IBM Brings IM Together

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Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Monday January 23, 2006 @07:27AM from the working-together-against-corporate-religion dept.

An anonymous reader writes "At their Lotusphere conference, IBM announced IM interoperability with AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo!, and Google Talk, to be shipped in the next release of its Sametime enterprise IM/web conferencing product in mid-2006." The omission of Microsoft's instant messenger seemed to raise quite a few questions, however.

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Sametime by ender81b · 2006-01-23 07:30 · Score: 4, Informative

Sametime is actually a fairly nifty little app. It's got far better integration with notes than - say messenger does with Outlook. The ability to important groups from your address book, open a chat based on an email, schedule a web based conferenced, program bots to interface with a Lotus Notes database, etc is fairly cool.

The old version always supported an OSCAR gateway, but it's nice to have it "fully" compatible without a whole lotta effort.
1. Re:Sametime by j3110 · 2006-01-23 11:31 · Score: 1
  
  Gaim + Meanwhile
  
  It's better than the current sametime app, and I would prefer that Notes would just die already. It was a great application, but I would prefer having a sane scripting language and debugging tools. It's time for IBM to make the transition to the internet.
  
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2. Re:Sametime by rholliday · 2006-01-23 12:35 · Score: 1
  
  I really don't like Notes, so for Sametime I use NotesBuddy made by the AlphaWorks unit. It has a slim frontend for the Notes email component so I almost never have to actually open it up.
  
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3. Re:Sametime by wed128 · 2006-01-23 16:25 · Score: 1
  
  I agree. Using Meanwhile instead of the stock client saves me a bit of grief
4. Re:Sametime by ender81b · 2006-01-23 16:54 · Score: 1
  
  I'll have to check it out, hadn't heard of that one. Unfortunately my job requires heavy Notes DB work so I'll still have to open the 'ol bugger up no matter what.
Already here by ericdano · 2006-01-23 07:30 · Score: 3, Insightful

Let see, we already have all this with Trillian and Adium. Why do I need IBM doing it?

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1. Re:Already here by QQoicu2 · 2006-01-23 07:34 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Uhh, cuz Trillian is hideous. Personally I use gaim ported for WinXP, but GTK+ is pretty buggy with a lot of XP stuff (transparency, et al). I'm more than open to any new multi-network IM clients.
  
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2. Re:Already here by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 07:39 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Let see, we already have all this with Trillian and Adium. Why do I need IBM doing it?
  
  Because, as nice as those applications are, they require you to have separate accounts. is proposing an IM interopability gateway for Sametime - so you won't need a AIM or Yahoo account to talk to someone on their networks.
3. Re:Already here by Otter · 2006-01-23 07:42 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  The point of SameTime that the summary glossed over is that it's an IM component of Lotus Notes, and is integrated with the rest of the Notes environment. Also, it's a desktop sharing tool (like WebEx). Obviously this wouldn't be news if it were just a cross-network IM client.
  SameTime is easily the nicest component in the Notes suite, although anything that doesn't make you want to smash your skull through the monitor would qualify for that honor.
  
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4. Re:Already here by michelcultivo · 2006-01-23 07:44 · Score: 1
  
  And we have Gaim that's do all of the hard work and works great with various protocols.
  
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5. Re:Already here by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 07:45 · Score: 0
  
  So don't use it if you don't need it. But the rest of us aren't necessarily you.
6. Re:Already here by raadradd · 2006-01-23 07:49 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  And Miranda IM.
7. Re:Already here by ender81b · 2006-01-23 07:52 · Score: 1
  
  SameTime is easily the nicest component in the Notes suite, although anything that doesn't make you want to smash your skull through the monitor would qualify for that honor.
  
  Spoken like a true Notes pro!
  
  I do agree with you, Sametime seems to be a really well designed program with really good integration - which is downright shocking considering.
8. Re:Already here by generic-man · 2006-01-23 08:00 · Score: 1
  
  Because having choices is important. Who wrote the rule that you're only allowed to have one application per purpose per platform?
  
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9. Re:Already here by Penguin+Programmer · 2006-01-23 08:11 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Programs like Trillian and GAIM are handy and work fairly well, but if you want to have your IM set up in more than one place (say at home, at work and at school), you have to set up every account you have in each location.
  
  A much better solution is Jabber with transports. My AIM and MSN settings and buddylists are saved on the Jabber server, and all I have to do is login to my Jabber account. Considering the multitude of Jabber clients available (open protocol for the win!), this is a much easier system for those of us who regularly use computers in more than one location.
10. Re:Already here by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · 2006-01-23 08:16 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Let see, we already have all this with Trillian and Adium. Why do I need IBM doing it?
  
  The difference is one is a client and one is a server/service. Ideally, IM will become like e-mail using standard protocols. Anyone can check any server using any client. In the beginning this was not the case, until the major players agreed to start using standards. Now you can use mutt or outlook access e-mail from AOL or Comcast using SMTP and POP hosted on Sendmail or Communigate.
  
