads. We agree that this phenomenon is likely the result of malicious software installed on your computer.'"

84 comments

  1. Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by technoextreme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you visit a lot of porn sites. How can you tell if those pennis pills and porn sites are the real ads or just a virus?

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    1. Re:Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by desisnicker · · Score: 0

      Man if you then Google is going to more money than before!

    2. Re:Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by anti-trojan · · Score: 1

      It is a trick to escape Slashdot's spam filter.

    3. Re:Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by boingo82 · · Score: 1

      That's easy. AdSense has a strict policy against the use of their ads on porn sites. They have a review period of up to 3 days before they will allow their advertising on your site. You have to pass a review by an actual person before they start handing over the cash. By the same token, I am pretty sure they do not accept AdSense ads for those types of products / services.

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    4. Re:Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by JustADude · · Score: 1

      I'd pay a nickel to see what the rackets are like!

    5. Re:Hard to tell if you have the virus if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A co-worker of mine claimed to have found this roughly a month ago but said that it was a real google ad. I figured he was just nuts as this is the same guy that loves internet explorer and IIS. I sure got a kick out of when he went overseas for a few months and came back to his home webserver machine hacked and loaded with viruses and such. Yes, he still loves IIS.

      But in light of this maybe he wasn't completely crazy.

  2. Re:My complaint against Slashdot by fleaboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the words of a good friend of mine, "If you spot it you got it." Have a happy new year!

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  3. I'm glad by cyberworm · · Score: 1

    I'm glad it's "your" computer instead of infected machines. I was worried for a moment.

  4. Marketing campaign? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps Google just wants more premium subscribers. From the detailed article:
    The Adsense Trojan Horse attacks small publishers. The premium publishers and ads displayed by Google's websites are apparently unaffected.

    1. Re:Marketing campaign? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google sets much higher restrictions on who they allow to become a premium publisher, such as a bare minimum of 10 million page views/month.

      Google also gives many more options to their premium publishers, so most "regular" Adsense publishers would love to become one.

      Thus, there is no incentive for Google to create a Trojan Horse because they want "more premium subscribers".

      But the Adsense code is highly restricted for regular publishers, meaning you aren't allowed to change it from Google's provided format. Premium publishers have additional variable options and changes to the code that regular publishers don't.

      Hence why the Trojan would be able to easily find regular Adsense code in a page, but may not identify a premium publisher's Adsense code as easily in order to replace it with a same-sized ad, for example.

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    2. Re:Marketing campaign? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      From TFA
      ...The program is engineered to produce fake Google ads that are formatted to look like legitimate ones. The ads are incorporated in Google AdSense, the program that lets website owners display ads from Google's list of advertisers. The Trojan Horse apparently downloads itself onto an unsuspecting computer through a web page and then replaces the original ads with its own set of malicious ads.

      ...

      It has been further noticed that the Google AdLink Ads remain unaffected. The Adsense Trojan Horse attacks small publishers. The premium publishers and ads displayed by Google's websites are apparently unaffected.

      ...

      With the speed and promptness with which Google is working at this hour to fix up the vulnerability, Bangera says that he is absolutely confident that within no time the problem would be resolved.

      It might just be that I'm tired, but the article seems a bit difficult to parse.

      The best I can guess (from the last paragraph) is that affected [Adsense] ads are displayed differently from Adlink, etc & that Google can whip up some techno-wizardry to nullify the trojan's ability to interact with Ads by goooooooooogle.

      Still, that middle paragraph has me wondering how right/wrong my guess is.
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    3. Re:Marketing campaign? by michaelhood · · Score: 1

      Traditional adsense is served up via a javascript call, while premium are xml feeds parsed and rendered into html results serverside.

  5. Well then, may I be the first to say... by cshank4 · · Score: 0

    ...LOL! Internet.

  6. In other words... by Evro · · Score: 0, Troll

    ... spyware/adware does bad things to your PC. /yawn

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    1. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're such a troll Evan!!! How dare you make light of this, the most serious of malware.

      I MEAN IT AFFECTS GOOGLE ADWORDS!!! THE NERVE OF IT

      Anyways, dont worry I got modded down too, here

      -Tezkah

    2. Re:In other words... by Evro · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Slashdot is gay.

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  7. How long... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

    My question is, how long did it take before anyone noticed? "Hey! These adds are more relevant than usual!"

