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More Unintended Consequences of the DMCA

BrianWCarver writes "In the seven years since Congress enacted the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), examples of the law's impact on legitimate consumers, scientists, and competitors continue to mount. A new report released today from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), 'Unintended Consequences: Seven Years Under the DMCA,' (pdf) collects reports of the misuses of the DMCA -- chilling free expression and scientific research, jeopardizing fair use, impeding competition and innovation, and interfering with other laws on the books. The report updates a previous version issued by EFF in 2003, which Slashdot also covered."

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  1. Well, here's the problem by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problems is (a) if you're a media or software company, you view these as "good" consequence (b) if you're a member of congress, you're routinely told America's financial health is dependant on the strong protection of IP, so you don't see any problem with this (c) hardly anybody has any direct consequence because of DMCA, so they don't see the problem.

    So in the face of all that intertia, no one really cares about the extreme cases. I'm guessing the cutover to HDTV in the U.S. (a.k.a. "The Disaster") will generate a lot of problems and make cause a backlash, but right now, it's hard to see anyone in charge or in authority speaking out against the law, and there is almost zero groudswell against it.

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    1. Re:Well, here's the problem by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The HDCP situation could go either way, depending on how it's handled. If they get modern, slick, smooth digital cable boxes with DVRs into the hands of the congresspersons, and everything just works, they won't think about reasons to block legislation.

      However, if any of these congresspeople were early adopters of HDTVs that didn't buy the current version of HDCP, and they find out that their $10,000 plasma TVs are worthless for modern HDCP / HD-DVD / BLU-RAY, they're going to be pretty pissed off, and that can only help our cause. Another factor working to our advantage there is to be an early adopter requires cash, and most members of congress are fairly well off -- none of them are people anyone would consider impoverished.

      "Here's to backlash -- may it strike deep into the wallet of a Republican member of Congress reviewing the DMCA."

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    2. Re:Well, here's the problem by Robocoastie · · Score: 2, Informative

      I want to agree with the assessment but this "study" isn't from a neutral third party so it must be taken with a grain of salt.

    3. Re:Well, here's the problem by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm guessing the cutover to HDTV in the U.S. (a.k.a. "The Disaster") will generate a lot of problems and make cause a backlash, but right now, it's hard to see anyone in charge or in authority speaking out against the law, and there is almost zero groudswell against it.
      That could be in part beause the cutoff only means analog goes away, not everything is in HD. I had digital cable for a while (standard defintion) and aside from the increase in cost for two hundred more channels that I'll never watch, the video was lower quality than the analog because of a crappy encode or decode. Analog may not be as sharp (and when you're talking SD digital, it's not noticible, unlike VHS/DVD), but at least it didn't constantly artifact and block out.
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  2. schadenfreude by kisrael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BoingBoing linked to the sorrowful tale of a guy who's a big pro-lockdown guy on the web who got screwed when his portless DVR ate all the carefully recorded Spanish lessons he had saved for his children. He would've been within his rights to do an external backup, but those rights got trampeled by the fear of casual piracy. Whoops, too bad! I mean.... !no es bueno senor!

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    1. Re:schadenfreude by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. what is a record?
      2. wouldn't you be 50% likely to stutter in english?
      3. If you steal a steven wright joke, please attribute.
      4. sorry, If you infringe a steven wright joke...

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  3. Fair Use by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fair Use Under Siege "Fair use" is a crucial element in American copyright law-the principle that the public is entitled, without having to ask permission, to use copyrighted works in ways that do not unduly interfere with the copyright owner's market for a work. Fair uses include personal, noncommercial uses, such as using a VCR to record a television program for later viewing. Fair use also includes activities undertaken for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research. Unfortunately, the DMCA throws out the baby of fair use with the bathwater of digital piracy. By employing technical protection measures to control access to and use of copyrighted works, and using the DMCA against anyone who tampers with those measures, copyright owners can unilaterally eliminate fair use, re-writing the copyright bargain developed by Congress and the courts over more than a century.

