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Star Wars Kid Cuts a Deal With His Tormentors

An anonymous reader writes "Ghyslain Raza, who gained instant online fame as the 'Star Wars Kid' settled this week with the families of the three classmates who posted his two minute Lucasfilm screen test on the Internet. No details were released but the suit sought damages of $351,000. A victory for the victims of cyber-bullying, or missed chance by thin-skinned Ghyslain to cash-in as the next William 'She Bangs' Hung?"

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  1. Hindsight is 20/20 by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It may not be always obvious what the right thing is to do when you're in a situation like Ghyslain's. How was he to know that the reaction to how he and his parents handled his situation would be overall frowned upon. He had a chance to make something that was embarrasing work out really well for him. But nobody likes a whiner. I only hope that other kids can learn from his situation and make the most of their own problems.

    1. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > It may not be always obvious what the right thing is to do when you're in a situation like Ghyslain's.

      Well, we can thank him for this much. Next time any of us is in a situation where we're dancing around playing "air lightsaber" (or even just air guitar), at least we can safely scratch "videotape it" off the list of "right things to do".

      Schadenfreude: The joy of learning from other people's mistakes.

    2. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would hope for the other way round, but unfortunately it won't happen.
      The kids who posted this without thinking how it would affect his life are the ones who should be learning from this.
      Fame is a fickle thing, some people try their whole lives to get it, others try to stay away from it. Being forced into a difficult situation IS bullying, and I hope this kid can grow out of his stereotype.

      Everybody does stupid things, but to be reminded about them every single day must be hell.

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    3. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I only hope that other kids can learn from his situation and make the most of their own problems.

      That lesson is: Temporary embarassment can lead to huge cash rewards!

    4. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by TigerPlish · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I take it you're the type that likes to inflict pain, wether emotional or physical, on others.


      Frankly, no. But when you're constantly being hurt, it gets to the point where all that hurt condenses into one very dense lump, threatening to to supercritical at any time.

      I never intentionally hurt anyone physicially, and while I have hurt people emotionally, that type of hurting is unavoidable in friendships and relationships. I didn't have fun in those instances. It hurt me as well as them.

      But to go out of your way to torment others, for FUN, mind you... just for FUN.. to get your rocks off.. that's when my fantasies would come out.

      If you can't see the distinction, then you've never been on the wrong end of the stick.

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    5. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by bitt3n · · Score: 5, Funny

      or more apropos schadenfreude: mistake leads to videotaping, videotaping leads to joy, joy leads to... suffering.

    6. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by caffeination · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Sounds like the wounds are still there, mate. You might want to look into getting them looked at, if you know what I mean, because you just lashed out at a slashdotter witht the word "jock". It's clearly still affecting the way you interpret what people say and do (as retarded as the grandparent post may be).

      /*EndPopPsychology*/

    7. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would think the negative media attention and the factor of strangers approaching Ghyslain on the street and making fun of him everywhere he goes takes this to another level.

      I, too, was bullied in middle school and high school. And yes, it sucks. However, I could leave school and go someplace else where there were other kids and "start over" and probably not be bullied. For example, the other kids in my Boy Scout troop did not bully or make fun of me. When I was in high school, I often went to church activities. There were other kids there and I made friends and there were girls there that liked me, etc. When I was back in school, all the kids hated me and no girls were interested in me because of the ridicule I got from the other kids. So, I learned that the problem wasn't with me, it was with the bullies. And then I went to college and I was very popular.

      Ghyslain can't do that. Every place he goes, people are going to know that he is the "Star Wars kid" and make fun of him. He will never have a chance to start over with a new peer group with a clean slate. And that's what makes it worse - and that's why I really feel sorry for him.

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  2. Go with The Force Luke by windowpain · · Score: 4, Funny

    But first get a settlement.

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  3. Wow by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Funny

    That was so long ago. That kid must be like 30 by now.

    1. Re:Wow by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

      That was so long ago. That kid must be like 30 by now.

      and probably still whining that he wasn't offered a spot on the Jedi Council as part of the settlement.

