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Playing the World From a Basement

Albanach writes "Singer songwriter Sandi Thom is one of a growing band of new musicians using the internet to circumvent the traditional and traditionally expensive tour circuit. Thom described her free online concerts as a Web Tour, saying 'A web tour is basically what you do when you have a lack of money and no car.' Services such as The Streaming Tank have grown to satisfy the need for broadcast services and the figures are impressive. Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers."

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  1. concert feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will there be some drunkard in front of me spilling beer on my shoes? Or better yet, one on stage spilling beer on the computer so that the feed fizzles out in the middle of the show? If so, then they're certainly a good ways to capturing that live concert feeling...

  2. Who? by NitsujTPU · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers.

    I guess that, at that rate, I won't be saying "who?" in a week or 2.

    1. Re:Who? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Funny
      I guess that, at that rate, I won't be saying "who?" in a week or 2.

      Just be careful you don't ask who's the band online when your nephew is nearby.

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    2. Re:Who? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My question is, will she sign with a major label and perpetuate the crap we deal with from the RIAA?

      She probably will, but that's just because the RIAA still has more marketing muscle than anyone else. However, there is no question that the balance of power is shifting in favor of the artists. The primary reason that the RIAA is so powerful is that historically the RIAA controlled the primary means of marketing music. Unless you signed a deal with a major record label you couldn't get your song played on the radio, you couldn't get yourself professionally recorded, your CDs didn't end up in record stores, and you couldn't play the larger venues.

      These days creating, publishing, and distributing your own CDs is ridiculously simple, and it is possible to play in front of thousands of fans over the Internet. If the record labels continue to pretend that they have all of the leverage then we will undoubtedly see a shift towards more popular bands that choose to remain self-produced.

    3. Re:Who? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hopefully, absolutely right.

      I checked, she's signed with Legacy, an indie in the UK. I don't know what her contract terms are, but she's been getting airplay there...

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  3. how by dotpavan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .. different is it (live webcast) from a recorded viewing? Live concerts have the euphoria that is multiplied by the crowd unlike in thsi case (making no difference). But yes, it does give them some publicity and help them test waters before actually launching a tour.

    1. Re:how by kebes · · Score: 3, Informative

      How different is it (live webcast) from a recorded viewing?

      Actually apparently these are not even live. They are recorded daily and rebroadcast. From TFA:
      Thom uses a webcam to record a nightly performance before broadcasting it on the net later in the evening. (Emphasis added.)

      So actually this is just drumming up support by webcasting performances you do in your basement. Still a good idea, but as you say this is no substitute for going to a live show. Sure you save the costs of going on tour, but real music lovers will be much more willing to spend money on a live show, as compared to a low-resolution webcast.

      A more interesting concept would be an actual live webcast with some measure of user-feedback. Maybe pre or post online chats/interviews with the band members? Maybe the band could take live requests? Maybe the band could adjust their performance based on the number of viewers and the demographics? ("I see alot of people logging in from London... welcome! This one is for you...").

    2. Re:how by Reapy · · Score: 3, Informative

      There actually are some things like this in Second Life. A few musicians play weekly concerts in the game. They set up a streaming server, get a location in world, and people show up with the avatars and listen to person playing, who is also present in world. Often on the stream they will comment on the chat between songs and take requests.

      Granted the quality and flavor is that of a local bar rather then a "profesional" concert, but I found the experience to be quite unique.

    3. Re:how by BlueStrat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually apparently these are not even live. They are recorded daily and rebroadcast. From TFA:
      Thom uses a webcam to record a nightly performance before broadcasting it on the net later in the evening. (Emphasis added.)

      So actually this is just drumming up support by webcasting performances you do in your basement. Still a good idea, but as you say this is no substitute for going to a live show. Sure you save the costs of going on tour, but real music lovers will be much more willing to spend money on a live show, as compared to a low-resolution webcast.

      A more interesting concept would be an actual live webcast with some measure of user-feedback. Maybe pre or post online chats/interviews with the band members? Maybe the band could take live requests? Maybe the band could adjust their performance based on the number of viewers and the demographics? ("I see alot of people logging in from London... welcome! This one is for you...").


