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America's War on the Web

An anonymous reader writes "The Sunday Herald is reporting that while the US is continuing to pursue traditional means of protecting national security, they are also planning to launch a new wave of 'information warfare' to help combat a perceived growing threat of IT security. From the article: 'The Pentagon has already signed off $383 million to force through the document's recommendations by 2009. Military and intelligence sources in the US talk of "a revolution in the concept of warfare". The report orders three new developments in America's approach to warfare [...] the Pentagon says it will wage war against the internet in order to dominate the realm of communications, prevent digital attacks on the US and its allies, and to have the upper hand when launching cyber-attacks against enemies.'"

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  1. Better Article.... by toleraen · · Score: 5, Informative

    A summary with a bit more information (and without horrible formatting errors), including a link to the actual document, can be found here. Apparently it's been declassified for a couple months now...but better to get this info out a little late then never I suppose.

    1. Re:Better Article.... by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

      By following that "link", you'll also get your "recommended daily allowance" of "scare quotes" in "giant headlines".

    2. Re:Better Article.... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's pretty ridiculous anyway...Major government websites fail security audits every year, and they don't spend any time working on them, they don't come up with intelligent standards...I've got my quarterly corporate audit sitting on the desk right in front of me.

      The right way to do it would be to harden your local security, rather than trying any kind of offense. A good offense is only the best defense if you have a freaking target. If you don't have a target, either you have to invent one *cough*Iraq*cough* or you flail about like an idiot and look foolish.

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    3. Re:Better Article.... by AndroSyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not all government websites are painfully insecure. Some branches of the government do take security quite seriously and are quite proactive and have very effective security policies. With that said, its very possible to be both proactive with regards to defense security measures and still formulate offensive actions at the same time. Also there is nothing wrong with planning for hypothetical offensive actions against hypothetical threats.

    4. Re:Better Article.... by lbrandy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A summary with a bit more information (and without horrible formatting errors), including a link to the actual document, can be found here. Apparently it's been declassified for a couple months now...but better to get this info out a little late then never I suppose.

      This article and summary seems like a huge troll to me. It's carefully worded to be inflamatory, and appears to be, in large part, wrong. The US isn't preparing for war "on" the internet... as much as it's preparing for a war via the internet. The article goes on to use a bunch of careful prepositional games where I have to guess whether the US is actually thinking about attacking the internet... or considering how warfare will be conducted via the internet. It then goes on to quote a bunch of unnamed military guys saying things that I've never heard them say before...

      Every plan I know of details a plan for electronic warfare using the internet.... yet here you have some terrible editorial trying to stir the spot, feeding into the slashdot groupthink and... stirring the pot. You already have people talking about the US "attacking" the internet. This is just shoddy journalism and bad editorializing to preach to a bunch of sheep. And the sheep cometh...

    5. Re:Better Article.... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Everything you could ever want to know:
      From the Rand Corp.

      They're 'non-partisan', so they are at least making an effort at actually being "Fair and Balanced". And they've been writing papers about Information Warfare since the mid-90s

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    6. Re:Better Article.... by mspohr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Strange...the Bush crew is often portrayed as bumblers who can't do anything right, then they are accused of being devious co-conspirators to rule the world. Which is it guys?"

      I think it's both... They want to be devious co-conspirators who want to rule the world but they really are clueless bumblers.

      Unfortunately, their clueless bumbling is a threat to world stability without any real control ... worst of both worlds.

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    7. Re:Better Article.... by hazem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Strange...the Bush crew is often portrayed as bumblers who can't do anything right, then they are accused of being devious co-conspirators to rule the world. Which is it guys?

      I think it's a case of stupid-productive people.

      Given a matrix with two qualities: smart vs stupid, and productive vs unproductive

      smart productive people are the best - they do lots of stuff and do it well
      smart unproductive people are generally non-harmful - they do stuff well, but just not much of it
      stupid unproductive people are generally non-harmful too - they might do stupid stuff, but they don't do much of it

      It's the stupid-productive people that you really have to watch out for. Not only do they do stupid stuff, they do a lot of it.

    8. Re:Better Article.... by baKanale · · Score: 3, Funny

      The US isn't preparing for war "on" the internet... as much as it's preparing for a war via the internet. The article goes on to use a bunch of careful prepositional games where I have to guess whether the US is actually thinking about attacking the internet... or considering how warfare will be conducted via the internet.

      I dunno. I think it's a good idea to attack the Internet, given that warfare will be conducted on it in the future. Kinda like attacking the physical planet itself, because warfare is conducted on it's surface.

      Oh, wait...

    9. Re:Better Article.... by da.maestro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Navies make war on boats. These guys will make war on the Internet.

      Get the idea?

      Very cleverly worded and ambiguous, until you RTFA and think about it for a second.

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    10. Re:Better Article.... by Crash6-24 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Read "The Peace War" by Vernor Vinge for a future view of nearly-absolute power and how information mis-management can subvert it.

    11. Re:Better Article.... by Soulslayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eh? The libertarian party is generally referred to as being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. They are for the maximum amount of personal social freedoms, minimal government (meaning lack of bloat, not lack of functional rule), and free markets with minimal (not non-existent) regulation.

      http://www.lp.org/article_85.shtml

      The libertarian party is hardly "new conservatism." Rather, it's one of the more logical centrist parties out there.