    What bothers me is that things like this cause people to think that there is no such thing as fair use. I work as a teacher and I make a bunch of presentations for my classes. It's school policy that we can't use copyrighted images for any purposes -- even this clear cut case of non-comercial, educational use. This policy is just one of the many in place to eliminate even the possibility that someone may sue for any reason, no matter how in the right we may be. I'd use creative commons images anyway, but this is very frustrating.

    -CGP

    1. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's school policy that we can't use copyrighted images for any purposes

      If that's the policy, you can't use any images except some that are so trivial that they cannot be copyrighted, and the few the copyright of which expired (but make sure that the digital version you downloaded off the internet isn't covered by a new copyright). Even images you produce yourself are automatically protected by copyright.

    2. Re:Fair Use by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting quote, the DCMA does indeed harm those legitimate examples of Fair Use, except ultimately, the DCMA _doesn't_ stop piracy. It is my impression that the real net effect is that it only harms the law-abiding. Hence my sig...

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    3. Re:Fair Use by hador_nyc · · Score: 2, Insightful
      - even this clear cut case of non-comercial, educational use.
      The most ironic part of that is the fact that real pirates will not be inhibited by this. They'll have the means to do what they are already doing. You almost can't walk down a street in Manhattan, or sit in the subway often enough, without seeing someone sell pirated copies of movies; some of which aren't in theaters yet. Sure they run away when the cops come by, but the fact is that they don't get too many of them.

      You know, this sounds a lot like drug enforcement. Not to sound too radical, although /. might be the right place for this, but this sounds like the same logic. One could see the same thinking extend all the way back to Prohibition. A few are abusing it, so let's prohibit everyone from using it at all. It was a bad idea eighty years ago, and it's still a bad idea now. Better to regulate and tax than to try to outlaw that which so many folks want to do. I wouldn't see so many of those pirated movies on the street if folks weren't buying them. They keep pushing DMCA and we'll only see more of this. If you ask me, and you don't have to since this is /., it's just goes to show that the government doesn't change; it always has bad solutions to problems.

      For the record, I'm rather cynical when it comes to trusting the government to solve most problems.
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  4. Geeks of the world! Unite! by DesertWolf0132 · · Score: 4, Funny

    As much as we write and complain about the idiots in government creating legislation that is bad for technology and innovation we have yet to solve the problem. I think given the power of /. we could unite a movement to elect someone with an IQ higher than 3 and not in the back pockets of those abusing the DMCA. Viva la Revolution! Think about it. We could form a new political party where rank comes from ability, not tenure. We could take over the world!

    ...well, after I blog about it...

    then there is my L.U.G. meeting...

    and the sites I need to code...

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    1. Re:Geeks of the world! Unite! by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the aclu is so concerned about my rights, how come they don't protect my right to bear arms?

      Maybe because the NRA already does that and the ACLU doesn't want to waste money that can be put to other causes?

    2. Re:Geeks of the world! Unite! by laughingcoyote · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why does the EFF not defend your Second Amendment rights? Because that's not part of what they do, AND it's already taken care of! There already is a large and very powerful organization known as the NRA. If you're having problems with your Second Amendment rights, call them, they'll be happy to help you with those. If you're having problems with other civil rights, call the ACLU. They'll help you with those problems. If you're hungry, call your local pizza place. They'll help you out in that case. What's wrong with not being everything to everyone, when it's already taken care of by a -more- specialized organization very competent to deal with that issue?

      By the way, what is this about the ACLU being the "mouthpiece for the ultraleft"? The ACLU defends all comers whose civil rights have been violated. Granted, minorities' rights tend to be violated more frequently, whether that be gays, blacks, or those with non-mainstream political philosophies. This means that the ACLU will most often be defending those on the fringes-that's not out of their choice, it's because those are the people who will the most frequently need the defending. But the ACLU will defend (and has defended) the right of people to hold Bible studies in public parks at the same time they fight religious language in the Pledge of Allegiance. No contradiction here-the government must stay neutral on religious matters, neither cheerleading nor getting in the way for any particular religion or religion in general. Same for any other matters-one imagines if the government forced Rush Limbaugh off the air tomorrow, the ACLU would scream the first and the loudest, same as if it were Howard Stern. (What Limbaugh's feelings would be on that are another matter entirely.) Howard Stern's simply more likely to see it happen to him.

