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Under 30 and On The Cutting Edge

conq writes "BusinessWeek has an interesting piece on cutting edge technology entrepreneurs under 30. From the article: 'Don't look at what the industry is doing,' Erchak says. 'Look at what they're not doing and focus on that. That's where the real disruptive technology comes from.'"

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  1. Heh, exactly by suso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ;-)

    Get out there and do interesting things people. Stop making window managers, CMS systems and text editors and start making new things. Things that are useful.

    1. Re:Heh, exactly by Serapth · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would but I just turned 30, so im no longer allowed.

    2. Re:Heh, exactly by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But whatever it is, make sure it runs in the web browser with plenty of AJAX.

      How exactly is meebo a disruptive technology?

    3. Re:Heh, exactly by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      'Don't look at what the industry is doing,' Erchak says. 'Look at what they're not doing and focus on that. That's where the real disruptive technology comes from.'

      Actually, that's incredibly stupid advice.

      The industry is not making a Linux enterprise server which is powered by an exercise bike.
      The industry is not making a faraday-shielded mobile phone antenna (safe for use in hospitals!)
      The industry is not making a toilet with remote login.
      The industry is not making an accessory for the two-player console fighter which castrates the loser with a piano wire.
      The industry is not making caskets with built-in LCD monitors.

      Which of those ideas will make me a millionaire the fastest?

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    4. Re:Heh, exactly by enjerth · · Score: 5, Funny

      The toilet.

      Does the toilet have an open port? I'll just try to log on remotely and dump a file.

      Saves time. This is a paperless transaction.

    5. Re:Heh, exactly by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Funny
      The industry is not making a toilet with remote login.


      I'm working on that right now. We download the data with the Post Office Orifice Protocol (POOP for short). Its all part of our Sewer Hydraulics Information Technology platform.
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    6. Re:Heh, exactly by mjt+AG · · Score: 2, Funny

      The industry is not making caskets with built-in LCD monitors. This has got to be the best idea. Think of it now, "Pimp My Casket" on MTV. Old folks get to pimp out their caskets b4 they die (think of them in wheelchairs towing along respirators and choosing bling to pimp out their casket). They can also put neon lights underneath the casket for that slick JDM look.

    7. Re:Heh, exactly by MP3Chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nevermind "how" ... what is "disruptive technology?" I've seen that term thrown around in place of what seems should be "creative" or such ... but that just doesn't make much sense to me.

    8. Re:Heh, exactly by Peaker · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The problem is, the computing world is so hopelessly fragmented that every feature, every useful idea ever created, needs to be reimplemented in the context of every platform and often in the case of every program.

      Sometimes it is just stupid, but often it is required because of the nature of the crappy computing world we live in.

      For example, since the registry is just like the file system, but is just a little bit different and uses different interfaces, we need to duplicate all of the tools and features that we have to work with filesystems on the registry.

      Since every application has a persistent large space it accesses via open/close/unlink/read/write interfaces, and a non-persistent small space it accesses via malloc/free/memory-access, every application must reimplement the dumping/loading between these two memories for all of its data. Every processing function must be implemented on memory for in-application use, and a special GUI or command line interface must be written just for it, to wrap its functionality for the user, accessing files. Worse, a specific wrapper that attaches the library to input/output from some network connection.

      Since every application has to manage its own GUI window (amazing that this stupid model survives still..), every feature written which due to the above concerns gets reimplemented in the context of every application needs to get some GUI code to be implemented for it in the context of each and every application.

      We live in a super-fragmented computing world, where the exact same features are reimplemented over and over and over, each time in the scope of a new "environment" which is just like the other one, but with a slight difference.

      The unfortunate inevitable consequence is that 99.9% of our effort in the computing world is concentrated at duplicating existing ideas to new environments. This is, as you say, very uninteresting and even frustrating!