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  2. Cyber-terror Unlikely by wiz31337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The last time I checked Al-Qaeda uses a rather primitive approach to terrorism. They use incendiary devices in shoes, which often fail, second hand weapons, and other non-technical approaches.

    The website for Al-Qaeda should be near the bottom of the list for the defense department.

    Everyone has the idea that terrorists will one day hack into the power grid and cripple the stock market. They should focus on protecting the power grids from physical attacks before they start focusing on "cyber terrorism" where they could take the grid by "hacking into the system."

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    1. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by IcyNeko · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's totally not the point. It's George Bush. He's afraid of the new threat across the internet. If people were to realize that they can actually "increas e the si ze of your peen1s", then suddenly Americans everywhere would have "great, gigantic American Penis" while George Bush would have "vely small penis", which as we learned from our friends at South Park, would undermine his ability to manipulate the country.

    2. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of the protections we've been putting up are (poorly built) against unlikely attacks. However, they are glamourus attacks. Ones that sound good.

      If you realize the main point of these protections is to get people elected, this makes perfect sense.

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    3. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I even heard the Taliban has a version of the Amish Virus:

      "You have just received the Taliban virus.

      Since we have no electricity or computers, you are on the honor system.

      Please delete all of your files on your hard drive. Then forward this message to everyone in your address book.

      Praise Allah."

    4. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by cat6509 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "The website for Al-Qaeda should be near the bottom of the list for the defense department."

      I disagree, the Internet is a great propoganda tool ( on both sides ), it is ideal for sending discrete messages, some degree of anonmity, synchronizing activities in distant places etc. It is not FUD to say that these capabilities can be exploited to their advantage.
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    5. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by Loualbano2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. Because Al-Qaeda is the only and last terrorist group to ever exist. And because they instituted this thing only to fuck with terrorists.

      Communications in a war or whatever they want to call blowing shit up this week is fairly important.

      Not having an a plan in place to disrupt your enemy's and protect your own communications would be irresponsible, even if there is no official war.

      I do agree with your comment about protecting other things first, but there's no reason to not to this just because other things aren't being done. I am sure there's someone out there trying to get those things done too.

    6. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are naive. Al qaeda has many members; some of them are essentially armed thugs while others may be highly talented programmers. Do not underestimate Al Qaeda or related terrorist cells; our underestimation of Al Qaeda is probably the #1 contributing factor to September 11.

      They are more organized and better planned than you think. There are undoubtedly people in Al Qaeda who are smarter than you. Their stated goal is to bring instability to the American economy and thus American society. The moment you say "Oh, we don't have to worry about that, those sand rats could never work a computer!" is the moment you realize your bank accounts have been drained (do that to a couple thousand people and create a mass hysteria where people don't trust banks.)

      Just because they're misguided and brainwashed doesn't mean they can't use technology. In fact, some of them might say the same about you (the misguided and brainwashed part.)

    7. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Please delete all of your files on your hard drive. Then forward this message to everyone in your address book.

      How like them, a suicide run.

    8. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by Fizzog · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Please delete all of your files on your hard drive. Then forward this message to everyone in your address book."

      Which is like the guy who comes home to find his wife in bed with another man...

      He calmly walks to the dresser, opens a drawer, pulls out a revolver and puts it to his temple.

      His wife says: " For God's sake, don't!"

      To which he replies: " Shut up woman. You're next!"

    9. Re:Cyber-terror Unlikely by XchristX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is the most singularly insightful thing I have ever heard about al-qaeda in an internet forum. Bravo!

      Their being terrorists is not what makes them so bloody dangerous. What makes them so bloody dangerous is that they are SMART terrorists. They use the internet as a propaganda tool to portray themselves as "Romantic Desperadoes" trying to rid the world of poverty, disease, crime, secularists, socialists etc. Then they subtly change that to "America, Canada, Britain, Spain, Israel, India, China, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Freedom of women, etc. ".

      They create the muslim version of the concept that it's "cool to die for Allah" and butcher people like cattle on television.
      They are a lot like drug pushers that way, slithering their way into the minds of impressionable teenagers in the Muslim world and converting them into suicide bombers.

      Wasn't there an article on slashdot some days ago about an al-qaeda black hat hacker who got caught?

      Found it:
      http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/26/053 0206

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  3. They've already attacked by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone has been dropping spam bombs on my mailbox for years now.

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  4. The lines blur once more. by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Our civil liberties are eroding like a California mud-slide.

    E.g. an American creates an anti-us website, and happens to cross-link an image located on a Pakistani website. Now this is considered an "international communication channel" which justifies to the NSA full sniffing of packets, forfeiture of logs from the ISP, etc.

    Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/

    1. Re:The lines blur once more. by tsotha · · Score: 2, Insightful
      E.g. an American creates an anti-us website...

      That's an interesting choice of words. Not "a website critical of US policy" or an "anti-Bush website". An "anti-us" website.

      This is why conservatives don't trust American liberals (leftists). We have always suspected the "I love my country but hate its policies" line was really just a public face for "My country isn't perfect so I'm willing to work against the interests of my fellow citizens".