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  5. Worse are enhacements to the DMCA by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:Worse are enhacements to the DMCA by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 2, Informative

      That article is over 3 years old, despite recently being on the digg front page, and is a journalist's sensationalist mis-interpretation of proposed legislation.

      The actual text of the bill draft reads:

      "A person commits an offense if, with the intent to harm or defraud a communication service, the
      person tampers with, modifies, or maintains a modification to a communication device provided by or installed by the provider"

  6. Evil by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: HP's Region-Coded, Expiring Printer Cartridges: Hewlett-Packard, one of the world's leading printer manufacturers, has embedded software in its printers and accompanying toner cartridges to enforce "region coding" restrictions that prevent cartridges purchased in one region from operating with printers purchased in another. This "feature" presumably is intended to support regional market segmentation and price discrimination.

    The software embedded in HP printer cartridges also apparently causes them to "expire" after a set amount of time, forcing consumers to purchase new ink, even if the cartridge has not run dry.


    Now that's damn evil. After I moved to England, I discovered the that my DVDs no longer worked. But I never knew that this was now in printers as well. How long before some jackass decides to regin-encode my whole laptop?

    -Grey

  7. EFF: Factually incorrect, again. by sakusha · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought I'd pop in a quick comment to beat the rush.. I've barely scanned through the document, but I've already noticed obvious and glaring errors.

    For example, they cite the case of Adobe's claim that Nikon prevented them from decrypting their RAW format files. The facts as the EFF documents explains them, are just plain wrong. There was a brief outcry from some overwrought programmers at Adobe over this issue, but it turned out Nikon was always willing to license their proprietary code to developers like Adobe, even before this little dust-up. Nothing to see here, move along, it was just another testy outburst from a programmer who had too much coffee and didn't want to wait for his managers to finish negotiations with Nikon.

    I'll go through the document in more detail, and I'm sure I'll find more deliberate misstatements of facts. The EFF always trumps up charges to inflate its case. Perhaps someday they will learn that this tactic undermines their efforts.

    1. Re:EFF: Factually incorrect, again. by Angstroem · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Frankly, you're not getting to the core of that.

      Of course Nikon will happily license out those decryption routines so one has access to the RAW format; but there's no need to introduce encryption in the first place, or keep the file format non-disclosed, for that matter.

      Assume, you're a pro photographer and therefore store your pictures in that very RAW format for maximum resolution. The pictures are *your* creative work, not Nikon's. Who says that they will still support that format in 5 years? Who guarantees you that their software will work with your PC of choice in 5 years?

      You buy a camera for making pictures, and you probably want to use that very camera for a period which is usually way longer than what's currently supported by any software manufacturer. There are people who still use old Leicas or Rollei cameras... No pro photographer wants to change their equipment with every new OS generation.

      With that licensing model -- Nikon creating an encrypted format which *they* own all rights to and *they* have the power to give and revoke licenses as they want -- they directly affect the photographer in accessing his own creative work.

      It's like bringing out an analog camera where the photos are taken scrambled and you can view the photos only using a camera-manufacturer provided lens. Which is provided for a limited time only.

      An outburst by a programmer who had too much coffee? Maybe you didn't have enough to see the implications of such artificial crippling of file formats...

    2. Re:EFF: Factually incorrect, again. by lmlloyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is just the silliest overstatement I have ever seen! Actually, what the Nikon RAW encryption is almost *exactly* like, is if Kodak had patented the formula for the developing solution for their film, and only Kodak, or people who licensed the formula from Kodak, could make the chemicals to develop the film you shot. You know, kind of like the exact situation that has been the case since the introduction of Kodachrome film!

      I get so tired of how people think that something being digital, suddenly means that any abridgments of their 'freedom' (even freedoms they never had before) is a violation of their "rights." Nikon made the camera, and they have every right to have it record in whatever format they want. If you, as the consumer, don't like it, instead of whining about how it is a horrible misuse of the DMCA for them to decide who can and can't license their proprietary format, just buy a damned Canon!

