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iTunes is Malware?
Moby writes "On the heels of the big Apple love-in that is Macworld comes some interesting but alarming news. Recently a few blogs have started to indicate that iTunes is tracking your music preferences and using that data to recommend other songs from iTMS. The article provides a good overview, with some recommendations of its own. Basically, iTunes is tracking your music and sending the data back to Apple servers. This info is then used to advertise songs that may be to your tastes. A convenient feature, perhaps, but it raises concerns over privacy."
First of all, I don't know how this qualifies as iTunes suddenly being "malware", but anyway...
Edit -> Hide MiniStore (or shift-command-M)
No information of any kind is sent when the MiniStore is disabled.
What iTunes 6.0.2 is doing:
Sending information about the currently playing track to Apple, and then displaying information related to that track in the iTunes Music Store in the MiniStore pane. It is not broadly "tracking your music preferences".
Further - though we admittedly don't know this since Apple doesn't explain how it is using the data - there is no proof that Apple is doing anything but merely changing the MiniStore display based on what track you are listening to (which is very likely exactly what they're doing); not aggregating or "tracking your music preferences".
iTunes isn't doing this surreptitiously, either: the MiniStore pane clearly actively changes depending on what track you have selected. One would presume this does not happen via magic or the dark arts.
I'd love to have comment from Apple, and a clear presentation that information is being sent to Apple for x purpose, and a clear option to allow - or disallow - such use. I've looked through the iTunes 6.0.2 license and do not see any such guidance.
Granted, the MiniStore pane is present by default, but it can be disabled as easily as is described above.
I realize many people think this represents "going over the line"; but is there ever any instance where datamining to match items you might be interested in to your interests is acceptable? Is there any value to having this be the default state in certain instances where it could be significantly helpful?
What is it doing that is malicious?
Spyware, sure, but not malware.
-stefan
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Amazon.com is a malicious website! When I click on a book, they show me other books that people have purchased with it!!!
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No. It is not.
Malware definition
Perhaps the news submitter ment to use the term spyware?
Oh shit! Apple knows you listen to too much Britney Spears! Time to get hysterical and post to a bunch of blogs from starbucks on your powerbook.
you listen to a lot Anton Webern. Seriously, it turns out that people who bought Anton Webern's Variations for Piano, Op. 27 (all three of us) also bought Jeff Foxworthy--at least according to the ministore. That little gem of demographic goodness has brightened up my day so much I don't care how what info Apple gets from my listening habits.
Ever used an Internet browser? That sends data to various servers, does that constitute a risk to your privacy? Probably, but it doesn't make Firefox, IE & Opera 'malware', in the same way that even if iTunes is sending data to Apple, it's not necessaraly malware.
Kneejerk reactions like this are unsupprising given the current culture of "Oh my god, the've got my name and they know what music I like!". If you are conserned about your privacy with regard to a company or service, I suggest you start with their Terms of Service and Privacy Policy - If you don't like them, you don't have to use their service.
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Which is why when signing up for my discount card, I listed myself as a 60 year old lady with an address in a retirement center.
:-)
Makes me wonder what happens in their data centers when I make a late-night beer run...
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
It would be interesting to re-phrase the question and replace "iTunes" with "Windows Media Player" and see what kinds of responses are generated by the Slashdot crowd.
Sample headline: "It seems the most recent update to Microsoft's bundled media application Windows Media Player is mining the music tracks that a user plays and sending that data back to Microsoft in order to present the user with similar tracks from the MSN Music Store. What Microsoft does with this data after Music Store recommendations are made is unknown."
Will the apologists for Apple and their data mining stand up in this case as well?
Interesting question, anyway.
B
"We must still have chaos within in order to be able to give birth to a dancing star." --Friedrich Nietzsche
I want them to track my music listening habits. Maybe if they notice the bands I listen to, they will make deals to distribute music from Epitaph and Fat Wreck Chords artists. . . 'cause currently iTunes have almost nothing I want to listen to.
