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Why Open Standards Matter

Tina Gasperson over at Newsforge (Also owned by VA Software) has an interesting writeup about her experience at the Government Day sub-conference at LinuxWorld Boston. Government Day addressed some interesting issues including some of the more tangible reasons behind supporting open standards. From the article: "Speaking to the audience of government workers, Villa said, 'Maybe 2006 is not the year that Linux ends up on your desktops.' But, he encouraged them, if they begin using software that supports open standards now, such as Firefox and OpenOffice.org, then when Linux is ready it will be that much easier to make a switch. 'And maybe you'll decide not to make that switch,' Villa said. 'But at least the choice will be yours.'"

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  1. Getting the point across by bloobloo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want to describe the importance to a non-techie audience, the best idea is to use the simile of describing closed formats like betamax. Although it had its advantages there are problems getting the information back out. Yet "open standards" such as cine film can still be viewed or transcribed more easily. The closest people can usually get to understanding in terms of computer programs are the problems in moving from Access 98 to 2000.

    1. Re:Getting the point across by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If you want to describe the importance to a non-techie audience, the best idea is to use the simile of describing closed formats like betamax

      Imagine if you had to go to the maker of your car for servicing no matter how old it gets, and independent mechanics could not exist.

    2. Re:Getting the point across by arendjr · · Score: 5, Informative

      A very good illustration was made by David Wheeler at LinuxWorld about the importance of open standards, and it's probably even easier to understand for non-techies:

      [...] He went on to show the audience, through another word picture describing a 1904 fire in Baltimore, how open standards can prevent unhealthy dependence on one vendor. "Firefighters were called in from all the surrounding states," Wheeler said. "But all they could do was stand and watch the building burn, because their firehoses would not fit on the fire hydrants." A standard fire hose coupler could have prevented much of the destruction. [...]
    3. Re:Getting the point across by houghi · · Score: 3, Informative

      While DSL is fine for the regular hacker, I dont know if a 10 year old will be confortable with it...

      OK, I asume you are refering how Betamax was better the VHS technically. First they are both closed standards, so no matter who won, the closed standard would win.

      There are plenty of closed standards that are accepted. Look at the music CD. I believe it was Philips that collected the benefits for that for a long time. Not sure if they still do.

      There is a difference between closed standards that you let nobody else use (like *.doc), closed standards that you control, but let others use (like *.pdf) or open ones that are made by a commity (like *.html)

      Naturaly the public must accept these standards and the governement must enforce the use of these standards.(meter, celcius, gram, liter, ...)

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    4. Re:Getting the point across by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If you want to describe the importance to a non-techie audience, the best idea is to use the simile of describing closed formats like betamax. Although it had its advantages there are problems getting the information back out. Yet "open standards" such as cine film can still be viewed or transcribed more easily"

      Your heart is in the right place, but this doesn't strike me as a great example just on the grounds that somebody (like me..) would go "huh? Betamax works on all betamax players!" A better example would be one that most people would have dealt with at one time or another. "Have you ever tried to get your check-engine diagnosed outside of your dealer?" Or: "Have you ever tried to use your old cell phone with your new provider?" Okay, admittedly I haven't hit the PERFECT example, but in those cases anybody who has answered yes to those questions would have a lightbulb appear over their heads.

      Anyway, this isn't a rebuttal, just a suggestion of a better example. I was a little lost the first time I read your post.

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    5. Re:Getting the point across by bloobloo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interestingly, neither of those examples would hold up to scrutiny in the EU. Car manufacturers can't tie you to their main dealers even for their warranty periods as it is restraint of trade. A lot of engine diagnostic systems have been developed through reverse-engineering for interoperability which is legal. Likewise, mobile phones can be used on any network as long as they're unlocked (you may have to pay about £5 for the service) and they haven't been reported stolen.

    6. Re:Getting the point across by jyda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd argue that that example does more to illustrate the importance of standards, generally, rather than open standards. But if it's getting the point through, why not?

