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Intel Launches Centrino Duo Notebooks

An anonymous reader writes "Intel has officially introduced their Centrino Duo platform. The new Centrino uses the Yonah processor which I guess is now called Core Duo. AnandTech has a review of notebooks based on it and the results are pretty impressive. They tested two identical notebooks, one based on Centrino Duo and one based on Centrino. The Duo notebook lasted 30 minutes longer on battery and was faster in the benchmarks. You can't beat longer battery life and better performance."

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  1. I'm fascinated by these identical notebooks by LameJokeGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can they be identical if they are based on different motherboards?

  2. Intel Launches Notebooks by jim_mcneely · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looked like, from the title, that Intel was launching, not just a new chip for notebook machines, but actual notebook machines. That would certainly have Dell and HP shaking in their boots!

    1. Re:Intel Launches Notebooks by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny
      It looked like, from the title, that Intel was launching, not just a new chip for notebook machines, but actual notebook machines. That would certainly have Dell and HP shaking in their boots!

      Hard to imagine a major American corporation getting away with such a massive conflict of interest.

    2. Re:Intel Launches Notebooks by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Informative
      > ...massive conflict of interest

      What? Are you saying General Motors can't make cars and trucks because they make engines? Did you know they make diesel locomotives, also?

      I have several (old) Intel computers in my basement. Oddly enough, they use Intel CPUs.

      Many manufacturers produce "brand labeled" products in the same plants, using the same parts that they use in their own products; for example Westinghouse producing their own washing machines, and also producing an identical unit with the Kenmore label.

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    3. Re:Intel Launches Notebooks by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Interesting
      OK, I should have said ancient museum pieces.

      The first is a circa 1979 Intel MDS-235, the second generation of the MDS-800, the machine CP/M was written on. It was a Multibus machine, with a 2MHz 8085 processor (almost certainly the first production 8085 machine), 64K of static RAM (filled a full card), an integral 8" Single Density 128K floppy drive, and an external dual 8" Double Density 256K drive enclosure. My drive enclosure differs from the pictured one - the drives in mine are horizontal, so the unit is "only" about 6" high. I have the EPROM burner too, with 2716 (4K EPROM) and 2732 (8K EPROM) modules. The full package, new, cost $27,000.00 IIRC. I've got a ton of software for it (on 8" Dysan floppies), and all the books, too. My wife has been after me for 20+ years to get rid of it; at this point I'd like to find a good museum to donate it to. It was running OK the last time I used it, but I'm afraid the capacitors could be dried out by now, so I'm kind of afraid to turn it on.

      The second is an Intel 310, which I can't seem to find any pictures of on the Internet. It's a Multibus box with a 12 MHz 80286 and a 10 MHz 80287 on one card and 512K static RAM filling another card. The disc drive was a full-height 5-1/4 20 MB (MFM) drive. It was a popular (??) box to run iRMX-86 (Intel's Realtime Multitasking OS) on, for controlling stuff. I used it to develop a controller for elevators in office buildings. I also had the Intel (licensed from Microsoft (licensed from the original SCO)) version of Xenix for it. I bought it about the time the PC-AT came out, for about $5000.00, and I've still got all the books and media for it.

      Intel has made mass-market IBM-PC compatabiles in the past, but they haven't done that on a long time.

      Christ I'm old; it's time for my nap.

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    4. Re:Intel Launches Notebooks by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, back in the 386 era, we had a few Intel 386 PCs in our testing lab.

      The fun thing? The cases were identical to the AT&T (Olivetti?) 386s. I'm not sure if AT&T was re-branding the Intel PCs or if it was the other way around.

      This was around 1990.

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  3. "Windows XP Vista"?? by Lemmingue · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Centrino Duo page:

    "Ready for Windows XP Vista*
    Support for the latest software when it arrives."

    What the hell is "Windows XP Vista"? A new Linux distribution?

  4. Please RTFA by Critical_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe someone would rate the parent post as "informative" without ever looking at the article.

    In the article, Anandtech clearly states that their request for identical notebooks was filled by Asus's W-series notebooks. Since Asus is a huge ODM, they provided identical notebooks with the only difference being the new chipset, processor combo. The processors (Dothan and Core Duo) were even matched clock for clock at 1.86Ghz. The comparison is amazingly good and shows very clearly that the new processor has a great boost and performance and battery time. Next time, please RTFA before posting drivel.