      If someone creates an "anti-us" site, not just a site critical of US policies, or Bush administration policies, they should get scrutiny from the US government. Sedition is not a civil liberty. I'm not saying the site owner should be necessarily arrested or the site shut down, but the same people who are crying over lost civil liberties now will be whining "why weren't you tracking these people?" when the next attack occurs.

    2. Re:The lines blur once more. by isotope23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is why conservatives don't trust American liberals (leftists).

      And its sad that both words have been hijacked. Today's liberal is in reality a socialist,
      while today's conservative would be either authoritarian or national socialist.

      Classical Liberalism
      Classical Conservatism

      It is truly a shame that the country has wandered so far from its roots....

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    3. Re:The lines blur once more. by vandon · · Score: 4, Informative
      Sedition is not a civil liberty. I'm not saying the site owner should be necessarily arrested or the site shut down....


      Umm...yes it is, at least in the US. It may get you noticed, but it is most assuredly a 1st amendment civil right. Congress may try to take it away, but that is why the courts are a check and balance to congress.

      The Sedition Act of 1918 was repealed in 1921. Legal experts view the Sedition Act as being antithetical to the letter and spirit of the United States Constitution, specifically the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Anti-governmental-defamation laws similar to the Sedition Act are still in place in some of the world's most repressive countries, including North Korea and Libya.

      -and more recently,

      Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. asserted that "if there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable." Many in Congress vilified the decision of the Court. The House unanimously passed a resolution denouncing the Court; the Senate did the same with only three dissents.
    4. Re:The lines blur once more. by Mancat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when it becomes too much, who can we rely on to help us?

      Our guns.

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  5. Cyber Attacks by umrgregg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Submit the targeted server to Agent CmdrTaco. His legion of followers will take care of the rest.

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  6. Re:Is this new? by wiz31337 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We brought the Internet into this world, and by God we can take it back out!"

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  7. smac is ever appropriate by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri proves to be the best game ever made:

    As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

    --Pravin Lal

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  8. Let me guess... by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government is going to contract this job out to Cyberdyne Systems in California?

    Seriously, we are able (most of the time) to have oversight on what the government is doing to its own citizens, and that hasn't worked out so well in the US so far... can I mention here things like: The pristine bullet, McCarthy, weather control, and a number of other things that 'seemed ok at the time' but later turned out very wrong, and would have been stopped with oversight.

    WHO (not the doctor or the World Health Organization) is going to monitor those in the government that will be monitoring the Internet? Mr Orwell, we miss you!

  9. Wall of the 'US internet' by haluness · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd think that the simplest solution would be to (ironically) wall of the US internet. Of course this would allow the rest of the internet to publish what they want.

    So is the US essentially saying that it wants to control (or influence in nicer terms) the entire internet?

  10. Scary by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The report says the US military's first priority is that the "department [of defence] must be prepared to 'fight the net'". The internet is seen in much the same way as an enemy state by the Pentagon because of the way it can be used to propagandise, organise and mount electronic attacks on crucial US targets.

    It can also be used to say, spread the truth about illegal covert activities by the US against sovereign nations, allow oppressed people to get word out about their plight, give Americans a say in how their money is spent, and generally promote freedom and democracy. I can see why the Pentagon would be so frightened by the Internet.

    Sorry to tell the pointy-heads in the Pointy-gon, but you're going to have a hard time bringing down even small portions of the Net. Perhaps you can take out individual sites, or even clusters of sites that reside on the same server farm, but I doubt they could take out enough to stop Internet traffic. They could certainly disseminate false or misleading information, but hey, people do that everyday already. As to dominating communications around the planet, the only thing I know of that can do that is the sloar wind. I think the Pentagon would have itself a cyber-Vietnam on its hands if it ever tried to 'attack the Internet'.

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  11. If it's illegal for Americans... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to fund terrorist organizations, does that mean no income taxes on April 15?

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    1. Re:If it's illegal for Americans... by dark_requiem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, for some mod points:). The type of proposed behavior (distributing lies, shutting down civilian communications channels to inspire FUD, etc.) is precisely the type of behavior ascribed to terrorists (plus, of course, blowing things up, and we all know how good the state is at that task).

    2. Re:If it's illegal for Americans... by bpd1069 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't since 2001, and that is my legal defense.

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  12. PsyOps + Internet Advertising by Hunter-Killer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Instead of seeing "Punch the monkey and win an Ipod", we might get "Kill Osama and win $25 million".

  13. America's war on * by Archon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the Pentagon says it will wage war against the internet ...

    Is there anything that America doesn't "wage war" against? It's like a mentally retarded child who responds in the same way, regardless of stimulus.

    1. Re:America's war on * by jbeaupre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a problem of history and symantics. Americans, and probably others, associate the word "war" with a concerted effort to destroy something they don't and shouldn't like (i.e. Nazis). So "war on poverty","war on drugs", etc makes quick sense to people. Unfortunately it's not quite the right word, conveys the wrong connotations, and is cliche. But no one has come up with anything better. Not that there's a shortage of candidates.

      But if you think of one, you'll make big bucks as a speech writer.

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    2. Re:America's war on * by Eudial · · Score: 3, Funny
      Is there anything that America doesn't "wage war" against? It's like a mentally retarded child who responds in the same way, regardless of stimulus.


      Furthermore it raises some interesting questions: If, for an example the US government, or an agent thereof seizes narcotics as part of the war on drugs, woudln't the Geneva convention dictate that the seized drugs should be treated as a prisoner of war?