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    7. Re:Getting the point across by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Informative

      CDDA was invented in the mid-to-late 1970s; so even if there ever were any patents covering it, they will have expired by now. However, the "COMPACT disc" trademark is still protected; and no licence will be granted for its use on any equipment or discs that do not meet the published standard as amended. Hence this mark is notably absent from certain digital audio discs which deviate from the Red Book specification.

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  2. why it takes time... by joe+155 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is always going to be hard to get people to start using linux on their home computers, people like what they know... I've been using windows since 3.1 and the change to linux is certainly taking a long time and small steps is what is on order... in a government/business sense linux would be easier to adopt... when you're at work you don't need to install things (the one thing I think windows makes so much easier than linux) as the IT dept can handle that the same is true of installing hardware... for home computers though, well, it would be easier to adopt if I had friends who also used and so we could help each other and figure things out...

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    1. Re:why it takes time... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      when you're at work you don't need to install things (the one thing I think windows makes so much easier than linux)

      You haven't used Linux in a few years have you? I find that most of the time installing quality software on Linux is no harder than installing the windows counterpart. Most of the time, you don't need anything outside your distro's packaging system, so installing and finding stuff is much easier. If you try to compile everything from source, you're going to have problems. And you'd have the same problems in windows if you tried the same thing. I install all my software in Mandriva from the RPM's which are provided, add a couple extra download sources, and there's almost no piece of software out there that isn't available.

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    2. Re:why it takes time... by mspohr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "...to install things (the one thing I think windows makes so much easier than linux)"

      This is an old troll that is getting tiresome.

      Last time I had to install Windows (a few months ago when my daughter's laptop was overrun with spyware, etc.), it took more than a day to install XP, update and patch it, install firewall, virus scanner (and update them), then install MS Office (and update and patch it), plus other software that she used.

      Last time I installed Linux, it was also on a laptop (Ubuntu on an IBM) and the full install took less than an hour with the latest updates and the install included full Office suites, graphics, AV software, etc... (more software that I could ever buy for a Windows machine). Absolutey no problems recognizing and installing drivers for the laptop hardware (and my WiFi card was plug and play... it "Just Worked (TM)".

      The only excuse for not switching to Linux is just plain laziness... losing that competitive edge?

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  3. author mistaken? by phreakv6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has the author mistaken Open standards to Open source ?
    We use Open standards very much in our everyday life dont
    we?
    HTML, TCP/IP, GSM, PCI , XMPP ( jabber, google talk ).. etc. etc.

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    1. Re:author mistaken? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful
      We use Open standards very much in our everyday life dont we?

      Word, ppt, excel, smb, quicken, asf, wmv

    2. Re:author mistaken? by babbling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      DOC, iTunes, SWF, MOV, etc, etc.

    3. Re:author mistaken? by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      HTML, TCP/IP, GSM, PCI , XMPP ( jabber, google talk ).. etc. etc.

      We use Open standards very much in our everyday life dont we?

      Word, ppt, excel, smb, quicken, asf, wmv



      Even more interesting: compare which of the above said standards actually fostered growth in technology and paved new ways of doing business:

      The first set brought everyone the web, the internet, mobile phones, a plethora of choices for expansion cards, etc... all going down price-wise. Alot of opportunities of doing business also.

      The second ones, well... made us have to pick certain platforms/vendors to be relevant... I don't know about everyone else, but over here the price of windows or Office is not going down! Magic food indeed.

    4. Re:author mistaken? by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wmv is open standard . Microsoft has submitted it to standards body inorder to get it as one of the codecs in Blue Ray disc standard, and HD-Disc standard.

      It is A standard. Not an open one with the full meaning of the word open. Can I make a GPL application that will legally play wmv files? Can I make a closed source freeware application that can play wmv files without paying a royality to microsoft? I would happily admit I am wrong if you provide me links to the opposite...

    5. Re:author mistaken? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      DOC

      Not open.

      iTunes

      Not a file format. iTunes does, however, work with standards such as MP3 and MP4. Neither of these are quite open, since you need to pay a small royalty to implement them. AIFF, also supported by iTunes, is open, however.