  8. Spyware by certel · · Score: 1

    This better not reduce my click through rates on my ads. I'll be pissed!

  9. Does this mean? by Wallstreetfighter.co · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not going to get the penis pump I ordered from the ad? I guess I am worried about the wrong virus.

  10. no surprise, Windows problem, again, by rheotaxis · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Techshout article fails to mention that this appears to affect Windows users only. The Register calls it the "latest Windows malware threat", while one comment on Techshout confirms it. I suspect, without further details, that the Trojan Horse affects IE somehow. Anyone else have links to more technical details?

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    1. Re: no surprise, Windows problem, again, by rheotaxis · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re: no surprise, Windows problem, again, by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Details seem to be somewhat limited, but you are right. This seems to be malware that modifies the content IE presents. This is similiar to malware that goes through the pages you visit and looks for keywords such as "games" and automatically links them to whatever gambling site. These are difficult/impossible for website presenters to stop because the problem is with the infected machine, not the originating website.

      It's somewhat refreshing that google seems to just fix problems instead of accepting any sort of blame. It's also sad to see that many google-haters take this as an acceptance of blame.

      I'm a programmer, and I have to say, I probably would have just said "tough". I used to try and help the users of my sites with malware, but it just became a pointless battle. They didn't care and seem to put forth any effort. At one point I even forced them to do get scanned (forced is harsh. Automatically redirected to a anti-spyware online scan is better. They could close out the window at any time). I ended up supporting end users asking how to get the spyware off their computer and ended up taking blame for their spyware.

      And sadly, I feel like a slashbot saying the same statements as 5 years ago, however... If users would get pissed and proactive at Microsoft instead of everyone but them, maybe something would happen. But so many people are complacent and keep buying their garbage and accept this bullshit as normal. Nothing will ever happen as long as the majority of users don't care. That is, until their credit card gets stolen. Then they get pissed at their bank.

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    3. Re: no surprise, Windows problem, again, by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      I suspect, without further details, that the Trojan Horse affects IE somehow.

      Automatically, I did that as well. Is that the case though? There seems to be little in the way of technical information on this - does it act as a proxy that is installed via the "internet options" control panel, a browser "helper" object or what?

      I suspect that Google will simply change the format of the Adsense ads, perhaps breaking current adblocking software, as well as the trojan.

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  11. Heh... by Alpha_Traveller · · Score: 1

    But if you had a Macintosh... Nevermind.

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    1. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a serious comment, i am only doing this as an AC to avoid being modded +5 funny, -7 flamebait. Why do people on slashdot not mind macs, and yet act like microsoft is the devil (which it, obviously is). Apple's Macintosh is not only just as a proprietary piece of crap as Windows, but it also forces you to purchase their HARDWARE if you want to use it the "legit" way (though this may change with mactels, they have been operating this way for years). In my opinion, each of the two companies is, after all considerations THE WORST FUCKING THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO COMPUTING.

  12. As described in TFA by Escogido · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Most of the ads were about gambling or adult content, which are banned categories in Google AdSense, clearly indicating a suspicious origin." It looks like it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure things out...

  13. What's the difference? by drsquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An advert is an advert, I block them all. I doesn't matter whether it's linking to some porn site or to some site selling digital cameras, it's all bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

    Why does it matter to the user whether it's a 'legitimate' Google advert or not?

    1. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since a lot of website owners invest a significant amount of money and time into their sites, is it not reasonable for them to try and make some money back? If you expect to view their content for free, and block adverts in the process, you may find the content eventually dries up. Anyway, compared to some of the ridiculous flash adverts out there, google ads are a model of discretion.

    2. Re:What's the difference? by gasjews · · Score: 1

      I am not interested in any of the products being sold by an advertisement. This is no different than fast forwarding thru the commercial pause on my VHS tape recordings.

    3. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      So ... let me get this straight. You put your content in a public forum. I am expected to download, read and possibly click on your ads because I happen on your page via a public service like a search engine? I don't understand where one feels entitled to throw ads at me when I didn't ask for them. If you don't want me reading your site, force me to register and agree to look at ads in exchange for access, or just charge me for access. There is no agreement so why am I obligated to do anything to access your freely, publicly accessible site?

