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MacBook Internal Photos

kwiens writes "We just took apart a MacBook and posted some disassembly instructions and hi-res logic board photos. It looks like Apple's saving a bunch of R&D by using stock Intel chips in the MacBook Pro. Interestingly, the built-in iSight and Bluetooth connectors are USB 2.0. Apple also downgraded some features from the Powerbook: half the DVD-R write speed and no Firewire 800."

63 comments

  1. Why not use stock intel chips? by IIDX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reduced costs, shorter design cycles, excellent compatibility and good vendor support.

    No need to get all fancy with custom ASICs to replace ones that do the job just fine.

    1. Re:Why not use stock intel chips? by apdt · · Score: 1

      What, like a Intel ICH7-M SATA Controller or an Intel NH82801GBM Southbridge? In fact it seems to use entirely Intel chips inside see here on page 16.

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  2. The big question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the CPU be able to be (easily) upgraded?

  3. I'd buy one by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0

    Do they sell them with 2-button touchpads?

    http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/85/images_large/05.jpg

    1. Re:I'd buy one by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >Do they sell them with 2-button touchpads?

      no, because 2-button touchpads invariably suck ass.

      on the other hand, using your Apple touchpad as multiple virtual buttons and vertical and horizontal scrolling rules.

    2. Re:I'd buy one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they sell them with 2-button touchpads?

      No, If they did you wouldn't be able distinguish them from a DELL.

    3. Re:I'd buy one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      personally, I don't see how anyone can get anything done with only two buttons. I mean, don't you ever cut-n-paste?
      I'm waiting for the three button version.

  4. What do you get when you add... by Kawahee · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Hi-res photo's + Ageing Server + Slashdotting = Comedy Gold!

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    1. Re:What do you get when you add... by bored_engineer · · Score: 1
      Psst, push CTRL+W
      I'm so damned tired that I actually did this (without thinking, of course) to see what would happen. When I'm awake and alert, it's the only way I close a tab. AAAAAARGH. Anyway, have a laugh on me.

      Sorry for the offtopic nonsense.
    2. Re:What do you get when you add... by Bazzalisk · · Score: 1

      For the mac-users out there this would be Pssst, Press Cmd-W

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    3. Re:What do you get when you add... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      That's pretty funny considering that the server worked perfectly for me through all 16 pages.

      I guess the hardware section isn't quite like a full Slashdotting, though.

      D

  5. High pitched noise from power supply by capmilk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, they are using stock Intel parts and still managed to mess up the power supply unit. As can be read here, more than a few users report a whining noise from the psu when the cpus are idling.

    Quick fix: leave PhotoBooth running in the background. D'oh!

    1. Re:High pitched noise from power supply by NetJunkie · · Score: 1

      Anecdotal info: Mine doesn't do it. I got a 15" 2.0 / 7200 100GB yesterday and it makes no noise but the quiet fan whir. I don't get anything close to what a few people have recorded.

  6. No, but... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 2, Informative
    You can get right click functionality by placing two fingers on the trackpad and then pushing the button.

    Or at least this works if you are using iScroll. I don't know if the usual scrolling trackpad prefs have this option or not.

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    1. Re:No, but... by myspys · · Score: 1

      or just do what everyone else does, hold ctrl down while you press the "mouse"-button

    2. Re:No, but... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Can you click button 3 by putting three fingers on there?

      I used to have a trackpad, think it was a cirque, that would do left, right, and middle clicks by tapping one, two, or three fingers respectively. That was pretty decent. You could even double-triple-finger-tap-and-drag in order to drag with the middle mouse button... if that does anything on your system :)

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  7. Re:Sorry but I had to by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Offtopic? Come on! MacBook Internal Photos == porn what's so offtopic about it.. ok nevermind.

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  8. I kinda expected better from Apple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from that photo that laptop looks VERY similar to my Dell Inspiron 9300. i don't have any apples, never have, but i remember the beautiful laptops they were putting out back when they started remaking themselves after Jobs came back. the nice colors and good looking design. that was the closest i ever came to wanting to own a mac.

  9. What they forgot to mention by jurt1235 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or I just didn't see it: But did they manage to put together Humpty dumpty again?

