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Sony To Bundle UMDs With DVDs

Eurogamer has the word that Sony is planning to bundle UMD versions of movies with DVDs in order to increase the public's exposure to the PSP-specific format. From the article: "From March 28th, PlayStation Portable owners will be able to purchase DVD-UMD bundles for movies The Grudge, Resident Evil, Underworld, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and The Terminator. April 25th will see the arrival of Ghostbusters, Mad Max, The Fifth Element and Snatch, and more bundles will follow in May."

93 comments

  1. oh noes by KingVance · · Score: 1

    Lets all rush out to buy sony PSPs so we can have something to do with that extra silly disk.

    1. Re:oh noes by Tweekster · · Score: 0

      People complained that an extra disc would need to be purchased. now they complain that it is a useless disc

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    2. Re:oh noes by Cyphertube · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because we thought buying an extra disc for the PSP was stupid, which it is.

      Now we're just voicing the fact that when buy DVDs we'll have a useless disc because, well, we weren't going to buy a PSP anyway.

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    3. Re:oh noes by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I read the title as "Sony to bundle UXBs with DVDs". My bad.

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    4. Re:oh noes by generic-man · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then don't buy the bundle. You can buy The Fifth Element, The Fifth Element Superbit Edition, The Fifth Element Special Edition With Limited Edition Foil Packaging, and the new Fifth Element DVD-UMD bundle. Gas up the SUV and head down to Best Buy -- there's media to buy!

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    5. Re:oh noes by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't afford to gas up my car.... I blew my paycheck on the first three DVD editions of the Fifth Element. :sigh:

      I guess it isn't that far a walk.

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  2. Finally! by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally! Coasters for my shot glasses!

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    1. Re:Finally! by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Funny
      Finally! Coasters for my shot glasses!

      How unimaginative. Take a stanley knife to these things: free shuriken. Then you can flip out like a ninja, 'cos that's what ninjas do!

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    2. Re:Finally! by paeanblack · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that read the article title as:
      Sony to Bundle WMDs with DVDs

      talk about draconian DRM...

    3. Re:Finally! by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I had that double-take moment too. It struck me as a very sony thing to do...

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    4. Re:Finally! by conigs · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Finally! by JavaMoose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Creative? Depending on the cost difference, I would rather sell the UMD on eBay. Now, if the UMD/DVD bundle is $50 - that's a different story...

    6. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Except my first thought was, wow there's going to be a glut of underpriced UMDs on eBay now - yay!

  3. Will they ever uncripple the video? by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is all well and good, but it still doesn't make the psp an attractive video player, to steal from a comment I made earlier:
    Multimedia:Theoretically, this is where the PSP should really shine what with that oh so sexy screen. However, there are tons of devices that do it better, not the least of which is the iPod video. How can the iPod video do it better? Simple, unless you are watching UMDs Sony limits you to 320x240 for your movies, the exact same as resolution as an iPod. And if you are watching movies it makes no sense not to buy the giga-pack, priced at $299, the same price as the 40 gigabyte iPod. Now granted the battery life while watching movies is short on the iPod, but for most commuters 2 hours a charge is more than enough. And if you don't want to watch movies, you can still store a ton of music on the iPod. I would love to watch "Kill Bill" on that sexy psp screen, but I have already paid $50 to watch Kill Bill in other formats: $12.50 to see the first one in Japan, $7.50 for a matinee to see the 2nd one, and about $15 for the DVDs. I refuse to spend another $50($25 a UMD) just so I can watch the same content again. Sony artificially limiting the movie playback on the device killed it for me. I'm willing to buy a movie once, but I refuse to buy it multiple times just so I can watch it in different formats.

    1. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by Claws+Of+Doom · · Score: 4, Informative

      While accepting that there's no good reason except pushing the UMD format for crippling the video, there's plenty of good software out there to convert from DVD to a format suitable (and eminently watchable) for the PSP. Sounds like you need DVD Decrypter and PSP Video 9. These might help: http://seamonkey420.tech-recipes.com/psp/dvd_to_ps p.html http://www.pspvideo9.com/ I live in a country that allows me to view the video as I please, having bought a copy of it. Just make sure you do to... (And yes, I advocate emigrating)

    2. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Video iPod? Hah! If I want to watch a movie on the go I just encode it to 320x480 (whichever comes first) resolution and watch it on my Palm ($300+card). No problems at all. On modern CPUs reencoding is fast (up to several times the "normal" flow). One gig SD card takes _several_ movies in very good quality. And if don't want bothering with reencoding there's a good chance that 700MB AVI would play nicely as it is.