    4. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because some of us do not block some ads like Google's, because they are mostly text and very relevant. I never clicked on a flashing banner ad, but routinely clicking Google ads because I am interested.

    5. Re:What's the difference? by Dollar+Sign+TA · · Score: 1

      A website costs its owners money, and you're using it for free. What makes you entitled to complain about how they try to recoop that money? There is an explicit agreement here: "You can get this content for free, but we're going put up ads so we don't lose money. Take or leave it." You have no right to complain as long as you're accessing the site for free. Now, if you pay for access... that's a different story. Personally, I would much rather deal with the existence of ads than have to register to look at a site. Google ads are tasteful and don't bother me. Many times, they're actually quite relevant and I do click on them.

    6. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I realize a web site costs money. However, there is an implicit agreement when one puts their content in a public forum that it is freely available for consumption. There is no reasonable expectation that the operator is entitled to compensation. If you want an explicit agreement, there needs to be some form of communication between both parties on the terms of the agreement.

    7. Re:What's the difference? by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We really need a downmod for parochial posts that say things like "This doesn't affect me, so nobody should care" and "X works for me, if it doesn't work for you then stupid".

      Anyway, your attitude towards advertising is brainless. Lots of media — newspapers, magazines, TV — have always depended on it. It can be obnoxious, but it isn't the great evil that so many economically illiterate netizens think it is.

      And if you actually buy stuff, which some of us overprivileged types have been known to do from time to time, advertising can be something you seek out. Recently I decided to buy a USB hard disk. I Googled those words because I wanted to see the Adsense ads. Does that make me a mindless slave of the advertisers? No, it makes me somebody who needed information, and used the most efficient way to get it.

    8. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking from the end-user perspective, there's little difference if you block them all.

      However, for users with ads enabled it risks a poorer user experience. Targeted advertisements would logically be preferable to untargeted ones, and there are certain minimum editorial guidelines that Google sets out for advertisers on adsense (e.g. no superlatives, no fake prices, no popups on landing pages). Worse if a few more risks are taken: What if the fake Google ads also load javascript to open popups? The user faces a real annoyance, and if they know well enough that Google ads don't open popups, may blame the actual site they're visiting. Or if they start posing as image ads: Doesn't take much imagine to conceive of what imagery they might use for penis pills.

      Of course, advertisers using this scheme are likely the same pushing pills and patches via email as well. That is, inherently disreputable.

    9. Re:What's the difference? by lancejjj · · Score: 1

      That was the best post I read all week. Mod up the parent: Insightful.

    10. Re:What's the difference? by Screaming+Harlot · · Score: 1

      www.froogle.com

    11. Re:What's the difference? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Worthless. Easily spammed by flaky people selling crap.

    12. Re:What's the difference? by Halvy · · Score: 0

      I wanted to see the Adsense ads. Does that make me a mindless slave of the advertisers?

      Excuse me Mr. 'InSiteful', it does make you a mindless slave.

      People are tired of advertisers creating ads that render your mouse useless (unless you take an 'extra' action to move off the add).

      This has been occuring MORE & MORE with Flash, Ajax and other assorted 'new fangled' Css web page technologies lately.

      And YOU are contributing to these criminal actions by the advertisers (ie. not just the 'illegal' spammers this thread/article is talking about).

      A few hefty lawsuits or 'terrorist' attacks (not that I'd wish that.. ;) on these companies/people doing this, and you'll see things change over nite.

      If Google and the current creeps that run the main ISP backbones can't reslove these problems, then they need to be removed and punished for contributing to these crimes (ie. steeling our bandwidth, false advertisement, rico act, etc.)

      We are paying and want INTERNET service, not ADS!!

      If is 'ok' with you, I'd either like to see the original intent of the Net realized, before we fall into the black hole that other 'pay' services like cable and satellite are moving to, where you just can't escape the constant bombardment (no matter how much you 'PAY') of ads that hardly anyone (but you) might be interested in.

      If you want to buy something, go buy it, but stop costing EVERYONE else time, money, and most importantly our NERVES, for 'your' convience.

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    13. Re:What's the difference? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Um, as far as I'm aware these trojan-inspired ads aren't flash adverts, they're no different to the normal Google ads, so what's the difference?

    14. Re:What's the difference? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Your previous post made it sound as if you had found a way to block Google ads. In between telling us how much your life sucks, you need to work on expressing yourself clearly.