    1. Re:Please RTFA by xodonex · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Identical clock speeds are exactly not the point when comparing a single-core CPU against a dual-core CPU: you save power by lowering the clock speed, and have an extra core to compensate for the performance loss. Whether or not this compensation is advantageous is dependent on whether your particular code lends itself well to parallel execution over the particular cores or not.

      I don't dispute that the benchmarks probably are representative for average real-life applications, but depending on the specific application, YMMV considerably. Dual core is not always an advantage, despite marketing hype.

  5. 'course you can beat that.... by shintaro · · Score: 4, Funny
    >> You can't beat longer battery life and better performance.

    Cause you can. Make it weigh less than 1kg and you have a real winner.

  6. is 30 mins that significant ? by rednuhter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is 30 mins that significant ?
    Obviously if your train journey lasts 30 mins more than your current battery life then is does.
    But I would go with a margin of error of at least 30 mins in battery life depending on individual usage plus wifi, bluetooth, external devices etc.

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  7. What about graphics performance? by Rinikusu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How well has Intel improved the performance of its integrated graphics chipset? I'd like to see what I can look forward to if Apple decides to go with Intel and not ATI or nVidia. While I understand these aren't meant to be gaming "powerhouses", I'd still like to do some light gaming on it. (FWIW, I've play World of Warcraft, at around 20fps, on my old iBook G4 800 and my desktop P3 750 (ti4200), which was acceptable. I'd like to see at least this level of performance).

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  8. Re:Specs, please! by Markus+Landgren · · Score: 3, Funny
    BTW, the link titled view specification chart on http://www.intel.com/products/centrino/duo/index.h tm contains no specifications at all.


    That's right. The link does not contain that. But the pages it links to do...
  9. doesn't mean jack shit by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You kids! Haven't you learned not to peak at your presents before Christmas Day?

    Seriously, once I got over having expectations for either Christmas presents or the Keynote, I stopped being so disappointed and started enjoying both Christmas and MWSF much more.

    I can remember a group of us being stunned that our hoped-for "Apple PDA" turned out to be the iPod. We felt so betrayed at the time. But look how that turned out. And meanwhile, the PDA market has mostly been stagnant, or has merged with (read: become a feature of) telephony.

    So pull up a deck chair, grab a kool aid, sit back, and prepare to have the warm emanations of the RDF wash over you pleasantly.

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  10. Actually one IMPORTANT thing is missing ... by xdesk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... the SLIGHTLY better power consumption is probably a result of moving from 90nm to 65nm - it is possible that a 65nm single-core would still have better power consumption !!!
    As a result I would really want to see how things will be compared to a 65nm (dual-core or not) AMD Turion and before paying around 500 US$ for the CPU only I would rather wait for a dual-core 64 bit CPU (eventually with 4 MB L2).

    1. Re:Actually one IMPORTANT thing is missing ... by Zackbass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So...why exactly does comparing this new Intel processor with a fictional AMD processor that they can't even mass produce until at least next year matter in the least? The process is just as much a part of the processor as the architecture and Intel has the better process tech. Asking for an AMD with Intel's 65nm process is equivalent to asking for an Intel processor with AMD's superior dual-core architecture.

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  11. Re:Specs, please! by dr.badass · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where can one find the the assumptions and circumstances under which these "pretty impressive" results are obtained?

    Um, maybe in the article?

    Indeed, it is hard to imagine that you can have "identical" notebooks with different chipsets.

    "The beauty of the W5F and W5A is that they are virtually identical, with the only real difference being that the former is based on the Napa platform while the latter is a Sonoma notebook. ASUS even went one step further and shipped us notebooks with processors clocked identically - the W5F featured a Core Duo T2400 (1.83GHz) while the W5A featured a Pentium M 750 (1.83GHz)." -- RTFA

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  12. Objective by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't beat longer battery life and better performance.

    Yes you can! Just spend more on advertising.

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  13. because server centric hasn't arrived. by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Face it, this idea everything would be done on a server and you would only need a "thin client" or such has been nothing much more than a pipe-dream.

    One major reason is cost, the end clients have become more powerful and the price has dropped. The difference in cost between having a low powered end client versus a standard one isn't enough to justify anyone moving to a different model.