      Now if Sony would not be arrogant assholes and just used miniDVDs (3") and MPEG4 codec then maybe I would've had a second thought. As it stands now. No, thanks.

      And unlike PSP, Palm fits nicely in any pocket.

    3. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm a American living in Germany, and I have no qualms about ripping dvds I own. But I just don't want to spend all that money on a screen I cannot use unless I rebuy....
      Plus I watch a lot of Mystery Science Theatre, harder to watch at lower resolutions.

    4. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by BewireNomali · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dude I totally agree with you.

      I've been watching video on a mobile since my Tungsten C.

      I walk around with 2 gig SD cards. One is music - one is loaded with various vids. My HP pocket PC serves all of my needs in one device - not to mention bluetooth (for DUN, etc) and Wi-fi for hotspots. ebooks, audiobooks, spreadsheets, instant messaging, etc. It's such a great device to have. In the past two years, all of my friends are $1000+ in on Apple products - and they make fun of me for being a holdout. I on the other hand - am in $400 (300 for the pocket pc - 100 for two gig sd cards) during the same span.

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    5. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want a video player without a hard drive, there can be only one solution: GP2X. It's ARM9 powered, has 64MB RAM, USB2, SD, and the aforementioned QVGA-res TFT. It will do about 2500kbps video, which is enough to play your average MPEG4 movie (MPEG 4, Dvix 3.11,4x,5x, and Higher, XVID) without recoding at a lower resolution. It will play back 6 hours of video or 10 hours of audio on two AA batteries - and it takes AAs! That makes me happy. On top of all this, they're only $189.99 so you can afford a big SD card or two for the price of anotherp player :) It runs Linux and they provide SDL. But best of all, it has a composite video output. You can watch it on a TV if you have one handy (and buy or make the funky little cable.) The cable's about $15.

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    6. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by wheany · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by KDR_11k · · Score: 0, Troll

      What the hell is QVGA supposed to be? Quadruple Video Graphics Adapter?

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    8. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quarter-VGA. 320x240. It's an extremely common resolution in the embedded graphics market.

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    9. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by pnice · · Score: 1

      No joke. I have an Axim and I've been using DVD to Pocket PC for a long time now. I can use SD or CF memory and it makes a movie about 100 megs. You can switch to widescreen and flip on the side. It works great for me at least.

    10. Re:Will they ever uncripple the video? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is why they insist on finding a new acronym for every resolution out there. What's wrong with writing 320x240? When I was still playing DOS games that was called VGA or EGA (depending on colour depth). Or mode 0x13. Not Quarter VGA because 320x240x8 was the most a VGA could do (of course it could do 640x480x4 but who wants 16 colours only?).

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  4. Is it just me... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...or does that list sound suspiciously close to the list of first-release Bluray discs? How many times does Sony expect customers to buy these movies? Especially the Fifth Element. I mean, it was an 'okay' movie the first time. It's still an 'okay' movie, but now it looks dated. So why do I want to rush out to buy it on VHS/DVD/DVD-UMD/Bluray? Just so I can reach five copies so that I can call them my "five elements"?

    1. Re:Is it just me... by generic-man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you assume that someone will go out and buy every edition of a movie? If someone owns a PSP and a DVD player but doesn't have a hi-def TV, then the DVD-UMD bundle might be a good buy. For a PS3 owner, the Blu-Ray disc is the better buy. Sony's movie studio owns the rights to that "suspicious" list of movies and it can milk them for all they're worth. You don't have to buy them.

      I don't own the Fifth Element on any media, so I for one appreciate the fact that my patience is going to be rewarded with a higher-definition copy of the movie.

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    2. Re:Is it just me... by iainl · · Score: 1

      The only 'suspicious' thing about that list of movies, is how poor Sony are at finding any other decent films in their back catalogue. They keep milking the same 20-odd films through special-edition after SuperBit, BluRay after UMD, in the probably mistaken idea that they are all-time classics that everyone wants to buy over and over again.

      Meanwhile, bigger studios with a long heritage, like Warners and Paramount just go back and get some more movies they haven't released before out of the vaults, because there are still tonnes of the things back there.