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  4. Overreaction by yog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A victory for the victims of cyber-bullying, or missed chance by thin-skinned Ghyslain to cash-in as the next William 'She Bangs' Hung?
    I vote for missed opportunity by Raza. I don't expect a high school student to have a well developed ability to laugh at himself, but surely his 15 minutes of fame could have been put to better use than merely to sue a few classmates. Still, what they did wasn't very nice.

    Furthermore, I doubt that it will prevent so-called cyberbullying; it will just remind the more intelligent bullies to wreak their mischief anonymously.

    When I think of all the bullies I had to deal with growing up, back in the pre-Web days, and the revenge I could have gotten by spoofing them on a website, well, I guess I'm glad I didn't have that opportunity to do something so easy that would haunt me the rest of my life. It would have been fun, though.
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    1. Re:Overreaction by dfjunior · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wouldn't be so sure...
      That's 300K+ Canadian

  5. William 'She Bangs' Hung had a choice by swestcott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is the main difrence the kid had this put on him not buy his own choice

    I still think got lemons bla bla you know

  6. William Hung Signed A Release... by irritating+environme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did this kid?

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  7. Things would have been different if... by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 5, Funny

    He had been known for his Slash-dotting...they'd cheer "Slashdot Kid Slashdot Kid Slashdot Kid" and every hot chick in school would be all over him like the geek that he is!

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  8. It doesn't sound so funny.. by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you hear what his life was like after the fact. I doubt some of the more mal-adjusted /.ers would have a different reaction to being harassed 24/7 for something you didn't really want anyone to see. Let's not forget he's a kid; a nerdy, overweight kid (Much like many of us were). It's hard to live with that kind of notoriety so soon in life.

    For the record:
    He had to drop out of school due to harassment.
    He still gets approached by people on the streets about it.
    His parents had to hire a private tutor for him.
    He ended up on anti-depression medication.

    It's not funny, don't laugh.

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    1. Re:It doesn't sound so funny.. by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just for the record, does it stop being kinda funny when he kills himself or does it become REALLY funny then?

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    2. Re:It doesn't sound so funny.. by Zspdude · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Who modded the parent funny?

      This reminds me of previous story about the difficulties of employers reading personal blogs and making employment decisions based on what they find on the Net.

      We're looking at a medium where what is put up will last for many many years (verging on forever, possibly) and while you can control what you post yourself, you can't control what others share. (You can go retroactively to the courts and get mocked mercilessly for it though.) People (even many here on slashdot) don't realize what a powerful medium it is.

      I don't think that many people realize the tremendous potential for abuse that the internet holds. Sure the kid got 15 minutes of fame out of the deal, and he arguably didn't make the best use out of it, but this will dog him his entire life. He's one extreme example of how someone can leverage the internet to abuse someone else and cause irrepairable damage.


      My guess is that whoever modded the parent funny didn't *really* understand how serious the problem is.
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    3. Re:It doesn't sound so funny.. by Cornflake917 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Depends if he videotapes it or not.

    4. Re:It doesn't sound so funny.. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What bugs me is the lack of scope here. Okay so they sue the parents of some kids who released a video. Obviously these families are fucked for life because of this incredible debt. Who has 100k to laying around? Guess little Johnny isn't going to college now because of a childhood prank. That seems highly unfair.

      Now in the real world, people at sites like fark, ebaumsworld, etc sold a whole lot of banner ads with this video. Why aren't they being sued? Or the graphics professionals who took a boring video of a fat kid from some website and added in effects and sounds, hosted it, and promoted it? Its one thing for me to release a video and its another for the video to get picked up by commercial interests and artists and turned into this week's crazy meme without permission. Ebaumsworld still hosts it now. Why are they free from litigation?

      The real problems with these lawsuits is that they just get the easy money while fark and ebaumsworld and the rest continue this kind of nonsense. They dont ask permission, they don't ask the source, they just link and host and put all the banner ad money in their pockets. They're laughing all the way to the bank while some canadian families are now expected to get the 300k other people have made off this kid.

      So "cyberbullies" get some sort of lesson, which probably won't resonate to the rest of the culture of bullying and website profiteers get off scott free. That's justice?

