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UK Demands Sourcecode for Strike Fighters

An anonymous reader writes ""The UK has warned America that it will cancel its £12bn order for the Joint Strike Fighter if the US does not hand over full access to the computer software code that controls the jets" Lord Drayson, minister for defense procurement, told the The Daily Telegraph that the planes were useless without control of the software as they could effectively be "switched off" by the Americans without warning."

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  1. We can fix it! by SEWilco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gee, give us a few jets and we'll get right on writing Open Source Software for them...

    1. Re:We can fix it! by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hate to be around when the emacs vs. vi and/or KDE vs. Gnome flame wars erupt. This time, it's going to be a literal flame war.

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    2. Re:We can fix it! by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Gee, give us a few jets and we'll get right on writing Open Source Software for them..."
      And the first time a pilot requests a feature, you guys will sigh heavily, roll your eyes and tell him there is a free terminal running emacs that he can get to work on immediately if it's so important. ;)
  2. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well after 1776 and 1812, can ya blame America for a little fail-safe? /tongue_in_cheek

    1. Re:Come on by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

      FTA "...as [the planes] could effectively be "switched off" by the Americans without warning."

      Actually it's not that the British doesn't trust us or that there is a failsafe, it's that we would accidently turn off their planes.

      Personally, I don't think we should turn over the source code, because then the British would see that it runs on a Playstation 3.

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    2. Re:Come on by general_re · · Score: 2, Funny
      Plus hey it's 6am

      No it isn't. Don't be pulling that GMT bullshit on me, mister ;)

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    3. Re:Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      George W., is that you? :-)

  3. Loss of service by Sduic · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...as [the planes] could effectively be "switched off" by the Americans without warning."

    I wouldn't want to be the pilot when that happens. :-)

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  4. The real reason. by gklinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    America's reticence to hand over the source code has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with embarrassment. Why? The plane's control software in Visual Basic.

    1. Re:The real reason. by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sure? I thought it was in C#, with the GUI in BASICA.

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  5. The F-22 Under GPL! by flyingrobots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they'll post it on Sourceforge ;)

    1. Re:The F-22 Under GPL! by Sartak · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must have misunderstood. The F-22 is licensed to the JPL.

  6. Command Navigation Program by Swifti · · Score: 5, Funny

    More info about the Joint Strike Fighter's navigation software here.

  7. Re:Folks, the Cold War is over by ross.w · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well I can't call you an American 'cause then I'd offend the people in Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.

    They're part of America too you know.

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  8. Nothing to see here by lhoriman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lockheed's chief scientist, Dr. Gaius Baltar, stated last Friday: "There is absolutely, I repeat, absolutely, no way that the Joint Strike Fighters could be shut down with a software instruction".

  9. Someone's been watching Battlestar Galactica... by surfcow · · Score: 2, Funny

    There goes our secret plan to take over England.

    Drats. Foiled again.

  10. Watching Too Much StarTrek? by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 4, Funny
    Of course, if the USA Military didn't have the idea before this, they do now.

    "OK, Kahn. Here it comes....."

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  11. Re:Is that for real? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or, would I buy something as critical as an operating system without having access to its source code...oh...wait, nevermind.

  12. Leaked bit of source code by jjustus · · Score: 3, Funny


    if enemy.shot_down
    cockpit_announce("Top Gun!");
    kill_count += 1;
    if kill_count > 5
    cockpit_announce("Killing Spree!");
    end
    end

  13. Re:Nuclear reactors by nick1000 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sir,
    We will try to implement your noteworthy ideas soon.
    As you may be aware the software used by US nuke companies is already coded in India.

    Director
    Indian Secret Service
    P.S. By the way is their a nuclear plant near wherever you live ??

  14. Mohammed and the Han by cnflctd · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are half a billion muslims of uncertain stability just to their north, and on hop further, a largish empire thats churning out killer machines at ever increasing rates.

    The Ausies should pony up for a few hunter-killer subs while they're at it.

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    1. Re:Mohammed and the Han by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      half a billion unstable muslims? What about the half billion unstable christians? I'd be more concerened about them at the moment.

      The nutjob mulims just blow shit up. The nutjob christians remove your rights and do it for "your own good"

  15. What econoomy are you living in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What depressive economy are you talking about.

    The US economy is just fine, thanks!

    1. Re:What econoomy are you living in? by Warg!+The+Orcs!! · · Score: 2, Funny

      He didn't say the economy was depressed, he said it was depressive.....

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  16. Re:Folks, the Cold War is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    >> Why does Australia need such high power weaponry anyway?

    Have you SEEN the size of those cane toads?!

  17. Re:Nice to see... by jimicus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Small wonder our enemies don't trust us.

    If they trusted you they wouldn't be your enemy.

  18. That's not it at all! by x2A · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the americans don't want anybody to discover that they've used chunks of GPL code

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  19. Re:Not really... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because otherwise the Brits have loved the French for, oh the past thousand years....

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  20. Licence agreement? by babbling · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if the licence agreement has a clause stating that if you don't agree, you can return them for a full refund.

    Maybe the UK could get money back for the fighters they have already bought.