    15. Re:What's the difference? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I have found a way to block Google ads.

    16. Re:What's the difference? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Then your previous post makes no sense.

  14. Only idiots allow don't block google ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google got enough money from shit, kill the ads live a more happy life.

  15. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? Macs are immune to the viruses and adware, spyware, trojans, etc, etc, etc, etc, that plague PCs?

    Why in heavens would anyone use a PC then? Must be one of those masochistic geek things.

  16. A simple HOSTS modification could allow this by gozar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you modify the users HOSTS file to point pagead2.googlesyndication.com to a different machine you can serve your own Google ads. Pretty clever, I'm surprised this hasn't happen before. I don't know how Google could stop this.

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    1. Re:A simple HOSTS modification could allow this by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      If you modify the users HOSTS file to point pagead2.googlesyndication.com to a different machine you can serve your own Google ads. Pretty clever

      Not really. You could serve your own google ads to yourself. Big deal.

    2. Re:A simple HOSTS modification could allow this by Steven.Brady · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>If you modify the users HOSTS file to point pagead2.googlesyndication.com to a different machine you can serve your own Google ads. Pretty clever

      >Not really. You could serve your own google ads to yourself. Big deal.


      You wouldn't eant to do that to yourself, but if you could do that to 500,000 other peoples' machines, then you can make them see the ads that you want them to see. Add an understanding of the AdSense API, and theoretically you could even target the ads, although I don't use AdSense, so I don't know.

      Although, I'm not sure how well it would work. The SOP of most current virus scanners and Microsoft's AntiSpyware is to check for unauthorized changes to the HOSTS file.

    3. Re:A simple HOSTS modification could allow this by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      I don't know how Google could stop this.

      By making their software check the host file every time it loads?

    4. Re:A simple HOSTS modification could allow this by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      randomize pagead1-(a big number).googlesyndication.com spyware could still fuck that, but not with the hosts file.

  17. A word of advice by Neoncow · · Score: 4, Funny
    Google spokesblog advises users of The Internet to pay close attention to the Google ads. If you spot the obvious defacement, you are advised to Google your nearest Google representative and Gmail them about the issue. Remember only, attentive Google users will be able to prevent the spread of this virus.

    Google.

  18. Re:My complaint against Slashdot by Millenniumman · · Score: 2, Informative

    That post was made using a complaint generator.

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  19. Trojans in ads? by MuckSavage · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's a good thing I never click on any ads then.

  20. I have seen something like this before by Chronos56 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A couple of years ago I was asked to look at a heavily infected machine. One unusual spyware program that was on this PC would intercept Google search requests and respond with several pages of ad based related hits that looked just like valid Google pages. I never did figure out what the underlying piece of spyware was causing it but was eventually successful removing it with Hijack This.

  21. Bad Marketing. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Perhaps Google just wants more premium subscribers

    That kind of trick only works to force upgrades of monopoly business. Even then, it's questionable how many times you can do it. A bad reputation will eventually kill your business. Google is not so stupid.

    All this will do for Google is tar their reputation as the clueless click through to porn and think Google sent it to them. Google's good reputation is what makes the trick work in the first place.

    In the end, blame will go where blame belongs. It's more likely that this is just another crappy ad server from the usual suspects that replaces real ads with spam. You won't see it on other operating systems. Such replacements and poor performance are already well known to anyone who's used M$ for more than a year. The word gets out and blame goes where it should.

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  22. You should have a look. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative
    An advert is an advert, I block them all. I doesn't matter whether it's linking to some porn site or to some site selling digital cameras, it's all bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

    Some quick differences between a Google and Porn Ad:

    1. See the image in the linked article and compare that to carefully selected text from google.
    2. Spam adverts fund spam and yet more trojans, Google ads fund content on small websites.
    3. Following a spam link will almost certainly lead you to a malicious web site that will install yet more crap on your wimpy Windoze computer, speeding it's demise.

    Those are a few of the differences.

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    1. Re:You should have a look. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      1. They don't look any different to me. Both are irrelevent text I'm not going to look at or click on anyway.
      2. Google ads fund the bank accounts of Google's already rich hangers-on and shareholders, at least the trojans are innovative.
      3. Read my original post: I don't click on any links, why do I care whether it's a Google one or a trojan one? and I don't use Windows anyway.