  This is IBM saying that their service and servers and client will all start recognizing the SIP standard. This means you can get messages from users of IBM's service even if you are using Trillian with your AIM account. Further, if you are using IBM's service, you won't need to sign up for multiple accounts with AOL, ICQ, Yahoo, etc. to be able to chat with people using those services. With Google, IBM, AOL, Yahoo all starting to provide interoperability we are finally starting to get out of walled gardens and moving towards open, interoperable standards. This is very good news for anyone who uses IM and would like it to be more useful and have more possible people they can contact and it is good news for people running secure IM servers using IBM software. They will not be able to communicate with the outside world.
  
  Note, all of this excepts MSN who don't believe in open standards of communication or something.
11. Re:Already here by jojo1835 · 2006-01-23 09:21 · Score: 1
  
  You need it for one reason... logging at the firewall. Any company (especially those in the financial or healthcare industries) that lets its employees chat with IM to any public IM service and doesn't log it is crazy. With a gateway, I'm sure that Lotus will give you the ability to log this at the firewall and make sure Mary from the admin department isn't sending out credit card numbers because her boss didn't give her the $.10 (US) raise that she asked for.
  
  Right now, there aren't any large companies that provide logging / archiving at the firewall. If IBM does it, it'll be pretty impressive.
  
  What I can't figure is how the licensing is going to work. AOL, Yahoo, they make money from sending annoying ad's to your IM client. With Gaim / Trillian, you don't get these ads. How are these companies going to make their money if IBM owns the client? I'm sure that if I deploy IBM's solution, I don't want my users getting ads about the next new summer blockbuster.
  
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12. Re:Already here by elFarto+the+2nd · 2006-01-23 09:39 · Score: 1
  
  Ofcourse Gaim, Adium and Miranda IM all use Meanwhile for their sametime libraries.
  
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13. Re:Already here by CFrankBernard · 2006-01-23 11:46 · Score: 1
  
  I *think* you meant http://www.adiumx.com/ (for Mac OS X).
  The site www.adium.com is about "financial, management, consulting and investment services"
14. Re:Already here by Astroboy! · 2006-01-23 12:34 · Score: 1
  
  Microsoft.
  
  Oh, wait. You said "per platform". But don't you know there's only one platform?
15. Re:Already here by generic-man · 2006-01-23 13:55 · Score: 1
  
  Microsoft made Gaim and Trillian? No wonder they're so terrible on Windows.
  
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16. Re:Already here by urbaer · 2006-01-23 16:48 · Score: 1
  
  The keynote is available at the Sametime Forum.
  The Sametime part kicks in at page 31ish.
  
  Ed Brill also has some stuff up (including the sametime song).
17. Re:Already here by Bert64 · 2006-01-23 22:29 · Score: 1
  
  That's why Jabber is such a good idea... It works very much like email, you can use any provider and communicate with any other. Companies seem to make plenty of money providing email services, so providing jabber in the same way would work too.
  
  So just like email, you will get free providers, value-add paid providers, your local isp providing the service, vanity domains etc... And because there's no single user database, you won't need to have a username like bert432489237489327.
  
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Y? by Trip+Ericson · 2006-01-23 07:31 · Score: 1

But isn't Yahoo working on being able to talk to MSN? If so, does that make MSN compatibility moot?
1. Re:Y? by Total_Wimp · 2006-01-23 07:59 · Score: 1
  
  But isn't Yahoo working on being able to talk to MSN? If so, does that make MSN compatibility moot?
  
  Microsoft Live Communication Server and its Public IM Connectivity should do this. It links LCS with Yahoo, AOL and MSN Messenger. We're about to do a pilot so I'll have more details the next time the subject comes up, but as of now it sure looks like it unifies all the biggest players with your corporate IM and a single account.
  
  Cost, $1-$2 per user, per month, plus servers, server licenses etc. Not free, and maybe not cheap, depending on your view of things, but definately something to consider if you want it all in one place.
  
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No Skype instant messaging either by ewg · 2006-01-23 07:33 · Score: 1

No mention of Skype instant messaging in the article, either. As far as I know, Skype is not Jabber-compatible. I need Skype for various contacts nowadays, especially Europeans.

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1. Re:No Skype instant messaging either by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 12:35 · Score: 0
  
  Switch to Gizmo, which is SIP and Jabber based. It's compatible with dozens of networks and clients on multiple platforms, as opposed to Skype, which locks you into a client and a network.
  
  Get your contacts to switch, too. Skype is passé.
all I have to say is by chameleon3 · 2006-01-23 07:39 · Score: 0

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
1. Re:all I have to say is by un1xl0ser · 2006-01-23 07:51 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  I agree.
  
  IBM should put all of their effort (and donate Sametime specs/source) to the meanwhile project. People could then create GAIM plugins, or just link their custom code to the meanwhile library.
  
  This is what IBM told me to use when I complained about their lack of a Linux Sametime client @ Linuxworld 2005 (Boston). It was durring their "Linux on the desktop" panel, which was kind of ironic.
  