      SWF

      Probably counts as half-open. You are free to download the spec and implement things that write SWF files, but not things that read them.

      MOV

      This is an open standard, and is the official container format for MP4 bytestreams. Not all of the bytestreams embedded in MOV containers are open, however, but it is possible to put something like a Vorbis/Theora stream in one.

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    6. Re:author mistaken? by jocknerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This leads to a reason why we need a new definition of what open standards mean. AAC is an open standard, because it was agreed upon by a committee and its specs were submitted. But its not free. A license for the encoder will set you back about $15K. Not open by my definition. To me, an open standard should be free of patents and licensing fees in addition to having documented specs.

    7. Re:author mistaken? by luge · · Score: 2, Informative

      We certainly use some open standards, but what I was getting at in the talk (I'm the speaker) was the next layer up of closed standards- .doc, ActiveX, AIM/Yahoo Chat (XMPP is not widely used at all yet), etc. Those are the things that lock you into proprietary platforms.

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    8. Re:author mistaken? by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can indeed make a GPL application that will play WMV files. You can use DirectShow to access all the installed codecs in a Windows environment. The decoder is already there, you're just using it.

      Yes, if you utilize the decoder that ships with windows. The licensing cost of the decoder is integrated in the windows license. If I'm developing a windows only app, I'm ok. But what happens when I want to port the application to linux or any non microsoft OS? I'll have to make use of patented technology. Not a problem if i'm willing to pay the fee. But how is that 'open'?

      Let alone the wmv format is popular because of it being tied with windows. That being said, it is a good format IMHO. But the lack of choice, I believe, is obvious...

  4. Re:About Open standards by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Informative
    erm... we're talking about Open Standards here, NOT Open Source Software... if your software, (whether OSS or CSS) supports Open Standards, then your data cannot be locked in.

    If the standard is Closed (ie proprietary), then the owner of the standard can change it and you are stuffed unless you stick with the software provided by the owner of the standard... this, of course, leaves you open to your data being held hostage subject to you remaining on the upgrade treadmill...

    if you are using Open Standards and the supplier of your closed source software software goes belly up, then your data isn't held hostage or lost because someone else is highly likely to already support that same Open Standard

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  5. When you're ahead... by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I once had a standards seminar where soemone made the interresing remark that open standards only matter to companies that are behind in marketshare. Once a company is dominant they want closed standards.

    Of course "open source" can hardly be defined as a company.

    1. Re:When you're ahead... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I once had a standards seminar where soemone made the interresing remark that open standards only matter to companies that are behind in marketshare. Once a company is dominant they want closed standards.

      Perhaps that can be true, but I'm inclined to think that this is no longer so sure now that ESR's thoughts in The Cathedral and the Bazaar have spread throughout the IT world. The more a company supports "open" ideas, such as open standards and open source, the more support it will get from the open source developer community. When a company is supported by open source developers, they can get a lot of unpaid labour that can push their products ahead of the crowd. Sure, certain licenses may require that the developers' contributions be available to all, but by the time competing companies implement the ideas, the first company should already have some new advantage.

      If corporations want to profit from this community spirit, then they need to avoid pissing off their labour force, and so supporting open standards is a good idea.

    2. Re:When you're ahead... by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think there is something to say for both points of view. In some ways the "free labour" sounds tempting, on the other hand having a closed shop with "your own" developers can be much more predictable (mark the can be != is ;-) ). And in that way it is harder to profit from your investment.

      And of course there are branches (like where I'm in) where things are mostly secret and the actual cost of internal development is lower than the cost of leaking information (which could just be a way of doing things).

      I think in the end it mostly depends on the type of business you're in.

    3. Re:When you're ahead... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is worth pointing out that this is true of the producers of the software, not of the users. Users always benefit from open standards because it provides them with a second source. If your supplier is forced to compete, then this is obviously beneficial to you.

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  6. Starts with DRM by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are only going to awake to open standards when they realise that the digital movie or tune that they bought suddenly doesn't work anymore because the format is old, closed, and the company went bankrupt. I.e., people will only care about open standards when they run into lovely DRM more often in their daily lives.