      War comes with responsibilities you know...
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    3. Re:America's war on * by p2sam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That sounds so much like Jihad.

    4. Re:America's war on * by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You seem to forget that the goverment in the US is the people. Contrary to anti-american or anti-republican belief, our officials are elected and while they may not represent every single person down to the exact issue - they try their best. Our goverment does not spend the USA's money, it spends the people's money....money paid into via taxes. If you don't like how it's being spent, you have opportunities to vote for President every 4 years with congressional votes in between.
      The government of the US seems to me to be the wealthy people, which is hardly representative of the average American. Add to that lobbying, corruption, and the potential for abuse in the electoral system, and I have a hard time believing that these people are really elected by the people and try their best to represent. I'm sure there are some that really do try, but very few seem to. To me, this has nothing to do with being anti-american or anti-bush|republican, it is an issue with the system that we have (but that's a discussion for another day).

      2004 [budget] (figures are in millions):

      Econ. Growth, Agriculture & Trade: $4,421
      Global Health: $2,534
      Democracy, Conflict, & Humanitarian: $1,198
      based on this document US Foreign Aid

      From the president's 2004 budget:
      • Department of Defense (DoD): $380 billion (+$15 billion or four percent). President Bush's DoD budget is $84 billion higher than the budget he inherited -- the largest increase since the Reagan Administration.
      • Missile defense: $9.1 billion in 2004.

      So, it looke like the US government spent (of the taxpayer's money):
      $8.153 billion on helping people, and
      $404.1 billion on defense (or war, and preparation for war).

      The original argument still stands: the US government spends a lot more (about 50X) on war than helping people.

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  14. Boooooo! by ehiris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who decides who an enemy is? Warfare should be used to fend off attacks, and minimize risk and not to ATTACK the information of someone because they have a different point of view.

    Throughout history capturing and using enemy information has been a lot more useful in combat than attacking the information of the enemy.

  15. In other recent news... by zuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the light of the fact that the Dept of Homeland Security just got an 'F' on its recent general security practices and server audits, I wonder what if this is really supposed to intimidate anyone....

    Should they not get their house in order firstbefore thinking about greater things?

    Mmmm... I think I am starting to see a pattern here.

    Z.

  16. Whining in 5...4...3...2... by Phanatic1a · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While it hasn't yet been modded up enough for me to see it, I'm sure there's already a bunch of whining about how us eeevul hegemonistic Americans are all set to sally forth trampling across the internet in our zeal to wage war.

    Sorry, this is just being smart. Keep in mind how prevalent botnets are, how they basically rule all of Asia, Eastern Europe, most of South America, and even substantial chunks of America and Western Europe. Keep in mind how much spam those networks churn out on a daily basis, how much money they earn the people who own them. Then realize that spam is about the *least* harmful thing they could be used for.

  17. What a fantastic idea! by dark_requiem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    Secondly, psychological military operations, known as psyops, will be at the heart of future military action. Psyops involve using any media - from newspapers, books and posters to the internet, music, Blackberrys and personal digital assistants (PDAs) - to put out black propaganda to assist government and military strategy. Psyops involve the dissemination of lies and fake stories and releasing information to wrong-foot the enemy.

    Wow, now that's a good idea. I sure don't see anything immoral here, and certainly no potential for abuse. After all, the only way to have a stable democratic state which protects its citizens' freedoms is if that state controls the media and uses it to knowingly distribute lies and propoganda. The founding fathers knew this, which was why when they wrote the first amendment, they... Oh wait, that's right. The media is supposed to be independent from the state. A state that uses the media to distribute lies is a mortal danger to freedom, and needs to be deposed, quickly.

    Thirdly, the US wants to take control of the Earth's electromagnetic spectrum, allowing US war planners to dominate mobile phones, PDAs, the web, radio, TV and other forms of modern communication. That could see entire countries denied access to telecommunications at the flick of a switch by America.

    Do I really even need to comment on this one? Combined with their planned propoganda campaign, they're looking to completely exclude targeted populations from recieving accurate and timely information. Again, if the true objective here was to combat terrorists by spreading democracy, this would obviously be massively counterproductive. But of course we all know that this is not about spreading democracy, or combating terrorism, any more than Iraq or Afghanistan were about freedom and democracy. It is about control.

    1. Re:What a fantastic idea! by wuffalicious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Neat! So our new strategy is making stuff up and putting it on the internet? Let me try.

      "We're thinking that we'll take things to a whole new level." Commented a representative from the department of defense. "You know, when our enemies try to download new ring tones, all they'll hear is the theme song to 'Team America, World Police' whenever they get a call."

  18. It's Happening Now People by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the Article:

    "IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will."

    Imagine? We don't have to imagine, we are already living it!

    The irony is, it's not the military that's waging a ware of dis-information, it's our own government waging a war of dis-information on us! Examples: Terror Alerts, WMDs, Climate Change, Evolution...Contradictory statements are being released by government officials. The government rebrands military operations: The War on Terror, The Global War on Terror, The Long War, or The Global War on Extremism...

    This is indeed an interesting time in which we live.

  19. My first question by underpope · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first question that came to my mind when I saw this was, "Which of Bush's big business buddies will this benefit the most?" Of course, that's the first question that comes to my mind whenever I hear of anything the Administration comes up with these days.

