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China Declares War on Internet Pornography

segphault writes "The Chinese government has shut down nearly 600 pornographic web sites, and arrested over 200 people for distributing "obscene" content. The Chinese government has also started performing covert surveillance of mobile phone text messages in order to crack down on banking fraud and prostitution organized and perpetrated with text messages. Ars Technica has the story: 'With more than 100 million Internet users, China has the second largest population of web content consumers after the United States. Although the Chinese government promotes web use for business, education, and government activity, the communist regime has committed its resources to crushing web sites that challenge government authority, or distribute content that the government considers to be detrimental to society'"

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  1. Chinese government... by aurb · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...has shut down nearly 600 pornographic web sites

    The jedys are going to feel this one.

    1. Re:Chinese government... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... as if millions of pr0n-addicts moaned in disappointment and were suddenly silenced ...

      Until they realized that http://images.google.com/ wasn't blocked. :P

  2. My Dreamjob: by zerojoker · · Score: 5, Funny

    checking content for the Chinese government and censor it accordingly.
    Watching P0rn from 9 to 5 at work... hm wait, that's not that different to my current job...

    1. Re:My Dreamjob: by irtza · · Score: 5, Funny

      They'll have absolutely no problems filling positions for these jobs. Probably will become one of the most sought after jobs in China. Maybe you should move there before it becomes impossible to get a position.

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    2. Re:My Dreamjob: by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used to have that job, but now I'm on disability leave because of an on-the-job injury: carpal tunnel.

    3. Re:My Dreamjob: by GrungyLotG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why do I have a feeling it wasn't from typing? ;)

    4. Re:My Dreamjob: by limber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why bother moving all the way to china? Try Canada. here in Ontario, there is a statutory requirement that *every* "adult sex film" in distribution be reviewed by a screening panel of the Ontario Film Review Board.

      In actuality the setup is used as a cash cow for the government -- in order to get a film distributed, you have to pay a fee for them to review it and approve it for distribution. It's kind of ridiculous.

      Joking aside, it turns out that the job is quite mind numbing. the panel members basically sit in a room all day long watching porn on fast forward with the audio muted. they only slow it if they think something verboten (e.g. beastiality, child porn etc) is onscreen.

      Watching porn at your leisure is one thing. But *having* to do so as your job? And you don't just get to watch the stuff you enjoy. You are trapped there watching *all* the bad porn that is being made. Umm, no thanks.

  3. Wow! 600 porn sites!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that? Like 0.0001% of all pornsites out there?

    1. Re:Wow! 600 porn sites!!!!!! by PHPfanboy · · Score: 5, Funny
      porn sites in Chinese..

      This must be really inconvenient for the fans, they'll have to visit non-Chinese-language sites and they'll have no idea what they're looking at.

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  4. I believe this is nothing new for china by manavendra · · Score: 5, Informative
    For a communist country with a long history of very little respect for civil liberties and personal autonomy.
    In the past they have:
    1. China: Police Shut Down Gay, Lesbian Event
    2. Rampant Violence and Intimidation Against Petitioners - Chinese citizens who petition Chinese authorities for the redress of grievances are attacked, beaten, threatened, and intimidated
    Not to mention China's stance on Hongkong's pursuit of democracy...
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    1. Re:I believe this is nothing new for china by hihihihi · · Score: 3, Funny

      it is one of the God Given Rights given to all men

      you insensitive clod.... they are also given to women... you sexist bastard..

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    2. Re:I believe this is nothing new for china by Txiasaeia · · Score: 4, Informative
      Given that Lot thought God would be thrilled for Lot to send his daughters out to the crowd to keep the rowdy neighbors from bothering his angelic neighbors...

      And general Christian thought is that Lot was a hypocrite for doing so.

      ... the wife-stealing, husband-murdering David was the anointed of God...

      Widely thought of as a failure of David's, and the reason why he wasn't allowed to build God's temple.

      ... the mother of Christ was an unwed teenager already engaged to somebody else when she got pregnant...

      By the Holy Spirit. According to church thought, Mary did nothing wrong.

      ...and the wild adventures of Onan who was supposed to commit adultery against his own wife by impregnating his dead brother's wife...

      First of all, nowhere in Genesis 38 does it say that Onan was married. Second, there were some very good reasons for levirate marriages to be performed during this period.

      ...and you get one heck of a lot of porn in the Bible itself.

      Porn? Porn is, as far as I'm concerned, defined as gratuitious sexual references in whatever format designed to titilate. Lot's actions showed us how screwed up he was. David's actions, too, go to show why God's chosen wasn't allowed to build the temple. Mary did absolutely nothing wrong, and there's no reference to sex *at all* in the accounts of her conception in the Gospels. The closest you have to any kind of graphic sexuality is the story of Onan, but the story was about how he was disobedient; it wasn't a pornographic story in any way, shape, or form.