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  10. A quick poll by frostilicus2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, raise your hands. Who among us here can say that he hasn't disassembled a computer before powering it up?

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    1. Re:A quick poll by apdt · · Score: 1

      Or, which of us can say they wished they hadn't disassembled a computer before powering it up?

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    2. Re:A quick poll by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      I wish I hadn't disassembled my computer during powering it up. Ow, burns..

    3. Re:A quick poll by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've assembled computers before powering them up, but seldom disassembled them. Why bother? It's best to switch it on and verify that it works before upgrading it with memory or disk, even.

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    4. Re:A quick poll by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily before powering it up, but I've definately regretted disassembling them before. Though it's no doubt helped me out as far as career path and such today, I would often take apart things when I was young to "look inside". Most of the time they went back together fine. Every once in a while I'd put it back together and it wouldn't - and I'd get that God awful feeling in the pit of my stomach like life itself had come to a close.

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    5. Re:A quick poll by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      I took apart my Mac mini before turning it on to put more ram in it. This involved the purchase of putty knives.

    6. Re:A quick poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One putty knife. Singular, not plural.

    7. Re:A quick poll by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      I bought two and used two. It is much easier with two. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but that is what works for me.

  11. Well, of course... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 1

    I know that, but it appears that some PC notebook users have trouble pushing two buttons so far apart at the same time, so I thought I'd point out a way of getting a right click without leaving the immediate track-pad area.

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    1. Re:Well, of course... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about just holding down the mouse button for a little longer than normal? That produces a right click....

    2. Re:Well, of course... by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

      Well, it does take two hands... not very porn-friendly.

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    3. Re:Well, of course... by mcmaddog · · Score: 1

      I believe this only works for Dock items... It didn't work on the desktop or Safari and I haven't tested it anywhere else.

    4. Re:Well, of course... by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 1

      ...and it delays my thought process for a small but excruciatingly annoying moment.

      IMHO, one-button is a design target that is good for software but bad for hardware.

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  12. I found it easier to use by mcbridematt · · Score: 1

    Comparing my PB G4 to my previous Windoze laptop, in the case of normal touchpad usage I think the one button touchpad is a lot easier to use.

    Pair it with SideTrack where I can use ctrl-click in the place of a normal right click button and I love it.

    If I'm typing and I want to click on something, I just have one of my hands drop down to the touchpad. For right click my left hand can hit Ctrl without moving.

    Better than the previous arrangement of having to move just a bit more to choose between left and right (the right button on my Acer TravelMate is notorious for requiring more force,too), its much more productive.

    1. Re:I found it easier to use by Smurf · · Score: 1
      Pair it with SideTrack where I can use ctrl-click in the place of a normal right click button and I love it.

      If I'm typing and I want to click on something, I just have one of my hands drop down to the touchpad. For right click my left hand can hit Ctrl without moving.


      Hummm... Great, but using ctr-click to get the functionality of the right click doesn't require SideTrack or iScroll. It's part of the default operation of the PB/iBook trackpads.
  13. Why don't you RTFA and find out? by irn_bru · · Score: 1

    The CPU in the MacBook the CPU will be completely UNupgradeable as it is soldered onto the logic board. The new Imac, on the other hand, has a CPU which is housed in a socket and should be capable of taking faster pin-compatable chips as and when they are available.

  14. Self-contradicting battery discussion by RevWhite · · Score: 0
    The battery is larger and thinner than the 15" PowerBook, but smaller than the 17".
    It's larger but it's smaller?
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    1. Re:Self-contradicting battery discussion by RevWhite · · Score: 0

      Ha, apparently I can't even read - numbers are escaping my eyes this early. Time for more caffeine of some sort.

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  15. Raises hand by denjin · · Score: 1

    Well, a she applies for some of us. ;)

    But, I've never taken apart a laptop before using it. Desktops I have qualms with, but I leave laptop internals alone unless I need to put memory or something in.

  16. Re:Sorry but I had to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, he misspelled pr0n...

  17. USB == higher batter drain by soboroff · · Score: 2, Informative


    Note that by having internal components connected to USB, they have a higher battery drain (simply because of how USB works) than they would if connected some other way. You can save battery by shutting down the iSight and bluetooth when you're not using them.

    1. Re:USB == higher batter drain by toQDuj · · Score: 1

      > You can save battery by shutting down the iSight and bluetooth when you're not using them.

      no sh*t Sherlock. I can save up to 45 minutes on my G4 PB, simply by switching BT off as well as wireless. the Firewire iSight is not the least consuming component either...

      B.

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  18. 17" G4 powerbooks did it too... by SuperBanana · · Score: 1
    ...namely, the first generation 17" PB, which is sitting on my desk right now making a soft, irregular crackling noise. It used to be that loading an SSL webpage in Safari would make it squeal/squeak very loudly- people didn't believe me until I demonstrated it. The Apple Store geniuses shrugged and dismissively said, "And?"

    It's the processor sleep/cycling; if I force it into "slow" CPU mode, the noise goes away. Very short bursts of heavy CPU will make it squeal and squeek; constant load over 30% or so makes it go away. It is pretty annoying- it's louder than the near-silent seagate 100GB drive I installed a year or so ago. Oh, and the variable speed fans? They're not variable speed, despite what every website, and the Apple "developer documentation" say. They're one speed- "on".

    My MacBook is on order, and news of this noise issue pisses me off. I've never heard PC laptop make these kinds of noises. Ever.

    1. Re:17" G4 powerbooks did it too... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Then either your Mac has improved your hearing, or you didn't encounter that many PC notebooks.

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    2. Re:17" G4 powerbooks did it too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you meaasure the fan speed? If you can prove they are not variable speed (and do not behave in the way represented in Apple's docs) you can probably file a successful class action. You may only win nominal damages, unless you can figure out how this might damage you (or the class) beyond nominally. But you should, if successful, be able to recoup attorneys fees and costs. Good luck.

  19. Why make the HD so hard to replace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've owned one in each major generation of powerbooks/ibooks (no macbok yet) since the 520c and the ONLY thing that has bugged me generation to generation is how hard it is to remove/replace the HD.

    1. Re:Why make the HD so hard to replace? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      I've owned one in each major generation of powerbooks/ibooks (no macbok yet) since the 520c and the ONLY thing that has bugged me generation to generation is how hard it is to remove/replace the HD.
      Because if they had an easy way to replace the HD, a decent pointing device, and the ability to operate while hot without crashing, then they'd be called "Thinkpads".
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    2. Re:Why make the HD so hard to replace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> a decent pointing device

      Choice in pointing devices is rather subjective, and that little rubber ball in the middle of the thinkpad keyboard that makes ones finger hurt within 30 seconds is not what I would consider decent.

      >> operate while hot without crashing

      Never had a problem in that regard with a 520c,lambard,pismo,ibook (dual usb), ibook g4, or powerbook g4.

      And it isn't a Mac unless it runs MacOS.

  20. saving R&D using stock Intel CPU's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, duh, yeah, that is why Apple patnered with Intel, to use off the shelf PC components instead of more costly proprietary and customized solutions.

    If you want to see the insides of a MacBook, but don't want to buy one, then look inside a PC notebook.

  21. Firewire 800 and DVD-R Speeds by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

    What I don't get is why everyone is getting their panties in a wad over this? They didn't put FireWire 800 in there so that they could free the bus and let you decide what you want to occupy the PCI-E slot. I'd rather have a choice of FW/800, a SATA drive, or a second video card rather than having FW 800 soldered into the board. They didn't put the faster drive in there because it was too big, an d because it didn't actually write at 8x when benchmarked, so they went with the proven drive. Don't even get me started on the internal modem.

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    1. Re:Firewire 800 and DVD-R Speeds by jkerman · · Score: 1

      it HAS FW400. thats why its such a bummer. it just doesnt do 800meg mode! the port is there already, but they couldnt convince intel to add support to their mobo chipset. its a damn shame.

    2. Re:Firewire 800 and DVD-R Speeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes time to add support for new things on a chipset.

      FW800 may show up later in a followup chipset. Or not.

      All we know right now is that it doesn't have support now.

  22. Anyone else dying for one? by static0verdrive · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else out there dying for one? I just need to save... I hear Rosetta sucks but otherwise they're great - not to mention that eventually (hopefully) most apps should be native for the intel arch so Rosetta wouldn't be used anyway.