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2. Re:all I have to say is by perdelucena · 2006-01-23 08:33 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  There is a myriad of SameTime Clients for Linux: ICT, Sanity, SameTime (on Wine), Meanwhile plugin for GAIM, SameTime plugin for workplace....
3. Re:all I have to say is by Halo- · 2006-01-23 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  I work at IBM. (but don't speak for them)
  Internally we have a quite nice GAIM plugin which I use constantly. It also integrates with our corporate LDAP directory, so you can get all sorts of info about your contacts. There is also a Java client (which I haven't used), and a whole suite of Java based tools called the ICT (IBM Community Tools) which do all kinds of IM-type things on top of simple messaging. (Which I find annoying... it's things like directed broadcasts to interest groups... that sort of thing)
4. Re:all I have to say is by un1xl0ser · 2006-01-23 15:13 · Score: 1
  
  Meanwhile has since improved a lot, that is true. My problem is that IBM, when you contact them about this, does NOT help you in this matter. I am not sure if ICT works with our Sametime server, it seemed like something different when I looked at it.
  
  What I want is:
  1) Sametime Chat
  2) Lookup for users.
  3) Support for DL based groups
  4) Support for screen sharing.
  
  It kind of thick to offer an enterprise service, but not release software yourself. And the Java client blows goats.
  
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ICT? by darkmayo · 2006-01-23 07:39 · Score: 3, Interesting

Sounds like the inhouse app that IBM people made "IBM Community Tools", Sametime backend with MSN, Yahoo, AOL functionality along with tons of really cool stuff and community building. (Skilltap for the win)

Bit of a resource hog but it is pretty nice.

If they are releasing this for public consumption I think it would be a good idea.

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1. Re:ICT? by perdelucena · 2006-01-23 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  ICT also has an VOIP client, desktop sharing and many other cool features beside IM.
2. Re:ICT? by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 09:26 · Score: 0
  
  Looks like it could be a combination of the best of ICT and Notes Buddy. Notes Buddy gives the "breakthroughs ... include bouncing GIFs and smiley faces". But ICT does give something different to standard IM even if it is a resource hog. Hopefully Sametime will be able to do ICT stuff while still having a smallish impact on system resources.
Cross-platform too by Anakron · 2006-01-23 07:44 · Score: 1

I like how this is going to be available on all platforms. Yahoo's own linux client, by comparison, is still stuck in the stone ages.

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Finally some linux support by yamamushi · 2006-01-23 07:47 · Score: 1

Finally some webcam support on linux maybe?

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1. Re:Finally some linux support by WhiteFoxBR · 2006-01-23 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  Sure. You can try Kopete (part of KDE), gaim-vv or the new gaim 2.0 beta.
  Or wait for IBM, of course ;)
2. Re:Finally some linux support by aconbere · 2006-01-23 08:37 · Score: 1
  
  Gaim 2.0 won't have the vv components ported into it, and thus there is very little likelyhood (if any at all) that it will interface with video this version.
  
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Jabber by BigZaphod · 2006-01-23 08:23 · Score: 1

One of the original ideas behind Jabber was that it could unite the various IM systems together under the banner of a common protocol via the use of the transport mechanism. It seems unfortunate to me how that never really took off and instead that same work has been replicated on the client side so many times with Gaim, Trillian, Adium, etc.

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1. Re:Jabber by Bert64 · 2006-01-24 02:21 · Score: 1
  
  Well client->server could be any protocol, so long as the backend server supported the jabber server to server protocol... Now that gtalk has opened up server to server, and they're planning on producing interoperability with AOL, what's the chances that AOL will implement a jabber server to server system that ties in to their proprietary backend systems?
  
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wrong by Kwiik · 2006-01-23 08:30 · Score: 2, Informative

Because this is a corporate suite that also allows you to gather your co-workers together locally, without them needing to be on any other IM service. and for the record, having used this at IBM, I can tell you that you DO need accounts for all of the other services.. and, actually, MSN integration is in at IBM, it's just not going out on production for licensing reasons.

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What about Workplace? by FatSean · 2006-01-23 09:07 · Score: 1

I believe IBM® Workplace(TM) Collaboration Services is the desired destination. Based on Eclipse.

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B/C. by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 10:10 · Score: 0

nt.
Insertion of Charts by serodores · 2006-01-23 11:23 · Score: 1

The feature that got the biggest applause was ability to embed graphs and charts into IM messages. That enables a user to discuss a spreadsheet or chart with his or her buddy.
Is this the only instant message client that has this capability? There are several that support slapping in GIFs on the fly to buddies in the chat window, but how about actual charts/graphs that aren't natively in an image format?
1. Re:Insertion of Charts by Anonymous Coward · 2006-01-23 23:52 · Score: 0
  
  It's not just gifs. You can share an application or a document with multiple people not just being able to see but also contribute. So, this enables collaborative document creation, meetings, presentations, etc. to be as effective as face to face.
Sametime already integrates with AIM by I_M_Noman · 2006-01-24 09:04 · Score: 1

We use Sametime 3.0, and we have AIM integration. Would be nice to have Yahoo availability, though.