      Perhaps you're confusing "sex" with "porn," in which case yes, there are several sexual references and stories with sexual overtones in the Bible. But these references do not mean that the Bible is pornographic, any more than this post is pornographic.

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    3. Re:I believe this is nothing new for china by Txiasaeia · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If that's not porn, what is?

      At the very most, it's erotica - if we consider it to be an example of an ideal married relationship, rather than a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and the church (which is stretching it a bit, methinks).

      A discussion of women's breasts as tasty fruit is tasteful (if you'll forgive the pun). But how is talking about the female form, even genitalia, considered to be pornographic? The purpose of porn is sexual titilation. The Bible is mostly story-driven, and its purpose is to teach and to inform; most of the stories themselves are there because they give us illustrations of fellow humans who have failed miserably or succeeded magnificently.

      If you think the Bible is porn, wait until you see this anatomy textbook I've got! Talk about your playmate of the month!

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  5. Nothing to see here, move on by liangzai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    China regularly launches campaigns like this, and although the "saohuang" (clean up the porn) movement is effective in barring domestic porn sites, there is absolutely nothing China can do about the influx of porn from abroad, especially from Japan and the West.

    Furthermore, China is becoming more and more lax about porn, which any visitor to the country will realize within a day or so. Only the hardliners are still fighting it, but they might as well start a program to eradicate all the flies in the world. It is all in vain.

    Now, why is China fighting porn? Because it is an old taboo since the times after the Tang dynasty. Before, China was sexually liberal, and now the times are turning again. This has to do with the opening up to the outer world in general, and with Internet in particular.

    You should also note that there is no law against downloading or consuming porn in China. It is legal, it is practiced, and it is virtually unfiltered on the net (bar a few percent of the sites). What is illegal is copying and distributing porn, especially for commercial purposes. Spreading less than 20 "huangdai" (yellow tapes, porn videos) is not punishable. 20--99 tapes (or images) is punishable, and above 500 tapes (or images) is considered severe, with a potential lifetime imprisonment. This also goes for digital content.

    The effect is that China is consuming as much porn as the rest of the world, but they won't be able to cash in on it. This is bound to change in the future, if you ask me.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here, move on by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, at least our friendly Bush administration has something in common with Communist China:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

      Now who knows what other similiarities they have? Perhaps we'll find out that they actually torture prisoners in secret locations to fight the war on terror, similiar as China tortures a diverse range of seperatists for their own "war on terror":

      http://www.cfr.org/publication/4765/chinas_war_on_ terror.html?breadcrumb=default

      Nothing to see here, move along people!

    2. Re:Nothing to see here, move on by Marsmensch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The taboo must be pretty strong. I had privately been suspecting that sooner rather than later China would start producing porn as their costs must be pretty competitive, and we all know there is a pretty big niche for asian content. Perhaps in time we will see the financial interests in producing chinese porn coalesce and finally outsource our "adult entertainment".

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here, move on by koreth · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Meanwhile, Western leftists think that the occasional terrorist mass murderer getting slapped around is much more worthy of attention and support than peaceful political dissidents in leftist dictatorships, even dictatorships that have strayed from the "faith" like China.

      Far be it from me to stop a self-satisfied rant from completely mischaracterizing the political views of tens of millions of people, but are you talking about Western leftists like Amnesty Interational? Or maybe you mean Human Rights Watch. Hmm, no, that's not it. Well, please provide examples, since you're obviously quite certain.

      Ignore the possibility, of course, that you're living in a Western country, and thus are more likely to hear about protests directed at your own government. Or that China is successfully covering up some percentage of its internal discord, so you're never hearing about it. Or that China has been crushing its citizens for decades, while the West's adventures in fabrication-based nation building are more recent, and thus more likely to garner comment. Or that Western countries have more of a tradition of listening to their citizens, and thus the citizens are more likely to speak out about their own governments' policies with the expectation that it might actually do some good.

      Concentrating effort where it's most likely to have an effect is clearly way too abstract a concept for wacko yogurt-eating Birkenstock-shod lefty nutjobs, so it must just mean they're hypocrites with no sense of proportion.

  6. Benefits of this... by IAAP · · Score: 5, Interesting
    really.

    FTFA: The Chinese government also recently increased surveillance of mobile phone text messaging, a popular method of communication in China where 383 million individuals use mobile phones.

    For one thing, I didn't know that it was that easy for the cops. I bet it's even easier here in the US. Now that I know that the police have this capabliltiy, I can be a bit more vigilant about my own civil liberites, as much as I can. These things that China is doing is bringing to light some of the capabilities that police around the world have.

    I am curious though, exactly how easy is it? Can some local cops in anytown, USA do this?

  7. On the other hand... by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    How much liberty and freedom would you sacrifice to remove goatse and tubgirl from the net?