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  20. /. it! by cl191 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just post the URL of such website and before you know it, it will be slashdotted back to the stoneage.

  21. Cyber Terror? Is it Really That Terrifying? by Firewalker_Midnights · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to trivialize anything that the government would say (oh precious politicians, you do entrance me so) but isn't the whole "Cyber Terror" idea a bit absurd. You have websites that issue propaganda, and the like, sure, but it's not as if you're forced to look at them, you can just close the window and/or block the site. The fact that they exist isn't threatening in anyway, as you can simply choose to ignore it.

    And really large defacements/ DDoS attacks haven't occured much, if at all in recent history. I understand the fear of DDoS attacks on government electronic infrastructure, but the important stuff shouldn't be accessible from outside sources at any rate.

    On top of that, why would one require a whole militarization of what overly zealous and patriotic hackers have been doing for quite some time now? Bankroll their cause if you're so interested in combating an enemy digitally.

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  22. this makes about as much sense as... by number6x · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • Waging a land war in the jungles of SouthEast Asia.
    • Trying to bring peace and democracy to a Middle East dictatorship through bombing and occupation.
  23. I see your DDOS and raise you a JDAM by TallDave · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't make me Tomahawk your spam.

  24. War on this, war on that... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    War on poverty, war on drugs, war on terror... now war on the Internet...

    And here I always thought a "war" was "a state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties."

    Well, the Internet is sort of like a party, I guess.

    I also always thought that it was Congress that had the power to declare war, and that it wasn't war until Congress said it was war.

    But, OK, Bush had is way on the war thing, but just let him try issuing a letter of marque and reprisal and a betcha Congress will hit him upside the head with a check and a balance.

  25. Wake-up call for the world by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This looks like the great US of A wants to control information flow in the rest of the world. Here is what the world should do:

    Decentralize the comm infrastructure. As widely as technically possible. Redesign it to fail gracefully. Deploy mesh networking as backup system. For cellular telephony, form a mesh network of both the base stations and the handsets themselves, so even if all the bases are destroyed the handsets still can maintain the network themselves, at least for text messaging. Same for wifi routers and other kinds of comm nodes. As a non-military benefit, this could serve as a fallback for cases of "normal" infrastructure overload.

    Develop and deploy ultrawideband technology for consumer devices, making it difficult to impossible to jam the band using the military EWAR toys. This should also make the communication more robust against non-military noise sources.

    Develop and deploy phase-array antennas for consumer devices, to automatically adjust the antenna patterns according to the position of the comm devices, both saving batteries and rejecting jamming signals from unwanted directions.

    Design the civilian infrastructure to be hardened against both intentional attacks and natural disasters taking out swaths of infrastructure. Make it a matter of national security.

    All the technologies required are already existing. Now they just have to be brought out of the labs and released on the street.

    Last but not least, prepare lower-tech fallback to establish networks disseminating the people's version of truth to counter the occupant's version, as you can not rely on the infrastructure providers. Prepare a diverse range of tactics, from people physically meeting together and swapping printouts and tapes to low-power FM and TV stations made of repurposed consumer equipment (eg. an antenna connected to the modulated output of a VCR - covers only a block or so but better than nothing. Covers significantly more with an output amplifier.) So take out your old book about antennas and read it today. You do not know when your expertise will be needed.

    Be ready. Be prepared. Be Pentagon-proof.

  26. Sure, but cyber-warfare VERY likely by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article may have briefly talked about terrorism, but I suspect the real danger comes from state-sponsored cyber-attacks, like from China. Terrorism is just a convenient explanation to use to the public. You can't come out and say you're preparing for an attack by China now, can you?

    BTW, for those who think that cyber-warfare is a science-fiction concept, I draw your attention to the following analysis of Operation Allied Force. In particular, the section regarding cyber-attacks on surface-to-air (SAM) missile systems to protect our fighters (F-22, F-35):

    Beyond the stealthiness portended by the F-22 and F-35, another promising avenue for dealing with emergent SAM threats may lie in the realm of nonkinetic alternatives. To offer but a glimpse into the more intriguing possibilities in this respect, General Jumper remarked after Allied Force that although information operations remained a highly classified subject about which little could be said, the Kosovo experience suggested that "instead of sitting and talking about great big pods that bash electrons, we should be talking about microchips that manipulate electrons and get into the heart and soul of systems like the SA-10 or the SA-12 and tell it that it is a refrigerator and not a radar." Some of the more cutting-edge variants of first-generation offensive cyber warfare, reportedly tested successfully in Allied Force, suggested the feasibility of taking down enemy SAM and other defense systems in ways that would not require putting a strike package or a HARM on critical nodes to neutralize them. Toward that end, Gen Hal Hornburg, current commander of Air Combat Command, recently reiterated the importance of looking beyond familiar solutions to this looming threat in certain portions of President George W. Bush's "axis of evil," where the United States might find itself engaged militarily: "We don't just need jammers and we don't just need Block 50s. . . . We need an array of capabilities. . . . I am looking for kinetic and non-kinetic solutions. I am looking, for example, for space to be able to get down to an SA-10 and convince it to launch all missiles right now or to deny it from launching their missiles right now."

