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Opera on the Nintendo DS

dxprog writes "Opera has announced that they and Nintendo are going in together to create a web browser for the DS. The browser, based on Opera's core engine, will take advantage of the system's two screens and the touchscreen to provide on-the-go portable internet access. From the article: 'Within just five seconds of turning on the system, the Nintendo DS is already fully operational. This makes it the ideal device to enable people to swiftly obtain the latest information from the internet, wherever they are.'" Update: 02/15 15:50 GMT by Z : More information about the browser and game announcements available from Gamasutra, and Iwata's aim that they'll hit 10 Million DS units sold is reported on the Next Generation site.

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  1. This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doing something like this truly shows the versatility of Opera. They sure have come up with a fantastic products. Not only does it work perfectly on desktop systems, rivalling Firefox, Internet Explorer, Konqueror and Safari, but it is also a gem on far less powerful systems.

    With all the talk about the flexibility of Firefox, I just can't imagine seeing it run on similar hardware. Enough people complain about Firefox leaking memory that it seems almost impossible for it to remotely support such devices.

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    1. Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by masklinn · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't really think they're merely recompiling mainstream Opera to run it on this kind of platform are you?

      Opera, Opera for Mobiles and Opera for Devices (which is DS' opera) are different products, only the core (the rendering engine) is cross-platform, just as Gecko (Firefox' rendering engine) is completely cross-platform but not necessarily the interface itself.

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    2. Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by brickballs · · Score: 2, Informative
      um, just so you know, the firefox memory leak turned out to be not a memory leak at all.

      and while, yes, opera is absolutely awesome, I can imagine firefox running on a gameboy ds.

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    3. Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by 11223 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, why would you guess that? I run the full opera on a 200MHz TI OMAP processor on my Windows Mobile Smartphone. That processor is not much faster than the DS's ARM7 processor. I also use NetFront on a 132MHz Sony ARM processor in my Clie. The ARM7 in the DS can handle running a full web browser.

      If they really optimize it, they can use the second, slower ARM5 to uncompress images while the first is loading the page. This is a common trick on multiprocessor systems already.

    4. Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by Pneuma+ROCKS · · Score: 3, Informative
      Opera, Opera for Mobiles and Opera for Devices (which is DS' opera) are different products, only the core (the rendering engine) is cross-platform, just as Gecko (Firefox' rendering engine) is completely cross-platform but not necessarily the interface itself.

      On a related note, I think, the Gecko-based browser for mobile devices is called Minimo, and is currently under development. I don't think this would work out-of-the-box on a DS, but maybe with a few alterations it could.

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    5. Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. by Svenheim · · Score: 5, Informative

      The DS has an ARM9 at 66 MHz, and an ARM7 at 33 MHz. There is no ARM5.

  2. headline fails by cycledance · · Score: 5, Informative

    there is no such thing as a gameboy ds. its nintendo ds. the gameboy advance sp and gameboy micro are the current gameboy.

  3. Pretty easy on the eyes. by Viewsonic · · Score: 4, Informative
    The upper screen is a zoomed in view, while the lower is a zoomed out view that you can scroll around the zoom view with the stylus. It may not be the best way to browse if you have other means, but I think this is going to be more than excellent for people stuck at airports and hotels who dont want to lug around all these crazy 17" widescreen 20 pound desktops...I mean laptops that seem to be all the rage these days.

    It looks like a nice step up from cell phone browsers in both the fact that you gain more screen area, an actually decent input device, and the fact that you're not getting charged for every byte sent over the line (Depending, usually airport wifi access is free).

    I'm looking forward to it. Especially now that Google Chat is integrated into their gmail, I can have full IM access with my DS on the go as well. Slick.

    1. Re:Pretty easy on the eyes. by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      GTalk in GMail doesn't work in Opera Desktop, FWIW.

      I've tried.

      (It works in IE, I haven't tried in Firefox.)

    2. Re:Pretty easy on the eyes. by tolendante · · Score: 2, Informative

      It works brilliantly in Firefox 1.5.0.1. I just realized that I no longer have Opera installed on any of my PCs. It was my browser of choice for a while, but the Firefox extensions have simply made my browsing faster and more friendly.