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  8. It's all in the definition by ztucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It should be noted that in China the word "democracy" is considered pornographic

  9. War on Porn Vs War on Drugs by masterpenguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm taking all bets on which war is going to be won first.

    The War on Drugs

    or The War on Porn

    Place your bets now...

    1. Re:War on Porn Vs War on Drugs by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 4, Funny
      The War on Gambling.

      Consider yourself arrested.

  10. Communist country? Are you serious? by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Insightful
    China is not a Communist country. It's an oligarchic dictatorship. The fact that said oligarchy calls itself "communist" is about as relevant as Lebanese militias calling themselves "Christian" or the Provisional IRA calling itself "Trotskyite". You can call yourself what you like. But if you want historical parallels for current Chinese government, the Imperial Roman system or the Venetian Serene Republic are probably closer analogies.

    I wouldn't get cross about this misnomenclature except that there have been a very few real attempts at Communist government, notably in India, and they shouldn't be dirtied by association. Let's be clear - if the Chinese people eventually overthrow or modernise their government, it will be the end of the process of the rise and collapse of large scale dictatorships in the 20th Century.

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    1. Re:Communist country? Are you serious? by FriedTurkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True Communism has been tried many times. It is destined to change into a oligarchic dictatorship everytime. That is why Communism will always fail. Ideals are always thrown out after that much power is given to so few people. Orwell's Animal Farm has happened so many times in different countries. Just subsitute different names for the characters.

    2. Re:Communist country? Are you serious? by tiggles · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, you're just all high and mighty because you can drink your tap water and aren't in the early stages of cadmium poisoning.

    3. Re:Communist country? Are you serious? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 4, Informative

      What you speak of is called "Oligarchical Socialism". True Communism has no government and no private ownership of the means of production.

  11. The Chinese have misunderstood the Internet by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, the Chinese government has misunderstood the very purpose of the Internet .

    Such a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Internet is, and was intended to be used will result in the Chinese people using the Internet for less desirable purposes such as dissent, subversion, and spreading dangerous ideas such as freedom of thought and expression.

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  12. To sum up by deblau · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sex is good, unless it's for money, then it's bad (in capitalist America, who would have thought?). Porn is good, unless you're a conservative. Sex with children is bad, but selling it is really bad. Violent porn is very, very bad. Violence in general is bad, unless you're under a repressive government, in which case it's OK to overthrow a dictator if it's yours, but not if it's somebody else's. China is terrible, because they spy on their citizens. America is the greatest country on Earth, we'd never do that. Oh, wait, yes we would. It's great to speak out, unless you're in a paranoid government that doesn't follow its own laws (but I just covered that). But we're still the best, because we're loud, over-confident, and we've got the 82nd Airborne, and all you other countries don't, so neener neener. Oh yeah, and we've got God on our side, and that beats all you heathens.

    Did I miss anything?

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  13. s/China/Western World by xiando · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please consider how Internet censorship is being implemented in the "free world" when reading this story.

    Example: Starting January 1st 2006, it is illegal to have organized debate on how to by-pass copyright restrictions in Finland. It is also illegal to distribute software, also free software, that can be used to by-pass copyright restrictions. This is a violation of free speech in the Internet in The Free World(tm).

    Another example: In many countries now it is illegal to inform that the World War II holocaust where claimed six million jews supposedly died is a hoax. You don't even need to be accused of lying, which you are not by informing about this issue, in many countries you will simply be put in prison on the vague charge of "denial".

    And there are many, way too many, examples on how free speech is being violated and limited in the western world.

    The first amendment seems to be the only one left in the USA now and it is under constant attack. Eye-ball the story and ignore place in the world (China), this is something every citizen should protest against, regardless of where in the world it happens - And it is, sadly, a trend that I see too clearly all over the world these days.

    Btw. You might aswell start using http://tor.eff.org/ right away - Sadly, tools that allow anonymous communication have now become necessary and essential.

  14. Finally... by Aragorn+DeLunar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone thought of the kittens!

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  15. Where's the outrage? by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 3, Funny

    As I sit here, the comment count is only at 212. Come on folks, where's the outrage? The righteous indignation of people being oppressed?

    One this is for sure: if this article were about the United States clamping down, there'd be 900 comments thus far, with 899 of them calling the U.S. everything but Satan himself. But since it's China, nobody says (much of) anything. Just goes to prove once again that everybody's eager to call the U.S. the #1 enemy of...well, just about everything, but when real oppression happens outside U.S. borders, they're given a free pass.

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  16. You didn't get the memo ... by willtsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful


    China stopped being communist when switched from a planned/command economy to a free market system. But they made sure to keep the authoritarian regime in place.

    Back in the 1930s and 1940s, they called that fascism. I guess when the pots occupy the media and government infrastructure, they are unwilling to call kettles black.

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