      What the computing world desperately needs is some unification and generalization that would get rid of almost all of the duplicated effort now seen:
      • Unification of all spaces: No more silly separation of persistent file space and non-persistent memory space! Just have one orthogonally persistent space that is fast. This is very possible to implement, even on ordinary x86 hardware.
        This also results in another simplification: A program is either installed and "running" or it is not there. A lot of wasted effort writing "installers" that worry about the persistent representation of the program would become unnecessary!
      • As an extension of the previous bullet: Databases, the Windows "Registry" and File Systems all serve the same purpose, and all do it poorly. There is no reason why they cannot be unified to a single object lookup engine (Database?) which is a superset of the functionalities of each
      • Generalization of the GUI. Who ever thought that an "application" should manage a window? This is a bad idea, that results in tons and tons of useless uninteresting code that connects GUI widgets to library logic.
        Instead, software should be written as simple functions or "components" (much like Unix commands in a command line pipe) which are easily and even automatically attached to the correct GUI widgets by the GUI. The GUI then becomes completely disconnected from the software logic, which makes it more customizable by the user, and lets the user build his own interesting "windows" that interface him to multiple components. "winamp" and other music players would become mere configurations of widgets that any user can build up. I would guess 90% of the code in the world being written is all about this and would become unnecessary.

      Some interesting consequences of the above unifications:

      • Excel and other spreadsheets, and build systems become one! Excel applies functions to input data nodes when those are modified and connects their output to various GUI elements (specifi
    9. Re:Heh, exactly by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Are you over 30, and desperate to show you can still be a worthwhile disruptive thinker?? What you're saying sounds similar to the proposals for the next ReiserFS.

      But yeah, I've been feeling for a long time now that programming and system work is needlessly tedious, boring, anal retentive, and that it's the fault of the languages and systems. We hope and strive for but don't yet expect intelligence from our computers, just very very fast computation. Intelligence is a fine goal, yet we haven't gotten computers entirely set up to relieve us of what they can do well. Somehow it's people who often end up having to do a lot of mindless tedious repetitive tasks for the computer. Shouldn't installing an OS be a nearly brainless task? Shouldn't configuring the Linux kernel be automatic? Why, if I want to "roll" my own kernel, do I have to dig through hardware detection messages from system boot, from ls utilities like lspci, and so on to figure out how to configure the kernel? "Cobolization", that's one of the problems. Ever see source code for "hello world" in Xlib? Over 100 lines of code just to put up a lousy little message window. (Of course that's why we have Motif, GNOME, KDE, etc.) XML isn't much more "human readable" than assembler. Why do we have a separate language for makefiles? I don't know a single general purpose language that isn't universal, but somehow none of them are suitable for instructing the computer in the details of compilation. As if makefile language isn't bad enough, C has 2 syntaxes for the same concepts: preprocessor syntax such as "#ifdef #endif" for code that should be compiled into a program if a condition is satisfied, and "if () { }" for the exact same thing except executed during run time instead of compiled during compile time. More fundamental than file/memory access, we have dozens of incompatible and arbitrary syntaxes for calling functions and passing parameters. Shells do it one way, most apps parse command line options in 1 of 2 ways, but many mix it up, and C does it at least 2 ways in syntax: "main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; {" or "main(int argc, char **argv) {", and 2 ways internally-- who remembers that C has a keyword "Pascal" and what it does? Thanks to so much of most OSes being written in C, most other languages have their own special conventions for calling C library functions. As to arguments that each of these languages is a tool, that tools are not universally suitable for every application, and one should use the best tool for the particular purpose of the moment, note that this is not true of the typical natural language. I do not need to switch from English to another language to express ideas. Any universal language can express what any other can with some constant multiple of the number of statements used in either one. For natural languages, that constant is a lot closer to 1 than for programming languages. Not one of these programming languages approaches or intends to approach the power and expressiveness of a typical natural language. Well, that would take machine intelligence, but there is much that can be done to streamline and simplify what we do have now.

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  2. balance.. by sdirrim · · Score: 2, Funny

    With our nation and our economy in such delicate balance, do we really want to disrupt things?

