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The Odds at Macworld

Moby Cock writes "Jason O'Grady has posted the odds on what is to be announced at the Macworld Expo beginning next week. Coming in at 100:1 is OS X 10.5 and even money on a new and sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks. Gentlemen, start your credit cards."

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  1. check with the lawyers by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can always tell which rumors are true by the rapid-fire Apple lawsuits to the websites responsible.

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    1. Re:check with the lawyers by DavidLeblond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup! Because the Asteroid rumors were spot on! :P

  2. Price increases for iTunes by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no problem paying $.99 for a song, but i will pay no more. This happens and I will be looking other places for my music for my iPod. They have to pay none of the traditional distribution costs of CD's, so they shouldn't even be the price they are now. you want to be greedy, i'll look elsewhere.

    1. Re:Price increases for iTunes by jocknerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well considering that it wouldn't be Apple's choice to raise the prices, I would think it might be pretty hard to find lower prices from legitimate online stores.

      Personally, I don't care if the prices go to a tiered structure. I don't buy the "hits" so the songs I'd purchase would probably come out cheaper than $.99.

    2. Re:Price increases for iTunes by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2, Insightful


      The music industry would, I'm sure, like to have a tiered structure set up like so:

      Tier 1: Music you don't buy: $.49
      Tier 2: Music you do buy: $2.99

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    3. Re:Price increases for iTunes by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Now that would be a great business plan, charging people for things they don't buy.

      Cable TV networks charge you for things you don't watch. In order for me to get The Space Channel (in .CA) my cableco's package also included crap like The Golf Channel and StarTV (entertainment news). Screw 'em, cancelled cable and download the odd show I want to watch.

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    4. Re:Price increases for iTunes by Luscious868 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have no problem paying $.99 for a song, but i will pay no more. This happens and I will be looking other places for my music for my iPod. They have to pay none of the traditional distribution costs of CD's, so they shouldn't even be the price they are now. you want to be greedy, i'll look elsewhere.

      I'd totally buy into it if they also drastically lowered the price of less popular tracks. I don't listen to top 40 crap anyway. Go ahead and jack the price of Jessica Simpson tracks up by two or three times what they cost today just as long as you lower the prices of the less popular tracks by the same scale. You'd be doing us all a favor.

      Of course we all know that's not how it would happen. If the RIAA had their way the popular tracks would be "raised slightly" to $3.00 a track and less popular tracks would "drop drastically" to $0.95 a track.

    5. Re:Price increases for iTunes by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only problem with eMusic is that the MTV/Radio tunnel of crap is the stuff most people, myself included, want. All I could find on eMusic was no-name...crap that I had never heard of and am not interested in. All the POPULAR music is on iTunes or Rhapsody. I gave eMusic a shot and it would be a great service if they had you know stuff people actually want.

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    6. Re:Price increases for iTunes by Narcissus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I do believe that they have the money put aside, as I have not seen any reason why they wouldn't.

      Now assuming they have the money put aside, as is required by Russian law, is it my fault that the recording companies haven't registered for the money?

      No. In fact, if I were a recording artist, I'd be hounding my manager and anyone else that would listen to get their arses in to gear and sort it out because it's their fault that I wasn't getting my money.

      Like I said in another post: if I were able to get government welfare but hadn't registered for it, whose fault is that? Mine, pure and simple. The money's there and the government is willing to give it to me, but I need to register for it to claim it.

      I kind of look at it this way: if the money wasn't there, why haven't the record companies applied for it then told EVERYONE that it's not there? I mean, in one fell swoop, that would bring the whole reputation of the site down.

      Again, it's no-ones fault but the record companies if they can't either:
      a) register for the money and get it; or
      b) register for the money, find out it's not there and yell it from the hilltops that it's a ripoff site.

      Like I said: that would once and for all tell the world about the truth of that site.

      Instead, they sit there. Why aren't their artists complaining, forcing them to do what allofmp3.com says they need to do, just so that everyone can know the truth?

      I think (and will continue to do so until shown otherwise) that they WILL NOT register because they KNOW that it's all above board, and they DO NOT want to legitimise that site. Pure and simple.