    Now, from a business point of view.... open standards is actually much harder for IT outsourcing companies to handle. Most of the employees of such companies (who are cheap) are low skill, MCSE people, and even if they aren't, they couldn't write a PERL script to save their hides. Problems start when IT head management wants to try and get these people to help troubleshoot hardware issues with FreeBSD, hack the Linux kernel, and develop and deploy untested beta software for critical systems all at MCSE skills and prices.

    Not only is it hard to find people to be Open Source nuts and support open standards, but they cost more. This is where Microsoft wins out with PHBs, because at they pick cheap and fast out of the (Cheap/Fast/Quality) trinity... then they end up accepting locked standards.

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    1. Re:Starts with DRM by babbling · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If Apple were more daring, they could sell as many iTunes songs as they could between now and the release of Vista, and then not release an iTunes client for Vista. Since there is a good chance the current version of iTunes won't work on the final version of Vista, people would be forced to either give up their library of songs from iTunes, or upgrade from WinXP to OSX rather than Vista.

      Of course, Apple won't do this because it is better for them (for the time being) to have people locked into iPods rather than risking people actually giving up their library of iTunes music by making it not supported in Vista.

    2. Re:Starts with DRM by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

      people would be forced to either give up their library of songs from iTunes, or upgrade from WinXP to OSX rather than Vista.

      You seem to be forgetting option C), namely "or not upgrade their OS at all".

    3. Re:Starts with DRM by VGPowerlord · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Since there is a good chance the current version of iTunes won't work on the final version of Vista, people would be forced to either give up their library of songs from iTunes, or upgrade from WinXP to OSX rather than Vista.

      I can run Windows programs all the way down to ones made for Windows 3.1 on XP. Microsoft puts a lot of stock into backwards compatibility. Perhaps you should rethink that statement?

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  7. Re:About Open standards by onebecoming · · Score: 2

    Thanks, peabrain. Maybe next time you'll want to excise the subhead before your copy-paste hackjob.

  8. Nope! by babbling · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No. Ordinary people still won't care, no matter which way you explain it to them. The only example they will understand is when they get burnt by it, and even then most of them probably won't realise why things are so difficult, or that they could be easier.

    1. Re:Nope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Imho you are wrong.

      When I studied computer science in the late 1980s, as a teenager I naively *assumed* that the world ran on open standards.
      What other kind of standards are there after all? If it's not published it's not a standard. I spent many months learning the (then) relatively new OSI model, soaking up IEEE papers on how ethernet and RS232 worked. All that seemed perfectly normal to me. The very definition of a general purpose computing and communication device almost *must* be based on open published standards or nothing will interoperate. Everything seemed like it was converging towards the sensible and neccessary state of affairs - the C language had replaced having to learn multitude assembly languages and so on....

      Then cue Microsoft....

      I don't hate Microsoft because of their politics, or because of their shoddy products. I hate them because they offend
      my sensibilities as a computer scientist and programmer. In my opinion MS have set back computing a decade.
      They have implemented a deliberate policy of standards breaking, lock out/in, reinventing wheels and creating intentional obsolescence. They have broken every rule I learned as as a CS grad.

      When I talk to regular Joes about this, and explain the simple real reason why programmers hate MS, that it's nothing to do with bitterness at Bill gates or even the huge market share they have, or their political manipulations, but rather that it's because they break standards, and people understand in an instant.

      I don't think people "don't care". Most people are like I was as the naive teenager - they *expect* things to work together. After all what would be the point of creating an incompatible product?

      When you explain to people why Microsoft suck don't get drawn into the business and ethics debates. Don't mention the spyware and dubious politics, it just makes you seem like a kook. Focus on explaining how and why they deliberately break international standards.

    2. Re:Nope! by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People of a certain mindset expect things to work together. People of other mindsets do not.