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  3. The cutting edge by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Funny

    is not that sharp according to Business Week :)

    After all, this guy is 31 and this guy is 30. Hell, at 37, I might be able to squeak by :)

  4. What's the big deal about 30...? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So at 36 I'm over the hill and no good? Sheesh... I curse all those Baby Boomers who made being older than 30 a bad thing. They should've made it 64 instead.

    1. Re:What's the big deal about 30...? by Lummoxx · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I curse all those Baby Boomers

      Me too. They ruin everything. They had their fun; free love, relatively safe drugs, protesting, Woodstock...

      Now they're all old fuddy-duddys', and making everything they did for fun against the law.

      It's no wonder todays youth is resorting to crystal meth and bot-nets. Easy sex, easy marijuana, and good music has been ruined by the grups!

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    2. Re:What's the big deal about 30...? by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I curse all those Baby Boomers who made being older than 30 a bad thing

      Actually, no. If you consider that the 'baby boom' generation was born between 1945 and 1960, then the bb's are all well over 40 now. You can thank the baby boomers for phrases like: "40 is the new 30".... now you're even hearing: "50 is the new 30". They don't want to get old, so they keep changing the threshold.

  5. Invent something new that everyone wants! by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised we made it to 2006 without thinking of this.

  6. 8 out of 10 are Internet apps. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Eight out of the ten "new ideas" are Internet applications. And every one of those eight is in an area where someone else already has an entry. Web-based instant messaging. Call center outsourcing. Social networking for teenagers. Yawn. Some of them are cool, but none of them are really needed.

    The two new ones are a simulator for pharmaceutical development and a new approach to solid state light sources. Those may or may not work, but they're real developments.

    1. Re:8 out of 10 are Internet apps. by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This NY Times article speaks to that. For these under 30 somethings in NYC, success is not so much about doing something new as it is about doing something that another company, with deep pockets, wants. The exit strategy is being acquired.

    2. Re:8 out of 10 are Internet apps. by Samrobb · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And every one of those eight is in an area where someone else already has an entry.

      Not neccesarily a bad thing. Guy Kawasaki has commented that there are a lot of smart people in the world... if you come up with an idea, look around, and see abolutely no competition, then you have pull a Scott Adams and ask yourself, "which is more likely?"

      • I am incredibly smarter, luckier, and/or more insightful than each and every other person on the planet who might have ever had the chance to come up with this idea. In a sea of six billion faceless drones, I alone am unique.
      • There are smarter people in the world - much smarter than me - who have thought of and then discarded this idea as the disgusting piece of trash that it is.

      Now, you see, the trick is that if you are somewhat smarter, luckier, or more insightful, you have two choices. You can attempt to come up with something completely original and new, which is really risky, as shown above. Or, you can enter a known, existing, money making market where your somewhat-smarter brain, store of luck and somewhat novel insgihts will allow you to out-maneuver the barely sentient cretins who currently inhabit that market niche. Still somewhat risky, but not anywhere near as risky as trying to create a completely new market.

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  7. The Nerdy Blues by ExE122 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This all makes sense because by age 30, most of us nerds are broken shells of mangled human flesh: Thick glasses, crooked spines, carpal tunnel syndrome, high blood pressure... long term effects of working in the high speed world of information technology.

    And lets not forget about the stress-related impotence! How do you expect anyone to be innovative when they're out of libidious mojo?

    We hit our mid-life crisis at age-15 when we spend all our allowance on the newest AMD chips, graphics cards, and video games.

    I'm half way through my 20s and I'm not looking forward to being a grizzled and worthless dinosaur in the next 5 years... but such is the price we pay.

    =P
    (sorry to anyone over 30)

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    1. Re:The Nerdy Blues by AlterTick · · Score: 4, Informative
      We hit our mid-life crisis at age-15 when we spend all our allowance on the newest AMD chips,

      Nobody over 30 spent their allowance at age 15 on anything AMD, junior! Try "Commodore", "Apple", or maybe "IBM".

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    2. Re:The Nerdy Blues by Herkum01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would write a lengthy reply but my arthritis is bothering me... How it pains me to be 34!