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    3. Re:Is it just me... by GmAz · · Score: 1

      exactly, where are the good movies. the only title there that was good was snatch. but why would i want to watch it on an iddy biddy screen. i can rip it to my pocket pc if i wanna watch it while traveling.

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  5. A small step in the right direction. by Caspian · · Score: 1

    One day, companies who control the "intellectual property" behind music, movies, games, and books (and other similar things) will realize that we only want to pay for the "content" once. Period. I don't want to have to pay $20 for a Beatles LP, then $20 for a Beatles cassette, then $20 for a Beatles CD, then $20 for a Beatles holodisc... I want to pay $20 for the Beatles LP and a license for personal use of the music on it, then-- should I want to buy a CD of it-- a reasonable fee (say, $5) for the cost of producing and distributing that CD.

    If I pay $20 for a movie on DVD, why should I have to pay another $20 for a UMD of that same movie? The UMD probably cost less than $5 to make and distribute.

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    1. Re:A small step in the right direction. by faloi · · Score: 1

      One day, companies who control the "intellectual property" behind music, movies, games, and books (and other similar things) will realize that we only want to pay for the "content" once. Period.

      They may realize it, but they're not going to have the motivation to change their business model until people STOP buying every oddball (to use your example) Beatles release out there. Besides, the companies have it down now. Paying $20 for that Lord of the Rings DVD looked real good, until the mondo extended version came out two months later. I know several people who bought the regular versions of the movies knowing the extended versions weren't far off, plus the extended versions once they came out. Lord only knows how many copies of different books they bought (I've got two or three Lord of the Rings trilogy books/book sets, I'm as guilty as anybody)

      Until we stop buying the new five extra seconds of footage DVDs after buying the oringinal (no, I'm not talking about the Lord of the Rings DVDs in this instance), they'll keep bundling them slightly differently in the hopes that we buy 'em all.

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    2. Re:A small step in the right direction. by itscolduphere · · Score: 1

      They may realize it, but they're not going to have the motivation to change their business model until people STOP buying every oddball (to use your example) Beatles release out there. Besides, the companies have it down now. Paying $20 for that Lord of the Rings DVD looked real good, until the mondo extended version came out two months later. I know several people who bought the regular versions of the movies knowing the extended versions weren't far off, plus the extended versions once they came out. Lord only knows how many copies of different books they bought (I've got two or three Lord of the Rings trilogy books/book sets, I'm as guilty as anybody)

      The largest hurdle that UMD (and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray) face is that to convince consumers that it is worth it to buy the same content in a new format, that format much significantly outperform the old. And not just in A/V quality. I never felt as apprehensive about buying CD's of albums that I owned on either cassette or vinyl, because the CD format offered more than just an increase in audio quality; it was a format that would not degrade with repeated plays and was easy to store. Same with DVD's vs. VHS. The downloading of music (both illegal and legal) has has really shown this...the quality of 128kbps records are horrid. It was about the other improvements that the format offered.

      While UMD offers portability, that portability is linked to an expensive player, and there are plenty of other options available that don't require repurchase (even on that same player!)...so I think it is doomed to be a niche product for those with too much money in their pockets. I'd say the current strategy of including them for a small fee (according to TFA about 3 bucks added to the MSRP) with standard DVDs is about the only way Sony will ever move these things in bulk.

      Personally, what amuses me the most about media companies wanting to sell me the same content twice in different formats (such as VHS/DVD, CD/Cassette, etc.) is how silly it looks now. I mean, before Napster you never heard record companies crying about how it was a "license to the content" you were buying, not the CD. It was treated as physical property, not intellectual. Yeah, they went after bootleggers, but in most areas of the US that wasn't a huge issue. So now that we're all about content licenses, I want my $5 upgrade fee to trade my VHS movies in for DVD. It can even be a "no-frills" just-the-movie-on-a-disc DVD. And yes, while some DVD's are that cheap, many still are not...and some studios will likely -never- put DVD's that cheap out (Disney, I'm looking at you).

      But no, now companies try to alternate between treating movies/music as intellectual OR physical property, whichever happens to benefit them most at the time.

    3. Re:A small step in the right direction. by skreeech · · Score: 1

      I don't think I should ever have to pay for the same material just in higher quality. It's just a rip off. All my vhs movies are obsolete but to keep enjoying them I have to keep the extra player hooked up and degrade them further or spend 20 dollars a movie for the dvd which will be replaced with ultra quality blu ray later.