      Mass is a property shared by all matter. But people weigh themselves in stones, their babies in pounds, loose produce by asking for pounds or ounces and getting an equivalent amount in grammes, and buy pre-packed goods weighed in [kilo]grammes. It never occurs to them to think that they could weigh everything in kilogrammes and be able to compare their own mass to their baby or a bag of cement or a tub of coleslaw or half a dozen bananas.

      So it goes with audio equipment. Up to the 1970s, almost everything with a loudspeaker in it had a 5-pin DIN socket to connect something else to use its amplifier; if it was a tape recorder, the input pins would have been wired up too, so you could record other things onto tape. By the 1980s, these connectors -- much used by a tiny minority and ignored by nearly everyone else -- were disappearing. When I modified a radio-cassette plater to connect up a portable CD player to it, people asked my why I had done it ..... my attitude was "why not?" {It was also significantly cheaper, and less wasteful, than buying a new radio/cassette/CD player. There was nothing wrong with either appliance -- apart from the radio's unwillingness to accept an external signal.}

      Big Business doesn't like interoperability. Big Business wants you to ditch all your old kit whenever something new comes along. Do you think every TV set, VCR, satellite receiver and DVD player would have a SCART socket -- an international standard -- if it wasn't mandated by law? Manufacturers are really galled by the prospect that you can keep one bit of equipment when you replace another.

      Lack of interoperability, in other words vendor lock-in, is what keeps software vendors going. And there is going to be tremendous resistance to change.

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  9. Open Standards by dueyfinster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My uncle is so non-technical, he struggles to play solitare, but I managed to get Ubuntu on to his machine, and he uses it occassionly..........for solitare.......ah well Anyway moral of the story is that I explained Open Source to him using his work: "Hey Tommy I want to tell you about Open Source, Ubuntu and why Microsoft is wrong" First I told him about Mass. Debacle.......he started to lose interest...... Then I started "Think of it as fittings, what if everyone used different ones, it would be impossible to have the right tool (He is a welder/fitter)" Then he totally got it, and went on ranting about how Americans don't use the biggest standard of them all (Metric System, that is) and why Microsoft are no differet......

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  10. You missed one... by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're right, of course about personal usage and business usage.

    But another hugely significant factor is Government/Public Sector usage. Most Governments see themselves as in it for the long term - maybe not in the form of the current administration, or even the current socioeconomic model - however, even through major changes the survival of the information is paramount. Even to the extent of a ridiculous waste of resources.

    To this end, they will probably see (e.g.) Microsoft as a threat to their knowledge base - envisioning that their bureaucratic empires will long see off the demise of such structures (they have a point, as most bureaucracies are far older than any other organisation currently in existance). For this reason we are seeing more and more public sector organisations leaning towards open standards (the most prominent example of late being Massachusetts).

    It is worth remembering the importance of public sector contracts to the world's economies - they have a lot of influence.

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  11. 2006? by miro+f · · Score: 2, Funny

    wait, so 2006 ISN'T the year of the desktop linux?

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  12. Neo: "What are you trying to tell me?" ... by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 3, Funny
    Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can run Linux?"
    Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."
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  13. False dichotomy by bloobloo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're looking at it only from the perspective of the developers of the standards. I'd be surprised if anyone could show me how an end user benefits from closed standards.

  14. Re:Maybe not this year... by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    XML is not necessarily open. After all, it's extensible, and extensions can be proprietary. Microsoft could have a container like
    <SecretProprietaryExtension>
    ..... loads of weirdy characters .....
    </SecretProprietaryExtension>
    and as long as their schema mentioned <SecretProprietaryExtension> as a valid container, then it would be valid XML. If they really wanted to arse it up for their competitors, they could describe the document entirely within the secret proprietary extension; but put in some valid-looking markup that would actually create a less-than-perfect rendering In Real Life.

    Microsoft's entire business model revolves around making new versions of Office that are incompatible with previous versions, giving a few copies away for free, and thereby forcing everyone else to upgrade in order to read the files their friends have sent them. Really, it's just a form of built-in obsolescence ..... unlike hardware, you can't make software fail after a certain amount of use.
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  15. Open Standards...nothing new by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every Linux World for the past three years has talked about this. From CA's CEO last year in Boston, to ODSL, Red Hat, SuSE, MySQL, etc. etc., the message is the same every year. Open Standards good, proprietary bad.