    3. Re:The Nerdy Blues by rrohbeck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agree 100%. By 30 I was getting fat, my back was bothering me and I had no enegry.

      Now I'm 46 and in better shape than at any point in my life before. Probably in better shape than you kiddo :P

      You probably expect some exercise machine or miracle supplement spam now. Sorry to disappoint. :) Hey, you're a nerd, you are capable of learning, right? Buy a few books on nutrition and exercise and get a gym membership. Prepay for 3 years, that'll give you the best rate available. Maybe they'll even throw in a few personal trainer hours.

      RP

  8. meebo peepo by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Advice: "Surround yourself with really, really smart people and don't be afraid to give them equity, because it's all about the team," says Sternberg.

    Translation: Surround yourself with women at your workplace, and you are halfway there to actually getting a date.

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  9. Security apps by meteau · · Score: 2, Funny

    Any idea on if security apps will be big this year?

    www.grepgrok.com

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  10. Like Logan's Run? by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So does this mean that if you're over 30 you don't have a chance at creating anything innovative?

  11. I wonder... by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2
  12. Not just startups- by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article...
    What's the most common error made by startup entrepreneurs?
    Easily the biggest problem is when you have a founder who is sentimentally attached to his company to the point where he won't let go and accept help. Especially with technology firms, the founder tends to be passionate about the product and tends to come out of an educational-engineering environment with very little expertise in the business world.
    This is so true- whether in business or on message boards (like this). I got my start in tech, but went on to get a JD and a MBA- and now my true techie friends love to make fun of me. But the truth is, hubris can sink about anything- Knowing a lot about tech does not mean that you know anyting about business (and vice versa)

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  13. Bad advice by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Inventing something that no one has ever thought of is a lot like winning the lottery... nice if you can do it, but don't bet your future on it.

    Having been involved in a number of successful businesses over the years, I can tell you that good ideas are a dime a dozen. There's no huge mystery about what's successful and what isn't... look around you.

    The difference between someone who is successful and someone who isn't is execution. The world is full of people who dream big but don't get off their ass and do it.

    What people don't get is that you don't have to be the dominant player on the block to make a LOT of money, but what it does require is taking a risk and putting yourself out there. Find your little niche and set up shop. The world is like a raging river of money. You don't have to set up a very big flume to get a pretty good stream coming to you.

    And if (or when...) you fail the first couple of times, learn from your mistakes, get back up and try again.

    Just a step at a time, folks. Just take a step a time. It's not how fast you're stepping, but the fact that you're stepping at all.

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    1. Re:Bad advice by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      except I have a marketing/advetising background [...] Can you suggest any resources for someone in my situation to find people who can fully handle those aspects of it?

      Here's my advice for someone like you: don't try and invent the wheel yourself. By that I mean don't try and find a programming consultant to program something for you. There is a 99% probability that you'll get screwed. Number one, it's EXTREMELY hard to find good people. By the nature of programming, you can't tell easily how well something is done. If you hire a someone to, say, build you a brick wall, even a layman can tell if it's straight or if they did a crappy job. Not so with programming. You can pay and pay and pay and still end with a barely functioning piece of crap that no one can fix. I've seen it time and time again with my more marketing-oriented friends.

      The only way that sort of thing works out if is if you can find someone with a proven track record that you partner with, who has an incentive to get things done economically and done well. But, of course, partners have their own set of problems, and even if you're sure this tech partner of yours is good, there's a fair chance that he's been faking it all along and he's really bad. :)

      I say all this to really put the fear of God into you about trusting tech people. It's REALLY hard to be successful doing something home grown when you're not the one doing the growing. I cannot tell you how many friends I've seen go down in flames this way.

      Here's what I suggest: find something already built and selling. If you're good at marketing, then focus on what you're good at. Look for "private label" relationships where you can set up a site, but someone else is running the back-end. There are lots of affiliate relationships where they pay for referrals. That can pay off, though I'm not sure how well. I tend to like better the ones where you set up your own site. It just makes it a bit more of a unique thing than affiliates.