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  6. UMDs With DVDs by Rapsey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have no idea what this means, but it sounds dangerous.

    1. Re:UMDs With DVDs by fossa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah right, who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government? Uppercuts of Mass Destruction.

    2. Re:UMDs With DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Udders of Mass Destruction

      starring Dirty Virile Daisy!

    3. Re:UMDs With DVDs by hawk · · Score: 1

      Not uppercuts, but Umbellas of Mass Destruction. These are the primary source of toxic rain . . .

      hawk

    4. Re:UMDs With DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if a WMD is bad, is a UMD half as bad?

    5. Re:UMDs With DVDs by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      I haven't been sleeping much lately, and I'm currently in a mildly altered state. When I first saw the headline, I saw "Sony bundles WMD's with DVD's" and thought, "what next?"

  7. It's kind of like a rebate... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You buy the DVD, sell the UMD on eBay to someone who doesn't want/need the DVD, and you both get a discount.

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  8. What? by Universal+Nerd · · Score: 3, Funny

    UMD???

    Ueapons of Mass Destruction?

    I kid of course, UMDs are Universal Media Discs, in case, like me, you had no ideia what UMDs are.

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    1. Re:What? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      It's like the iPod video, only you need a proprietary "universal" disc to watch low-res video on a screen smaller than the palm of your hand.

      Or you could buy a cheap portable DVD player at Wal-Mart for $150, have a 7" screen, and watch all the movies you already paid for in a less expensive and more compatible format.

      I've never seen a PSP. Seriously. I have never seen a single person even carrying one, and I work for an intermediate school.

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    2. Re:What? by masterzora · · Score: 1

      You mean Sony isn't the Universe?

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    3. Re:What? by daranz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but every PSP out there plays them... That's kinda universal.

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    4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to sell you a rock. It keeps tigers away.

      (holding rock) You don't see any tigers around, do you? Pay up.

    5. Re:What? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Why Universal Media Disc? A disc that only works in one player doesn't sound very universal to me.

    6. Re:What? by zoips · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not that hard to understand. Universal Media Disc, as in all forms of media can be stored and read off of the same disc. Video, audio, games, data all on one disc, a universal media disc! Crazy!

    7. Re:What? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      You mean sorta like you can with a DVD or a CD already? My question still stands.

    8. Re:What? by CapnGrunge · · Score: 2, Funny

      But *all* players of that type read it ;)

      Formal Logic 101: "Socrates is a man" is a universal proposition.

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  9. Bundling WMDs?!!? by jdfox · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh, just UMDs. Well that's a relief.
    Call me paranoid, but you just never know what zany copyright enforcement Sony's going to dream up next.

    1. Re:Bundling WMDs?!!? by thaerin · · Score: 1

      never know what zany copyright enforcement Sony's going to dream up next.

      I imagine they plan on forcing users into purchasing a PSP. Perhaps they've built something into Blueray that would allow them to "lock" the DVD if you do not have a PSP with the same-titled UMD present connected to the player.

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  10. Nope that was a STD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sexually Transmitted Disease ---> Sony Transmitted Disease

    1. Re:Nope that was a STD by Keruo · · Score: 1

      and both are spread via rooting..

      well, I guess there's no danger that anyone at slashdot would be affected

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  11. WTF is UMD? OMGWTFLMAOBBQ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to the standard journalistic practice of spelling out an acronym the first time? Is a UMD some sort of WMD? Is it something I should fear? Is it DRM? WTF is it?

  12. Heh. by deathbyzen · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else find it ironic that something named the Universal Media Disc, plays only on the PSP?

    1. Re:Heh. by wed128 · · Score: 1

      The Universal part of that acronym means the it holds Universal Media, not that the disc itself is universal. IANAPSPO.

    2. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAPSPO.

      But then again, who is a pro-surfing patent officer these days?

    3. Re:Heh. by Gertlex · · Score: 1

      Not I. Nor am I a PSP Owner.

  13. Big Marketing Shift by glindsey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This seems like a very interesting shift in their marketing. Originally, they were using the PSP to get people to buy UMDs; now it appears they're trying to do the opposite.

    Maybe they should focus on creating actually decent games for the PSP (that aren't more tired gangsta, racing, or sports simulators) to get people to buy them. I know the only game that interests me on it is Lumines, but I'm sure as heck not going to buy one just for that...