      I'm looking at doing something like that right now for the band I'm in. I'm the "computer guy" in the band (run linux, a couple *BSDs, OpenSolaris, etc) so, I'm the one they ask about things like this.

      The biggest obstacle I've encountered so far to doing a "live" webconcert from a venue like a club, festival, and even many larger theatres and auditoriums is lack of high speed connectivity.

      I'm currently talking with the local blues association and one of the local clubs that is a heavy blues/live music supporter and advocate about getting something like this to happen.

      The only option for anything other than dialup is cable broadband (too far from a CO for DSL/ADSL).

      One of the concerns the club owner has is if this will make him liable for anything related to playing of cover tunes of copyrighted material, or possibly legal concerns if, for instance, a female patron has a "wardrobe malfunction" after imbibing a little too much.

      Having the connection in someone other than the properties' leasees' or owners' name is also verboten by the local cable monopoly, so having it in the blues associations' name is out.

      Also, because it's a commercial-zoned property and a buisiness, a commercial connection must be purchased.

      Municipal/community wifi/wimax would sure help, but no chance of that here anytime soon. They're more worried at the moment with trying to raise enough money to keep a functioning fire and police dept.

      So, for now, it looks like the most practical way is to broadcast/upload a show recorded earlier live. Too bad, as I'd love to play live to such a diverse audience, especially if there were an interactive component.

      What a thrill as a musician to get "applause" from across the globe, while playing your favorite local venue!

      Strat

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  4. I don't know... by Nosferax · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know... sitting alone in front of my computer with my lighter just isn't the same...

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    1. Re:I don't know... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Depends on what you're doing with that lighter... ; )

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    2. Re:I don't know... by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know... sitting alone in front of my computer with my lighter just isn't the same...

      I know what you mean, now everyone is just using the light from their cell phones.

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  5. Link to her website, maybe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Link to her website, maybe? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oh nice move mr. Linkey. Now she'll get 6,123,456 viewers for her next show, which will probably get slashdotted about halfway through....

      Honestly, think things through jackass. /sarcasm

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  6. Oh from the basement... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm kinda thankful they aren't trying out the traditional bathroom-singing business model. Granted, the acoustics are nice, but the visuals suck...except for female musicians, ofcourse.

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  7. Internet concert maths... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers.So, are there 62,064 people now sifting through the piracy sites for a torrent of an Xvid rip of the first one?

  8. Ironically enough... by kotj.mf · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Touring is about the only way an indie artist can make any money these days, at least in the US.

    Your margins on the merch are way better, and the beer is free.

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    1. Re:Ironically enough... by Shadarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was thinking the same thing. The new business model should be to give away the recordings because they were always a loss leader anyway, and make your money on live shows and merch. I would guess that she's generating a lot more buzz than she really should, just because she's doing something "new." Once this becomes the norm, it won't be viable.

    2. Re:Ironically enough... by soupdevil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The assumption is that every artist is a live performer. While live performance is one talent, recording, remixing, songwriting, arranging, and many other musical skills don't lend themselves well to the stage. But music would be much poorer without them.

      There will always be a place for live bands. But I hope we as a society don't lose the ability to reward those who create music in other ways.
    3. Re:Ironically enough... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The new business model should be to give away the recordings because they were always a loss leader anyway, and make your money on live shows and merch.

      That is not the new business model, its the only one.

      It kills me that someone actually thinks that one can be a millionaire for life because they spend a couple of weeks in a recording studio. Granted, some people do. Sting reportedly makes $2,000 a day off of "Every breath you take". Who pays this is beyond me. But still, that is "only" 0.75 mil a year for one of the most popular songs ever recorded. The lottery is a much better investment for those that don't want to work and have cash.

  9. As a musician . . . by galonso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a musician, I think this is very exciting. The 'alternative' conventional wisdom of late has been that marketing your band/music online is the wave of the future, but I'm not aware of a concerted (heh) streaming approach that includes performances. Most articles I've read push distribution and marketing in the traditional mp3 sort of sense.