    5. Re:It doesn't sound so funny.. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would that work for rape too?

      Okay I've read this story for a few moments, and this is the FOURTH TIME THIS HAS BEEN COMPARED TO RAPE. Are you kidding? Do you really think some idiot video taping himself doing something embarrassing, on and using school property, and then leaving the video in a public place, is remotely comparable to rape or child abuse? Jesus. Get some bloody perspective.

      As far as this kid being alienated "because" of the video -- I have a pretty good feeling that he already was alienated. (And that he already had some odd interpersonal traits. When most well-adjusted people would have laughed at themselves and tried to capitalize on the situation, this guy acted like he'd had a labotomy or something). The video just gave him a lightning rod to focus all of his anger.

  9. How thick a skin do you have? by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I consider myself to have a pretty thick skin, but if I ever managed to become the laughing stock of the entire internet I think it might get to me a little bit.

    The guys who stole (er, "misappropriated" this video and stuck it on the net for the sole purpose of humiliating this poor kid deserve to be punished, IMO, and here in the civilized world the way that people are punished for stuff like this is money; it's not a perfect system, but it's the best we've come up with so far.

    They're just lucky they're not in the US -- the MPAA would have come down on them like the wrath of God for messing with this kid's copyright on his original work.

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  10. Walk a mile in his shoes... by CFTM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having been a rather akward teenager myself, I can understand why he decided to file suit against them. I don't know anything about this kid or how he feels about himself or even what he went through on an every day basis before this occured but I remember being in high school and feeling invisible to the rest of the world. Suddenly, one day to have myself posted all over the internet and being the subject of laughter, at the age of 15, would have been psychologically devestating to me. It is easy, for those of us who are adults, to be critical of his choices but we weren't the ones treated this way. We never walked in his shoes and never suffered the embarassment that he suffered.

    On the outside, since we have no emotional attachment to the situation, it's easy for us to say "I'd ride that money train all the way to the bank" but that fails to give the situation its true weight. Being 15 is tough enough for most kids without having themeselves publically humilitated by their peers just for a few laughs. I'm not a huge fan of law suits in general, but in this instance I am. The action of these kids was not criminal but it was a terrible thing to do and there needs to be consequences.

    1. Re:Walk a mile in his shoes... by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... that way, when you realize how much his life sucks, you'll be a mile away from him, and you'll have his shoes.

    2. Re:Walk a mile in his shoes... by kansas1051 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If it was not criminal, why is the law involved? That's my basic problem with this whole thing."

      A basic tenant of all legal systems (western and eastern) is the separate existence of "civil" wrongs (torts, contracts, etc) and "criminal" wrongs (murder, robbery, etc). For nearly 1,000 years western civilization (English common law at least) has recognized the right of an individual to bring suit against another individual even if no criminal law was violated. Most people are exposed to this concept in high school, I'm surprised it wasnt on the CHSPE.

      The star wars kid sued under tort for intentional infliction of emotional distress (among other claims). This cause of action has been recognized in some form for hundreds of years and suing people for tortious actions is nothing new.

  11. His parents named him Ghyslain by spidergoat2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He never really had a chance. Note to parents: Start with Bill or George or Steve when naming a son.

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  13. Re:Completely wrong by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you feel alienated from school and everyone laughs at you, you DON'T CHOOSE to drop out. You HAVE TO.

    It seems to me that you really don't understand what free will is. Psychological pressure is a determinating factor, EVEN in murder trials. Can you say "temporal insanity"?

    Of course, you haven't been ridiculized in public or bullied so what the heck do you know.

  14. Re:Star Wars Kid Sucks by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You can't blame someone else because of your personal problems. ... because he chose to be a timid dweeb he got what he deserved.

    What the hell? Why are so many of the comments saying things like this? He somehow deserves what happened to him because he wasn't smart enough, wasn't confident enough, didn't take advantage, whatever. Has everyone on this website forgotten what it's like to be a socially inept, outcast 15-year-old? Sure, by and large we've grown out of it, but a lot of us would not have appreciated having something we consider completely humiliating broadcast to the entire world.