  14. UMDs can't hack it on their own. by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anyone really surprised by this? The UMD format is not catching on all that well because only one hardware platform on earth uses it. It's a reasonably popular platform but not popular enough to support its own video disc. Sony can't exactly abondon the video format on the PSP since they promised to give PSP customers a good video player in addition to a game player and I imagine they don't want to outright support playing ripped movies via memory stick for possible lack of selling the same movie 12 times (the marketspeak for this is "piracy concerns").

    So now Sony has to bungle (oops, I mean bundle) UMD videos with the DVDs if they have any prayer of establishing UMD as a vaiable format. Too bad they didn't think to do that with VHS and Betamax tapes.

    1. Re:UMDs can't hack it on their own. by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      All they need to do is create a device that burns UMDs to DVDs, and I'd consider buying a UMD movie more regularly. But they won't because god forbid I'm allowed to make a legal copy of something I bought from them, so I guess I'm just dreaming.

    2. Re:UMDs can't hack it on their own. by fwitness · · Score: 1

      It's not catching on? I don't have any hard facts, but I can go into Best Buy and there is a whole UMD section. I even saw one at my local K-Mart. For a disc that can only be used on one player by one manufacturer, that's pretty impressive. They're not going to outsell DVDs, nor is that the intent, but it looks good from this consumer's eye. This is despite the fact that I have a PSP and have never even considered buying a UMD.

      Now, as as PSP owner, I would consider buying a DVD/UMD combo. If the cost were the same or marginally higher.

      The one thing most of these posts don't see is the potential for *rentals*. I still believe these would be perfect for Airports. Rent in your departing city, drop off in mail bin netflix-style in your arriving city. Hell, you could even offer them on the plane if you'd like. They're certainly small enough.

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  15. I already own all these movies, so who cares.

    If Sony added it to new releases, and those releases didn't cost a dime extra, then fine, go right ahead.

    I can't stand watching movies on the PSP. The screen doesn't refresh as quickly as it should, and fast paced action blurs and causes me to get a headache. Sitting hunched over a small screen for more then an hour makes my neck sore.

    If Sony ever considered making the PSP connect to televisions, the UMD might have caught on, but I think this is a last ditch effort to promote yet another failed Sony media format.

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    1. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can connect the psp to a tv.
      i've seen it in a electronics shop, no problem.

  16. Overall goal? by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if I understand this correctly, Sony is bundling the UMDs with the regular DVDs to try and get the regular public more interested in the PSP, right?

    But, from the article, the bundles will cost around US$25. Most, if not all, of the movies listed are already available for $15 or so. Why would the average consumer spend an extra $10 to get another copy of a movie that they wouldn't be able to use? The only time I can see them buying this is that they either don't know what they're getting, or they have a relative with a PSP and want to get a cheap gift.

    All this will accomplish will be increasing the amount of UMDs sold, as those with both a PSP and DVD player will be more inclined to get the bundle, so he can choose when, where, and how to watch the movie. I don't see anyone buying a $200 portable gaming system because they paid an extra $10 for media for it.

    Sony can, of course, spin the result, saying that there is a higher UMD saturation in the market after the fact, or there is now a bigger system:UMD ratio.

    1. Re:Overall goal? by damsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sony was selling the UMDs for 20 bucks stand alone. So consumers can spend 25 bucks for a DVD and UMD, meaning that DVD costs 5 bucks. It makes more sense if you look at it from that perspective.

    2. Re:Overall goal? by British · · Score: 1

      And then that person can sell/trade off that unused UMD and maybe get a bit of money back.

    3. Re:Overall goal? by wfberg · · Score: 1


      Sony was selling the UMDs for 20 bucks stand alone. So consumers can spend 25 bucks for a DVD and UMD, meaning that DVD costs 5 bucks. It makes more sense if you look at it from that perspective.


      That's how Sony thinks..

      The problem is.. Sony was NOT selling the UMDs for 20 bucks stand alone. Who wants those?

      It's like saying, look, we can give you a swift kick in the groin for 20 bucks.. A DVD for 15 bucks.. OR.. a swift kick in the groin AND a DVD, for just $25! That way your DVD only costs $5! What a bargain, eh? Gotta have that! Especially if you already own a groin.