    1. Re:Licence agreement? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not just return the missiles? Saves on postage and packing, and has a very low rate of vendor complaints afterwards. ;-)

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  21. As well noted. by jonbusby · · Score: 2, Funny

    As well noted the US has a history of thieving other countries technology on the pretence that they're going to "share" the result. If I remember rightly (although I cant find any information to back this up) they asked to see alot of our development files on the Eurofighter, saw what brillient research we had done, and stole it to produce parts of the F22. Still if they share the source code on this maybe things will change. I wonder what its written in anyway!

  22. Re:Is that for real? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the security at the manufacturer is as good as the Department of Homeland Security's, I guess it will be all over teh intarwenbs within a week or so anyway.

    For the third straight year, the Department of Homeland Security -- which is charged with charting the federal government's cyber security agenda -- earned a grade of "F" for computer security

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  23. Re:Similar to USA-Japan Technology-Sharing Dispute by Bombula · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hopefully, Tokyo will not succumb to American pressure and will design a 100% all-Japanese interceptor.

    I can only assume you're talking about the long-awaited development of veritech fighters.

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  24. Re:Once Bitten. by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2, Funny

    So there's a bunch of Apaches in a shed and no-one wants to fly them? Errm... I'm up for it, where do I sign up? What are the hours?

  25. Re:Similar to USA-Japan Technology-Sharing Dispute by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Maybe Europe alone can build a match for the F-22, in a 10-15 years, but by then the USA will have something better.

    Yep, the US technological advantage today is at least a decade. That's why I recorded the film on my VHS VCR last night, and I'll be tootling off home in my Austin Metro at the end of the day to play Doom on my state-of-the-art 80386 PC.

    Still, at least my job's safe: my group writes the core software for a major US corporation, and as long as they have to make sure we can't take our bang-up-to-date 1990s skillsets and use them to benefit a British company, they can't fire me! I'm sure the same is true of all the major defence companies in the region, who only supply their technology to the US military and would never dream of offering it to our own as well, or even instead.

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  26. Re:To be fair by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 5, Funny

    We are at peace with the Brits; We have always been at peace with the Brits. =)

  27. Re:Is that for real? by JerkBoB · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does that include the skin lute?

    *ka-thud*

    That was your lame joke falling flat on its face. A lute is a stringed instrument, dumbass.

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  28. Re:Is that for real? by Politburo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who mods up these ridiculous analogies? Does this make any fucking sense? Analogies are supposed to make things clearer by comparing them to a scenario the audience is familiar with. Is anyone here familiar with a neighbor with a crackhead son and an engine killswitch? Anyone?

  29. EEEK! by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny
    You seem to have understood the meaning of the phrase "joint strike".

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  30. Recompile??? (was:Is that for real?) by soren42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, basically, you're suggesting the Gentoo Strike Fighter or GSF. If I read at least part of your intentions correctly, you imply that every foreign buyer should essentially:

    emerge fighter-software

    on every piece of imported equipment.

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    1. Re:Recompile??? (was:Is that for real?) by Iron+E · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Compiling"? You must be joking...

      pilot@JSF T=0900 $ emerge missile-launcher

      Calculating dependencies... done!

      !!! Error: the weapons/missile-launcher package conflicts with another package;
      !!! the two packages cannot be installed on the same system together.
      !!! Please use 'emerge --pretend' to determine blockers.

      pilot@JSF T=0902 $ emerge --pretend missile-launcher

      These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

      Calculating dependencies... done!
      [blocks B ] engine/thrust-control (is blocking weapons/missile-launcher-1.0.3-r9)
      [ebuild U ] misc/landing-gear-0.7.14-r2 [0.7.14-r1]
      [ebuild N ] weapons/missile-launcher-1.0.3-r9

      pilot@JSF T=0905 $
      Broadcast message from radard (Fri Mar 16 09:05:31 2007):

      WARNING: left aileron destroyed by enemy machine gun fire!

      pilot@JSF T=0905 $ eject

  31. Re:Is that for real? by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should do more than give the software to the Brits they should open source it. I want a flight simulator running the exact same code the actually fighter runs. When the aliens come I will drive my RV to a desert airbase, jump in one of these bad boys and use it to inject a virus into the aliens mainframe causing it to self-destruct. That is the power of open source.

  32. Re:To be fair by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    the Brits

    you mean Airstrip One.

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  33. Re:Is that for real? by VagaStorm · · Score: 3, Funny

    First off all; I dont think parent tries to be funny, so stop the mad moding.

    Second; I think many /. readers relate better to cars, remote controled alarms and crack heads than they do to high level politics and advanced military equipment.

    Third; Even I find it rather rude comparing the us military to a crackhead. In some contries embasies are tourtched over cartoons, good knows what this could result in :p

  34. Screw'em. by tgrigsby · · Score: 1, Funny

    We've produced the best fighter jet in existence, and it can't be turned against us. Y'know, I'm just not seeing a downside here. If they don't want the best, let them get a second rate jet without our security features. No problem. They can then turn those jets against us, but we'll have the better fighters, and they'll be raining out of the sky. Or they can be smart about it, buy the jets, and just not use them against us.

    I say screw'em. In the end, they'll buy the jets.

    Of course, they'll then turn a team of 12 year old hackers on them and probably have them cracked in a single weekend, but that's a separate issue.....

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