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Smart Elevators Coming to Seattle

coaxial writes "Fujitec has unveiled a new elevator system for Seattle's Metropolitan Park West Tower. The new system uses touchpanels to group users by destination. Riders may wait slightly longer for the proper car, but the overall ride is shortened because the car stops less."

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  1. Sweet Zarquon by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, down is nice...

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    1. Re:Sweet Zarquon by gold23 · · Score: 5, Funny

      My sole reason for clicking on this article was to see how far down the page I would need to go to get to the HHGG Sirius Cybernetics Corp. reference.

      Thank you for not making me scroll at all.

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    2. Re:Sweet Zarquon by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Before opening a story, I sometimes bet myself how far down the obvious comment will appear. Within ten, three, etc top level comments. I didn't even bother this time! Still, where are these smart elevators coming from and if they're so smart, why are they in Seattle??

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  2. Real World may hold surprises by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:
    "One lady walked up to the kiosk, and I told her to enter her floor number, and she said, 'That's ridiculous,' " said Tim Mooney, Fujitec's west regional vice president, who was in Seattle for the launch.

    The real-world functionality of this system should be an interesting battle between computer-simulated idealism and human greed. Ideally, everyone will be happy if their overall travel time decreases. But in reality, each one of the riders wants to have the fastest possible time all to himself, to heck with averages. The easiest way to game the system might be to simply enter your floor number over and over, to fool the computer into thinking there's an increased demand for that floor. Voila, private elevator!

    It's almost like a test case for the collapse of communism. If everyone simply gave according to their abilities and received according to their needs, everyone would get to work sooner. But as soon as one guy punches his floor a dozen times and gets his private car delivered, the whole darned thing breaks down.

    Or to put it another way, in Soviet Russia, Elevator calls YOU!

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    1. Re:Real World may hold surprises by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it would work the same way as the elevators do now. The more you press the button, the faster it comes. :)

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    2. Re:Real World may hold surprises by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      The easiest way to game the system might be to simply enter your floor number over and over, to fool the computer into thinking there's an increased demand for that floor.

      Heck, I do that now! The elevator definitely gets there faster!

    3. Re:Real World may hold surprises by yobjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You actually bring up a good point - what's to stop a single user from registering 10 full lifts worth of demand for his own stop by repeatedly entering the destination floor at the kiosk? Maybe if sensors are installed in the doorway, it can estimate how many people leave the elevator at a floor, and compare that to the demand originally registered at the kiosk. The predictive logic software could then learn which floor has the highest number of selfish arseholes, and adjust their service accordingly :)

    4. Re:Real World may hold surprises by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Try holding the door-close button while pressing your floor.

      http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/02/elevator-hackin g/

      A friend of mine got a job with the elevator repair union (you have to know someone to get in) and he's confirmed this is true for some models.

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    5. Re:Real World may hold surprises by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do this.

      I've been in super-busy hotels during conventions and the best advice you can give anyone is to just get in the elevator if there's space.

      Doesn't matter if it's going up or down, just get in. It will get where you're going eventually.

      From my anecdotal experience, I'd be coming back past the floor I had been on and I'd see the same people I had left behind. Only now the elevator is full.

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  3. Felon Car coming right up! by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "The predictive logic in our software acts like neurons in our body, parking (the elevators) at certain floors, knowing where the demand might be at certain times."

    Hmmm, I smell an upgrade coming.. incorporate fingerprint scanning software into the touchpad.. and send an elevator car full of convicted felons crashing to the earth...

    *EXCELLENT*

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  4. Oh God... by john83 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next, they'll give it a personality. A cheerful personality.

    At this rate, Douglas Adams will overtake Clarke as the SF writer who predicts the future.

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  5. Finally! by scovetta · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's so good to be alive these days. The hours I spend each day riding up to the 9th floor of my building could be exchanged for time spent waiting on the ground floor with dozens of other (now happy) travelers.

    Thank you, Smart Elevator Company!

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  6. Waiting by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Riders may wait slightly longer for the proper car"
    To me, once you're riding time appears to go by quickly, it's the waiting for the damn thing in the first place that's frustrating.

    Human nature I suppose.
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  7. Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Way back in the day I used to do some IT work for a company that made elevator buttons for the big elevator companies. It was one of the oddest companies you had ever seen.

    I used to ask them why the basic "up/down" button was never replaced with a better control system -- you could request the floor you wanted to go to on the outside of the elevator instead of the inside. Sure it would cost more (needing buttons at every floor) but you could prioritize the elevator's path, saving money and time in the long run.

    They told me it would never happen -- elevators would always be as they were. I guess he was mostly right, since it is now 10 years later and we still have up/down buttons, long waits, and no real efficiency in destination planning. I actually used to consider about once a year writing a paper on sorting the elevator destinations real time based on where people were and where they would be heading.