      If you are so worried about them revoking the license and rendering your photos useless, then make a copy in Kodak Cineon, or a 16-bit per-channel SGI file, or OpenEXR, or any number of other formats that can support a High Dynamic Range Image without loss. No one is stopping you from doing that, any more than anyone is stopping you from copying your negatives, or making prints of your film. Nikon justs wants a cut of the 'development' costs, just like Kodak, AGFA and Fuji have been getting for years! I bet if you are a professional photographer, you don't have much of a problem with the streamlined copyright procedures that came with the DMCA though, do you? I am guessing that while you want them to repeal any part of the DMCA that causes you the even the smallest inconvenience, you are in no hurry to have to go back to making a print of your picture, filling out a form, and registering it with the copyright office in order to get the benefit of copyright law, are you?

    3. Re:EFF: Factually incorrect, again. by Angstroem · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Not at all. If you buy a brand-x camera, you can use whatever film you want to use. You are not bound to Kodakchrome and their holy development formulas.

      However, with the Nikon approach you are either forced to go for a crippled format (and JPEG *is* crippled from a graphical point of view) or use their very own RAW format. It's not like the camera would support a gazillion of (especially competing) lossless formats by default.

      And, sorry, but if Nikon wants their development costs back, then they should raise the price per camera, but not via licensing fees on their oh-so-holy *file format*. While the Kodakchrome process may (or may not) have been superior to other films, it never the less was based on true research. A *file format* for pictures definitely is not. It's a container for pixels and, in the case of digital camera, some color/hue/saturation coefficients derived automatically through a calibration process.

      Btw, I'm no photographer. For this discussion it also shouldn't matter whether I am one or not. Exchange "Nikon RAW" with "Word DOC" or "Eagle SCH/PCB" if photographers are such a red flag for you. Maybe you'll then get the point.

    4. Re:EFF: Factually incorrect, again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree to a point that companies can employ means to control the use of their product(s), but there are BIG differences between your Kodak example and this. A patent expires, allowing competition to take place - other companies can now offer you those chemicals that only Kodak (or Kodak approved companies) could.

      A digital restriction like this never expires - Nikon can force its way into a monopoly hold on products to manage the images from its cameras FOREVER.

      Despite that, my biggest concern is not the fact that companies might be able to create and indefinitely maintain articial restrictions. My concern is the fact that it's illegal for consumers to do anything about it. Kodak can't prevent companies from making a different chemical composition to take the place of their patented version. They can't prevent companies from selling kits to modify a Kodak camera to use other types of film. They can't prevent me from publishing how I took apart my camera and added/removed something. But Nikon can stop companies from trying to interoperate with its products digitally. They can stop me from publishing details on my tinkering with my camera's onboard software.

      When the law gives them the ability to restrict my rights (rights that did already exist) and the rights of other companies then there's a problem.

  8. Read EFF report with a little skepticism ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like nearly everyone else involved the EFF has an agenda and a spin. Once example of EFF FUD'ing may be the reference to scientific research. A while ago I read a *government* summary of the DMCA and I believe there is an *exemption for research*. Scientific research and various other activities are inherently exempt.

    1. Re:Read EFF report with a little skepticism ... by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, but try calling Adobe (for instance) and asking for a file to decrypt PDFs for educational (as in university) use. Sure there's an exeption in there, but nobody pays attention to it. They just claim it's a DMCA thing and hang up on you.

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    2. Re:Read EFF report with a little skepticism ... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like nearly everyone else involved the EFF has an agenda and a spin.

      You'd have an agenda if you had the Secret Service come to your place of business back in the day and take virtually every top-of-the-line computer you had sunk all your cash into, and then a few years later return those very same computers crushed into small tiny bits.

      Does noone remember History? I remember Steve Jackson helping out the WorldCon in New Orleans by loaning us his computers so we could rewrite the dBase III code that their author/artist registration ran on, so we could actually hold the convention with panels.

