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10 Best S/F Films That Never Existed

Jamie mentioned (via a Metafilter discussion) a great article entitled The 10 Best Sci-Fi Films that Never Existed. From the piece: "There was a movie that perfectly captured the Douglas Adams experience, the combination of bitter sarcasm and sharp imagination, the droll British wit and whale-exploding slapstick that infused his novels. And that movie was Shaun of the Dead. That movie was not, unfortunately, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, a movie that floated around Hollywood for about 20 years before it finally appeared in theaters as a flat, lifeless, americanized lump that was mostly hated by people who liked the book and loathed by people who hated the book. "

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  1. Oopsie. by robyannetta · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They forgot one: Neuromancer by William Gibson.

    As a filmmaker, and after reading this book cover to cover many times, I've come to the assumption that this book is truly unfilmable. I have read a few scripts based upon it found on the 'web, one particular written by Gibson himself, but there is just absolutely no way to capture the depth of environment this novel creates.

    I don't care how big your budget is, it "ain't gonna happen."(tm)

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    1. Re:Oopsie. by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah, I don't think Neuromancer is unfilmable. You want unfilmable, try Vernor Vinge's A Deepness In The Sky.

      The principal protagonists are giant hairy carnivorous alien spiders. And you're rooting for them all the way.

    2. Re:Oopsie. by imgumbydammit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny that you should mention Vernor Vinge. Read his story True Names (published years before), then read Neuromancer again. Neuromancer seems like a bit of a rip off.

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  2. No it wouldn't.... by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Re: Snow Crash:

    It's so cinematic that I didn't just desperately want a movie to be made from it, I was always shocked they didn't make one.

    Nope, a Neal Stephenson movie wouldn't work for the same (real) reason The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy didn't work. The joy of those books is in the expository language. Even the best adaptation would still disappoint the hardcore fans.

    Imagine turning the Cap'n Crunch seen in Cryptonomicon into a movie -- Randy Waterhouse eats a bowl of cereal in a Manila hotel room. Woohoo!

  3. Matrix sequels sucked because... by IAAP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the Wachowskis thought that people went to see the movies because of the Car chases, bullets flying, and the Kung Fu fight scenes. Maybe some people did. But what got me hooked on the first was things like this line, "Knowing the path is different from walking the path." I thought, "Ooooo" these guys are going to do something different and possibly something that has a deeper meaning than, blam-blam-blam-blamblam-blam". But noooo, that's not how it turned out. And if they did it the way I thought they were going to do it, it would have cost much less and they would have made more money.

  4. Re:THGTTG by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The movie was acceptable, but for me the biggest "gotcha" was the total lack of comprehension of British humor by the directors.

    The most obvious example was Arthur Dent's conversation with Processor, or lack thereof. Of course, naming the ex-President Hamma Kavula (or however it is spelled) was seriously funny.

    And the whole scene with the Total Perspective Vortex which was a gun, where Zaphod gets "enlightened" was Hollywood-romance drivel. "Hey, I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox, man!"

    The absolute worst was the !)@#!ing 2+ minute opening scene of jumping dolphins! What a waste of celluloid!

    It just could have been so much better in the hands of a director who had a sense of humor that didn't need a laugh track to tell him what was funny.

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  5. Cap'n Crunch. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Imagine turning the Cap'n Crunch seen in Cryptonomicon into a movie -- Randy Waterhouse eats a bowl of cereal in a Manila hotel room. Woohoo!
    Yes, imagine it. Imagine trying to convey the sense that this guy has some serious issues using only his cereal ritual.

    I'd film it by putting a digital clock on the table. Hook the clock to a sensor pad. The clock starts when he puts the milk on it. Focus on how he keeps his eyes on the clock while eating.

    Then, have the phone ring. He turns to the phone and drops his spoon. He reaches down to get the spoon, gets a bit frantic when he can't grab it, then grabs it and comes up. He stares at the timer.

    "Fuck....."