      Another play I like are drop-ship companies with various product lines. Take the catalog, feed it into a web commerce hosting site, and start marketing the heck out of it.

      The bottom line is to focus on what you're good at, and minimize the risk of what you're not good at. The fact that you have some geeky credentials puts you ahead of the marketing people who try and do things like this.

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  14. Where's your head at? by shummer_mc · · Score: 2, Funny

    [this] guy triple majors at Harvard, with his buddy from Jr. High, who is double majoring and they start a dating service... He He. Either venture capitalists are retarded, or these guys are too smart for humanity [not having any other information-- I think it's the prior].

  15. With apologies to T. Lehrer... by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...at your age, Mozart was already dead.

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  16. Watch the other end! by monopole · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cringley has pointed out that the retiring boomer hackers will have more impact especially on the open source movement.

    The under 30's have the advantage/disadvantage of not knowing what is impossible. On the other hand the old hands know the old tricks.

    I was astounded to encounter teen interns who looked astounded at the concept of sub-Gigahertz machines.

    1. Re:Watch the other end! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was astounded to encounter teen interns who looked astounded at the concept of sub-Gigahertz machines.

      When I worked at Atari, the kids (18 to 20 years old) were generally astounded that I played Pong when it first came out long before mall arcades became popular and had an Atari 2600 in early 1980's. They were astonished that video games existed before the Sony Playstation. If that didn't throw them for a loop, another co-worker used to work on pen-and-paper games in the 1970's.

  17. From what I've seen by Quirk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've been involved with successful businesses and have seen many more fail. I don't think there's a set of answers to follow laid out like the yellow brick road, and, even if there were, you'd most likely just end up talking to some flim flam artist proclaiming himself to be a wizard while hiding behind a curtain.

    There are people who are technically gifted and are chrismatic enough to sell whatever it is they're working on but they're few and far between.

    A few simple rules:

    (1)know your product and be able to explain it to investors who might not have the technical training to immediately grasp what it is you're proposing. Stay away from the trap too many technical trained people fall into of overwhelming potential investors or customers with unnecessary detail, (I failed this test repeatedly).

    (2) Have a business plan and enough money to go 5 years without outside investors. Many government agencies provide templates that will allow you to lay out a business plan that a banker or investor can easily understand. Don't go to a bank or potential investor with a bunch of loose papers and a lot of hand waving. Most businesses I've seen fail went into business looking to turn a profit in the first year. Statistics show the vast majority of businesses need at least five years to break even.

    I'm currently about to undertake development of two ideas that I've worked on for the last ~5 years. I'm fairly sure both will succeed. As per the article both of my ideas are innovative and not visible on the web today, but along with the innovation I've spent a few years laying out a plan, both as to actual development and marketing. You must know why your project will succeed, you should know what might cause it to fail.

    And then there's luck, just being in the right place at the right time.

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  18. Re:Duh by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look up terms like first mover advantage, second mover advantage etc. This has been studied ad infinitum.
    Marketing is complex, as much as we like think of the guys in marketing as the ones who, despite being 40 and white, call each other bro and are really competitive about pick up basketball games.

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  19. Paean To The Cult of Youth by GeekBird · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This tripe from Business Week is just another paean to the cult of youth, a slap in the face of those who've actually been around a while.

    People forget that the "under 30" crowd was responsible for some of the stupidest, lamest, and most ridiculous excesses of the dot bomb. The recipe for dot com success was to only hire "young" (under 30, RCG) developers, because you "can't teach an old dog new tricks". It didn't work then, and it's still stupid now.

    The best development environment is a mix of young, middle aged, and older developers. The elder developers season the brashness of youth with experience (and pointing out why web businesses to just sell 50# bags of dog food are stupid), and the younger ones inspire creativity where the elders had become complacent.

    Would you trust a 25 year old bank president? Would you want to drive a car designed totally by a 22 year old recent college grad without the benefit of verification by a senior engineer? I wouldn't. So why in the hell should our software and computer hardware be only the product of young minds?