  23. A reminder by Randall311 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Don't visit untrusted pr0n sites on a Windows machine. Make a Linux partition for such things.

  24. More Likely Conspiracy by twitter · · Score: 1, Troll
    If you wanted to blame someone other than spammers, try Microsoft. They have the history, motive, means and opportunity.

    History. Can you find a dirtier bunch outside jail? Start with an OS made by people who consider your desktop something they can use to sell advertising space to the highest bidder. Couple that with M$'s notorious efforts to discredit previous competitors and penchant for lying about it with very expensive PR campaigns. From bogus error messages for competitor's programs to fake letters to lawmakers, M$ has done it all. There's no technically competent person who would put any dirty trick beyond M$.

    Motive. They hate Google. Google is a double competitive threat to them. Google has, for a long time, been a better technical resource than Microsoft's or anyone else's manuals and resource pages. The is especially true for free software issues. Now they Google is moving into territory M$ thinks they own. The hatred is personal, with people like Steve Balmer throwing chairs and Bill Gates saying sour things when asked questions. It's weird but that's how control freaks act. This little trojan attacks Google's credibility and strikes at one of their funding mechanism.

    Means. M$ has money and knowledge.

    Opportunity. M$ has extensive computer networks. They can make these things themselves or pay other to do so anytime.

    Now nuts. It's much easier to think that this is yet another spamming tool that seeks the weakest and most widely dispersed target, M$'s crappy OS. Yet successful another high profile attack is not what M$ wants. Nor can they really want to destroy the world of online advertising. M$ wants to sell server software themselves.

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    1. Re:More Likely Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, put on your tin-foil head.

      I dont want YOUR brain waves getting out!

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    Brokeback Kong does not approve.

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  27. Missing The Beauty by burntash · · Score: 1

    You're all missing the beauty of porn spam. They say "Hey there burntash, here is some porn might have otherwise missed out on." To which I say, "Why thank you for your consideration of my libidinous pursuits. I will gladly partake of your tasty porn." It's a very symbiotic relationship. (inktank)

  28. I submitted this story on Thursday... by atanas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and it was rejected. Is it more relevant today?

  29. Re:My complaint against Slashdot by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

    And yet it's indistinguishable from most real complaints against Slashdot.

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  30. Re:My complaint against Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, I love that thing... Even more fun when you add stuff like "I can't believe you read this fake gibberish filled complaint this far" into it. You can even stretch the believability by removing or replacing stuff like "letter" with "post", and at random points adding more relevant info....

    Hummm...This reminds me of a theory I need to test out here sometime....

  31. Mac vs Microsoft by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a fair question, and I'll try and give you a fair answer.

    The problem with Windows is that it took over the business world and forced a lot of us to work with it. We quickly found out that its quality was dreadful, and yet we could not make money with Unix because everyone was running pell-mell towards Windows. Thus, a HUGE amount of resentment towards Windows, because it was lousy, and because people were forcing us to use it.

    Apple, on the other hand, gave us a deal. "Hey guys," Steve said, "What if you could use a platform that has designer beauty, that will run all those cool commercial applications like Photoshop, but that is Unix underneath so you could run all your great free software?"

    Well, at the time he made this offer, computers running Linux either used window managers that took a week to set up, or had fonts that were so ugly they rivaled kindergarden scrawls in legibiilty. And to make matters worse, the developers of KDE and Gnome decided that Windows was the be all and end-all of user interface design and implemented the whole shooting match, from the Start button to the taskbar.

    So we started playing with the MacOS and we realized that this wasn't half bad. In fact, it's pretty darn cool. It's beautfully designed, well-engineered, and we can still play with our favorite command line toys. And hey, we're starting to make a few bucks, we don't need to put together a computer out of random dumpster parts for $2.98 anymore. We can afford a little luxury, and Apple's PowerBooks and PowerMacs are the most luxurious personal computers made, from the quality of their keyboards, to their screens, to their elegant metal finishes.

    Is it really that bad to run software controlled by a company? The reality is that it depends on the company. True, Apple equipment's expensive, and operating system and bundled software updates cost money. But Apple has never failed us. Each release brings us wonderful surprises and new fun stuff. The basic OS is solid as a rock, as long as you don't cheap out on your memory.