    Then toss in the adversion most people have to "not owning it" and it becomes clear why this has never taken off. Look at the adversion people here on slashdot have to subscription music! Do you think any of these people will want to subsribe to software? Sure there will be some people who put up a server at home and work that way but that isn't a killer-app.

    Notebooks and even phones for that matter will continue to get more powerful. There will be markets for low cost phones, but those same markets are not of any interest to the central server market advocates as these markets most likely won't have the money or inclination to use the service.

    If you want your central server model you have to look no further than the green screen systems that are in use in many industries doing real work. Its really hard to sell someone something when the solution already exists.

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  14. can't beat that? by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "You can't beat longer battery life and better performance."

    Sure you can.... longer battery life, better performance and lower pricing :-)

    And it's easy to top that one as well ;-)

  15. Lifetime and performance by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You can't beat longer battery life and better performance.
    Does that mean you'll pay me $10,000 buy a dual-Opterion desktop, attached to 100 hours-worth of UPSs and covered with Limburger cheese? :)

    (The point being that better lifetime and performance are no brainers only if all other quality measures don't suffer.)

    1. Re:Lifetime and performance by datafr0g · · Score: 3, Funny

      The point being that better lifetime and performance are no brainers only if all other quality measures don't suffer.

      I agree, but only because the article is about laptops. Vibrators on the other hand, would be greatly enhanced with nothing more than having a better lifetime and performance.

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  16. Intel Outside by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The new slogan is supposed to signify Intel's shift away from focusing "inside" and starting to look at platforms and solutions for the end users."

    What does this sentence mean? Intel is going to make their own hardware and software now?

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  17. Actually... by ion_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the hell is "Windows XP Vista"? A new Linux distribution?

    It's Service Pack 3 for Windows® XP®, but instead of calling it SP3 they call it Vista® and put a price tag on it.

    HTH.

  18. Re:Does anyone use Centrino? by r_cerq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're kidding, right? They are THE processor for laptops. Almost everyone I know with a x86 laptop has one. I went from a P3 to a P4 to a first-gen centrino, and now a Sonoma for about the last half year (actually, a W5A like the one in the article). There's no way a regular Pentium or Celeron can compare to a Centrino when in comes to battery life or heat output. . And I'm no Intel fanboy at all, I actually do prefer AMDs on the desktops, but for notebooks Intel Centrinos are "it"

  19. wireless support? by Gaima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, this new fangled wireless card Intel have produced, 3945ABG.
    Are we Linux users going to get a driver for it?

    An extra 30 minutes battery life, and a dual core CPU for multitasking, would both be quite beneficial for me, but without Linux wireless drivers (no ndiswrapper please) it's a no-go.

  20. You can't beat.. by FinalCut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OP Said:You can't beat longer battery life and better performance."

    Well, except with even longer battery life and even better preformance for even less money. I think that would beat it.

  21. Re:Core Duo by wootest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently before the end of the year. The Pentium brand has now been around almost 13 years, and in a way it's past its prime. If Intel is tearing almost every other aspect of its marketing up to start fresh, Pentium, along with Intel Inside, is arguably the most stale, and Intel Inside has already been dumped. It seems like a good place to start. I, for one, welcome our new Core-named overlords...

  22. Pentium 5 scores -1 redundant by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know anyone who uses this chip

    Centrino mobile technology is a chipset, not a chip. Until now, it has consisted of a Pentium M CPU plus specific supporting chips including a specific brand of onboard 802.11b adapter.

    When's the P5 coming out?

    Given that "Pentium" comes from the Greek word for the number 5 plus a Latin suffix, wouldn't "Pentium 5" be redundant?

  23. how much will these laptops cost? by rjnagle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, pardon me for asking the obvious question:

    How much are these laptops going to cost?

    When are they going to be available?

    I was going to buy a laptop for running Fedora Core at the end of January. I was planning to spend 1000-1200$ Is this out of my league (and time frame)?

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  24. Re:Not 64 bit - not interested by smash · · Score: 2, Informative
    So what 64 bit-only apps do you run?

    You're going to have more than 64gb of memory in your notebook (Pentium series can address that much with paging)?

    Fair enough 64 bit will be required eventually, but really, 32bit is good enough for a while yet.

    smash.

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