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This Week's Government Cyborg Animal

Security writes "The BBC writes "The Pentagon's defence scientists want to create an army of cyber-insects that can be remotely controlled to check out explosives and send transmissions. The idea is to insert micro-systems at the pupa stage, when the insects can integrate them into their body, so they can be remotely controlled later. "."

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  1. The Pentagon has too much money dept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    "Pentagon defence scientists want to create an army of cyber-insects that can be remotely controlled to check out explosives and send transmissions", what could go wrong ?

    1. Re:The Pentagon has too much money dept by VolciMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      RAID - the new debugger!

    2. Re:The Pentagon has too much money dept by AgentSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gentlemen, we have a bug gap!

      We're over the rainbow on this one!

  2. Right... by titla1k · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think someone at the Pentagon has been watching too many episodes of Lost...

    1. Re:Right... by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I once got to listen to a scientist who studies insect biomechanics talk about his dealings with some of the Pentagon types. Apparently these guys had just seen "The Fifth Element", which featured a remote-controlled cockroach with a video camera installed, and they said that this was what they wanted. And he asked them, "What, so you want a machine with similar capabilities?" and they said no: they wanted a remote-controlled cockroach with audio and video feed.

      The moral of the story being, the guys who run these programs are not necessarily all that bright, nor do they have that much background in science and engineering. Sometimes they don't even seem able to tell the difference between Hollywood and real engineering. What they do have is millions and millions of dollars to throw at any fantasy you can pitch them. Not that this is really news, if you've paid attention to the development of Star Wars and it's slightly less impossible successor, National Missile Defense.

    2. Re:Right... by Descalzo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't think that's really fair. People don't need to know what's possible to know what they want, or to know what they need. How many inventions came about because someone wanted something they couldn't have? If the military wants something they can't have, they will get something closer to it that what they already have, and it will probably push the envelope of what's possible.

      If the military wants an R/C cockroach with audio/video feed, they probably can't have it. But I'll bet they get close enough to push the technological envelope, and get them maybe the smallest camera and microphone ever.

      Because someone wants something that doesn't exist doesn't make them dumb. It might make them unrealistic.

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    3. Re:Right... by BewireNomali · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i agree with you. in fact, it's a benefit that these people don't know science. Knowledgeable people often think first of the limitations - hindrances, impracticalities, etc to the reality of something. Because these non-science people don't know and are ignorant, it frees them from such limitations - in a sense allowing their imagination to run a bit more freely.

      I can't recall - but someone did a study recently about how creative thinking decreased markedly with every year of post secondary education or something like that. My nephew just turned 10. His dad isn't around so I try (poorly) to serve as some form of role model. I've noticed, with some melancholy, that he's less whimsical and prone to fancy as he learns more and becomes more task oriented. It suddenly dawned on me that the school system is designed to squash imagination and producer worker drones. But I digress.

      It's no one's fault for thinking up outlandish things - engineers should just incorporate the free-thinking meme a bit more and make these guys obsolete. That way - you'll have smart money chasing high yield ideas.

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  3. This is a good plan? by those.numbers · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think everyone involved in cutting-edge military projects should be required to read a science-contract-gone-wrong fiction book their projects. The moment I read "army of cyber-insects" I thought of Michael Crichton's book, "Prey".

    I mean, when does cyborg insects become a good plan for a means of communication? They've already developed a defense for that: A can of Raid.

    1. Re:This is a good plan? by yog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well when you shoot enough arrows, one of them is bound to hit a target. Or put another way, fund 10,000 wacky ideas and you'll get maybe one good product out of it. The internet is one such product of a DARPA project so it's probably not a bad approach.

      What I don't understand is why this would be in the international wire reports. What happened to secrecy. If they let the entire world know that these things are being developed, the targets (e.g., Iraqi insurgents) will outfit themselves with cans of insect repellent or maybe just spray paint or hair spray, anything that will disrupt or kill the insects. A group of insurgents sitting around in a room are going to notice a butterfly; it's fairly slow moving and obvious.

      Now, what would be really cool is if they developed some sort of super killer bees that have a really deadly neural toxin instead of the usual venom. One of those babies pricks you and you're dead within seconds. The bees would act like normal insects until the operator sends it a certain signal which activates some neurological pathway to sting anything that moves. This pathway would of course be based on studying the killer bees from S. America. Then release a few million of them, wait until they're near some baddies, and zap!