    Information warfare WILL happen, my friends. In fact, it's happening now. No, you won't find that written up in the newspaper. Do a little bit of googling and see what you come up with. :)

    GMD

  27. I'm sick of war and warfare by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US should always have a strong military but I don't think we should project it the way we do. I think we should mind our own business and I'm sure I won't have trouble finding people to agree with that simple view.

    Recently I downloaded "Why We Fight" a BBC documentary detailing the buildup and creation of the US's Industrial Military Complex. It goes a long way to explain how it happened, why it was useful and why things are the way they are today. It spells out in great detail, for example, how the US put Saddam Hussein into power and GAVE him his weapons of mass destruction. (The US was fine with them using them as long as the humanity they used them against were considered enemies of the administration in power at that moment.)

    Watching this really helped me to change my perspective on what "war" is and how it's being abused by the current "system" in power in the US. In short, it's all about power and making money. It has nothing to do with world peace or spreading democracy. I believe now more than ever before that we can spread peace and democracy through peaceful and genrous means.

    Whether you agree with the information presented or not, I urge anyone to see this. Refute it or believe it. But I think it's quite enlightening.

    1. Re:I'm sick of war and warfare by dark_requiem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US should always have a strong military

      As Einstein so famously (and accurately) stated, one cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. Any state with a substantial standing army will have a propensity to USE that standing army. There's money to be made, lots of money. Plus, as history has shown time and time again, people are more willing to surrender their rights to the state in times of war. A large, powerful standing army is a first step to tyrrany. Besides, a massive standing army is not necessary for defensive purposes (such as fending off an invasion), their only purpose is offensive. As long as the US government has access to the strong military you say it should have, it will continue to be used by politicos for political and personal gain.

    2. Re:I'm sick of war and warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i'm also sick of war and warfare.

      Some of the "facts" remain in contention. Iraq for example was a Soviet ally through the 1980's and its arsenal is largely Soviet weaponry. European countries such as France sold a lot of commercial projects that had technical side-benefits for military development.

      Iran and Iraq faced off in a seven or eight-year long war. Iraq used WMD, nerve agents etc against the Iranian forces who had a numerical advantage. Iraq also used WMD against the Kurdish population in the north. The US lost its greatest opportunity to dampen this conflict when it failed to ground the Iraqi air force in time to prevent these weapons from being used. The no-fly zone was a belated attempt to rectify this.

      You can call it a sad series of errors and cynical misplays on all sides. Any war examined neutrally will be such a series. But this cannot be laid solely at the feet of the US. Iraq had a Soviet-cultivated despot at its head, who needed no encouragement to perform horrors in his country and among neighbors. Whatever cynical use he was put to by the US (containment of Iran is alleged) he was backed powerfully by France, Germany and other commercial partners who were happy to take the money and look the other way.

      At that time I worked in aviation, we had international airlines as customers for our life saving equipment... trade with Iraq in those days was very very difficult... I would venture to say with a good deal of confidence that not much money changed hands in the commercial sector between the US and Iraq, very little compared to the money and technical support flowing in from Europe. The tendency to blame the US is tends also to oversimplify and this does a permanent injustice to whatever the truth might be.

  28. Nothing New Under the Sun by Detritus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    During the Spanish-American War (1898), the American Navy cut the oceanic telegraph cables that connected Cuba to the rest of the Spanish Empire. See Cable-Cutting At Cienfuegos. During the first and second world wars, underseas cables were high-priority targets and were often cut.

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    Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
  29. Internet warefare by Randall311 · · Score: 3, Funny

    SS Web Agent: Mr. President The Chinese are throttling our server, we need a decision now!
    President: Let's PHP-Nuke the bastards!

  30. Re:Am I the only one... by dark_requiem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As an American citizen, let me be the first to tell you that you are not alone in finding this abhorent, for many reasons. First, there's the fact that it is hypocritical to claim to be founding a stable democratic state (the current popular excuse for hegemonic wars of aggression) which respects the natural rights and liberties of its citizens (something that no state can do in the long run, democratic or otherwise), while subverting one of the most important institutions in a free society, the press and communications channels. Second, as an American citizen, I have no doubt that this policy would be abused (as if its very existence were not abusive of state power) domestically as well as internationally. Never evaluate a government proposal on the basis of the good it will impart if properly administered, but rather by the harm it will inflict when abused.

    It is important to disassociate political states and their actions from the individuals the state opresses and dominates. There are many Americans who do not support or condone the actions of the state, and many others (myself included) who do not recognize even the legitimacy of the state's very existence.

  31. Information Warfare is not new. by glas_gow · · Score: 2, Informative
    The problem with this article is that it presents IW as a new phenomenon, like its going to happen for the first time, tommorrow. This kind of stuff has been buzzing around the think tanks for years.

    Take this RAND publication from 1996, for example:

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR661/

    Citizens of western countries like ours should be very familiar with Information Warfare, our states have been practicing it upon us for years.

  32. They didn't get me! by blorg · · Score: 4, Funny

    After I erased my hard drive, my address book was gone! Hah!

  33. Re:April fools joke right? by lbrandy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because you've been trolled by yellow journalism. The US isn't attacking the internet. He is using prepostional magic to feed anti-US sentiment. The US is preparing for a war via the internet... That's a big difference then "ON", which implies the internet itself is the target.