    This reminds me of the time when bands were experimenting with slide shows (pre-automation) run by a 'stealth' band member alla early Human League to give a multimedia edge to their presentation. With current technology, why not have a web presence with streaming concert video 'events' as the center piece to the normal mp3 / wallpaper / avant design elements.

    Heck, why not have interative art featuring music and graphics based on the old quaint notion of a 'concept album' . . .

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  10. Other Advantages by Flwyd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Concert attendees didn't have to pay $5 to get a beer from the fridge.

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  11. Playing the world? by fak3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought this article was going to be a slam at the standard /. meme; a loaner living in his parents basement playing World of Warcraft all hours of the night!

    As it stands, it's a nice idea to try and spread music/art this way, but it will *never* come close to providing the atomosphere/feeling that one gets at a concert or art gallery.

    1. Re:Playing the world? by KarateExplosions · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was going to say the exact same thing, except I was probably going to be a total sarcastic asshole about it.

  12. Great chance for new musicians by coffeechica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this is an excellent opportunity for an upcoming musician/band. It gets you some publicity, people can check you out, and maybe they'll remember your name once you actually play in a club somewhere. Perhaps you could even sell your music this way - and you'd cut out the middle man and actually get more than the measly 16cents or so. It's going to be word-of-mouth, but that works often enough.

  13. Can't beat it by edmicman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing like being in the mosh pit by yourself in front of the computer. And my mom wonders why I keep breaking all my stuff!

  14. Success? by XMilkProject · · Score: 3, Funny

    1st Show: Unheard of band attracts 74 brave souls. 2nd Show: Word of mouth brings 62,138 happy listeners. 3rd Show: Slashdot effects takes down your server before the show starts. 4th Show: Your still trying to pay all the extra bandwidth charges from Show #3.

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  15. Limitations by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Bandwidth on the Internet is a major problem. Well, unless it's sent out over multicast with reflectors serving those still using unicast-only ISPs. Good compression helps, of course, but good compression reduces quality and is expensive on CPUs.


    The problems are all solvable - don't get me wrong - but it takes either a lot of money or someone with a lot of skill to get something like that set up, and the skill option is the only scalable one.

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  16. DVD Live Performance by Leviathant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Whenever I go to see a band play, it usually smells kinda funny at the venue. Sometimes the singer gets the words wrong, or the drummer messes up on my favorite fill. I usually have to drive an hour to the nearest decent venue, spend money on parking, and all that. The songs don't sound the same as they do on the CD, and the musicians aren't nearly as attractive as they looked on the album artwork.

    That's why I like to buy DVDs of my favorite bands performing "live" in my living room. It's all the excitement of seeing my favorite band, without having to worry about the microphones not working, and especially without the bother of other people. I can pause the performance and go pee without anyone offering me illicit drugs. If you time it right, you might even get a package deal at the FYE, where you can get a discount on a concert tshirt if you buy the DVD at the same time. AND! And the concert's in 5.1! I don't think most venues are set up to play in 5.1 surround sound yet, they're still only outputting stereo.


    No one ever says, Dude, you remember watching that concert at Matt's place in 2002? That was amazing!

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  17. Live Music already quite popular in Second Life by johnthorensen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a resident of Second Life, an online virtual world. Very different than a MMORPG, it's basically an open-ended place for people to socialize, build, et cetera. Second Life is also unique in that you own the copyright of any content you create in-world. This has lead to some really creative and clever objects.

    More to the point though, the phenomenon of live music has really taken hold within Second Life. There are several artist residents (Astrin Few and Flaming Moe are two I can think of) who hold regular concerts, play in virtual taverns, and overall take advantage of the relatively cultured community that exists within the world (the client supports streaming audio via ShoutCast servers). I also know of a Live Music Festival (organized by a resident named Nethermind Bliss) that will be happening this year, with both a true live venue on the east cost and a virtual venue in-world. This hybrid event will be a great opportunity to expose residents to some talented artists.

    -JT

    1. Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a resident of real life.

      Very different from a make-believe world, we meet together every weekend and play music, build things, socialize etc etc. Even in our real worlld, we own the copyrights to the things we create.

      For example, just last week, we built a bed for my apartment which I own. All of this has led to some really creative and clever objects, such as lego beer dispensers.