    Then he gets up, washes out the bowl, focus on all the cereal in the sink's drain. He dries the bowl. He dries the spoon. Then he takes them over to the table again.

    He fills the bowl with cereal, re-sets the timer, looks up, goes to the phone and carefully unplugs it and wraps the cord around the receive. Then he goes back to the table and reaches for the milk ...

    Don't focus on eating the cereal. Focus on the person who has a ritual that complicated just for eating cereal. Focus on the effects that interupting that ritual has on that person.
  6. good author by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So what happened?

    The Chicago Cubs, that's what. The Cubs haven't won a World Series since 1908. Why? Because Cub fans sell out Wrigley Field every game, regardless of how bad the team is. Management makes money regardless of whether or not the team is winning, so why bother?

    Likewise, studios think video game fans will pile into the theater on opening weekend regardless of whether or not any effort was put into the film. Will that change? Come ask me after I've seen the Peter Jackson-produced Halo.


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  7. Missing Option by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Greedo shot first.
    - Han Solo steps on Jabba's tail without getting killed.*
    - BS explosion rings from the Death Stars.
    - Ewoks Cartoon.
    - Droids Cartoon.
    - Star Wars Christmas Special.
    - Ewoks instead of Wookies on Endor in RotJ.

    My personal pick is when Greedo shot first.

    (* Yes I know that it was because when they originally filmed the deleted scene Jabba was a man instead of a slug-like alien and Harrison Ford moved around him in ways that didn't work later, but this did sort of help break suspension of disbelief.)

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    1. Re:Missing Option by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Han Solo steps on Jabba's tail without getting killed.

      I think that's actually worse than Greedo shooting first. Sure, the Greedo scene undermines Han as cold-blooded-badass-and-not-necessarily-a-good-guy , but on the plus side it does emphasise his leet smuggler's reflexes: Greedo fires, Han gets his head out of the way of the bolt so fast even a Jedi could hardly follow it, and next thing you know Greedo's toast. Han's a dangerous guy to cross. Very Clint Eastwood.

      The scene with Jabba, though... he's trying to talk his way out of a deep, deep hole. Han owes Jabba money. Jabba's already sent murderous bounty hunters after him. Han needs to talk Jabba around. We're talking edgy diplomacy here.

      And then he steps on Jabba's tail. This we might not have noticed, it could have been fudged away, but Lucas has Jabba clearly react to it. Han's already in considerable trouble, and he's just flagrantly disrespected the biggest syndicate boss on the outer rim in front of his henchmen. Han is dead. Very, very dead. Eventually dead, after an extremely nasty interlude involving hot sharp things. His head's going up on a spike in front of Jabba's palace, and the rest of him's getting fed to the banthas.

      That scene made Star Wars just... silly. Absurd. From there on, it's downhill all the way to Jar Jar Binks.

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  8. Re:Best quote from the article by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First mention of midi-chlorians

    That had to do it for me. I was under the assumption anyone could be a Jedi if they just tried hard enough and not because of some noble upbringing or good genetics.

    Secondly, it added nothing to the movie. It isn't as if we didn't already have some knowledge of what the force was coming from the first three movies. I mean they could just have wandered by and said "I feel a strong presence in the force with this child" or something like that. Not this "let me whip out my tricorder and talk about something that wasn't mentioned in the first three films.

    Those are one of the things I hope George takes out in the first movie. Heck... Why doesn't George just do them all over again.

    "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!", pretty much sums up my Star Wars I,II,III experience.

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  9. Re:Best quote from the article by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You know what would have worked, if Lucas wanted to do prequels, is, say, a movie dedicated towards the ancient history; say a movie about the first confrontations between the Jedi and the Sith. A second could deal with the rise of the Republic, and then one single movie to deal with Anakin becoming Darth Vader.