  34. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by copdk4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    the Web attacks YOU ! (via spam, viruses, Internet Explorer, Vista and.. Oh wait)

  35. Re:gov't control of ionosphere - H.A.A.R.P. by stupidfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I too listen to Coast to Coast.

    HAARP is controlled by the Reptilians, right? And to get to their secret lair you just go down Mel's Hole.

  36. Re:Simple answer by Monoliath · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a federal backdoor in their TOS, if the government wants access to their records, they have it by default.

    A great idea, but faulted from a fundamental perspective :(

  37. Via & On by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 2, Informative
    warfare will be conducted via the internet.


    I'm sure they intend to fight via the internet, but that appears to be just the beginning. Page six clearly says "We Must Fight the Net. DoD is building an information-centric force. Networks are increasingly the operational center of gravity, and the Department must be prepared to 'Fight the Net.'"

  38. false dichotomoy by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Either way...I thought at first, it was pretty interesting...till it broke down into a rant about the US wanting world domination...kinda went wacky after that.

    Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century? Believe me, this project is for real. Yes, they really do aim to dominate the world.

    Strange...the Bush crew is often portrayed as bumblers who can't do anything right, then they are accused of being devious co-conspirators to rule the world. Which is it guys?

    It's both. They are both hegemonic and incompetent. Why is that so hard to imagine?

  39. Re: The Perceived American war on * by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are the only remaining superpower. We have a huge responsibility to set an example for the rest of the world and to help mature all of our societies. We have to try and steer the whole damn world into globalism at a pace that isn't threatening and is respectful to all of our cultures.

    Why? Where's your authority to act as the world's authoritarian father-figure? Because you have the largest, most well-equipped army? This is the sort of attitude that gets planes flown into tall American buildings - "We know best; when we bomb you, it's for your own good".

    It's not America's responsibility to "steer the whole damn world"; it's America's responsibility to steer America. That's what makes sovereign nations sovereign - they steer themselves. The reason many people react against the war in Iraq is because it shows how much America respects the sovereignty of other nations; it doesn't. It wages a war that much of it's populace is against, that was not sanctioned by most other nations, and that, after the fact, has little evidence supporting the original justification for it.

    People are are against America because they're afraid of America. You are the last superpower. And you go to war on little more than a whim.

    Ultimately, it's up to them.

    So if they decide, democratically, to institute a fundamentalist religious government, you're not going to blow the crap out of them again? If it was ultimately "up to them", then you should have left their country alone, and let them sort it out themselves. You're not some school teacher intervening in a fight between school-kids. You are one adult telling all the others how they should behave at the point of a gun.

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    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
  40. US? Wage war against the internet? Ha! by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Napoleon has a better chance of taking Russia during wintertime than the US does going to 'war' with the entire world wide web and winning. How do you even begin a war on the internet?

    "My fellow Americans, during these times of tuhr attacks, the threats of the in - innernets have grown too large. We must stand together and keep these innernets from torturing their citizens and invading our beloved country. I've amassed an army of 80,000 marines to invade the innernets and stop the evil man Osama Bin Laden from striking against the American people with tuhr and hate."

    "Uh, sir, you can't attack the internet. It's a network of millions of computers."

    "My fellow Americans, I've just changed my mind. I'm going to EMP the entire globe. The scientists have dubbed this project 'Project Escape-From-L.A.' God Bless you and God Bless the United States of America."

  41. Re: The Perceived American war on * by Nintendork · · Score: 2
    I appreciate the fact that someone outside the US chimed in (From Australia, right?). I definitely respect your opinion and understand where you're coming from. However, that being said, I do resent the remark that we go to war on little more than a whim. That's exactly what I meant about oversimplifying and being cynical.

    I do see your point that we shouldn't be a father to the rest of the world. In fact, I agree. However, a father figure so to speak is needed these days. No matter what boundaries we draw, the world is getting smaller each and every day. The way we separated countries for thousands of years isn't working and fails at bigger levels as the world gets smaller. Simply drawing borders isn't going to prevent the issues of sovereign nations from bleeding over to the rest of the world. I would honestly prefer the UN to be restructured and become more effective. We need it to take the father figure role and hopefully, some day it will. Until then, would we really prefer to have nobody "steering the ship"? Should we all just shut our eyes and tell ourselves that we can all live on our own little islands and ignore what is going on in the rest of the world? Isn't that how World Wars get so large in scope?

    I see the worst case scenario that has a likelihood of occurring for Iraq being that it gets divided into two countries and they constantly wage war against each other. There would be the occasional radical going off and bombing a European or American target in an act of retribution for what "Westerners have done". As I said before, what Bush did was desperate. There was a lot of risk in what he did and we would be ignorant to think that he didn't know the risks. I'd guess he had mathematicians, foreign affairs experts and several other advisers trying to predict outcomes of various actions both short term and long term. Before the war, I saw the biggest risk being the consequences that would come. We all knew that many people in the world would see the situation as America the Bully pushing around other countries. What would all the consequences of that mentality be, I thought. That's the risk Bush knowingly took when he invaded Iraq and ousted Saddam, thereby attempting to speed up their civilization's growth. I'm sure it's even more complicated than I see it.