      A year later, he couldn't do that, because the Secret Service took his computers since he was writing a game about Hackers.

      Maybe you like living in Soviet Russia, but I don't.

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  9. Not unintended by bigg_nate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jeopardizing fair use and impeding competition and innovation are not unintended consequences. They're major reasons some DMCA supporters wanted it passed.

  10. The invisible foot of Government by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every law passed by the State with the honest and sincere intention of being for the public good turns out *in practise* to be to the (sometimes enourmous) public harm, while hugely benefitting a very small number of people.

  11. independent artists have never had it so good. by sendtwogrey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An interesting consequence of increased entertainment media costs has been more piracy an poorer sales, an even more interesting one is that in the top 100 hundred (music and video) lists, the big studios and their formula products have failed to knock off the independents, who due to increased airplay have never had it so good. Even better real artists have real fans who prefer genuine products rather than pirated copies. Make you wonder who been stealing from who all these years.

  12. Re:Unintended consequences by belmolis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That might be in part because good laws are written so as not to have negative unintended consequences. Good laws sometimes do have negative unintended consequences, but they are quickly revised to deal with them. For example, most people agree that laws against speeding are desirable. If such a law is formulated too broadly, it will make it illegal to speed even in emergencies where the risk from speeding is overshadowed by the emergency. The speeding law can be formulated carefully so as to except emergencies, and if it is written too broadly can be revised. The problem with bad laws like the DMCA is that their proponents either haven't formulated them carefully or do not see the negative consequences as negative and so are happy with the overbroad formulation.

  13. Re:DVDs by Danga · · Score: 2, Informative

    I always thought that there was a legal right to be able to make a copy of a dvd for your own use

    IANAL but I have heard that, yes, we do have this right in the US. The problem is it is legal for us to make a backup copy yet illegal to bypass the encryption of the DVD which of course is needed to be done first to make the legal backup copy. I prefer to make backups and then put the originals away in case something happens to the backup and it is a shame that it is illegal to do that. The only way I will stop making backups is if they come up with a way to make that impossible for me to do and/or if they work out a system that allows damaged discs to be returned for new working copies (which I highly doubt would ever happen). Trading in a damaged disc actually should be something they would agree with since we only buy a license for the content right? I would even be willing to pay a buck or two to cover the cost of making and shipping the disc, of course they would much rather have us repay the full price everytime we lose/damage the discs though which is insane if we aren't allowed to make backups.

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  14. True, but for other things also... by RexRhino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is definitly true that the DMCA has a whole bunch of really terrible unintended consequences. What is sad is that people don't understand that the same applies to any law. Every single law that the government makes, has similiar unintended consequences - because human behavior and society is so complex we can never truly predict how these things are going to work out.

    Geeks tend to understand the terrible effects the DMCA, because that is what Geeks are knowledgable in. If you are an expert in this kind of thing (or at least knowledgable, as most Slashdot people are), you are going to be able to look at it with a more critical eye than the average American. This is our shit, so we know exactly what the deal is.

    But remember, the same thing happens when the government makes a law about terrorism, or illegal drugs, or health care, or the enviornment, or anything else. You might not hear about the same effects the way you hear about the DMCA, but it happens. You support the anti-Terrorism bill, and you don't understand the effect it has on imigrants and their families, or the potential racial-profiling and discrimination it causes. You don't hear about the small family buisnesses that get shut down because they simply don't have the money to comply with some new enviornmental regulation you support. You don't hear about the guy who picks up a hitchhiker, and when they get pulled over by the police, the driver goes to jail for 20 years because the hitchhiker happens to be carrying drugs... you think that tough drug laws are only harming criminals. Or you don't hear about the people who dieing of cancer who can't get a potentially life saving treatment, because the government determines it is "too risky".

    Laws are about a subtle as a sledgehammer. With maybe the exception of small local government, society is just too diverse and too complex to make a law that doesn't have serious side effects. A law is a like a prescription drug, we know it is going to have some negative side effect, but we think the problem is worse than the potential side effect. The DMCA isn't a bad law - it is a typical law. It has the same type of negative effects than any law has.