      Naturally, saying "obviously it's a fake because they don't give any money out" is also pure and simple. But in the end, they've shown their hand: "this is what you need to do to get your money". Why is NO-ONE willing to call their bluff?

      It's just not as simple as saying "it's a fraud".

      Just for the record, I don't buy from allofmp3.com. I don't buy from iTunes and I don't download music illegally.

      My entire music collection was either bought on CD or from independent sites such as eMusic and Magnatune.

      I just can't see how anyone can say "it's obvious that it's a scam" when it's so easy for the recording industry to jump through a few hoops and say "yes, it is a scam."

      Why has no-one tried to claim their money?

  3. Who cares about the pro users? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    O'Grady writes :"Hopefully it'll be the PowerBook nano I've been dreaming of. Unfortunately, it's not likely as the pro software (Final Cut, Creative Suite, etc.) isn't universal binary yet. Rosetta emulation isn't fun folks. Odds: 50-1."

    So, basically, he's saying that because a certain segment of the userbase will be waiting a little while, EVERYONE should wait?

    If Apple doesn't ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting, because they certainly aren't going to buy G4 powerbooks unless they absolutely have to. If Apple does ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting for their apps to be shipped as Universal binaries.

    So, given that these customers are ogoing to be waiting either way, why shouldn't Apple get hardware on the market to serve the customers who *can* buy now? Customers for whom XCode is their main app, not Photoshop or Final Cut.

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    1. Re:Who cares about the pro users? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, given that these customers are ogoing to be waiting either way, why shouldn't Apple get hardware on the market to serve the customers who *can* buy now?

      Because unlike every other laptop vendor out there, Apple is all about the full experience, not just the box. If Apple did what you're describing, why wouldn't people just go buy a Dell, or a Sony instead? It's the same hardware for the most part now...

      If they want to keep their premium rep, they can't ship the new hardware until *all* of the new software is ready.

    2. Re:Who cares about the pro users? by cosmo7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Historically,

      Apple switches to 32-bit clean 68K: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to System 7.0: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple starts using 68040: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to PowerPC: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple starts using SMP: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to OS X: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop

      So except for these events you're correct. If you want a laggard, try Quark.

    3. Re:Who cares about the pro users? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "How many teens are buying 30" apple displays and $1500 video cards to play Quake? Few. Quite a few professional graphic designers and videographers are!"

      And (Mac, Unix, Java) developers, scientists and, well, people who like good technology and can afford to splurge.

      It's been widely noted how common OS X laptops have become at technical conferences and get-togethers. Those people are all potential happy purchasers of Intel Powerbooks, who would probably not be satisfied with an iBook (for one thing, iBooks don't have DVI out.)

      The Mac user world is not divided up between graphic/sound pros and teenagers. Graphics, video, and sound pros are not the only customers buying Powerbooks, with everyone else buying iBooks.

      I work for a huge global consulting company, which is Windows-oriented, but I spotted one manager-level employee at the Philly office who preferred to use a 17" Powerbook, even though he also had to lug around a Windows laptop for occasional use.

      This seems to be news to a lot of people: Powerbooks are not the exclusive territory of graphics/video/sound pros.

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  4. Re:new and sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not for certain, but I'd give you 3.1x10^8 to 1.

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  5. Re:The irony by ThaFooz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

    I think Mac zelots (arguably myself included) are more enamored with the OS than the hardware. My gripe with PC manufactures out there is a lot of shoddy support, bottom-of-the-barrel parts, and bulky/ugly laptop design and only a handfull of gems.

  6. Inconsistencies... by djrogers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, a sexy new Intel based mac mini seems likely, but in light of that why are they only giving 10:1 odds on an iLife/Frontrow upgrade? It seems the new mini would be the perfect platform to add PVR functionality to, but with no upgrades/additions to iLife, it seems the new minis would move from a killer living room appliance to a minor curiousity...

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  7. Re:iLife '06 comes in at 10:1 by ronanbear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At 50:1 for an x86 PB I'd put $30-$40 on one and that way I could afford one to buy one straightaway. I don't think those odds are realistic. With iLife 06 being good value at 10:1 a $5 bet would more than pay for the PB bet even if there weren't PBs.