    Regardless of what I think, I can understand and even sympathize with the opposing opinions. I'm either seeing the truth and it's pretty damn scary or I'm totally wrong. I actually hope I'm wrong and globalization isn't a big issue. I hope that there isn't so much growth the world will have to endure regarding the way countries interact. It would be so much easier and all the growing pains wouldn't be necessary.

  42. A "huge bomb of democracy"? by mjbkinx · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why is it that I rarely read comments like the parent post from outside the US and people convinced we're in a holy war?

    The former: resignation, the latter takes a bit longer to explain:
    The US is, compared to any other western society, extremely religious (that Bush actually used the word "crusade" to refer to the Iraq War didn't exactly help, either). Granted, there are quite religious countries in Europe, too (Poland, Ireland and Italy), but not to the same extend, and they seem to be more successful separating it from politics.
    You can compare survey data of various aspects of life between countries, and you will find that religion is not as important in Europe as it is in the US. For example, if you look at the results of the question "How important is god in your life?" for the US, Iran, and secular European countries like France or Germany ("Old Europe") the US' relative similarity to Iran, compared to Europe, is striking (sorry, no direct link to the graphs is possible, but trust me it's worth the effort).
    I also found a poll that said 45% of Americans believe in the biblical creation, 38% in ID creationism, and only 13% that no god had part in it. In a German poll with the same questions the results were 12%/25%/61% (link in German).
    The relatively common references to god even by mainstream US politicians, along with the Good/Evil classification, let many things appear religiously motivated, even if not intended. I assume those Americans that don't share the mainstream's religiousity perceive that rhetoric as as frightening as I do.

    When there's a culture that believes westerners are the devil, peaceful integration is very difficult to accomplish.

    Well, bombing them probably doesn't help making them see us in a more positive light, either.
    Peaceful integration is the only way. You can't force somebody to share your believes.

    [Bush] had a very difficult decision to make. He could either let things continue to happen organically and knowingly face more 9/11 incidents or he could make a desperate attempt to speed up the integration.

    The key to preventing "more 9/11 incidents" lies in understanding the terrorists' motivation. The US' military presence in the Middle East, along with the support for oppressive regimes as in Saudi Arabia and what is seen as agressive Israeli politics/military actions, is a major factor.

    I'd like to expand on Iraq in particular because it seems to bring out the most cynical of viewpoints. There are so many people blaming us for the current state of Iraq. I can understand blaming us for Iraq no longer being under Saddam's control and therefore introducing freedoms that the people never had. Nobody seems to want to put any responsibility on the Iraqis themselves.

    The US chose to attack Iraq, and as the occupying power carries the responsibility to provide security for the parts of the population not taking part in the fighting. The US created a power vacuum and different factions try to fill it -- that was predicted by many people who opposed the war from the very beginning. You can put some of the blame on Jaafari & Co., on the terrorists, or on the insurgency if you believe resistance was unexpected, but not on the Iraqi people as a whole.

    They have many more freedoms that they never had before.

    That depends. Actually many women, especially in the Shiite south, probably would point out several freedoms they have lost. Saddam was bad, but he was secular (which, incidently, is why the islamists hated him).
    Also, elections are not the same a

  43. Re: The Perceived American war on * by LordLucless · · Score: 2
    However, that being said, I do resent the remark that we go to war on little more than a whim.

    It is simple, and cynical, but I don't know if it's too far off-base. I think the war in Iraq was motivated more by politics than by national security. That may or may not be true, but I don't think I'm alone in holding that opinion.

    I do see your point that we shouldn't be a father to the rest of the world. In fact, I agree. However, a father figure so to speak is needed these days. No matter what boundaries we draw, the world is getting smaller each and every day. The way we separated countries for thousands of years isn't working and fails at bigger levels as the world gets smaller. Simply drawing borders isn't going to prevent the issues of sovereign nations from bleeding over to the rest of the world. I would honestly prefer the UN to be restructured and become more effective. We need it to take the father figure role and hopefully, some day it will. Until then, would we really prefer to have nobody "steering the ship"? Should we all just shut our eyes and tell ourselves that we can all live on our own little islands and ignore what is going on in the rest of the world? Isn't that how World Wars get so large in scope?

    The world is getting smaller, and globalisation is inevitable. I prefer the direction EU is going compared to the USA, however. You're not going to unite the world by tying them together through threat of force. That will last just as long as the force remains viable. Then it will fall apart. The EU's governing body is large, cumbersome and overly bureaucratic. But each of it's member states are there because they feel they need to be there, and they each have at least some say in how the EU is governed.

    Most of the world's powers in recent times have been distinct entities uniting: USSR, USA, EU, and most recently, the UAE. Three types of unity are represented there:
    1. Force. The USSR were united by force, and fell apart when the force vanished.
    2. Threat. The states of America united against a foreign threat.
    3. Growth. The EU was established because the only way they could see of remaining relevant in the modern world was to unite.
    I'm not sure whether the UAE falls into 2 or 3 - perceived threat from the West, or unity as they realise the power they are beginning to wield on the world stage. But my point is, unless some horrible aliens attack and we have an external threat to unite us, the only way the world is going to be united is discovering that standing on one's own leads to irrelevance as others unite. Being coerced into unity by a glowering father-figure, with his hand on the strap only lasts while the child is still cowed by the strap.
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    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face