      Of course, if these things could breed, the entire world would be in trouble. But that's never stopped those guys before!

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    2. Re:This is a good plan? by toddhunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I don't understand is why this would be in the international wire reports. What happened to secrecy.

      Sometimes the best weapon is the weapon that the bad guys *think* you have. If people start to believe they can be killed at any time or any place it can tend to make people want to give the bad guy game up.
      The same principle is true, tell them there are 10 000 wacky ways that we can come and get them. They might not believe any of them, but you can bet they'll look twice next time a bug flies in the window.

  4. Animals in combat by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone catch this in the sidebar?

    Dolphins trained to tear off diving gear of Vietcong divers and drag them to interrogation. Later, syringes placed on dolphin flippers to inject carbon dioxide into divers, who explode. About 40 divers thought to have been killed

    Sounds like an idea that could be incorporated into Grand Theft Auto's next version.

    1. Re:Animals in combat by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dolphins trained to tear off diving gear of Vietcong divers and drag them to interrogation. Later, syringes placed on dolphin flippers to inject carbon dioxide into divers, who explode. About 40 divers thought to have been killed

      I wonder what's the BBC's source for those stories. I've heard the story about tearing off the diving gear before, but it's generally regarded as an urban legend -- after all, it would be pretty difficult to keep the hypothetical killer dolphins from attacking divers on your side.

      Also, I've never heard the thing about making divers explode by injecting them with CO2 syringes -- is that even physically possible? I'm fairly surprised, as I usually think of the BBC as being good about checking their facts.

  5. Re:Sure, but can it really be done? by xiphoris · · Score: 4, Funny

    May I be the first to ask: but do they have frickin' laser beams?!

  6. bad pun deflectors ON by s4m7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this story bug anyone else? Is that my karma I smell burning?

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  7. Stealth sharks to patrol the high seas by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Informative


    01 March 2006
    NewScientist.com news service
    Susan Brown
    IMAGINE getting inside the mind of a shark: swimming silently through the ocean, sensing faint electrical fields, homing in on the trace of a scent, and navigating through the featureless depths for hour after hour.

    We may soon be able to do just that via electrical probes in the shark's brain. Engineers funded by the US military have created a neural implant designed to enable a shark's brain signals to be manipulated remotely, controlling the animal's movements, and perhaps even decoding what it is feeling.

    That team is among a number of groups around the world that have gained ethical approval to develop implants that can monitor and influence the behaviour of animals, from sharks and tuna to rats and monkeys. These researchers hope such implants will improve our understanding of how the animals interact with their environment, as well as boosting research into tackling human paralysis.

    More controversially, the Pentagon hopes to exploit sharks' natural ability to glide quietly through the water, sense delicate electrical gradients and follow chemical trails. By remotely guiding the sharks' movements, they hope to transform the animals into stealth spies, perhaps capable of following vessels without being spotted. The project, funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), based in Arlington, Virginia, was presented at the Ocean Sciences Meeting in Honolulu, Hawaii, last week.

    Neural implants consist of a series of electrodes that are embedded into the animal's brain, which can then be used to stimulate various functional areas. Biologist Jelle Atema of Boston University and his students are using them to "steer" spiny dogfish in a tank via a phantom odour. As the dogfish swims about, the researchers beam a radio signal from a laptop to an antenna attached to the fish at one end and sticking up out of the water at the other. The electrodes then stimulate either the right or left of the olfactory centre, the area of the brain dedicated to smell. The fish flicks round to the corresponding side in response to the signal, as if it has caught a whiff of an interesting smell: the stronger the signal, the more sharply it turns.

    The team is not the first to attempt to control animals in this way. John Chapin of the State University of New York Health Science Center in Brooklyn has used a similar tactic to guide rats through rubble piles (New Scientist, 25 September 2004, p 21). Chapin's implant stimulates a part of the brain that is wired to their whiskers, so the rats instinctively turn toward the tickled side to see what has brushed by. Chapin rewards that response by stimulating a pleasure centre in the rats' brains. Using this reward process, he has trained the rodents to pause for 10 seconds when they smell a target chemical such as RDX, a component of plastic explosives.