    Business Week should know better than to shill for the "young is best" nonsense. We've seen where that crap leads - I read lots of articles just like it in 1998 and 1999. For shame.

    BTW, I'm 44, and I said it was stupid the last time this "concept" got touted too - seven years ago...

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    1. Re:Paean To The Cult of Youth by GeekBird · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if you want in on a new technology, you have to realize your experience isn't worth crap, and your ability to adapt to new ideas real-time is the most important.

      The first part is horseshit. Experience tells you how to take ideas from dreaming and handwaving to real, working versions.

      Any developer worth his/her salt can "adapt to new ideas", and "real-time" is a piece of noveau fluff. Experience lets you dodge the chronic reinvent the wheel syndrome that companies with all of their dev staff under 30 have. A square wheel isn't a "disruptive" new idea, it's just stupid.

      BTW, if my experience isn't worth crap, how come I keep getting hired by smaller companies, rather than big dinosaurs? Maybe they understand that RCG kids aren't the be all and end all of development. Also, why are some of the brightest, most creative developers I know in their 40s? Most of the younger ones just want to play multiplayer online games that just suck money and time out of their lives, not create something worthwhile.

      This all sounds so much like the lame dot com shills from the late 90s that it isn't even funny. It was stupid then, it's stupid now. "Under 30, and on the Cutting Edge" is just a code for age discrimination, lower salaries, and the fake IT shortage that it spawned.

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    2. Re:Paean To The Cult of Youth by Bucc5062 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I very much agree. At 45 (a young 45) I feel like I am still able to provide insight and creativity to the business world. I work to keep up with the shifting snads of technology, but what experience has shown me is that the more it changes, the more it is still the same....or worse.

      Today, innovation is more about marketing and getting to market then on solid foundations of incremental improvement. granted that there are times when something can come alongthat truly changes the course of the industry, but when I read these tripe debates on which is the better language of the month (Ruby, No Pearl, No PHP, no C++, no VB, no LISP) I see folks that miss the point. It is not the language stupid, it is what you do with it, how you shape it, how soild is it's structure.

      Youth, of which I still eel some, may be great and all nighters, gulping Jolt, and cranking out code, but if the code is crap, what good was the effort. these days, when given a project play my time for a normal work day, I enjoy my life outside work and I get the projects done on time.

      the article was, is, and will be crap. It has nothing to do with the physical age of a person, it has to done with the ability of the mind to see the Concepts, the potentials, the ideas and that is ageless.

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  20. I hope so by suso · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope you're right. I just turned 30 a few weeks ago and am close to releasing my own disruptive technology that will hopefully start a new industry.

    1. Re:I hope so by Serapth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, its a good thing you didnt! I recently acquired patents to both the act of falling, and general block shapes! Now that im too old to innovate, I need to switch tracks and start sueing!

  21. do I have the chops? by boxlight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm 36, and been programming professionally for 10 years, been part of 2 failed start-ups and 2 corporate layoffs.

    After watching other managers' hits and big misses for 10 years, and learning a lot about computer programming and marketing along the way -- only *now* do i seriously feel i have the chops to take a shot at building a successful product. But will I do it?

    That's where the youthful enthusiasm comes in. Youthful enthusiasm and being under 30 is great because you don't have a wife and a mortgage payment yet. Like Steve Jobs said, "stay hungry and stay foolish". You have to be pretty "foolish" to leave a great paying programming job to take a shot on the next "digg.com" -- try telling that to you wife -- "but honey, when i get 50,000 visitors a day, *then* i'll figure out how to pay the mortgage".

    For every Bill Gates and Steve Jobs who made it big under 30, there's a thousand guys who failed a dozen times.

    More power to you, entrepeneurs -- I may join you one day. Just have to get a little more foolish first.

    boxlight

  22. Even Worse: American BIAS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That article is incredibly biased in favor of American entrepreneurs. "Businessweek" should have also included a healthy helping of European entrepreneurs.

    Also, "Businessweek" should have considered the quality of the new businesses. Even though the per-capita number of startups in Europe is lower than that in the USA, the quality of those startups is higher than the quality in the USA. Remember all the failed startups in the DotCom boom?

