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UK Judge: Who needs software patents?

Glyn Moody writes "C|Net has a surprising story about a seminar given by a top judge at the U.K.'s Court of Appeal who specializes in intellectual-property law. According to the article, he has "questioned whether software patents should be granted, and has criticized the U.S. for allowing "anything under the sun" to be patented." Is the tide turning?"

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  1. Pay for the Progress Bar You Use! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While this judge's message may seem absurd, remember to pay royalties when you code a progress bar in your application.

    That's right, a whole lot of people owe William S. Andreas and Jeffery P. Foster of IBM a whole lot of money.

    Oh, and this was filed in the U.S. but approved by a European patent office so I don't think it's fair for this judge to bash only us Yanks.

    My church had a fundraiser once and I believe they used a progress bar on a website to track their earnings ... I should e-mail Mr. Andreas and Mr. Foster--the Catholic Church has got deep pockets!

    Say, have any of you Java swing programmers ever typed

    JProgressBar myJPB = new JProgressBar();

    ? Because I was thinking of starting a patent lawyer career, I just need you to reply with your name, contact information and the application you used it on and distributed.

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    1. Re:Pay for the Progress Bar You Use! by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Funny

      A baking thermometer is prior art.

    2. Re:Pay for the Progress Bar You Use! by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, because a baking thermometer does not track progress. During baking the temp usually remains constant.

      However, using a visual representation of a thermometer to track the progress of a school backing sale to fund the cheerleaders trip to Washington for cheerleading finals would qualify as prior art of the concept at least.

      What really stinks is how ideas that have been in use in various forms for years, decades or even centuries are suddenly now new and novel becuase they are used on a computer. The word "non-obvious" has been completey removed as a screening criteria from the patent process. :(

      That type of patenting must be stopped and all previous such obvious patents reversed.

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    3. Re:Pay for the Progress Bar You Use! by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, because a baking thermometer does not track progress. During baking the temp usually remains constant.
      The temperature of the oven, yes. The temperature of the food, no. Food doneness is usuallly checked by the temperature in the middle of the food: 140-180F for various meats, and a little over 200F for bread.

  2. Huh? by Sneftel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the tide turning?

    No. Judges aren't The Borg. One judge's opinion (and that's little-o opinion, not an opinion handed down) is hardly a watershed event.

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    1. Re:Huh? by bitkari · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No. Judges aren't The Borg. One judge's opinion (and that's little-o opinion, not an opinion handed down) is hardly a watershed event

      But this Judge's opinion is quite representative of the concerns of many in Europe. Remember that the EU software patent directive was rejected by a margin of over 600 votes.

      If the concerns of people such as Sir Robin Jacob are well publicised, this can only help educate the public at large and inform the MEPs who vote on such matters.

    2. Re:Huh? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If software companies everywhere in the world except the US can disregard software patents then this will mean:
      1. Software development in the US will be more expensive, and/or
      2. Software sold in the US will be more expensive
      I can think of at least one company with a very large lobbying fund that would not be too happy to see this. Currently, software patents are tolerated by US businesses based on the belief that they will be valid in the rest of the world eventually, and the US will have an advantage since they were allowed to start collecting them before anyone else. If it looks like this is not going to be the case, then I can see a lot of pressure placed on the government to revoke them.
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  3. Turning tide by ClippySay · · Score: 5, Funny

    / You look like you are trying to turn   \
    | the tide. Turning the tide is patented |
    | by Microsoft and is not implemented    |
    | yet. Shall I call the police? Feds?    |
    \ BSA?                                   /
            \     ____
             \   / __ \
              \  O|  |O|
                 ||  | |
                 ||  | |
                 ||    |
                  |___/

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  4. Immediately thereafter ... by athomascr · · Score: 5, Funny
    According to the article, he has "questioned whether software patents should be granted, and has criticized the U.S. for allowing "anything under the sun" to be patented."
    Immediately thereafter, the USPTO approved a patent on his questions.
  5. Why NOT allow Software Patents by jglazer75 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't seem to me that the patent process is inherently ill-suited to software. In fact, it's a far better fit than copyright because of the nature of the resultant work. The patent system requires full disclosure of the invetion (the copyright laws do not) and the term is definite (20 years v at least 70 years for copyright). With the copyright system (the only system left for protection if patents are withdrawn), there is no disclosure, so you end up with DRM to protect access to copyrighted elements even though not all the elements are copyrightable. However, circumventing the DRM to discover non-copyrightable elements is either a violation of the law or it is a violation of the EULA that you agreed to. If the software could only be patented, the applicant would be required to disclose the entirety of the invention and thereby promoting science. It would, by definition, only allow those elements that are protectable to be protected and the patent would clearly disclose what those are. Copyright laws only act to obfuscate the promotion of science.

    The problem with software patents is not that patenting is ill-suited but rather that discovery of prior art and laziness by the PTO have resulted in questionable patents being issued. Even this isn't a problem, because when challenged and scrutinized those patents that are bad are discarded and those that are good are upheld. The problem lies in the cost to litigate this - essentially ensuring that the "little guy" must bow to the pressures of the multi-national corporation.

    Instead, maybe the PTO should adopt a cheap ex-parte reconsideration procedure (to my knowledge only the applicant can request reconsideration for a patent that is denied) that lasts for the lifetime of a patent where the challenger only needs to present some evidence of a patent-destroying issue. This would eliminate the huge costs of trying the patent in a court of law and make the process a little more fair. If there is evidence of non-obviousness or prior use for a "progress bar" the patent will destroyed, otherwise, why shouldn't the patentee be rewarded for his new and novel invention (it should be to his benefit that such an invention is widely used!)

  6. Re:Fat, Ignorant American Assholes by Bezben · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thats funny, I was always under the impression that the US got into world war 2 after they were attacked, a few years after it started... My history has always been shakey though.