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  17. Sony, oh where is thy mind ? by billcopc · · Score: 1

    I looked at the PSP. My buddy got one the day it came out, and I was tempted, but then my brain kicked in and reminded me this is Sony. It reminded me this friggin sexy machine uses TWO proprietary Sony formats for storage, both of which my $5000 uber-PC can't even touch. The concept of movies on UMD struck me as idiotic from the very beginning. They cost the same as a full DVD, but at a tiny fraction of the resolution and image quality, plus I can't even play them on my home entertainment system. Why couldn't they have used standard 3-inch mini-DVD discs (1.46gb) ? Instead Sony went along with it's good old fashioned lock-in and invented a new format that does NOTHING more than the standards. This is like Minidisc, only worse.

    If the UMD were only used for games, then I'd treat it like game boy carts and accept it, but for them to tout the thing as a multimedia gadget..... sorry but I've been mastering my own media for over a decade, this stuff is a hard sell.

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    1. Re:Sony, oh where is thy mind ? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1
      Why couldn't they have used standard 3-inch mini-DVD discs (1.46gb) ? Instead Sony went along with it's good old fashioned lock-in and invented a new format that does NOTHING more than the standards. This is like Minidisc, only worse.

      They say two wrongs don't make a right, but in this case they could have done.

      Sony's Hi-MD was a big step up from the original MD and as it stands I can't see a better portable device for the amateur sound engineer at a similar price.

      Yet at more or less the same time they come up with the idea of the "UMD". Why? If they'd run the two projects together, they could have created a killer format -- let's call it MDu (MiniDisc universal).

      Record video on your pocket camcorder to MDu -- record your soundtrack to MDu (in your garage/bedroom/practise room) -- mix and edit on your Viao MDu Media Centre to MDu -- watch your films at home with your combined DVD-player/MDu-recorder or on the go on your PSP.

      But no -- lets have one format for each device. Wasted opportunity.

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    2. Re:Sony, oh where is thy mind ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can build an uber-PC for $5,000 but you won't spend $7 for a 29-in-1 media card reader that reads, among other things, Memory Stick Duo? Seems like someone's selectively cheap.

    3. Re:Sony, oh where is thy mind ? by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked, most media card readers supported regular MS, but not the Duo. Maybe things have changed in the 3 weeks since I quit my retail job :P

      One thing is certain, UMD will never be a rewritable format for PC's. Hell, they never even released a MD-Audio drive, instead they decided to "invent" Net-MD just so you couldn't get direct access to the media. Sony has been practicing DRM-style bull forever.

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    4. Re:Sony, oh where is thy mind ? by skreeech · · Score: 1

      you can use a digital camera type usb cord to plug the psp into the pc and read/write anything to it's memory stick.

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  18. I can see it now by steveo777 · · Score: 1
    Anybody remember those AOL CDs that just would not stop coming to your house for years and years and years...? Well, they still do that, but it sounds like Sony can't even give the things away. People are seriously going to open these DVD packs and think, "What the hell is this?"

    What's worse is that there are plenty of people that haven't even been exposed to a PSP and they'll be pissed that they paid money for something they can't use (or don't know how to use). In their minds (and in mine), "If it comes in the box, my money is paying for it. Make it cheaper and get rid of the shit I don't want." Even if the price is the same, you're pennys are paying for it, it ain't free... ugh...

    And, no, I'm not bashing the PSP. All in all it's a pretty amazing device. I'd like to own one to emulate older games, but they're too spendy for me. Doubt I'd ever watch a movie on it, though.

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    1. Re:I can see it now by Corbu+Mulak · · Score: 1

      I got a big AOL CD box today in the mail. It was much larger than the flismy little cardboard things we used to get. It might be because they bundled McAfee with it...

      It is so large, I can't even use it as a coaster. Well, I could, but it wouldn't go very well with my AOL 95 or whatever coasters.

  19. "The UMD nine millimetre!" by payndz · · Score: 1

    Wait, you mean there are still people out there who don't own The Terminator and Ghostbusters on DVD already?

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    1. Re:"The UMD nine millimetre!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reminds me, I need to buy Ghostbusters on DVD :)
      (I'll never buy Terminator though. Don't like the idea of buying an Arnold movie)

  20. Restriction of Space Shifting Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony: "Well, what's the big deal on Space-Shifting? Were giving you a bargain on this one. You don't really have to buy it twice, it's already packaged together, and now at a discount."