Right from www.apple.com/itunes "while you're browsing your own music, the MiniStore will automatically show you more music from your favorite artists that you can find at the iTunes Music Store." If you don't like it, don't use it. It's not being deceptive about what it does, which is why it's not spyware. You didn't bother reading what the software clearly states it does, and now your mad about it. How does that make sense.
You know if this was Sony or Microsoft there would be howls of anger and the pitchforks and torches would already be out. Apple does it and; "hey, they're swell guys but I don't know how comfortable I am about this".
If the crack dealer I see on the corner were to pull a gun out of his pocket, I'd go for cover. If my brother pulled a gun out of his pocket I'd probably say something like, "hey what is that gun you're carrying?" The reason for this is because I know my brother and have some level of trust in him. I might say, "hey put that away" if I felt it was inappropriate. I feel that what Apple has done is inappropriate. They should have issued a privacy policy that explains what they do and don't do with the information they are collecting. They should have had the feature disabled by default (even if they included a big "enable ministore suggestions" button). That said, Sony has a history of doing unethical things, as does MS. Apple has a much better record. Thus, I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are probably not data mining. If that proves not to be the case, I'll be more skeptical of them in the future.
I can't believe people are focusing on this, however. I mean sure, this is pseudo-spyware (not malware), but Apple just released machines that implement EFI. I'm much more concerned about the "trusted computing" possibilities of the new firmware than I am about iTunes. One might let them collect data about the songs listened to using freeware they distribute (with an easy option to turn it off). The other might allow them to restrict your actions on the hardware you buy, after the purchase. I'm tentatively giving them the benefit of the doubt there too, but it is certainly a much more pressing concern than iTunes phoning home.
Usually, the way to handle something like this is to leave the feature disabled, unless you've asked the user or they explicitly enable it. The problem is that it is enabled by default, without asking the user.
I once signed my real name and number on one of those, and I got zilch that I could tell was from filling it out. No mail, no phonecalls ... nothing.
But as I've read more about the grocery store industry I'm thinking more and more that those 'club' cards aren't much about tracking consumers as in identifying the gross number of unique shoppers that use the club card.
The reason being, is that the way grocery stores work is a little counter-intuitive. You would think that some shopper for safeway goes out, finds some variety of products , then places them on the shelves in such a way that the more profitable are chest level.
The actual mechanics are much more complex. Food suppliers will actually pay money to have their products on the ends of the isles, in the best position on the space. I'm pretty sure there's a little buying and selling on the part of Safeway, but I suspect the real situation is more like the suppliers are renting the space out to put their products on.
The store brand then is the way the store makes money on the actual product not on just the shelf space.
Therefore, the club cards are something that safeway charges for. Products become club specials, not when safeway finds a crate going bad, or found a good deal, but when the supplier pays safeway to put them on the club. So, Safeway really doesn't care about the information behind the card, (My last couple of club cards I got, they just handed me a new card, I didn't have to fill out anything). All safeway cares about is how often the card is used, so they can tell their suppliers how great it would be if they put their products on the club card.
This new feature puts up a little pane in the iTunes window that shows songs related to the song you are currently playing. There is no indication that I can find that the iTunes Music Store is actually storing that information. It's unlikely that Apple could store that kind of volume of information, given that it happens on selection, not on playing.
But I don't think people should worry. You can simply press one button and iTunes stops doing it (the disclosure button on the left side of the bottom button bar). It's pretty simple to verify that your computer isn't sending any data on track selection or play when that window is not added, so in general you only get this information when you ask for it. Further, all it has to go on are the identifying tags in the music, and these can be easily changed, so it's not something that could ever hold up in any sane court if someone came at you with a lawsuit. Then again, sanity doesn't seem to be a prerequisite these days, so our milage may vary.
Don't get me wrong, I am not to happy about this feature because it's effectively embedding ads in iTunes. They're pretty well targeted, but they're ads. Still, the article seemed to overreact to what iTunes is doing.
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It still gets me when they try to do the whole "Have a nice day Mr. ___" after you pay them, take a look at the name, pause, and then give up on the whole tactic altogether.
But no one every told me about personal responsibility. I blame society and the government!
The button is the fourth from the right at the bottom of the iTunes window. It turns off the Mini Store.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak