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Robotic 'Pack Mule' with Impressive Reflexes

moon_monkey writes "New Scientist has a story about a nimble, four-legged robot that can recover its balance even after being given a hefty kick." From the article: "The project is sponsored by the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), who want the robotic pack mule to assist soldiers in terrain too tough for vehicles. Ground-based soldiers often need to carry 40 kilograms of equipment. Raibert says the latest version of BigDog can handle slopes of 35 - a steeper gradient than one in two. The hydraulics are driven by a two-stroke single-cylinder petrol engine, and it can carry over 40 kg, about 30% of its bodyweight. The robot can follow a simple path on its own, or can be remotely controlled."

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  1. Why not just use ... a live mule? by jimmyhat3939 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this better than just a mule? Let's see... Mules eat plants and grasses found naturally in the area. The electronic mule requires electricity. Great if you're in a city in the USA. Bad if you're in terrain thats "too tough for vehicles".

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    1. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by jasonditz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well for one... nobody can get a multimillion dollar contract to develop a live mule.

    2. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's see... mules are animals. How could a machine possibly be better than an animal?

      A machine won't get spooked by gunfire
      a machine won't start making mating calls that alert the enemy to your position
      a machine won't take massive shits that a tracking dog could smell
      a machine doesn't die if it gets thirsty - you can go get more fuel and come back to it a week later or a month later.

      I can see a whole lot of applications where a live animal wouldn't be as useful. Perhaps we should get rid of all the motorcycle police and make them use horses, too?

    3. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by MustardMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a - an engine can be turned off at will, and a mule cannot.

      b - this is a proof of concept demonstrating the technology. the key here is that it can navigate rough terrain and has good balance. The source of rotational energy is hardly important at this point.

      Sand isn't exactly friendly to the lungs of an animal, either, and at least when the robot dies you have a chance of repairing it. Good luck repairing your dead mule.

    4. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by MrNougat · · Score: 2, Funny

      But when your mule dies in the bitter cold of the ice planet Hoth, you can slice it open with your lightsaber and shove your semi-conscious friend inside to keep warm while you build a proper shelter.

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    5. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by Fluffy+the+attack+ki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps we should get rid of all the horse police instead, make them use motorcycles... Or we could continue to use the best transportation for the task at hand.

      First: Yes, an untrained mule may be spooked be gunfire. On the other hand people have been training horses to go into battle for thousands years. Worst case scenario your packmule runs from behind cover and gets shot (assuming the enemy would bother shooting at fleeing livestock in the middle of a fight).

      Second: Mating calls from a mule? Mules are sterile, do they even make mating calls? Better question: Do they make mating calls LOUDER THAN A 2-STROKE ENGINE?!?

      Third: Poop stinks, gotta give you that. So does gasoline though. Don't know enough about tracking dogs, their abilities, or their use in militaries around the world to guess how much of an issue this is.

      Fourth: If the gas tank runs dry the machine DOES TOO die. The fact that you can send out a retrieval team later to recover it is of little help to the people in the group it was attached to. This thing is designed to operate in areas where conventional ground vehicles can't go, which means no gas trucks go there either. Also, if your robot mule dies for some reason you can't cook and eat it.

    6. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by SenatorOrrinHatch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably because you cant mount sensors and guns on a live mule and control its every action from the safety and comfort of Ft. Livingroom, plus living things are normally scared of huge explosions and imminent death. Also, live mules look pretty bad all shot the fuck up, but nobody gives 2 shits about some twisted metal.

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    7. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by Donut2099 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear that if you spray chemicals on the mule, it becomes a synthetic mule and you can get a tax break.

    8. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's no Mule.

      That's an AT-AT.

    9. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mules require feeding, housing, care and medical attention even when they are not being used. The people who provide this care require feeding, housing, care, medical attention and money even when the mule is not being used. Given our petrol based way of doing everything (like growing oats) all of this actually means that a mule burns more petrol over its useful life than a machine does, because it's burning it 24/7.

      Mules are also notoriously, well, mulish.

      The car did not replace the horse because it was more luxurious. At the the time it was anything but. It replaced the horse because it was less expensive to purchase and own, as well as far less trouble.

      The primary problem with this device is, however, what you allude to. It can run out of gas. We're not talking about Patton's tank column here. We're talking about an ordinary dogface soldier, a grunt, becoming dependant on petrol to carry his pack for him

      Join the Army. Learn to be a wuss.

      I'm not sure this is a good tactic just at a time when wars are becoming increasingly about petrol, because it's in short supply. The Nez Perce might well have ground our modern army to a halt and made good their escape to Canada.

      KFG

    10. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by onwardknave · · Score: 3, Funny

      A few of the brothers in the Pack Animals Union chapter 107 would like a word with you, Mister "I-can-see-a-whole-lot-of-applications-where-a-liv e-animal-wouldn't-be-as-useful."

    11. Re:Why not just use ... a live mule? by tsa · · Score: 2, Funny

      a - an engine can be turned off at will, and a mule cannot.

      Yes it can. The hard part is switching it on again.

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  2. Your Tax Dollars at Work by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice robodonkey.

    WHERE'S OSAMA?

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  3. Video of the robot by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.bostondynamics.com.nyud.net:8090/dist/B igDog_Feb-26-2006.wmv Put through the Coral CDN, just in case.

    The robot looks fairly hilarious when it walks, since it moves a lot like two biped robots (imitating the motion of human legs) facing each other. The whining mechanical noise is also pretty funny, since it sounds like a mechanical goat. However, it does withstand the kick pretty impressively.

    1. Re:Video of the robot by marciot · · Score: 2, Informative
      Ohh, the video is cool.

      Does it make sense to post a torrent on a relatively small file (27MBs)? I guess we will find out. I'm seeding the download for now. Good luck.

      http://marciot.freeshell.org/BigDog_Feb-26-2006.wm v.torrent

      I wonder if having tons of slashdotters download a 3KB torrent will slashdot my free web provider.... should I provide a torrent of my torrent? Or a corel cache of my torrent of the torrent?
  4. Dimensionless, fucktard by pkhuong · · Score: 4, Informative

    see topic.

    A "gradient of one in two" is a dimensionless ratio. A slope is the mathematical slope in %, which, again, is a dimensionless ratio.

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  5. its BigDog, not "pack mule" by mrpeebles · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just don't know why anyone would ever call it a "pack mule" when its real name, "BigDog", is so much cooler.

    Also, did anyone watch the movie of BigDog? It looks really creepy, actually. I guess I was subconsciously expecting to see, oh I don't know, a big robotic dog, maybe Bell from "Bell and Sebastion" with metal instead of fur. Intead BigDog looks more like something you would frantically blow away in Starship Troopers before it rips your head off with its long insect-like legs. If I had one, I think I'd want to attach something to it that looks like a little like a head, at least. When they kick it, and it moves its legs to keep from falling over, I squirm. It's like it's ALMOST alive, but not quite.

    1. Re:its BigDog, not "pack mule" by klack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also felt it was creepy. I think we just reached the Uncanny Valley.

  6. M.U.L.E. by MilenCent · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't bother having it mine for crystite in the river valley, remember to have it make enough energy to power itself and the rest of your empire, and make sure to take care when installing it so it doesn't run off....

  7. Re:Hefty Kick? by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd love to be the guy whose job it is to kick the multimillion dollar piece of equipment to see if i can knock it over.

  8. Needle by HolyYakker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lets compare the benefits and costs of these endevours.

    Keeping in mind this project was probably long under development before 9/11 even happened; I give you a choice of two tasks:

    1. Find one single person in the entire world who has an extensive network of people determined to keep him from showing up on the radar.
    2. Build a robot that is able to carry a large amount of cargo over rough terrain and is rather self sufficient.

    Benefits from Task 1:
    1. Head of an organization brought down. However, since it is a cell based organization and much information indicates his role is no longer chief commander it will do little to help stop terrorism.

    2. Umm... yeah, nevermind that's it.

    Benefits from Task 2:
    1. Easier transport and access to rocky terrain and remote locations (such as the ones in which Osama might be hiding.
    2. Possible application in further space exploration, similar to the Mars Rover.
    3. Advancement in gyrostabilization, automation of basic AI tasks, and other advanced in robotics.
    4. Possible construction and civil applications.

    Now, I don't know about you, but I would rather have my tax dollars go to Task 2, but that is just me I suppose.

  9. Cost comparison? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd just like to know how this gadget compares in price to a real pack mule. If our soldiers need mules, why not, oh.... USE SOME REAL MULES?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Cost comparison? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The advantages are pretty easy to see.

      Pack mules need to be fed even if you are just storing them in a camp. This thing can be packed tight in a box until you need it, then you just feed it the same gas that you feed your other vehicles. You're already shipping gas, but you aren't shipping much mule food to the camp. Sure, one the move a mule can eat some grass, but that becomes harder in the middle of the desert or while being shipped across the ocean.

      Also, it's much harder to resupply a group under dangerous conditions with mules being led than it is with something you can remote control a group of across that same dangerous territory. As far as weight ratios, some of them can carry gas for the others, while those others carry what you want delivered. It's the same system trucks use.

      Plus, I imagine (based on previous darpa results) these will end up quite a bit faster than mules are.

      Picture remote controlled, locally autonomous truck convoys dropping these things off for the "last mile" delivery to the troops in the hills and you'll see where all this is going.

      Of course, eventually they'll also use them for surveilance placements and then remote controlled combat.

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  10. Looking Real by hhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The most interesting thing is the "natural" looking motion of the "legs". At first I thought it was two guys up in some custom faking it as a robot! They are so natural!

    The video delivers what is promised but notice that when it does go up that steep hill there is no 40+ kg of weight on it...

    It also seems a bit to loud and well, in need of some body armor.

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  11. Re:If you were my student, I'd fail you by modecx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe you would have preferred it if they said "The robot can climb hills with a slope of approximately Pi/5!", so everyone who didn't take trig (and some who did) can stare blankly and say "wtf?"

    Did I hear a "yay" for dimensionless units? Oh, yes, I think I did.

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  12. Neat, but needs a muffler. by RossumsChild · · Score: 3, Funny

    Impressive sense of balance (the second kick in the video where it uses an almost simian method to get it's feet back under it is amazing). That's quite a step forward for robotics, though it's not particularly practical as a pack-mule alternative *yet*.

    However, that thing desperately needs a muffler--is anybody else having flashbacks to "Dumb and Dumber"?

    "Hey, you guys want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?"

  13. Why did they get rid of mules in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mules, horses, camels, and others that I can't think of have been used since before recorded time. And they have always been a logistical nightmare, which is why they were replaced as soon as motorized vehicles became reliable enough.

    A mule eats and drinks every day. It can carry its own food and water, but that means it carries a lot less of what you needed it to carry. Or you spend a significant portion of your day foraging, which means you aren't accomplishing your mission.

    Gasoline has a very good energy density. A truck can easily carry the amount of fuel it needs to go 100 miles, with most of its payload available to you. Most of the load for a mule or horse to go 100 miles would be its own food and water. Plus, a mule eats even when you aren't moving. A truck doesn't.

    Ships are the most efficient form of transportation, but can only go where there's water. Canals take time to build. Railroads are almost as efficient, but laying track is expensive, and the tracks are vulnerable. Trucks are less efficient, but roads are easier to build. So it comes down to logistic efficiency and infrastructure. An engine-powered walker needs the least infrastructure, while keeping most of the efficiency.

  14. Let's see here... by Cerebus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A 1,200 lb mule can carry up to 240 lbs of pack, eats grasses found nearly everywhere, will be reasonably quiet when well-treated, is smart enough not to walk off a cliff when the mule skinner isn't paying the best of attention, and will cost you under US$2000 per head. In addition, we know mules can be combat-trained, as mule trains were used to pull artillery on battlefields, and when worse comes to worst, you can eat it.

    This thing can carry a bit more, eats gasoline, makes as much noise as a gas turbine, will happily stroll into harm's way, and will likely cost on the order of a luxury car per unit. While there will be no training needed, when it breaks down it's just so much spare parts.

    Part of the reason for wanting something that can go anywhere is that the trucks you currently have *can't*. So how are you going to refuel the mechanical mule? Can this thing pack enough spare fuel *and* have enough capacity left to be useful?

    I think I'll stick with the mule.

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  15. And... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Mules eat plants and grasses found naturally in the area."

    And our solders can eat the mule. I'll bet the robotic one doesn't taste good even with barbecue sauce.

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  16. AniMules by 4Dmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    They created us to carry their burden, and it was good .....

    Then they kicked us, and it started...

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  17. Beer mule by jimmydevice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Finally, something that can carry a full keg, across abusive terrain and not fall down in a druken stupor. I see a great future renting these for senior class keggers. Maybe integrate the walker into the keg, So if the cops show up, and a little AI ( lots of shouting and the words "freeze assholes" ) it can run and hide in the forest with all the other kiddies.

    Jim.

  18. Slashdot has changed by NitsujTPU · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article rules. It shows that the Slashdot readership has grown quite diverse... as in diversely not nerds :-P

    Since when do Slashdot readers feel the need to criticize large government agencies who fund R&D for building robots?

    Jeez people. This thing is cool.

  19. GE: prior art by mhermans · · Score: 2, Informative

    Isn't really a novel idea, it reminds me of this prototype, developed by General Electric for the US Army in the sixties (see also).

  20. It's not only useful... by jaysones · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not only useful, it's WHISPER-QUIET!!!

  21. Low parts count by cheros · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think of field servicability. A humble 2 stroke is about the simplest engine you can put in the field (apart froma diesel, but that's a different ballgame altogether). A 2 stroke has few parts (which also means less bits that can go wrong) and carrying spares is thus easy. I'm not sure if the power output to weight ratio is better as well, if I remember well from my motorcycle days that is pretty much a given too but that's not quite as scientific as I'd like ;-).

    Having said that, it's only a theory. Maybe they only had a grasmower to work with, having spend all teh money on *SERIOUSLY* good hydraulic actuators. It's seriously weird to watch this thing - impressive, but weird ..

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  22. Oh my god! by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's the Luggage from Discworld! RUN!

  23. Re:tracks? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > The sense of balance is impressive, but if you don't have all your
    > weight mounted so high it becomes less of an issue.

    I guess that must be why horses, deer, antelope, etc. all have such short legs.

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  24. Balance by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw the video at video.google.com the other day, and it's impressive, but clearly needs some work. The balance mechanism only seems to work by lifting its leg and placing it farther away, which results in significant sideways travel when attempting to go straight in slippery terrain. Sort of like when you trip or slip and you have to throw a leg out in front of you to keep from falling. Actually exactly like that.. Imagine if you had to do that every time your balance shifted even slightly. While its ability to accurately place its legs to counter a fall is impressive, it's not the most elegant solution. The ability to lean and shift its center of gravity would help immensely. Once this thing can rear up on two legs and kick people, I'll be duely impressed.