    I'm surprised it finally happened.

    A few things I wish elevators had (some jokingly just out of frustration):

    1. On/off toggle. The idiot that hits the call button ten times would only toggle the button on and off 5 times. Let him wait, I hate the clicking sound.

    2. On/off toggle in the elevator. Have you had the kid hit 10 buttons? I have. Many times. Have you had some idiot hit a few buttons by accident? I get it every week. Not that I'm in a rush, but come on, think before you hit a button.

    3. Early elevator arrival notification. Tell me which elevator will be the one I'll be entering. I've been in some buildings where I'll miss 3 elevators because they don't notify you which one to wait by. Maybe they do this to prevent people from crowding the doors, but I'd rather people learn etiquette than have the crazy rushes you see in some Chicago lobbies.

    4. VIP floor access. Pay $1 and get to your floor immediately.

    5. BING muting. Have you been in these elevators that have to BING at every floor, even when you're going to the 33rd from the 1st? Yeesh, give me a mute button.

    6. Free spray deodarant in each elevator. Talk about needing to teach people etiquette.

  8. This is NOT New technology... by RedLeg · · Score: 4, Informative

    The elevators in the Marriott Marquis on Times Square work exactly like this, and they have been there for a while.

    --RED

    1. Re:This is NOT New technology... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm staying in the Marquee as I write this, and I can say this is the stupidest system for elevators I've ever seen.

      When it gets very busy, which is in theory when this system should be most effective, it breaks down completely. Here's what happens: All the people who are confused and tired of waiting for their elevator rush to any elevator that opens, not realizing it may not be going to their floor. Then the people who actually know how the system works can't get on their elevator, and have to rekey their floor and then be told to wait for a different elevator. And then the whole process repeats.

      It is somewhat hilarious to watch people get on the elevator, reach for the non-existent floor buttons inside the car, then look around confused as the doors close and they are whisked off to some random floor nowhere near their destination.

  9. best solution by minus_273 · · Score: 4, Funny

    i think the best solution to this problem would be to upgrade it to web 2.0 using AJAX and an RSS/Atom feed.

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  10. heh by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Funny

    "One lady walked up to the kiosk, and I told her to enter her floor number, and she said, 'That's ridiculous,'

    Apparently my mother-in-law was in Seattle this week.

  11. Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the BING sounds are for the benefit of blind riders, who can count the number of BINGs to determine which floor they're on. The same goes for the one-BING-for-up, two-BING-for-down tones that accompany each door opening.

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  12. They had this back in 2001 by ndansmith · · Score: 4, Funny
    Open the elevator doors, HAL.

    I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

  13. Social Psychology by tktk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In one of my social psychology classes, my professor told us that had been called in as a consultant to the college's elevator system. The elevator system in one building was extremely slow and it would take too much work to replace it.

    Instead of messing with elevator, my prof used a bit of social psychology. He had mirrors installed next to the elevator on every floor. Apparently, the self-absorbed students and faculty looked at themselves in the mirrors while waiting for the elevator, and lost track of their waiting time. From what I remember, complaints about the slow elevators got reduced to about 1/2.

    1. Re:Social Psychology by spoonyfork · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He had mirrors installed next to the elevator on every floor.

      I had an industrial organizational psychology course at university and our prof told us the same story. I was going to share it until I read yours. I somehow doubt we attended the same university much less had the same professor. Could this be a psych course urban legend?

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    2. Re:Social Psychology by Peldor · · Score: 4, Funny
      Instead of messing with elevator, my prof used a bit of social psychology. He had mirrors installed next to the elevator on every floor. Apparently, the self-absorbed students and faculty looked at themselves in the mirrors while waiting for the elevator, and lost track of their waiting time. From what I remember, complaints about the slow elevators got reduced to about 1/2.

      If he put the mirror on the floor, I bet no one would have complained about the elevator.

  14. Oblig. Family Guy by Radres · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stewie: "Yes, we all love 'Mr. Plow'! Oh, you've got the song memorized, do you? SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE! That is exactly the kind of idiot you see at Taco Bell at 1 in the morning!"

    Seriously, just because there was a Simpsons about Homer riding in an elevator, does it necessitate quoting?

  15. Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    • On/off toggle in the elevator. It's a standard Otis option, but it's not ordered much.
    • Early elevator arrival notification. Tell me which elevator will be the one I'll be entering. It's common to have lobby level "This car up" signs, controlled by the dispatching system. But above the lobby level, it's rare.
    • VIP floor access That's more common than you might think. It's called a "priority hall call station" in the elevator industry, and is usually an RFID or swipe card reader.