    The New York Police Department is considering recruiting Chapin's rats to its disaster response team, where they could be used to detect bombs or even trapped people, and Chapin met them to discuss the possibility last month.

    However, Chapin's "mind patch" only works in one direction: he can stimulate movement or reward an action, but he cannot directly measure what the rat smells, which is why he has to train them to reveal what they are sensing. DARPA's shark researchers, in contrast, want to use their implant to detect and decipher the different patterns of neural activity that indicate the animal has detected an ocean current, a scent or an electrical field. The implant sports a small pincushion of wires that sink into the brain to record activity from many neurons at once. The team plans to program a microprocessor to recognise which patterns of brain activity correlate with which scents.

    Atema plans to use the implants to study how sharks track chemical trails. We know that sharks have an extremely acute sense of smell, but exactly how the animals deploy that sense in the wild has so far been a matter of co

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    1. Re:Stealth sharks to patrol the high seas by cyberwench · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That team is among a number of groups around the world that have gained ethical approval to develop implants that can monitor and influence the behaviour of animals, from sharks and tuna to rats and monkeys.

      Um... from whom, exactly? I'm pretty hesitant about it, and I can't imagine most ethics committees green-lighting anything of the sort.
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    2. Re:Stealth sharks to patrol the high seas by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most probably, the same ethics committee that cleared the use of torture in Guantanamo base.

      Sadly, I don't expect much ethics from these guys.

      And yes, this is sickening.

  8. Audio & Video? by Nqdiddles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From TFA:
    The "insect-cyborg" must also "be able to transmit data from relevant sensors, yielding information about the local environment. These sensors can include gas sensors, microphones, video, etc." (emphasis added)
    Right. I'm off to flyscreen my entire yard. And stock up on Mortein. Given the current trends (at least in the U.S), carrying insect repellant could soon be considered a suspicious act...

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  9. wait a minute.... by josepha48 · · Score: 2, Informative
    .. I saw that x-files episode ...LOL..

    No joke there was an episode about something like that. Really weird, only I think it involved the tabacco industry....

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    1. Re:wait a minute.... by EtherealStrife · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wrong. The episode you mentioned has nicotine-addicted tobacco beetles laying their eggs in the tobacco, so second hand smokers who breath in the fumes (and don't have a steady stream of cigarettes) are eaten alive by the hatching beetles. Nicotine in the lung cells and all that.

  10. Ethical Questions by Lky1337 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Ethical Implications of this plan are just sickeing. We all know it will only be a few years (decades?) before this technology is advanced enough to control every movement that an infected animal makes. Why spend billions of dollars to develope an ASIMO type stand-alone robot for physical labor when you can just jamb $200 neurocontroller into the brain of a fetal monkey and have a basicaly free slave creature? And don't even get me started on the privacy ramificiations. We need to get some international laws established to govern the abuse of tehnologys like this. Training dolphins and dogs for warefare is one thing, but forcing them to act with microchips inside thier brains is another entirely.

    1. Re:Ethical Questions by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you kidding?

      I'd get a cyborg monkey. If my parents ever complained that my basement was getting too messy all I'd have to do is add a cronjob.

      I for one welcome our new Linux-running cyborg monkeys.

    2. Re:Ethical Questions by Lky1337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Im not just a bleeding heart here. I cant see being trapped in a body that you are not in control of, but can still feel, must be the punishment in some level of hell. Its calous to just write-off all the other critters on this planet just because thier not "sentient". Frankly, apes have advanced social dynamics, are tool-using, can learn to do sign-language, paint interperativly, ect. They're only a few evoloutionary steps behind us. If fact, the only thing that seperates them from us is... Wait for it.... ETHICS Im an Intellectual, and an Athiest, and I still know its wrong to light cats on fire and throw them into my history profs front lawn. If you disregard ethics, you disregard a great deal of what makes us human.

    3. Re:Ethical Questions by Gooba42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Prior discussion was had on the vast difference between "sentience" and "sapience". These animals are sentient, they simply think differently from us and are thus not "sapient".