    The problem is that we sit here and beat our drums, but someone comes along and says "when Linux is ready..."

    Last I heard there were many organizations (Government, etc.) already using Linux on the desktop. I'm sure they will tell you it is ready.

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  16. In short.. by mOOzilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What good is a system if it cannot talk to other systems (programs services etc).

  17. Open Standards Do Not Matter by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Open Standards do not matter at all to the vast majority of people.

    Many people, and many businesses, are committing their entire lives to digital storage under a plethora of proprietary, closed standards. One by one, the suppliers who created these standards will cease to exist -- companies will go out of business, or be bought up and asset-stripped.

    What does this mean? The photos you took of your children growing up won't be viewable on modern equipment. None of the recordings of the band you played in when you were younger will be listenable. Business letters written just a few years ago won't be readable.

    But a generation from now, nobody will even remember that Open Standards ever existed. Everything will be locked up behind proprietary standards, jealously-guarded secrets. If you're allowed to program your own computer at all, you'll be severely restricted in what you can do with it.

    And nobody will care. The problem will be thought of as "just one of the unforeseen hazards of trusting electronics", and lived with. By that stage we will already have draconian DRM in documents, and in most cases it will be so badly misconfigured that there will be no cut-and-paste; an operator will end up having to use two computers and two monitors, retyping information from one screen onto the other. All this will just be thought of as the way the world naturally works.

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    1. Re:Open Standards Do Not Matter by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's why nearly everyone is going to Microsoft. It's one company with lots and lots of money that will **never** go out of business (just how many $B in the bank do they have now?)
      In a No Limit Poker game, once one player has more money than all the others put together, they are -- barring extraordinarily bad play -- mathematically certain to walk away with every chip on the table. That's the position Microsoft are in now.
      So far, DRM will only lock [the ordinary user] out of some music and movies. At this point in time, this is more of a PITA than a real problem. So far, his photos, documents, and personal recordings are transportable, exportable, and not locked out (in his opinion -- he has not seen the fine print in the licenses for the formats, the restrictions, etc.).
      So far, yes. But DRM is coming to Office. It inevitably will end up affecting home users, possibly in ways you cannot imagine now.
      Only when DRM bites him in the butt will he take notice (like the new CD that he could not play on his computer or the Sony CD that caused him to take his computer to Geek Squad and pay $100 to fix it).
      And he probably will still think this is "just something that happens", as much a part of owning a computer as having to plug it into the mains. All that will come about from cases like this, if anything, is that audio discs in future will be labelled with "DO NOT INSERT THIS DISC INTO A COMPUTER" or somesuch. From Sony's point of view, it's a clear cheese-sandwich-in-the-VCR situation.
      Government is different. Their documents need to be available forever. Their documents belong to the people, not some creation called "the Government" (at least here in the US where the Government is for the people, by the people, etc.). The issue is about free and open access to those Government documents. It is about data retention and the ability to read those documents in 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years.
      I don't think even governments are bothered enough. We may pay their wages {or get carted off to prison if we don't -- but hey, at least in prison you can still light up}, but that doesn't mean much to them.

      If and when government documents become unreadable, the issue in all probabilty will just be shrugged off. Non-computer-owners are "Luddites" {or too cheap to buy a computer or too poor for a government to want to be bothered with}; computer owners who use alternatives to Windows are "Freaks" {or too cheap to buy "proper" software}.

      By the time we reach the point where the problem is impacting severely on governments' ability to serve the people, it will be too late. Government officials probably will not even realise that there is a problem, or that there might have been a better way to do things all along. And if they do, they won't dare admit to it .....
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    2. Re:Open Standards Do Not Matter by FLEB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The photos you took of your children growing up won't be viewable on modern equipment.
      JPEG? (Okay, I'll admit that I ought to convert the NEFs for storage one of these days.)