    You "can't blame someone else because of your personal problems," but what if the problems in question (humiliation in front of a worldwide audience, constant attention from the media and from strangers, drastically increased bullying in school when he was already not the most popular kid around) are in fact a direct result of someone else's actions? Can't you blame them for those actions, especially when they were done maliciously?

    Everyone seems to be talking about fame as though it's this wonderful gift. Here's a clue: Not everyone wants it. And not everyone should be forced to want it, just because it's your opinion that he should have seized the opportunity and made a few bucks. Maybe he prefers the lack of fame over any potential profit he could have gotten from it. I know I would hate to be famous. That's not a sour grapes thing, I do have an ego and I would like to be well-respected within my own field, but real fame? Have you seen what the world does to celebrities? It's disgusting, and I'm glad that there's no realistic way that would happen to me.

    Should the kid have filed a lawsuit? Maybe not. Personally I would lean towards no. But there's a big gap between "a lawsuit is inappropriate here" and "What's the matter with this kid, he deserves what he got, why is this bullied, insecure 15-year-old acting so insecure and immature? He should just get over it." No doubt he will get over it, but give him a few years -- it took a lot of us that long even without a major roadblock like this.

    [END RANT]

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  15. Re:Please clairfy by KarateExplosions · · Score: 5, Funny

    They sued for $351,000 in damages.

    But he didn't get $351,000, because they reached a settlement. That implies that he took less than the $351,000 he was suing for. So here's all we can deduce based on logic: He got somewhere between $0 and $350,999.

    Oh wait, I'm on Slashdot, and that requires me to end all of my posts with an unintentionally ironic derogatory statement about people who post on Slashdot.

  16. Wrong... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "bullying the bully doesn't change it"

    That is absolutly incorrect. It is well know to those of us that beat the crap out of a bully or two in our youth, that a baseball bat to the head will change things very quickly. If you avoid arrest, the bully very quickly learns that you are not a "fun" target anymore.

    1. Re:Wrong... by Shads · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spot on... after 3 years of daily beatings, I started tracking people down when they were heading home, alone, in the middle of the night... the beatings ended in a right big hurry and it was entertaining to see them become unwilling to be alone... anywhere, once you know what fear truely is you quit being so willing to inflict it on others. Someone who hasn't been through the beatings and torture can't even come close to understanding how that feels and the mental, emotional, and physical scars it leaves. A fist fight sucks and you might win might lose... a gang of people getting you down and beating you regularly is a whole different story. A bully understands one thing, pain, end of story, until they feel it they have no concept and they don't care... after they feel enough pain they lose intereste in dishing it out anymore. ever.

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    2. Re:Wrong... by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "bullying the bully doesn't change it"

      That is absolutly incorrect. It is well know to those of us that beat the crap out of a bully or two in our youth, that a baseball bat to the head will change things very quickly. If you avoid arrest, the bully very quickly learns that you are not a "fun" target anymore.


      How right you are, but here's the funny part that I found: you don't even necessarily have to win the fight, you just have to be willing to fight it.

      Putting up the resistance is usually all that's necessary. The mere threat of resistance is enough - bullies don't want to fight, they want to walk on you without effort. So, make 'em work for it, and you'll generally be left alone. I've see that to be true all throughout life, in all my personal and business relationships.

      Be friendly! Work hard, help people, go to parties, be social, and be honorable in all your dealings! But whatever you do, make DAMNED SURE that at the first sign of any real threat, that they know that it would be painful to be your enemy.

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  17. Obligatory informative Simpsons quote by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Lisa: Dad, do you know what Schadenfreude is?

    Homer: No, I do not know what shaden-frawde is. [sarcasm] Please tell me, because I'm dying to know.

    Lisa: It's a German term for `shameful joy', taking pleasure in the suffering of others.

    Homer: Oh, come on Lisa. I'm just glad to see him fall flat on his butt! [getting mad] He's usually all happy and comfortable, and surrounded by loved ones, and it makes me feel... What's the opposite of that shameful joy thing of yours?

    Lisa: [nastily] Sour grapes.

    Homer: Boy, those Germans have a word for everything!

    7F23: "When Flanders Failed"

    http://www.snpp.com/episodes/7F23.html

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  18. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME?!!! by Einstein_101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comments like yours remind me why I hate internet forums.
     