      They are aware and capable of feeling pain, distress and at least rudimentary emotions, the impact and value of which are immeasurable in humans who can tell us what they're thinking. How fair is it to impose these things on creatures who can feel but cannot express?

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    4. Re:Ethical Questions by Gooba42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More importantly and less obviously, what impact does it have on the world when no creature is allowed to cross a border or simply exist in their native environment without being considered a security threat?

      Fishing for food is already measurably damaging our environment. What happens when we start fishing for defense? When migratory birds are shot down on sight? When the salmon spawning cycle is a security risk?

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    5. Re:Ethical Questions by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Informative
      So? They are non-sentient creatures.

      You keep using that word but I think it doesn't mean what you think it does...
      sentient adjective able to percieve or feel things
      (from The New Oxford Dictionary of English 1998)

      FYI, most of our planet's lifeforms are sentient. And apes are litterally cousins to us. Turining them into remote controlled zombies is pretty much the same as doing it to a member of a remote human tribe.

      Most vertabrates also have a good perception of their own body. Depriving them of it certainly would be unethical. Even if the widget would make them unaware of the fact. Not to mention that of course it has to be for some kind of defense related project...
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  11. Re:Insects would be ideal allies. by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Funny
    Think of the possibilities. Surveilance, stealthy assasination, infiltrating the most secure locations are just the beginning. Enough of them could drug entire populations with psychotropic meds at election time.

    Well, that would help explain the the past two presidential elections.

  12. The Zerg? by jace78 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Larva are spawned by Zerg Hives and carry within them the entire Zerg genetic code. At a command of the Overmind, they may pupate into an egg stage, and then transform themselves into any Zerg breed as along as the local conditions are right (there are adequate resources to nourish the pupating larva, etc.). By themselves, Larva show little intelligence and no free will..." Perfect cronyism.

  13. Sounds buggy to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So computerised military hardware mustn't have had enough bugs in it.

  14. This week in 'America on the march!' by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 4, Funny

    *grainy, generic march music begins to play*
    *A title appears: 'America on the March!'"
    *The music tones down as a narrator speaks, as if from a tin can and the screen fades from black to black and white shots of marching soldiers seen from the knees down*

    "America's army is on the march! Fighting a seemingly unwinable, eternal war against The Terrorist!"

    *Scene shifts to a variety of different described settings, faded with the image of a stereotypical terrorist constant throught.*

    "But our enemies could lurk anywhere! In your homes, your gardens, your playgrounds, buisness and even your schools! You may never know your neighbor is a terrorist until... Bam!"

    *His words are accompanied by a cheese cartoon explosion and the letters 'BAM', scene opens to a nuclear family clutching each other in exgaggerated fear and surprise*

    "But never fear! Our great leader, President Bush is at the helm!"

    *Scene flips to shots of street riots and total chaos. An obvious mistake as the film interrupts with the message 'scene missing'*
    *The narrator, obviously recorded before the film had even began to be assembled, carries on.

    "And with him, some of the greatest scientific minds of our time are gathered, providing ever improving technologies to combat our invisible enemies. Here at the Pentagon, every day yeilds exciting new discoveries in the world of chemistics, internets, domestic spying, robotics, and cybornetics!"

    *The film hastly flips to shots of each of these things, trying to get back on track.*
    *Finally, the film settles back to normal speed and begins to move through the same shots as before the terrorised family was shown;now the dim outline of a superman-shaped soldier is present.*

    "Now we have the ability to make soldiers that can be found everywhere The Terrorists can be! Gardens, playgrounds, and schools! No, we're not talking about you, Timmy."

    *Stock footage is shown of a clearly disappointed 12 year old...who is looking down at his ice cream which has fallen from his cone to the sidewalk.*

    "Tomorrows soldier is in countless supply! The army ant! Thanks to modern cybernetics, mother nature her self is mobilizing against the unyeilding threat posed by global terrorism! The Ants are coming, and they are on America's side; there's no other side to be on! So remember those immortal words, as America is on the March:"

    *The Music begins to wrap up as the scene moves to a black and white photo of president Bush infront of an American flag.*
    *The Narration yeilds to an echoy snipit of the Presidents speech.*

    "If you do not stand by us, then your are with the Terrorists..."