    The way I figure it, Episode I was a total waste of time. It was dull, badly written, poorly acted and just generally no damned good. What Liam Neeson was doing in this movie I'll never understand, and the introduction of idiocies like midichlorians and Anakin-as-Jesus-virgin-birth crap was nonsensical, and would require the most bizarre explanation for Anakin's brother Owen in the next film.

    Episode II just didn't seem to know where to go. Did it want to be Obiwan's detective story? Did it want to be the love affair between Anakin and Padme? About Anakin's descent into the dark side? The Sith's bizarre machinations (including a Sith apprentice who tells Anakin that "oh yeah, the Sith control the Senate")? Or is it a political thriller? It wanted to go so many places in two hours that it ultimately went very little distance at all. One way to have patched things up would have been for Anakin to become Darth Vader at the end of that film, which would have made the next film much more interesting.

    Episode III. As close as we'll ever get in Lucas's post-1980s world to a good Star Wars film. Still clunky, but at least the Emperor comes off interesting (by now he's clearly the only character in the prequels that is really all that interesting). Still, way too much deux ex machina. Anakin still seems to sort of abruptly become Darth Vader rather than a slow descent into evil (which is why I think the more natural transition would have been at the end of Episode II). The whole "my apprentice is in trouble" which gets the Emperor on a ship to fly to Vader's aid was the worst example. The ending was idiotic, the Darth Vader suit sequence seeming anticlimactic, and the whole bit about Padme dying not only ridiculously maudlin but making the Epside VI statement by Leia that she could still remember her mother rather odd, considering Luke didn't.

    I think Lucas's whole reason for making Star Wars films changed between 1976-1983 and the 1990s. The earlier films, even as they got a bit deeper and more philosophical on the nature of evil in the Star Wars' universe, still maintained a fun, swashbuckling feeling. The plot holes in Episode VII could be ignored because, goddamnit, those Ewoks were cute, the Millenium Falcon was way cool flying into the Death STar, and the Emperor was so fucking evil in a basic, elemental fashion, rather than as some political plotter more in the line of Idi Amin than a Dark Lord holding extraordinary powers.

    I think Lucas decided to take his space opera and turn it into some sort of political parable. The problem is that Lucas isn't a very good writer, so loads of nonsense like midichlorians get loaded into the brew just so he can progress his almost-plot with as little effort as possible. He's so busy with his wannabe-political-philosophy nonsense that he forgets that a movie has to be interesting, whether it aspires to greater things or not.

    Lucas is a good idea man, or was, but ultimately, his instincts are all wrong. He overestimated his abilities as writer, and misjudged want the fans wanted. The fans didn't want The Galactic Manchurian Candidate, but rather Star Wars, as they saw it between 1977 and 1983.

    I disagree with the article that the prequels were a bad idea, though they clearly would have the limitation that we all know Anakin turns into Darth Vader. There's no "Wow, Luke is Vader's son" or "Hey, Darth Vader ain't so bad after all" moments. Those that read the original novel adaptations even knew basically how Anakin received the injuries. I really think that the entire Anakin-Darth Vader could have been done in a single movie, and without all the virgin-birth nonsense. Two other movies could have given us a better background of the Jedi-Sith struggles and the Republic.

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  10. Ellison's "I, Robot" by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, they made a movie called I Robot. It wasn't Asimov's story, and it wasn't Ellison's magnificent screenplay--it was typical hollywood dreck eye-candy, and it was a total waste of time, money, and resources.

    Someone show me an intelligent, dramatic movie of I, Robot or in fact ANY SF story, and I'll be happy.

    (Note: "Intelligent" does not mean bullshit pseudoscience, and "dramatic" does not mean blowing shit up)

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  11. Re:Best quote from the article by sd_diamond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First appearance of the wooden teen-aged brat who played older Anikin

    Don't be so hard on him. Hayden Christensen is actually a good actor. As are Natalie Portman, Samuel Jackson, Ewan MacGregor, Liam Neeson and Jimmy Smits. But their performances in the Star Wars prequels all uniformly sucked. Only one person can ultimately be blamed for that.