    Now, consider 2 stellar European startups that have made a difference. They are Opera Software (builder of the fastest, most compact browsers for Windows machines) and Virtutech (builder of the first commercial full-system computer simulator).

  23. Age Discrimination by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there are cutting edge developers over the age of 30, why are they not being covered as well? Yet again, another discrimination issue.

    Note, I am a cutting edge developer over the age of 30, and I know of many others as well.

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  24. Thinking outside the box by Confused · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Look at what they're not doing and focus on that.


    Has any of those mighty business analyst ever thought, that there might be a good reason why things are the way they are? That perhaps all those people doing business now aren't complete idiots and actually have some idea what they're doing and aren't waiting for a bunch of college kid to tell them how the world works?

    Where are all those so-terribly-bright entrepreneurs from the 90s today? Most of them are failures and learned the hard way that the ideas outside the box have been kicked out of the box because they don't work. Very clever to tell people to sift through the intellectual refuse instead of learning from other people's experience.

    And before launching into the search of the next disruptive technology, one should first check how many came along in the past 20 years. I guess there were no more than 5 worldwide, the rest were just millions of little evolutionary steps from within the box.

    Good business sense would mandate to send your potential competition on a wild goose chase for the next disruption while going on working the established market with proven ideas.
  25. Re:Remember the Dotcom failures by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What you need to do is find needs that nobody else is filling, and design cutting edge programs to fill those needs.

    Actually, my point is that you DON'T need to find something that "nobody else is filling". It's incredibly hard to find totally virgin territory. If you're waiting for that to happen, you'll probably have a very long wait.

    The play with a much higher probability of success is to find a niche with a lot of demand. The fact that there are a lot of players making money there means that it's a successful niche! The trick is to find a way to elbow your way into your share of the business (that's also called "marketing"). Of course, you want to choose a niche that you're good at.

    Take Internet hosting companies. Tons of 'em, right? Well, that's because the market is big enough to support tons of them. You don't have to reinvent the idea of a hosting company to have a successful little business with recurring income. That's just an example -- there are lots of little businesses like that.

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  26. Hardly... by Omaze · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Been saddled with too many jobs where I get pushed into a corner, loaded with completely unreasonable goals, been blocked at every angle by the management when trying to meet those goals, and then been pushed out the door. Maybe I'm the only one treated this way. It's been my experience that promotions and advancement are best modelled as a clique. If you weren't selected to be in the clique when you walked in the door then there's no chance.

    Hey... feel free to prove me wrong. Show me a job where the management gives me the tools I need to meet the goals they set. Show me a job where I can put in two years of outstanding performance and be able to ask for a raise without getting the usual,"You should be lucky just to have a job!" So far the only experience that I've had is the same that American colonists received when they were employed in the British military: happy to have you here, don't expect any recognition or thanks, if you ask for so much as a glass of water you'll be derided as a malcontent.

    I don't burn out but it's been demonstrated to me over and over that burning out is what is expected of me. If I don't acquiesce to burning out then I get chased out the door. "You will submit to failure or else we will make you fail."

    Nice.

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  27. These kids need to be beaten by DogDude · · Score: 2

    Seriously. These kids need to be beaten. I'm so SICK of reading about weasels that produce *NOTHING*, but because they can wear a suit and make a fucking PowerPoint presentation, they end up swimming in money from investors. I'm pissed off because I've spent the last 4 years beating my brains out to actually CREATE something (several full-time jobs with benefits, and a shitload of tax revenue for my town, thank you), nobody handed me a cent, and I'm still not anywhere near as loaded as these fuckwads are (I'm still in the Ramn Noodles and peanut butter phase). I mean, all they have to do is put together a presentation, put on some monkey suits, and all of a sudden they're in phat San Fran offices, sitting in Herman Miller chairs, sipping on $5 coffees, and talking about "synergy", WHILE PRODUCING NOTHING OF REAL VALUE. These are the kinds of people that I would beat senseless, given the opportunity.

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