    *Scene fades to an image of the spinning earth placed on the back drop of an overhead view of the skull-like Stealth Fighter.*
    *Music returns to full volume as it concludes.*
    *The lights flick out as the music ends...*

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  15. Re:Hmm by jasonditz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good news, the Air Force is already on it (see page 35, note also this is a PDF, and pretty large))

    Here's the money quote:
    The civilian populace will likely accept an implanted microscopic chips that allow military members to defend vital national interests.

  16. Wow! by wkitchen · · Score: 2
    The idea is to insert micro-systems at the pupa stage, when the insects can integrate them into their body, so they can be remotely controlled later.
    It's like religion for bugs. Implant 'em while they're young so you can control 'em later.
  17. Bat Bombs! by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...Or not studying the history books enough. The US Armed forces have an unfortunate history with animals doing the dirty work, at least with bats carrying incendiary bombs during WWII.

    Supposedly during one of the tests, someone got the bright idea to take a picture of the sleeping bats before carting them out to the test area (asleep and equipped with their little napalm canisters.) They all woke up with the flash. And, as they say, Hilarity Ensued.

    We (humans) have never had good luck at this sort of thing. The Russians tried it with dogs carrying satchel charges; they trained the dogs by feeding them underneath tanks. Well, the only problem was that they used Russian tanks to train 'em, not German tanks...and apparently dogs are very good at distinguishing between Russian and German tanks.

    And again, Hilarity Ensued.

  18. Come on guys... by Smarty2120 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stop blowing our tax dollars on this crap and develop something useful, like an army of trained monkey butlers (with cute little hats).

  19. Re:Hmm by flackrum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those of you who dislike messing with PDFs, here's the google cache in HTML Format

  20. Paul Bunyan by ELProphet · · Score: 3, Funny

    This reminds me of a Paul Bunyan story I heard once...

    SO, Paul and the guys were logging in the Wisconsin area, when all of a sudden, the entire horizon fills with dark, ominous clouds. Well, not to be pushed around by some rain or maybe a little hail, the guys keep on working. But as the cloud comes closer, they start hearing these strange buzzing sounds. Finally, they realize that it is indeed not a storm, but a huge cloud of Giant Mosquitoes!

    Well, the guys haul but into the tin huts, but the giant mosquitoes start punching holes in the roof with their stingers! Paul, always being a quick thinker, grabs a hammer and starts pounding on the mosquito stingers, and they get flattened to the roof. Now, some of the mosquitoes couldn't get in or out, and the rest called it quits.

    Now, Paul knew that the mosquitoes would probably be back, so he sent young Tom down the river to St. Louis to bring back some of them Guard Bees he had heard about. Tom gets back a couple of weeks later, and the bees proceed to fly patrol around the camp.

    That was all fine great and dandy, until the Mosquitoes actually came back. See, the mosquitoes and the bees liked each other so much, they flew off and got married. Sure enough, their bee-squitoe kids came back a couple of weeks later with stingers on BOTH ends!

    In the end, their craving for sweets caused them to swarm a fleet of ships which were bringing molasses to Paul's lumbercamp. They ate so much molasses that they could no longer fly and soon they were all drowned. Paul saved two of the mosquitoes which he later used for drilling holes in maple trees.

  21. Re:Sure, but can it really be done? by FirienFirien · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, they already had RC roaches back in 2001: 1, 2.

    The equipment on both of those looks off-the-shelf and testing-mode rather than optimised for size. Granted, those are big roaches, but you can betcha that 5 years on things have got a lot smaller; and if it goes towards use, then it'll be better funded and use smaller components.

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  22. Low-calorie content by Peter+Mork · · Score: 2, Informative

    Articles about science (-fiction?) need to be covered by journalists that understand the meaning of various words. Take, for example, the following quote from TFA:

    "Darpa believes scientists can take advantage of the evolution of insects, such as dragonflies and moths, in the pupa stage."

    Methinks the author has conflated evolution with development.

  23. This could actually lead to some useful research by Gat0r30y · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It could be useful. I.E. development of interfaces between biological materials (insect eyes and the like) and electronics. I don't think the particular incarnation that they are talking about (nobody suspects the butterfly, but seriously). This direction of research could be particularly useful in the development of implants.

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