  4. Re:Keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Opera WAP? Opera doesn't have a WAP browser. All Opera browsers are full web browsers.

  5. More DS announcements by rayde · · Score: 5, Informative

    for more pictures, check this article with pictures of the Opera browser and also the newly announced Nintendo DS TV Tuner. Other announcements are a new Super Mario Brothers being released in May in Japan, and a budget priced Tetris DS.

  6. Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Considering that the minimum resolution you can get on a PDA is 160x160, the DS screen size of 256x192 seems like a nice upgrade. Mid-range PDAs have a resolution of 320x320, while higher-end ones are 480x320.

    I have a Zire 31 which I use to view web pages offline, among other things. My eyesight is far from perfect, but I don't find reading the 160x160 screen a big strain. The only thing that sucks is that the screen doesn't hold much information (13 lines of text in my current setup).

    I don't think this thing will be a replacement for PDAs, since it lacks the extra features these devices offer out of the box. But it will be good for quick browsing of e-mail, checking the weather or sports headlines.

  7. Re:only in japan? by mausmalone · · Score: 2, Informative

    The DS is not locked for regions (i.e. You can play Japanese games on American-released systems with no modification). And it will definitely require some sort of English (or at least Latin) text input and display in order for it to be useful on this English-dominated web of ours. So as long as you're willing to learn the menus through trial and error, buying the Japanese version should be just as good as waiting for a NA or EU release.

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  8. Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? by Erwos · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're totally missing the point. The issue is not protecting your http traffic - rather, it's to protect your LAN. Without a good wireless security protocol, your internal network is _wide open_ for anyone to attack. WEP is NOT a good security protocol, and if DS doesn't support WPA, you can't use the thing at home for wireless browsing.

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  9. two viewing modes will be available by Lawmune · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to brianj (Opera employee) on the Opera forums:

    "Opera will have two modes: fit-to-width mode (similar to what mobile users are already familiar with their mobile phones using the Opera Mobile browser). This mode will use Small Screen Rendering to fit the page across both screens. Alternatively, there is a DS mode which displays an overall page view on the lower screen (where you may use the touch screen to navigate around a sort of "mini map") and read the text on the top screen in full-sized view."

    Don't know about small screen rendering? See here: http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/smallscreen/

    Still not convinced? See what your website looks like on a small screen using the Opera Mini Simulator (which probably isn't exactly how it will look on the DS, but it's an approximation. The DS certainly has more screen real estate than my pathetic cell phone, anyway.)

    Also, according to DS Advanced:

    "The Opera software is currently slated to release in Japan during the month of June at the price of 3800 yen, roughly $30, and will include ATOK Kanji conversion software."

  10. Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have done a bit of web browsing on the psp, and while my eyes aren't perfect, I considered the psp's screen to be the "bare minimum" one really needs to be able to read web pages.

    To be able to read web pages using the layout that the designers originally created from, that being a 1024x768 computer screen, perhaps. If you just want access to the contents of a page and don't care if the layout is compromised, screens the size and resolution of the DS's ought to be fine for anybody.

    Also, will the Opera cartridge contain a firmware update that will finally allow DS units to use WPA instead of the pitiful WEP?

    AFAIK, DS tiles implement all WiFi encryption methods in software, not in firmware. A game like Mario Kart DS, where multiplayer gameplay requires very precise timing, might not have CPU cycles to spare to do WPA encryption/decryption. On a browser title like Opera, where synchronization with other DS users is not an issue, WPA could be a more likely feature.

  11. Re:Where to us it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    yes you are missing it. I use my DS all the time with regular access points. it has ALWAYS worked well with regular accesspoints.

    That was a bit of FUD running around from PSP fanboys trying to diss the system that outsells it 2 to 1 and you can buy games for it for far less than the cheap PSP games. (plus it has games for it that people want to play unlike the PSP.

  12. Re:Where to us it? by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Informative

    the DS does not have a built-in TCP/IP stack, it must be provided by the game.

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  13. Re:Where to us it? by Leeesher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yep, you're missing something. Here is a list of currently supported routers: http://www.nintendowifi.com/customersupport/suppor tedRouters.do So far in my travels I've only encountered one wireless router that wouldn't connect. I love NintendoWiFi. It's so bad.