    First of all, you took what he said out of content. even though he said what you posted. you completely overlooked the main focus of his post, and chose to dwell only what you took issue with - not because it was offensive, but because it hit a nerve with some unresolved issues that you have.
     
      Those kids were just being kids, everyone in that situation would have done the same thing. I would say Raza should have thought how video taping this ridiculous video AND LEAVING IT IN THE SCHOOL TV STUDIO would affect his life. I mean, did he expect no one to see it there?
     
    That would be the point. And guess what? Like it or not, it's true. Young boys have been doing things of this nature for years. Even kids who aren't bullies play pranks on each other sometimes. Not because they're evil - because they're kids. Truth be told, you don't know what the relationship was between the kids. That's today's ultra-sensitive society - everyone's having fun, until someone gets mad, tells their parents, and someone's getting sued. Half of the time the kids intentions weren't even how they tried to depict them as.
     
    But that's not why I hate the internet. I can tolerate views that differ from mine with no problem. What I can't stand is the attitude that's reflected in the comment that you made:
     
      Yeah, I know your type well, if you're what I think you are. How's the gas-pumping business, ya fucking jock?
     
    I take online abuse on a regular basis from people like you, and I wasn't even a jock. Not because I'm rude, because people like you who hold these types of things in. They walk around fine, but the moment they get into a situtation of power, they're hell to deal with. Support forums are full of them all over the internet. You see, after years of being bullied, you have your safe haven where you can say whatever you like to whoever you like, and they just have to take it. Whether their power is in being a moderator, or in having a bunch of friends on the board, they frequently abuse it. They walk around all the time with a chip on their shoulder, making curt and semi-sarcastic, hoping someone says something back so they can let them have it or boot them from a room.
     
    That "Internet John Wayne" crap isn't any less offensive or abusive than the kids that posted a silly dance tape on the internet. At least the kid recorded it himself.

  19. Crazy time? by Mille+Mots · · Score: 4, Funny
    Can you say "temporal insanity"?

    I surely can, but I don't understand what crazy time has to do with the subject.

    (Note for the humor impaired: I know the OP meant temporary insanity)

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  20. While I don't think they should get off free... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...it doesn't really seem to me that those involved wanted to create this. For one they didn't create that, he did that of his own free will. The first guy found it, second guy digitized it, it got spread around a little on e-mail. Third guy says he didn't know the two others, just saw a funny clip passed around and made a website which got insanely popular. No, it wasn't nice. Yes, I probably would have done the same myself (and I got harassed at school so don't go all "you don't know what it's like" on me).

    I mean, if these three had been working together to create this, then maybe. But this was more a case of pebbles starting an avalanche. Now I'm sorry the avalanche landed on Mr. Raza, but well... I don't think you should be punished for more than you intended to do, or reasonably could expect of consequences. It would be quite another thing if they were harassing him right up to the point where he freaked. But they dldn't, in fact they were as powerless to stop it themselves. Yes, someone found a funny tape and showed it to a buddy or two. That's not a $350000 offense.

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  21. Re:In case you didn't laugh enough the first time by hesiod · · Score: 5, Funny

    > In case you didn't laugh the first time....

    You may have a perfectly-working sense of humour. The video is not funny, it's 100% stupid. Some kid jumping around like a Methed Manatee. Big deal.

    What's REALLY funny is his claim in court that "he let himself go and no longer lifted weights to keep fit." That fat fuck wasn't "fit" when it was recorded, so unless he had his stomach stapled between then and when he found out it was on the Internet, he's a fat fucking LIAR.

    (Full disclosure: I am also a fat fuck and partial idiot; the difference is that I don't claim otherwise.)

  22. Re:In case you didn't laugh enough the first time by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    But at least you have a charming personality!

  23. Re:Wrong translation.. by Drakonite · · Score: 4, Funny
    That's not true at all, unless you take so broad a view as to say all human interaction is schadenfreude. Puns and knock-knock jokes come to mind immediately as counterexamples.

    If you don't think puns and knock-knock jokes are suffering then you must be the bastard that keeps telling those damned jokes.

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