      Anyway, more to the point, music has really taken hold in our real lives. Me and my friends go to concerts, and we even play in a local band! There are several bars (Hofbrauhaus and Beer Sellar are two I can think of) where real musicians play in real bars with real beer and real women with real boobs. Okay, maybe not the last one. Sadly, not all of us are a cultured people, but it has however taught us such things as tolerance. For those of us do like tolerance, we go to these things called musicals, orchestras and theatre plays.

      I also know of these music festivals like the Celtic and Renaissance music festivals that have been happening for a couple of hundred years, where once again you get to meet real *shudder* people. Those that like this can actually go to the websites (virtual, virtual!) and look up cool stuff.

      More important to the point, doing this has taught me and my friends some good social skills, gotten us free beer and live music - and sex.

      But go ahead, though. I'm sure a virtual life is infinitely more enjoyable. I mean, we sure as hell can't do all that stuff in real life, right? Right?

    2. Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life by klept · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ok. I live in Hawaii. How in the real world am I going to communicate and be amused with girls in Paris if I dont do it online? I know, there are plenty of beautiful and sexy girls in Hawaii. And I have beautiful, sexy times with them. But Paris girls are different. Vive la difference. They are cultured and fun in other ways, and I dont mean we spend all night talking about Sartes in French. Actually isnt a lot of social interaction really conversation and just talking? The physical stuff is not that big a deal, at least not if you are having enough of it in life. IMO the one big thing girls and guys miss is not having someone of the opposite sex to talk to. And the virtual world can fill this need very nicely. Just look at what goes on in City of Heroes. That said, I thought your comment was hilarious. Snakes on a Plane.

  18. Re:The real question is? by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Informative
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  19. Not exactly a new idea... by TheLongshot · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Ozric Tentacles did a live broadcast over the internet back in 98. It was later released on CD as "Spice Doubt". Course, it was audio only back in those days.

    I'm sure others have done it as well.

  20. Re:DVD Live Performance by Reducer2001 · · Score: 2, Funny
    go pee without anyone offering me illicit drugs

    Dude, that's the best part!

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  21. Re:DVD Live Performance by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny
    That's why I like to buy DVDs of my favorite bands performing "live" in my living room.

    I am interested in playing your 'living room' venue, but I have a few questions. What capacity is it? Does the band provide the DVD, or is the recording done 'in house'?

    Are food and drink provided in the dressing room, or trailer?

    What are your preferred set times, and who do I need to send the stage plot to?

    Thanks for your attention,
    teamhasnoi - The Schmoejoes

  22. So You Mean... by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...one COULD become a rockstar in one's own parent's basement after all!!! Will the technology wonders never cease?! ;P

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  23. can't come to dinner mom.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..I'm giving a CONCERT!

    Heh.. I'll have to remember that one.

    I mean, I would have to remember it if I actually lived in my parent's basement, which I don't. I mean, if they had a basement. Uhh.

  24. The mouse that roared by Bucc5062 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From tfa..."In the past eight days she has entertained more than 250,000 fans worldwide"

    From 70, to 62000, to 250,000 listeners. What an incredible way to build a base before she (and the band) go out and do tours. This is also just what RIAA *does not want to happen*. Young unkown band gets found not by some way over paid agent of musical darkness, but by the people themselves. A great example of what the interent *can* do for the masses and the individual.

    Next step for this band and others to follow; produce and deliver an Album (as in collection of songs, not vinyl) that can be offered to those 250,000+ fans and growing without ever burning one CD. TCO to the band, nada for RIAA. The biggest obstacle I would see is they (and any band) would have problems booking gigs in larger venues without greasing the wheels of the venue promoters who are most likely in the pockets of the music industry.

    IAOASD (I am only a software developer) so I may only see the rose through my glasses, but this could be the mouse that roared.

    Music is not bad either.

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  25. Re:DVD Live Performance by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

    And most importantly - can you fit a 60' inflatible pig in the living room?

    For that accurate home/festival experience, place your TV at the bottom of the garden, and watch through the kitchen window. If you need to pee, wait for 30 mins at the bathroom door first. Or just do it behind the sofa, everyone else does.