      None of the recordings of the band you played in when you were younger will be listenable.
      CDDA? MP3?

      Business letters written just a few years ago won't be readable.
      Okay, I'll give you DOC.

      Open standards (or at least easily-licensed enough standards to be on a par with open) are nearly ubiquitous, and widely supported for both reading and writing. With the fact that these formats are open and digital (allowing lossless medium-to-medium copy), anyone who puts forth even a minimal effort to, say, drop all the CD-ROM backups onto whatever nails shut CD-ROM's coffin, there's no reason why most of today's content can't live on far into the future.

      Aside from the .DOC format, an anomoly, and formats for new and growing technologies, like digital video, things are only getting better in regard to open standardization. I predict that once Internet video has been around for a few years, it will also develop "Lowest-common-denominator" standards just like its predecessors.

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  18. Re:best reason to use open standards... by morgdx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The more people who take that stance, the less attachments they'll receive.

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  19. Re:best reason to use open standards... by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your intentions are good, but the execution is off base. Zealotry doesn't attract mainstream followers, only rabid believers. All the rabid believers already believe, in the case of the 'Open' software world. This means your approach is valid if you want to preach to the choir, but in the rest of the world it's the equivalent of standing on the street corner screaming about the end times.

    I wish I could suggest a better approach, but the thing is, it's really just a technical issue. It has social ramifications, but mainly for technical folks. There's very little reason for mainstream users to care. All that can be done is some vague handwaving about rights and freedoms that typical users are in no position to exercise.

    Possibly the best route to take is cost, but for most people the cost of software isn't really that onerous. A few hundred dollars a year isn't terribly out of line for the provided benefit.

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  20. government-approved applications by RussP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work for the federal govt, and I recently received a notice from my organization stating that, for security reasons, only certain "standard" applications will be allowed. MS Office is one of them

    I don't have the memo handy, but if I recall, it applied only to PCs and Macs. I'm not sure if "PC" means a "Windows PC" or if it also includes Linux PCs. So that may or may not leave the door open to OpenOffice (or other ODF-based suites) for Linux at least.

    In any case, this mandate really burns me. Just when the world may be ready to start abandoning the MS monopoly, my organization is trying to reinforce it for "security" reasons.

    The other thing that gets me is that if I protest, most of my colleagues will think I just have some sort of quirky, neurotic aversion to MS because Bill Gates is "too rich" or something. You'd be amazed how many otherwise well-informed technical people out there are truly clueless about the standards war going on.

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  21. "When Linux is ready" by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could the author explain why Linux isn't ready for office use? In my opinion it's been "ready" for several years, and only getting better. (And no snarky comments about lack of games, that doesn't apply to an office environment)

  22. All of this is rather silly by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I always see these arguments, and I always see people missing the point. I like open source, I like open standards, but I also live in the real world and can see things from the perspective of the business I work for.

    Open Office is improving all the time, some of the components(I only really use word processing) are almost as good as the Microsoft equivilants. The document format is standard and can be replicated by any application which wants to do so.

    However, it hasn't been, you can't just open an Open Office document, you have to install Open or Star Office, or possibly some other freeware application. Most specifically you can't open an Open Office document in Microsoft Office, which, no matter how much you dislike it, is the defacto industry standard.

    If you send someone a word document, they will have something which can open it, and if they do any document editing at all, they'll be able to work with it and change it. If you send them an OpenOffice document, odds are they won't be able to open it. The purpose of these sorts of files is to store and transfer data, if the person I'm sending that document to can't open it, then it doesn't matter whether the file is open or closed, because it has no practical purpose.

    You can argue about the value of open standards till you're blue in the face, but if everyone can't open it without substantial effort(downloading a 100 meg file is substantial effort), if they can't edit it without substantial effort, then it doesn't have any value at all.

    You could design a language which was perfect, which had no exceptions to rules, which allowed for no ambiguity or misunderstanding, which was, in every way you can measure such a thing, perfect, but if no one speaks it it doesn't make any difference at all.