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  8. Re:"start you credit cards" by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    considering there is a story just today with a quote by Jobs saying there would be some major releases. I would think your wrong.

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  9. Re:Probably not... by Chucker23N · · Score: 2, Insightful

    O'Grady is, as always, full of crap. The iPod nano has no video compression/decompression chip as the iPod with video does, and the PortalPlayer chipset it comes with doesn't do real-time decoding of H.264. Supplying such a feature via firmware is impossible.

  10. Re:The irony by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Manufacture != Design

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  11. Huh? by macwhizkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting speculation, but a lot of it just doesn't quite add up.

    -The AirPort "Ultra" would "be able to stream video to your TV - in High Definition". Where is all this HD content coming from? Not from the iTMS, not from DVDs. Assuming this AirPort is running 802.11g, streaming HD content is iffy at best. Apple is known for making things easy. I don't see how this could possibly fly as a consumer product. Maybe in another year or two, with faster WiFi and more HD content.

    -Jason reckons that the Intel PowerBooks won't be released because (despite all the engineering done) not all the pro software is written yet for Intel, and Rosetta emulation just isn't fun. But then his #1 prediction is for Intel iBooks? Doesn't make sense to me.

    -Why are iLife & iWork updates so unlikely (10% and 4% odds, respectively)? Unless Apple is just willing to let this software die (unlikely given relations with Microsoft), this is practically a given. Maybe not until summer, but the odds of an announcement or mention are more likely on the order of 50% - 75%, IMO.

    Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Guess I'll wait until next week to find out for sure.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      iBooks have never been the professional line of portables. So the lack of professional apps would not be a deal breaker for x86 ibooks.

      I'm going with the article, and expecting to see x86 ibooks. We'll see what happens.

  12. Re:My breakdown... by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But if they upgrade the iBooks first, won't they be significantly more powerful than the Powerbooks for a while. Assuming Apple is going for a new Pentium M of some kind, that is.

  13. Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Buddha would tell us that anyone who goes on about Buddhaism for more than two sentences is to be ignored because they do not get it.

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  14. Why the "Replace Tivo" hardon? by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I dont understand this. Tivo right now, works perfect. It is the iPod of DVRs. The only way this will be replaced by Apple is if Apple releases a machine that can do CableCard HDTV recordings - And do it as simple and elegantly as Tivo can. We have a problem here, for this sort of recording, people will be wanting 500 gig or so of space. I hardly think you're going to be sticking this much space in a Mac Mini.

    I just dont think Apple is going to make a DVR to actually compete with Tivo. Let alone "defeat it in one fell swoop!!#!11111!!!".

    Might they make DVR software for say, college kids and such? With a little dongle for cable input? Sure. But this would hardly make any waves in the DVR market.

  15. That sound you hear? by TCQuad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't buy the "hits" so the songs I'd purchase would probably come out cheaper than $.99.

    That sound you hear in the background is thousands of executives worldwide laughing at your naiveté.

  16. The one sure thing by Geoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The one sure thing is that, whatever he announces at MacWorld, Steve Jobs will made it seem like the most amazing development in the history of computing, and the Apple Store site will be bogged down with orders.

    Geoff

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  17. Noooooooo! by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple's productivity suite will get upgrades to Pages and Keynote with the possible addition of a modern Office-killing spreadsheet application (rumored to be called "Numbers" or "Sheets"). If it reads and writes Excel files the Apple spreadsheet will be the final nail is Microsoft Office's coffin. Microsoft will waste no time in announcing the end of support for Office for the Mac if this happens.

    And then Apple can kiss all of its corporate sales goodbye. Nope, not gonna happen. Maybe a light-duty, somewhat-compatible spreadsheet for people to make little lists with, but Apple knows it will lose more in corporate hardware sales than it can ever make back with their little $99-a-pop suite.

    Besides, if there's one thing we have learned, it's that 100% compatibility with MS Office file formats is impossible. Can OOo do it? Can Quark or InDesign perfectly import Word docs? Hell, do MS Office for Mac and Win perfectly read each others' files? No, no, and no.