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  23. Upgrade? by Enrique1218 · · Score: 1

    I am kind of sad to see that Pro notebooks are becoming increasingly unupgradeable. I remember the Pismo Powerbook could be easily upgraded with an new processor, hard drive, DVD, ram, and had a PC Card slot for extra ports. Nowadays, you really only can up the ram without doing major surgery. What happen to upgradeable mobile GPU touted by ATI and socketed mobile processors. At least, allow me to replace the hard drive after a few years when factory one becomes unbearably loud! Nowadays, I am force to spend top dollar and load the Powerbook up and in 3 years replace it with a completely new one. I don't like that situation at all because it is too expensive.

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    1. Re:Upgrade? by NetJunkie · · Score: 1

      You can swap notebook harddrives. They are standard these days and aren't hard to do.

      As for the rest...well...that's the cost of going so thin and so light.

    2. Re:Upgrade? by arodland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er... what universe are you in? RAM is easy, drives (optical and magnetic) are easy, processors are hit-or-miss, but it's not bad on mine. Video... well, that usually sucks.

      Oh... you were talking about Apple hardware. Well of course it's going to cost more, be less capable, be impossible to upgrade, and break in ways that Apple will refuse to fix.

    3. Re:Upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because everybody knows that you can't replace the RAM or hard drive in an Apple laptop, and Apple Care has that horrible reputation for never replacing or fixing anything.

      Oh, way, all of those things are blatantly false. You are either a troll or have no clue what you're talking about. In either case, get the fuck out.

  24. Okay, Firewire thing. by ral8158 · · Score: 1

    Cue tons of people saying "OMG! No firewire means firewire is DEAD!" Alright, well, for one thing, USB takes less PCB space then firewire. Firewire will NOT die, as it is THE way to transfer digital video, and it is incredible for harddrives. For another, since most people don't need firewire, (it's a niche now, and apple is aiming more and more mainstream), apple doesn't include it. It's extra cost. Now, people who DO use firewire, IE, not you if you even question firewire's lifetime, can get adaptors for it. Everyone is happy. Basically, the lesson learned is: If you think firewire is dead, you're not part of the secret clan of berret-wearing video-editting super mac latte-drinkers. Therefore, don't say something you don't know about.

    1. Re:Okay, Firewire thing. by Libraryman · · Score: 1

      The Macbook Pro has Firewire. It just doesn't have Firewire 800. You may be thinking of the iPod, which has lost Firewire support entirely in the current iteration.

  25. Re:Okay, ... -- It comes with FireWire 400. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This new Mac Intel computer comes with FireWire 400. Just like every other shipping Macintosh computer comes with FireWire 400.

    Since you seem to believe you know a lot about FireWire, it is mystifying why you did not include this. You know, FireWire is not niche. I know that most people connect their DVD player to their television using S-video or the single RCA video connector. That does not make people who use component video "niche." It just means we who enjoy quality at a slight premium in cost are willing to make that investment.

    Fortunately, in the last year or so, PC component manufactures have been able to make parts that overcome some of the limitations of USB. So, Apple is migrating some parts to USB to save cost. This also frees up bandwidth on the FireWire port for maximum performance from your peripherals that matter more.

    For the new MacBook Pro, Apple also wanted to create a market for the ExpressCard/34 slot. You can add a FireWire 800 card to your new laptop, if you need that much performance on the go.

  26. Trusted Computer another first for Apple? by bananaendian · · Score: 1
    Can anyone imagine Steve Jobs giving one of his famous presentation explaining Apple's adoption of Trusted Computing? Would you be convinced? Why are Apple fans (of which I'm one) so unintested in Apple adopting this technology? What features of Trusted Computing does Apple's MacBookPro chipset support and how could they be utilized in future versions of OSX? Which Trusted Computing features does the current X86 port of OSX already use? This is not about tinfoil hats anymore - TC will be the end of hacking.

    PS: This submission to /. was rejected so I'm posting it here - f*ck them and f'u if you think it's 'off-topic'...

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    1. Re:Trusted Computer another first for Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, here on Slashdot, nothing is censored. Hence, you can say "fuck". Fuck, fuck, fuck. Censoring yourself only makes you look like a fucking idiot; if you don't feel like cursing, then don't do it at all, but trying to do it and look "clean" at the same time is just stupid.