  21. Only if... by djward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...you want a rootkit in your whiskey...

  22. I'd rather see bundled WMDs by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    Seriously, UMDs are cool and all, but it'd be much more newsworthy if they were bundling WMDs.

    1. Re:I'd rather see bundled WMDs by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      Weapons of Mass DRM?

      I'm sure we'll see those soon enough.

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  23. Gonna bite them in the ass... hard...... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    If I won a new PS2 game and didn't have a PS2, but had any slight want of a PS2, I'd probably buy one then. If I've got a library of 20+ UMDs and nothing ot use them in, It would probably also have the same effect. But the key is you need an interest in it in the first place. In this situation, since PSP != DVD companion, They are just going to have people giving friend A with a PSP the UMD disc, and friend A will no longer have a reason to buy the movie. Good idea Sony, but not well thought out.

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  24. oh, different "MDs" by tlacuache · · Score: 1

    When I first read the title I thought it said "Sony To Bundle WMDs with DVDs." Weapons of Mass Destruction!?! So Sony's been hiding them. I knew they were hiding out there somewhere...

  25. It makes little sense by lowmagnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tell that to people who don't own a PSP. Then it makes no sense at all.

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    1. Re:It makes little sense by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and people with no eyes, even less sense to them.

      Really good point.

  26. Nice, But More Games Please by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    The bundling with DVDs is nice, but I'd like some more games too. UMD is not likely to become a very popular movie format unless it is licensed for other platforms. I like the idea of watching movies on my PSP under certain conditions, but as memory stick capacity increases along with broadband availability, distributing video on little discs makes less and less sense except as an ineffective anti-piracy measure.

  27. I have a PSP by ShaneThePain · · Score: 1

    but I also have a DVD player =\ I will probably look for these anyway.

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  28. I don't see the point by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With decent portable dvd players available as low as $100 that can play THE DVDS YOU ALREADY OWN + avis I just don't see why Sony insist with UMD.

  29. Open Source Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortunately, all these companies that insist on DRM'ing everything will soon find themselves out-competed by public demand for more open-source, unrestricted stuff. Myself, I refuse to buy a DRM'd iPod, and refuse ardently to rip my music to the iTunes format. Give me MP3 all day long.

    The PSP is now suffering from the same problem that the PS3 will soon have: feature glut. Why is it that Sony is pushing UMD's on the world? Is the PSP actually a video-player, or a game machine. From the way things have turned out, the PSP currently is a video-iPod competitor that also plays games, not the reverse.

    So then, why is it selling so badly in Japan and the US compared to the DS? Well, when you try to sell a horse by calling it a pig, you tend to confuse ppl. Sony is primarily a content creation company. No wonder they've pushed UMD's and the PS3's video-playing ability. That's what it's all about for them. And it looks like the PS3 will be the same thing. Sony never did much in-house dev'ing for the PS2, nor will it for PS3, 'cause it's all about the movies.

  30. It's a Sony thing by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the ps2 still won't play dvd-R's right because Sony's behind +R, for years their portable "mp3" players only played ATRAK and included conversion software and they're cameras (and psp) need an expensive memory stick instead of cheap flash. It's just how they do business.

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  31. Duh. Just duh. by shoptroll · · Score: 1

    I would've ridiculed PSP owners a lot less if Sony actually had the brains to do this from the get go. Rather than letting their money grabbing greed shut down all considerations of common sense. But I guess when you finally wake up and realize your portable isn't the hot stuff it's supposed to be, dreamland goes bye-bye real fast. Did they really think consumers were willing to pay for a movie twice?

    Maybe they'll realize their current marketing campaign is a joke...

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  32. actually a good way to fight piracy by good2pets · · Score: 1

    This is actually a good way to keep people from downloading movies, I would pay 15-20 bucks for the mobile and home version of a movie. As long as they dont charge way to much for it, and they include things like popular movies (not just nerd movies like resident evil, terminator fifth element etc) and more eclectic content like anime and television series I would be more than happy to buy this...it might even get me to consider buying a psp if it came down to the same price as a nitendo ds (around half what it is now).

  33. So UMDs are overpriced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at it from the point of view that a DVD costs $15 and a UMD movie costs $20 yet lacks special features that DVDs have (commentary tracks, deleted scenes, the UMD is only 1.5GB) then it's way overpriced. Instead of adding on $5 to get a DVD, take away $10 from the price and make it $5 cheaper than a DVD. Then maybe I'd buy it...