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    1. Re:Noooooooo! by NardofDoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell. Microsoft's own software doesn't import everything correctly.

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  18. Re:SpeedBump's Mini wishlist by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Better DVD playback software (for a UI centered company like Apple, "DVD Player" program blows donkey wang)

    A DVD player which doesn't moan about regions and doesn't prevent you from skipping would be a good start. I know about VLC and MPlayer OS X, but they don't work well on all DVDs. I have Region 1 DVDs which I can't even play on my Mac, but which work fine on my Linux box. This isn't the way it's supposed to be ...

    Rich.

  19. Re:The irony by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel.

    As it happens, the intel announcement was taken with very little complaint in the Mac community. I went up to the SF apple store the day after the keynote last year, and it was business as usual. One sales associate there told me about one fanboy he pretty much needed to talk down from a ledge, but that was about it.

    Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

    Want to talk pain? Imagine being one of those Sony designers, doing all that fine electronic and mechanical work, and having the quality of the product still be limited by Microsoft. At Apple, they'll be able to specify better materials, because there's actually enough margin to support it. Viao notebooks are cleverly designed, but the economics of the PC world means they have to be flimsy.

    -jcr

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  20. Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple will announce the release of a 3 button mouse after they realized what a hit they had with their 2 button model...

    Actually the mightymouse only has one button and it looks and works just like the old single button mice. The trick is that depending on which finger you press down on the single button with you get a left or right click functionality and the trackball on top of it doubles as a third button. This is a typical Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) solution:

    Fact #1: Official Apple policy is that a user only needs one mouse button.
    Fact #2: Unfortunately experience has shown that it is better to have more mouse buttons.
    Fact #3: Since we are talking aboute Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) it is not an option to back down on Fact #1.

    Ergo: Design a mouse that has a single button that works like two buttons and has a trackball built in instead of a scroll-wheel giving 2d scrollingcapability. This has the dual effect of adding a little novelty to a new product and most importantly it enables Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) to save face by not having to back down on Fact #1.

    It never ceases to amaze me how Apple continually seems to succeed in coming up with gadgets that sell like hotcakes but that really are only redesigns or recombinations of already existing ideas. Both the iPod and the Mighty Mouse really just combinine two old ideas into a new one. I have seen mice with builtin trackballs before but no design that was quite as elegant as the mightly mouse. Similarly the iPod is nothing new either, the inovation is really to marry an MP3 player with an obscene amount of storage space and package it in an elegant and ergonomically well designed package. Both these are, surprisingly enough, ideas that nobody had thought of even if they had been bloody obvious for years.

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    1. Re:Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It never ceases to amaze me how Apple continually seems to succeed in coming up with gadgets that sell like hotcakes but that really are only redesigns or recombinations of already existing ideas.

      To put it bluntly, that's just because your expectation of what sort of innovation a good product should contain is abnormally high. All Dell ever seems to do is make things cheaper. All monitor manufacturers seem to do is to make bigger monitors with better resolutions. All printer manufacturers seem to do is to print smaller dots faster. The thing is, at some point the incremental improvements cross a threshold of usability and become hits. For example, once we got 1024x768 monitors and 300 dpi printers, the computer became a viable tool for desktop publishing. Similarly, my 128 MB Rio MP3 player was a mere toy, but once somebody found a way to hold hundreds or thousands of songs, the product was a very different gadget. We can't all be inventing revolutions like zippers and velcro every year, you know.

    2. Re:Apple (aka. Steve Jobs) by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the innovation with the iPod was not only to greatly increase all the technical specs of the player (not just storage space but transfer speed- Firewire was so much better than USB at the time there was simply no comparison) but to give the player a really well-thought-out interface (the wheel) and marry it with the best media management program they could get (iTunes). iTunes, the iPod, and the ITMS were all designed simultaneously as part of a single Apple initiative and had always been intended to work together.

  21. Re:Nah.... by theAtomicFireball · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sad thing is, all Mac software assumes one button so those extra buttons will be doing pretty much nothing the next few... decades or so...
    *Buzz* Thanks for playing.