    To jog your memory, there are a lot of people who used Windows 2000 who loathed XP because of how oddly they switched things around. Apple has never done that. When they make improvements, they make sure they really are improvements. In short, although Apple is not a perfect company, they have shown themselves on the main to be a good, trustworthy partner, making computers that are genuinely beloved by the people who use them.

    In short, the problem of being controlled by a company depends on the company. And so far, Steve Jobs and his team have never failed us in creating cool, fun to use products. I don't think the Linux guys can say the same thing, since what they've done most of the time is to rip off old Windows and X11 interface ideas. Steve's willing to do things that are original, and beautiful, and some of us like both of those things, very much.

    It it nice to be able to play around and tinker with the OS? Only if you have time to burn. Many of us don't anymore, and would rather create something cool ourselves rather than messing around with someone people have already done. And I haven't noticed anything about the MacOS that seems like human waste products. it looks like a beautiful, slick, well-designed system that I genuinely enjoy using.

    In the end, for me, that's what matters, not whether I can fool around with the scheduler to my heart's content.

    Hope that helps.

    D

    1. Re:Mac vs Microsoft by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      And to make matters worse, the developers of KDE and Gnome decided that Windows was the be all and end-all of user interface design and implemented the whole shooting match, from the Start button to the taskbar.

      Please explore those environments a little more: default gnome on powerpc linux distros looks a lot like system 7 and I recall kde on a rocklinux live cd allowing the user to have a mac like setting with one menubar at the top of the screen instead of one in every window.
      I have enough experience of desktops as an user and chose XFCE because it's a no brainer to set up, has the traditional x11 black cursor instead of the less contrasting win like white one, and lets you change the order of the window buttons (old macos did it right, close box on one side, well clear of the other buttons on the other side).


      In short, the problem of being controlled by a company depends on the company. And so far, Steve Jobs and his team have never failed us in creating cool, fun to use products. I don't think the Linux guys can say the same thing, since what they've done most of the time is to rip off old Windows and X11 interface ideas. Steve's willing to do things that are original, and beautiful, and some of us like both of those things, very much.

      Apple is less evil, ok (I am on apple hardware since the //c for a reason, even if i switched) but i heard about the similarities between karelia's watson and apple's sherlock and, if true, this entry about the whole aqua interface.

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    2. Re:Mac vs Microsoft by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      Certainly Gnome and KDE look a great deal better than they did when I first switched to Apple products. But now I'm pretty much entrenched and happy in the Apple environment, and a lot of bad things would have to happen for me to want to change. One thing that really helped me was the use of Emacs-style control characters in text windows. I'm in Safari as I type this and I use Control-N to go to the next line, Control-P for the previous, and so on, without even thinking, and they work. Not so on FireFox.

      As the Apple Turns is a satirical site. I think they were pulling your leg. If you look at the screen shot presented, it seems pretty clear that it's a quick, crude knockoff, probably (as the last paragraph of the Appleturns story suggests) created off copies of Apple's pre-release images.

      I'm too lazy (and busy) to look it up right now, but I seem to remember Konfabulator was a riff on desk accessories, and now Apple has an improved version. It's the normal give and take of commerce, and it helps keep everyone on their toes.

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  32. Left Hand, Right Hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google sure is trying to have the best of both worlds then. A "strict" adsense policy of no ads for porn and gambing? This is splitting some fine red curly ones by St. Google. Anyone can check this out, if you run a google search for porn or gambling (pick your own terms, should be easy enough to figure out), gee, those sure look like paid ads that show up on the right hand navbar. Which is it Mr. Google? And if "righteous" google is so against porn and gambling, why do they even crawl and index the sites in the first place? Sounds more like pompous hypocrisy to me.

  33. Note to self by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

    Remember to make my sarcastic posts more obvious.

  34. Re:My complaint against Slashdot by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

    Well, to be honest, far it's more reasonable and intelligent. Not to mention the fact that it's written in grammatically correct English r4+3|-|r +|-|4n 1337 $|>33(|-|. (The last part was written using a "1337" translator. it can also translate from "1337" to English, useful if you read Slashdot commentary.

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  35. People who want penis enlargements by weierstrass · · Score: 1

    ..only click on ads they think are placed there by reliable, trustable search providers like google.

    after all, would you want some cowboy flybynight popup-advertising malware-spreading criminals enlarging YOUR penis?

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  36. mod parent ^ up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does any one have a sense of humor anymore?