    The next time you support some new law, remember the DMCA, and remember the same thing is going to happen with that law. That doesn't mean you won't support the law anyway, but it means that like a drug, you need to know what negative effects it might have in order to evaluate the risks.

    But if you think you can make a law that doesn't have significant negative effects on society, you are totally fooling yourself.

  15. unintended? by wardk · · Score: 2, Funny

    seems this obomination of an act is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

    stifle speech -check
    ensure massive litigation -check
    confuse everyone -check
    bad for consumers -check

    so what's the problem?

  16. Re:You can't copyright irony! by SaidinUnleashed · · Score: 2, Informative

    All you have to do to copyright your blog postings is put a claim of copyright and terms of distribution notice at the bottom of your page, then if someone rips your work off, without crediting you, sue their ass. You can even say under what circumstances the work is free to use, and when people would have to pay you.

    All this is in existing copyright law. No need for the DMCA whatsoever.

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  17. Only partly true by Shirotae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The region coding is an issue that deserves to be held up to scrutiny but the part about expiry is rather misleading. Very few of HP's ink cartridges have an expiry mechanism but the article seems to suggest that they all do.

    Just because someone sued it does not automatically mean that the claim has any merit. I am very disappointed that EFF has used such a weak example here, and to make it worse, they go on to say that DMCA has not been used in this case.

    There are plenty of good examples to show the bad effects of DMCA, adding these weak and poorly researched cases just gives ammunition to the other side.

  18. Re:You can't copyright irony! by lmlloyd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before the DMCA (and in fact even after the DMCA, it is just that the DMCA broadened the terms) to have the full protection of copyright law, you either had to file for a copyright with the copyright office, or the work had to be published with the markings you mention (which pre-DMCA did not specifically include the Internet, or any electronic form, but rather published in the sense of having to go through a printing press, and be distributed), in order to be considered a copyrighted piece of work. If you just had some piece of artwork, or a photo, or a script, and were just showing it around your local coffee shop, or had it up on your personal webpage, then you had no guaranteed legal recourse under copyright law, since you could not prove publication, no matter how many little ©s you had on the piece. If you played a little ditty you came up with while sitting at the park, anyone who heard it could steal it, unless you had published sheet music for it. That changed with the DMCA. Copyright was changed to take effect at the moment of creation, not at the moment of publication, and the web and digital files were now considered to be a form of publication as well.

    All of these are huge changes that pretty much made the viability of commercial web pages a reality, and made the situation much better for the proverbial starving artist. Of course, most people talking about the evils of the DMCA aren't professional artists, and so haven't had to deal with the pre-DMCA world where a client could end up owning your work, just because they were the one who paid for the ad where it was first published. In fact, most people railing against the DMCA don't know the first thing about copyright law, because they have never had to deal with it in the slightest. They just know that it is that evil thing that makes your printer cartridges more expensive, and that keeps you from being able to copy your friends software and movies for free.

    The reason I find the bloggers more humorous than everyone else, is because they just take it as a given that everything scribble on their page is their's to do whatever they want with, and don't realize that the only reason they don't have to constantly worry about copyright law, is because the DMCA they hate so much made it so much easier to deal with copyright.

  19. In soviet russia... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    they're laughing at YOU!

  20. Village People? by jonathansizz · · Score: 2, Funny

    D-M-C-A It's fun to get stuck with some D-M-C-A....

  21. where the hell did the EFF get the idea by alizard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    that any of the consequences described in their web page were unintended?

    At least by the corporate legal staffers who presumably actually wrote the bill.

    The real problem here is that organizations like the EFF that are supposed to represent our interests are tax-exempt non-profits.

    If we want the political power to do something about this, we need our own PAC, our equivalent of the NRA or AARP.

    What's going on with telecomm legislation (you heard that the net neutrality bill got killed in committee?) is another example of why we've got to organize to buy our own politicians, not put up with what happens when major corporate interests who don't want real innovation and who don't want the public to find out what's really wrong with their products are the only ones with cash in hand.

    We have the best politicians that money can buy, if we want to be represented, we have to ante up.