    OS X has supported multiple buttons and scroll wheels natively since its very first release, as the OS's event architecture was originally designed to accommodate Next's three-button mouse. Apple continued to develop the multi-button support under OS X despite shipping a single-button mouse. Most OS X applications (Cocoa, Carbon, and even Java) have always automatically taken advantage of the OS-level support for scroll wheels and right-clicking for basic tasks (e.g. copy, cut, paste) without doing anything, plus OS X developers routinely add additional contextual menus and other types of support for modern mice. I don't know a single OS X developer who routinely uses a single button mouse, and I've met a good number of them. On top of that, I believe that the Mighty Mouse's buttons are fully customizable in the System Preferences (not sure on that - I still use an old Logitech mouse on my Mac)

    OS X applications never require a multi-button mouse, but they almost universally support them.
  22. Re:The odds? by John+Harrison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once he stated that he thinks there will be a firmware upgarde to the iPod nano to support video I figured he was out to lunch. The 5G iPod has a hardware video decoder. You aren't going to be able to update your nano's software and get the same thing.

  23. Re:My breakdown... by Glock27 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yonah will be slow enough already. The vast, VAST majority of Mac software will be emulated for 2006 and will be slower than current Apple laptops.

    I've seen this incorrect information in more than one place. It's not emulation, it's on-the-fly translation. It is not painfully slow, and some of that software will run substantially faster on the new notebooks than on the old G4s.

    Native x86 software, of course, will be faster still.

    I'm getting an Intel Powerbook as soon as I'm reasonably sure there aren't design/manufacturing issues.

    Yonah is hot, power hungry, 32bit, and has pathetic floating point performance.

    Not one of these points is correct. Nice job.

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  24. Re:How about giving putting a DVD-R in the iBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except DVD-Rs are a STANDARD in even low-end computers today.

    I could give less then two shits about any "Apple Product Strategy." Apple is a company, and they are allowed to do what they want in these regards, just like I'm allowed to bitch and ultimatly make the choice to not buy it.

    Because of this little bit of BS, they lost a sale.

    The 12 inch iBook fits everything I want in a product, except it lacks a dvd-r. Super small, Plays emulators, Browses web wirelessly, has office suite, connects to TV.... but you cant burn a dvd of the shit you download.

    C'mon, thats some mega bullshit right there. Heck, I even want to pay them for the upgrade, and they wont let me.

    Its apple zealots like you that piss off so many. Stop defending them, they dont need it. They already arnt getting my money because of their "product strategy" and thats enough.

    My complaint stands, and apple still doesnt get my money.

  25. Re:My breakdown... by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing you can bet on is that 10.5 will be released simultaneously with their first Intel-based machine. You'd be crazy to bet that the latter can happen before the former. What would it run? There won't be a 10.4X86....

  26. Firewire and iLife by payndz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Don't be surprised if this IBook is the first to ship without a FireWire port.

    Which instantly eliminates one of the big USPs of the whole iLife suite - that you can import, edit and burn your own movies. Without Firewire, how are you supposed to get the data off your digital camcorder? (Do many camcorders support USB 2.0 yet?) And what about all those people (like me) who have their data backed up on Firewire external drives? What are they supposed to do, transfer it on Zip discs when they upgrade?

    Hell, Apple invented Firewire, so it's not like they have to pay a per-unit royalty to have one somewhere on the machine.

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  27. Re:How about giving putting a DVD-R in the iBook by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dude. Sneaker Net is obsolete. Fucking transfer your data over the network. Or put the iBook in target disk mode and get on with life.

    Those are just work arounds.

    Fact is, this is how Apple works. They like to dangle a carrot in front of your face (The $999 iBook, the Shuffle) to get you interested. But the thing is, they cripple the low end models so they can try to upsell you to the higher end models. And they like to carefully set their price points so that the next model up is "just a bit more".

    On the PC side of things, the manufacturers can't pull that crap. If Sony decided they weren't going to put a DVD burner in their lower end models to try to sell more high end models, everyone would just go and buy a Compaq/HP/IBM/Dell/Acer/Gateway/EMachines/Toshiba/ ??? instead. And to someone who puts togther their own PCs with exactly what I want, Apple's way of doing things really seems bizarre at times and can really be a turn off.